"Trade Of The Decade" Still Paying Off For A's
by nocal81 on Oct 22, 2009 12:33 PM PDT
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As evidenced by this informative article the A's-Cardinals trade of a few seasons back is still paying off for the A's. Oakland trade Mark Mulder to St. Louis for Daric Barton, Dan Haren and Kiko Calero in December 2004. in the seasons to follow Mulder has been sidelined by should and rotator cuff injuries while Haren had a couple great seasons for Oakland before heading to Arizona in another deal i will bring up in a bit. Oakland also acquired Kiko Calero, who dominated for the A;s for a season or two, and the enigma that is Daric Barton. This trade in of itself would have ranked in the top 10 of the decade.
But it's the trade that followed which made this the "deal of the decade" After a couple great seasons with Oakland Haren was shipped off to Arizona for a number of players including Carlos Gonzalez, Brett Anderson, Chris Carter, Dana Eveland, Aaron Cunningham and Greg Smith. In retrospect this deal did many things for Oakland. They were later able to send Gonzalez and Smith to Colorado in a package that brought them Matt Holliday. Adding to the continued success of the deal the A's acquired top prospect Brett Wallace for Holliday at the trade deadline this season. But let's look at what the A's have now. Brett Anderson will no doubt be the ace of the staff in 2010 after winning his final 4 starts of the 2009 season, he has electric #1 stuff. While Chris Carter continues to pound the proverbial snot out of the ball at every level and is being compared to Ryan Howard by many minor league scouts.
The end result of the Mark Mulder trade is absolutely amazing for Oakland. By sending Mulder to the Cardinals the A's acquired Daric Barton, Brett Anderson, Chris Carter, Aaron Cunningham and Brett Wallace while having a couple great seasons from Dan Haren and Kiko Calero. Can you name a better trade made in MLB during this decade?
Other Trades That I Think Can Make The List
2000: Blue Jays trade INF- Michael Young to the Rangers for RHP- Esteban Loazia
2001: In a three team deal A's acquire OF- Jermaine Dye from the Royals. Royals acquire INF- Naefi Perez. from the Rockies who acquire OF- Mario Encarnacion, INF- Jose Ortiz and LHP- Todd Belitz from the A's
2003: Pirates acquired OF- Jason Bay and LHP- Oliver Perez from the Padres for OF- Brian Giles
2003: Rangers trade 1B- Adrian Gonzalez and LHP- Chris Young to the Padres for RHP- Adam Eatson and RHP- Akinori Otsuka.
A Complete List Of the best trades of the decade
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That Carlos Beltran/Johnny Damon/Mark Ellis trade was completely out to lunch, too
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by PaulThomas on Oct 22, 2009 12:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean the
Ben Grieve/Roberto Hernandez/Johnny Damon/Mark Ellis trade?
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by whobob on Oct 22, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could be wrong
but i’m pretty sure the A’s acquired Cory Lidle in the deal as well, who had one of the more memorable months of pitching that I can ever remember.
by bloodshot13 on Oct 23, 2009 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We did
Damon, Ellis and Lidle is not a bad return for Grieve. Added to that we picked Swisher with our compensation pick from the Redsox signing Damon. Not bad.
by DeJay on Oct 23, 2009 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if you really want to add all of it up
in terms of what he actually got us,
Ben Grieve = Johnny Damon + Mark Ellis + Cory Lidle + Nick Swisher + Fautino de los Santos + Ryan Sweeney + Gio Gonzalez
Interesting.
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by danmerqury on Oct 23, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, to make it fair, you'd have to put Grieve, Damon, and Swisher on the first side of the equation.
Grieve + Damon + Swisher = Damon + Ellis + Lidle + Swisher + DLS + Sweeney + Gio
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by mikev on Oct 23, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus Angel Berroa too
Not sure if that is a positive or a negative for the Royals though.
by DeJay on Oct 23, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't count if it involves the Royals
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by nevermoor on Oct 22, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're a major league team?
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by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't think you can name any trade from the last 10 years that will have as mucha lasting impact as this one
While the trades you mentioned, as well as the Nathan, Liriano, etc. trade has looked pretty bad for the Giants, this trade has and will continue to have a major impact on many MLB teams. The D Backs, Cards (twice over), and Rockies have all seen major shakeups to their teams from this initial trade, and if Wallace, Anderson, Cunningham or Carter end up turning into superstars, then we will most likely see one or even 2 of them being traded in the years leading up to their free agency.
I know this tangent does nothing but really set up hypotheticals, but in 10 years this trade could continue to have major implications throughout MLB.
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by stranahanahan on Oct 22, 2009 1:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I Never Really Thought About It That Way
But the A’s could continue to see major implications for the original trade in seasons upon seasons down the line. What we may get for Anderson three seasons down the road after he win’s 20 or Carter 5 seasons down the road after he belts 40. And be honest both players are capable of that
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by nocal81 on Oct 22, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never been a fan of using subsequent trades when evaluating previous trades.
To me, trades stand alone for evaluation purposes. By saying the Haren trade made the Mulder trade better, why stop there? Then it stands to reason that the Haren trade, by way of the Mulder trade, made the Mulder draft excellent.
There could be some exceptions if you flip a player a few days or even weeks after acquiring him, but if you’ve used the guy for a couple solid years it’s no longer relevant.
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by UncleLeo on Oct 22, 2009 1:20 PM PDT reply actions 9 recs
my gut tells me no...but my gut is also very hungry...
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by Leopold Bloom on Oct 22, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Further on - the Haren trade, by way of the Mulder trade,
by the way of Mulder draft, made Rich Sparks signing excellent.
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by elcroata on Oct 23, 2009 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how I feel about it
But it seems like it is logical to say “this dollar we spent was turned into 7 through these investments.” It gets convoluted for sure, especially when you have Dan Haren on both sides of the ledger as an acquisition and then a divested property… It’s fun to talk about for sure.
by jeffro on Oct 23, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few not so good ones
Harang + for 2 months of guillen. Of course they did that trade since Dye was always injured. Plus in 03, the wealth of pitching they had w/ harden/duke/harang in AAA
Trading lilly for kielty in a salary dump (to free up extra money to sign foulke which didnt happen)
Jason Arnold and John Ford Griffin not turning into mlb players
by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 22, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Another A's Trade That Stands Out To Me Is
Nick Swisher to the Whitesox for Gio Gonzalez and Ryan Sweeney. Although Swisher by himself doesn’t make it lopsided because he has done major things for the Yankees. He was with the sox for one sub par season who then traded him to the Yankees for Wilson Betimet. If Gonzalez continues to show his stuff this could turn out to be one of the worse trades Kenny Williams has ever made.
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by nocal81 on Oct 22, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
IIRC...
…Harang wasn’t all that highly prohected, and that he’s actually fared far better then anyone expected… though my memory could be failing on that one.
I also seem to recall Beane being very high on Kielty, and had been pursuing him for a couple years, so it wasn’t necessarily a salary dump.
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by UncleLeo on Oct 22, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was meant to be the under Asfan4ever723's post.
In 2008 I was watching a team that was rebuilding. In 2009 I feel like I'm watching a team that just sucks.
by UncleLeo on Oct 22, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by nocal81 on Oct 22, 2009 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all because Kielty hit that fucking homer off Zito in Minnesota that one time :-(
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by mikev on Oct 22, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was at the Coli
Kielty hit a pinch-hit HR that won the game.
Same reason Beane acquired Carlos Pena. He hurt the A’s when with Texas.
Ricardo Rincon was another. He was with Cleveland, and struck out the side on ten or eleven pitches.
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by One won lost won on Oct 22, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it was in Minnesota. I remember it very clearly.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIN/MIN200305270.shtml
everybody knew Zito was gonna throw Kielty a meatball, because it was when Macha was fantastic at leaving him in like 2 batters longer than he should.
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by mikev on Oct 22, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh. I remember that game like the back of my hand
I haven’t been able to avoid mixing metaphors since.
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by Nico on Oct 22, 2009 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only time Peña
hurt the A’s when with Texas was in one blowout game in which Peña added on two more solo homers against our bullpen.
He didn’t play much for Texas. Just September call-ups in 2001, and even then he didn’t start every game.
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by iglew on Oct 23, 2009 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pena
Didn’t he hit a few dingers vs. the A’s this season? It seems like he crushed the ball in Tampa vs. the A’s.
by Colorado Fan on Oct 23, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was only answering the "when with Texas" part.
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by iglew on Oct 23, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's also got FDLS from the Sox and he should be back at full strength in 2010.
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by Eastbayjim on Oct 22, 2009 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Thanks
I completely forgot about him. Has major upside as well. That trade was really really really bad for the sox wasn’t it?
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by nocal81 on Oct 22, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's more that the subsequent dump trade was really really bad for the sox
I’m not sure you can state that as a criticism of the original deal…
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by PaulThomas on Oct 22, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, They just dumped Swisher for almost nothing
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by Eastbayjim on Oct 22, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the main reasons the deal looks so bad
is Sweeney. He’s way outperformed the expectations of a C+ failing OF prospect.
The deal was still a steal at the time, similar to say the Blanton to the Phillies deal. The players the A’s got were all solid and made it a good deal, but it was the throw ins (Spencer, Sweeney) that put it over the top.
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by vignette17 on Oct 22, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And also the fact that Chicago expected Swisher to be their everyday CF. I know he played their sometimes for the A’s, but he is definitely not a ML quality centerfielder.
by bloodshot13 on Oct 23, 2009 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trades that made great futures for the traded A's
Swisher to Sox to the Yankees – WS bound
Blanton to the Philliies – WS winner and 2nd WS bound
Eithier to Dodgers – His play indicates he likes it down there especially in the playoffs this year
Holliday to the Cards – He was a super hero in ST. Louis until that one LF error in the playoffs… he can now be assured of getting a good FA payday
I, personally, am excited to see Swisher and Blanton play against each other in the WS. They were best friends here in Oakland. The rumors last year really affected Blanton during the season with the A’s but good things have happened to him since.
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by Eastbayjim on Oct 22, 2009 1:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a Phillies fan at all, but I'm happy for Blanton.
I always liked him and am glad to see him do well. I was stoked when he hit that HR last year. That’s a great story for his grandkids and something he’ll never forget.
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by UncleLeo on Oct 22, 2009 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a dark horse candidate for greatest A's trade of the decade
Kotsay for Devine.
Kotsay had a very pedestrian 2008 as a stopgap in CF for Atlanta before becoming a backup 1B/OF for BOS and CWS.
Devine meanwhile had a historically astounding 2008 campaign. His 0.59 ERA in 45 innings is the 4th lowest all-time among pitchers with at least 25 innings. His .150 OAV is lower than Eckersley managed during his ‘89-’90 stretch of dominance.
Far too soon to tell, but this has the potential to eclipse the oft-cited Pierzynski-Nathan deal.
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by GoA's on Oct 22, 2009 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember they got Liriano in that trade too
and his first season was pretty brilliant.
by jahs34 on Oct 22, 2009 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good pick
I think Atlanta soured on Devine, because he was brought up and thrown into the fire, and gave up a couple of HRs. Remember, the A’s wanted to dump Kotsay (and to a contender, as Beane tries to do) and had to eat almost all his salary. The fact that Joey Devine was thrown in was more of a courtesy, because the A’s were paying 95%(?? subject to revision) of Kotsay’s salary.
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by One won lost won on Oct 22, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not just a couple of HRs, a couple of grand slams
Joey goes all out when he does something.
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by Nico on Oct 22, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the postseason.
For those who weren’t around then, in his major league debut, Joey Devine entered the game with the score tied … he loaded the bases and gave up a grand slam. Three days later, in his second MLB game, he entered in the 5th inning with the Braves down by 4 with one man on base, so it was somewhat less painful when Devine … loaded the bases and gave up a grand slam.
In spite of this, Devine was kept on the roster for the postseason, and in game 4 of the NLDS, an epic battle against Houston that went so deep into extra innings that in the top of the 16th inning the Astros called Roger Clemens out of the bullpen to pitch on two days rest, the Braves called upon Joey Devine … who gave up a walkoff home run in the 18th that ended Atlanta’s season.
As you might imagine, Joey Devine was not well loved in Atlanta.
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by iglew on Oct 23, 2009 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Devine needed a change of scenery.
Sometimes a guy isn’t working out with a certain organization and he needs to move on to really break out. In such cases, I don’t think it’s sufficient to just look at how the guy did with the new team.
That’s why I’m not as critical of the Carlos Gonzalez trade as many people here. Yes, CarGon became awesome in Colorado, but does that mean he would have been just as awesome in Oakland? I’m not convinced.
Same with Joey Devine in Atlanta. His first season with Atlanta was about as devastating as any relief pitcher ever suffered. I don’t think he ever could have gotten beyond that while in Atlanta.
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by iglew on Oct 23, 2009 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Erik Bedard Trade
The returns are a little early, but the Bedard for Jones, Tillman, and Sherrill (who himself was turned into a couple useful prospects) is up there, especially since that trade was considered absolutely awful at the time. If we’re talking just hindsight, Teixeira to the Braves for Feliz, Andrus, and Salty has to be up there with the Mulder trade.
by swatnick on Oct 22, 2009 10:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The O's swindled the Mariners on that one
Even if Bedard had performed at his 07 levels, it wouldn’t have been worth the price they paid. God I miss Bill Bavasi.
by CapgrasDelusion on Oct 23, 2009 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“And lo, Mulder begat Haren, who begat Anderson. The pitching of the Oakland A’s was secure for another generation and another ALCS. And the Lord saw that it was good.”
by eastbayexpat on Oct 23, 2009 5:35 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
THE BOOK OF GENESIS
Chapter One
1. Fade in on a tenement building stadium on Manhattan Oakland’s Lower East West Side. Faint traffic noise is audible;
2. As is the cry of fishprospectmongers.
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by monkeyball on Oct 23, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this version better.
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by iglew on Oct 23, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Braves nearly destroyed their franchise
Mark Teixeira
For:
Elvus Andrus
Neftali Feliz
Matt Harrison
Beau Jones
Jarred Saltalamacchia
then they turned Tex into Casey Kotchman and Steven Marek, who’s in danger of not having a job next year he’s pretty bad at baseball. The Braves wanted Adenhart as well, which would have…oh never mind. :(
For what they ended up with, the Braves would have been infinitely better off getting the draft picks for Tex, a horrific return.
by PL78 on Oct 23, 2009 11:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah That Was A Horrible Trade
But the long term implications of the Mulder trade is much more and involves so many more teams. But i get what you talking about regarding Tex. I just wonder how many of those 5 players Texas received are going to turn out like Dan Haren, Brett Anderson, Brett Wallace, Carlos Gonzalez or even Chris Carter.
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by nocal81 on Oct 23, 2009 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"long-term implications"
just means that with the Mulder trade, we didn’t keep all our guys and instead flipped some of them for other packages. That means you can have more fun tracing all the paths to current players, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it was a better trade.
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by iglew on Oct 23, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hudson trade wasnt terrible at the time
Hudson durability was in question, with the olbique injuries. Missing that playoff start in boston due to a “bar fight” probably didnt help his reputation some. Meyer was consider one of the more mlb ready, sure thing SP prospects in milb and was thought to have a higher upside than blanton and haren. Werent there also rumors of A’s demanding marcus giles?
A’s were attempting to revamp into a power bullpen w/ dotel, cruz, calero. cruz was highly touted a top 10 milb prospect overall in baseball when w the cubs. Just the A’s luck cruz 1 bad yr the last 5 yrs was with A’s between 04-08 otherwise he’s been a very good reliever
Chucky T was the obvious fluke, but around that time A’s were looking to improve their overalll defense and speed. Yet that team still had a rookie in swisher and byrnes/kielty was still around + kotsay came off a career yr the season before. Likely kotsays impending FA later that yr maybe went into the decision of getting another OF in Thomas.
by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 23, 2009 11:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup. I've always defended the trade on the basis that
given Hudson’s health history and salary, and Meyer’s status as a Haren-level prospect, trading Hudson for Meyer straight up would have been a good trade and the two additions were just gravy.
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by Nico on Oct 25, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah no
pitching prospects are a notoriously unreliable means of recouping value. Furthermore, the two additions were likely to suck.
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by designatedforassignment on Oct 25, 2009 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh. The two trades were pretty frickin similar.
1 Top prospect (Barton, Meyer)
1 pre-arb player (Haren, Thomas)
1 bullpen arm (Calero, Cruz)
Dan Meyer was supposed to be the can’t miss prospect, not Dan Haren. It’s not Billy’s fault that Meyer tried to pitch. Though, it kinda is his fault that he thought Charles Thomas was a legit MLB player and that Juan Cruz wasn’t a complete fucking headcase.
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
by mikev on Oct 26, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and also
Those 2 trades were basically why EVERY potential Zito deal that was ever discussed involved the exact same basic parts, whether it was Kemp/Kershaw/something, or Milledge/Pelfrey/something, etc.
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by mikev on Oct 26, 2009 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "deal of the century" benefitted...?
Here is how the teams mentioned above have fared since the 2004 Mulder trade:
St. Louis: 2006 World Series title, several divisional titles
Arizona: One trip to the NLCS
Colorado: three playoff appearances, including one trip to the WS
Oakland: one trip to ALCS
Again, who got the better of these trades?
by smellofgrass on Oct 24, 2009 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
false
Not sure why include playoff appearance w/ certain teams when the trades had to be completed or irrelevant
Most cards fans will tell you mulder was more of a hinderance than a help to them
Arizona made the playoffs in 07 prior to the haren trade, he was viewed as one of the final pieces to push them over the top. They struggled the last couple seasons, though not haren’s fault
Rockies had 2 playoff appearances, their situation in 08 was worse than A’s
by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 24, 2009 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to what end?
To what end do we make these trades? So we can make other trades or to win?
I would rather get “fleeced” in a trade and make playoff appearances, than fleecing another team but play below .500 ball in three of the five years since the Mulder trade. The title of this post is “Trade of the Decade Still Paying Off.” I’m just not clear who it is paying off for and to what end.
by smellofgrass on Oct 25, 2009 2:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
To the A's for getting great value
Whether that value has turned 70 wins into 76 or 90 wins into 96, or whether it gave the A’s talent to make the team successful in 2006 or 2011, those trades benefited the A’s greatly.
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by Nico on Oct 25, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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