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2010 Community Prospect List - #11

Due to demand, I have removed much of the introductory text from the threads, as well as the stats for those whom have been voted onto the list already, in order to make it easier for people to scroll all the way down.

If you have any cases for prospects, keep them coming!

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For Reference: Scout's Mid-Season Top 50.

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Prospects up for Vote:

Fautino De Los Santos, SP, Age 23
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP
AzA (oak) Rk 7 0-1 3.86 11.2 12 4 16 0 1.37

 

Anthony Capra, SP, Age 22

2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP
STO (oak) A+ 9 2-2 3.12 52 42 21 67 0 1.21
KAN (oak) A 18 4-7 3.24 100 70 40 103 0 1.10

 

Arnold Leon, SP, Age 20

2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP
MID (oak) AA 33 2-3 3.51 74.1 71 28 63 1 1.33

 

Sam Demel, RP, Age - 23

2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP
MID (oak) AA 27 0-2 0.61 29.1 23 9 26 11 1.09
SAC (oak) AAA 28 2-3 3.62 32.1 27 21 33 3 1.48

 

Tyson Ross, SP, Age 22 - Cal Sports Profile Video

2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP
MID (oak) AA 9 5-4 3.96 50 40 20 31 0 1.20
STO (oak) A+ 18 5-6 4.17 86.1 78 33 82 0 1.29

 

Henry Rodriguez, RP, Age 22 - Video

2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP
SAC (oak) AAA 37 2-1 5.77 43.2 38 38 71 4 1.74
STO (oak) A+ 3 0-0 0.00 5 3 1 11 0 0.80

 

Max Stassi, C, Age 18

2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B
VAN (oak) SS 13 .286 .340 .367 0 8 0 3 4

 

Brad Kilby, RP, Age 26 - Video

2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP
OAK MLB 11 1-0 0.53 17.0 10 4 10 0 0.82
SAC (oak) AAA 45 4-2 2.13 63.1 40 24 77 2 1.01

 

 The List Thus Far

A's Community Prospect List

1. Chris Carter, 1B, Age 22 - 76% (of 5) - Video

2. Brett Wallace, 3B, Age 22 - 79% (of 5) - Offense Video  / Defense Video

3. Adrian Cardenas, IF, Age 21 - 75% (of 5) - Video

4. Jemile Weeks, 2B, Age 22 - 36% (of 8) - Video

5. Grant Desme, OF, Age 23 - 29% (of 8) - Video - OmahaHi's case for Grant Desme

6. Grant Green, SS, Age 21 - 32% (of 7) - Video

7. Josh Donaldson, C, Age 23 - 31% (of 7) - Video - DesignatedForAssignment's case for Josh Donaldson

8. Corey Brown, CF, Age 23 - 37% (of 8) - Video

9. Michael Ynoa, SP, Age 17 -  40% (of 8) - Video

10. Sean Doolittle, 1B/OF, Age 22 - 41% (of 8) - Video

 (Bonus video of Rashun Dixon)

 

Upcomming Potential Prospects for Voting (no order):
Mattl Sulentic, OF Anthony Recker, C Shane Peterson, OF Alex Valdez
Dustin Coleman, SS Travis Banwart, SP Matt Spencer, OF Gregorio Petit, SS
Graham Godfrey, SP Robin Rosario, OF Tommy Everidge, 1B
Clayton Mortensen, SP Ronny Morla, SP Wilfredo Solano Joel Galarraga, C
Nino Leyja, 2B Paul Smyth Conner Crumbliss Pedro Figueroade, SP
Rashun Dixon, CF Julio Ramos Daniel Straily
James Simmons, SP Ian Krol, SP Yusuf Carter Ryan Ortiz, SP
Brett Hunter, SP Anthony Huttenlocker Carlos Hernandez, SP Ben Hornbeck, SP
Reynaldo Mateo Tyler Ladendorff Shawn Haviland, SP
Mickey Storey, SP Chris Mederos Jon Meloan Josh Horton, SS
Conner Hoehn Corey Wimberly, UTL Dan Thomas
Josh Leyland, C Justin Souza Andrew Carignan, RP
Jermaine Mitchell, CF Jared Lansford, RP Justin Marks Jason Christian, 3B



If you have a prospect you want to suggest, from this list or not on it, speak up in comments!

Poll
Who is the A's #11 Prospect?
Sam Demel, RP
8 votes
Tyson Ross, SP
35 votes
Arnold Leon, SP
158 votes
Anthony Capra, SP
20 votes
Fautino De Los Santos, SP
40 votes
Max Stassi, C
48 votes
Brad Kilby, RP
16 votes
Henry Rodriguez, RP
19 votes

344 votes | Poll has closed

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i think at some point

justin friend needs to be added to the list

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Oct 21, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, I didn't realize the A's had gotten ANOTHER flameballing, command-challenged righthanded reliever out of the 2007 draft

He’s got to be pretty far down the list, though. Those guys are kind of a dime a dozen.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good call. Another guy I'd like to see on the overall list is Ken Smalley.

I’d probably vote for him somewhere in the low/mid 30s. Guy’s got a low 90s fastball, GB% around 45, and K/9 around 8. He’s also got some real command problems (BB/9 above 4)and will probably end up in the pen, where supposedly he throws a couple ticks faster. I think its between him and Ramos for best-prospect-in-the-Stockton-rotation not named De Los Santos. I’d definitely have him above Haviland and Figueroa, who will be 24.

"When you get that nice celebration coming in the dugout, and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, there's no better feeling than to have that done." -Matt Stairs

by Aufheben on Oct 21, 2009 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Figueroa keeps getting praised by actual scouts, though (BA, Sickels' pals)

There has to be something there, given how hostile that type usually is to “overaged” players.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

also

voted leon

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Oct 21, 2009 8:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think this one is over.

Leon at 78%. Time to move to #12

by RayJEdd on Oct 21, 2009 9:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Lol a little early but it looks that way.

What you fail to understand in your joyless myopia is that baseball is the key to life-- the Rosetta Stone, if you will. If you just understood baseball better all your other questions your, your... the, uh... the aliens, the conspiracies they would all, in their way be answered by the baseball gods.

by winchester5 on Oct 21, 2009 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

can we get some more position players

in there for future rounds? Right now it’s just Stassi.

by colin on Oct 21, 2009 10:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but who?

I tend to agree, but the reason there are no position players left is we voted for nine of them in the top ten.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Oct 21, 2009 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you have a good point

I’m not enough of a prospect watcher to have a good feeling for any of the upcoming guys. I’m basically planning to let other people / Zonis narrow down the list, so that I only have to research the 2-3 most promising people at each step.

So I guess my request is just for the more knowledgeable people to consider, and I’m willing to vote on whatever options they give me.

And it’s not an issue for me this round, because I’ve been voting Leon for quite some time now.

by colin on Oct 21, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I voted Henry. I'd nominate Dixon next...too many pitchers on the list now.

Henry because he has better stuff than anyone other pitcher on the list except a healthy Faustino, and he doesn’t exist any more. No injuries either other than the sports hernia.

I can sort of see the vote for Leon since he’s had some success at AA and in Mexico but the sample size is tiny.

Stassi is a valid option since he’s a catcher, the scouting reports are very good and he had some success in Rookie ball.

A vote for Faustino would require more faith in TJ surgery than I have at this point.

A huge drop after that to any of the others.

I like Hornbeck, Godfrey and Figueroa better than Kilby or Demel, and in the same general range as Capra or Ross. Storey is more interesting than Kilby or Demel to me if you want a reliever with a lottery chance of eventually becoming a starter. In fact, as overrated as I think Simmons and Mortensen are, I’d take either over Kilby or Demel. Krol too.

Of the position players, after Dixon, I’d look at Peterson followed by Leyja and Leyland.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Oct 21, 2009 10:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure I'd put Godfrey is my top 40...

With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery

by mikeA on Oct 21, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The sample size is tiny?

He has like 200 pro innings at this point and basically has struck out a batter an inning throughout.

He played (and put up great numbers) in the Mexican Winter League for a couple of seasons, which won’t show up in the Cube’s records.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can we get Dusty Coleman on the list soon.

I might want to vote for him soon, particularly knowing that he was playing injured.

"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau

by King Richard on Oct 21, 2009 10:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Coleman would be third for me

After capra and Leon

"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Oct 21, 2009 11:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Remind me what you like about Capra, DFA.

I’m not really sure where my vote will be going next, and I’ve noticed that my estimation of prospects often aligns pretty closely with yours.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Oct 21, 2009 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

K rate

He has two above average offspeed pitchs, a plus change up and a above average to plus improving curve ball. He’s pitched deep into games so we have a better idea that he will be able to pitch deep into games moving forward and won’t fall apart the 3rd time through the line up. Concerns with him would include a walk rate that is bordering high and as a fly ball pitcher home runs happen, which you would prefer to not come after a walk. However I think the k rate and improvement since college and the low number of collegiate miles on his arm indicate future success.

"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT

There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Oct 22, 2009 4:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Clearly the next position player on the list. My position player ranking goes like so:

Coleman
Stassi
Ortiz (who is not a starting pitcher, BTW, Zonis— might want to correct that one)
Solano

That’ll take us to the mid-20s, at which point I’ll have to cogitate over whether Dixon, Sulentic or Peterson is a better outfield prospect.

Also, speaking of position players, some people have spoken well of Michael Spina, so he might be an option around #30-35.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Jason Christian a lost cause at this point?

we in the losin baseball binness. and cousin, binness is a boomin.

by walk off bunt on Oct 21, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I definitely wouldn't go that far

He struggled this season, for sure, but he’s a youngish college guy (turned 22 right around the midseason mark) and I’d certainly wait one more season before writing him off. The MWL can be a tough place to play for hitters.

He did do a good job of getting his K rate in line this season. Probably in that 25-35 range.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You would rate Peterson/Sulentic ahead of Spencer?

I can see how Peterson would get the nod cause of his age, but I’m thinking that Spencer’s defense would have to be truly terrible to rank him below Sulentic, which may very well be the case.

"When you get that nice celebration coming in the dugout, and you're getting your ass hammered by guys, there's no better feeling than to have that done." -Matt Stairs

by Aufheben on Oct 21, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I just forgot about him

See below. I was just doing a quick scan of the position players and he wasn’t on the list.

I will say that I’m confused by arguing for Peterson based on age when there’s all of a four month age difference between the two. Sulentic has more pro experience, but he’s not more physically developed.

Frankly I’m having a devil of a time telling those two guys apart in any significant way at this point. Their hitting lines this year are virtually mirror images. Good average, too many strikeouts, not enough walks, not much power. Sulentic ran more but it’s not clear that was even a good idea (21/30 in steals).

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paul, and others, looking to debate on position players:

My next position player is Stassi. He may be my vote on #12, even. (This is consistent with my theory of preferring a guy with no negative statline and high upside in situations when there’s an available option that projects as a surefire ML SP or starting position player).

But before I commit, I’m willing to be convinced:

a.) Why should I vote for Dusty Coleman ahead of him, despite disappointing hitting numbers in A ball?
b.) Why should I vote for a reliever prospect over a guy who’s upside is still “starting-quality major league catcher” or even “Kurt Suzuki-quality major league catcher” (i.e., top 10 in the game?)

My view is that Stassi is the last unranked position player in our system who still has the potential to be a starting position player in MLB. Every other guy down that list – Coleman, Sulentic, Mitchell, all of ’em – none of those guys are future starting-caliber position players in my view.

Thus, my current plan is to pick Stassi in the next few picks and then resort to filling in the reliever brigade for picks #13-18ish. Clearly if Stassi were to hit his potential he is far more valuable than a middle-innings reliever would be.

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by notsellingjeans on Oct 21, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think there's any question but that Coleman has the potential to be a starting-caliber position player

He has good power, decent speed and is reportedly a pretty respectable shortstop. His 90th percentile outcome is something like J.J. Hardy (non-2009 version).

Looking at his stats from this season is kind of problematic because, as reported, he had a wrist injury which destroyed what was (up until then) a very strong season. Wrist injuries really fuck up players’ power (not a coincidence that he hit 8 HR in a matter of weeks and then only 1 the entire rest of the season) and it seems to have damaged whatever progress he was making toward lowering his strikeout rate too(contact hitting is unquestionably the most problematic aspect of him as a player).

At the very least, he’s no worse a prospect now than Grant Desme was one year ago.

Now, comparing him to Stassi. Stassi is reportedly a first-round talent. But the problem with that is that he’s a high school catcher. I view “first-round” high school catchers as maybe the equivalent of 3rd or 4th round college players, if that. They’re just an awful, awful bet. Stassi might have the fielding chops to play the infield, but I’m troubled in that respect by his “”http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:Keu57I-KFSAJ:mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/reports.jsp%3Fcontent%3Dstassi+max+stassi+scouting+report&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari" target="new">below-average" speed and average arm. (Although it’s not clear whether they mean average for the position or average in general— catchers typically have very strong arms.) There’s no way at this point to tell what kind of hitter he’ll be— for all we know, he’s the next Kyle Skipworth.

I think you can make a plausible case for ranking Ryan Ortiz in front of him; I don’t know if I’m willing to quite go that far, but I’m really a fan of what Ortiz did in college and in his pro sample to date. Power, reasonable whiff rate, terrific plate discipline— I’m willing to defer to Stassi’s signing bonus for now, but it’s not going to take a lot next season from Ortiz to put him higher than Stassi on my rankings.

My view is that Stassi is the last unranked position player in our system who still has the potential to be a starting position player in MLB.

Surely you can’t mean this literally. I mean, at the very least, guys like Wilfredo Solano and Robin Rosario (not to mention Dixon) are so young that there’s no way to know for sure what their ultimate potential is. The A’s certainly paid Solano like a guy who has potential to be a starting position player in MLB. (Rosario’s a bit of an odd case because I think he might actually have more ultimate potential as a pitcher than as a position player, but either way he’s clearly too inexperienced to write off.)

Why should I vote for a reliever prospect over a guy who’s upside is still "starting-quality major league catcher" or even "Kurt Suzuki-quality major league catcher" (i.e., top 10 in the game?)

I don’t think you should. Kilby and Demel are the top relief prospects, or maybe Storey, and I don’t think any of them are realistically options before #20 or so. The starters are just more useful (although I suppose you could rank Storey up on spec that the team might reconvert him into a starter if you were really feeling chippy).

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I blew that link

Paste it into your browser, I guess. Or just google “Max Stassi scouting report.”

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where'd you hear this?
Rosario’s a bit of an odd case because I think he might actually have more ultimate potential as a pitcher than as a position player.

I didn’t know Rosario had that good an arm. Where do you get info on guys like Rosario? Scout membership? All I know is he was the highest paid LA signee for the A’s besides Ynoa.

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by vignette17 on Oct 21, 2009 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Solano, now

I don’t remember exactly where I read it (I don’t have a Scout membership, but it might have been in one of their free pieces), but Rosario’s arm supposedly grades as a potential 70 (plus-plus) on the “scouting scale.” Outfielders with those kinds of arms can almost always hit legitimate MLB-level velocities on the mound.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would like to see Mortensen

After Leon wins I’ll probably go FDLS, Ross, Capra, then probably Mort.

by bloodshot13 on Oct 21, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see

Hornbeck, Storey, Coleman, Simmons, Sulentic, and Krol.

With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery

by mikeA on Oct 21, 2009 11:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

and Peterson

With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery

by mikeA on Oct 21, 2009 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Yeah, these names all look good.

"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau

by King Richard on Oct 21, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My suggestions for who should be added to the list of choices:

Matthew Spencer – His age and stats put him right behind Brown and Desme. Needs to take more walks but it did look like he made some improvements in Midland. Not sure about his defense. Anyone want to tell me why we don’t talk about him more? The numbers look ok.

Tommy Everidge – He may never make it in the bigs but he did reach that level which is more than some of these guys will. And his AAA stats are just silly. Also has shown improvement in the last year so there is at least hope it continues. His age is the real problem but stranger things have happened. I don’t think he makes it with the A’s but I could see him getting traded or just given to a team like the Giants who would find him useful. I think he would hit ok in the NL.

Did Andrew Cargnan get hurt? What is his current status?

by DrDoom on Oct 21, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Carignan blew out his shoulder, briefly tried to come back, then was shut down again

Not good.

I forgot about Spencer above. He seems to have somehow disappeared from the list of “possible voting targets”. He seems to be a decent corner outfielder or first baseman, but that’s still a big hit to the value of his bat. I think he’s going to struggle to put up the .800 OPS or so he’d need to be a league-average player. .750 wouldn’t surprise me but that puts him in the “fringy starter at best” range of value. I think he comes in below the four players I alluded to above.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spencer is a bit enigmatic

because his upside is really as a league average to slightly above corner outfielder or first baseman, which isn’t really anything to write home about, but since most of the casual fan evaluation of a prospect is based on un-meddled with offensive stats (face it, most of us look at OBP and SLG and OPS first, and those numbers leave impressions), it’s easy to see his stats and think, “hmmmmmm, that would be helpful to a team!”

It just shows how important positional adjustment is. It’s one of the interesting things in evaluating baseball statistics, how much variation in value there can be between two players with equal offensive statistics.

For what it’s worth I think he has a fairly high floor, considering his decent K %. As in his flameout percentage seems relatively low, but then again “fringy-starter” 1Bmen are just not that valuable.

Spencer has, like many prospects, one particular aspect of his game which if he could figure out, he could become a major prospect. His is his BB rate, which has been unfortunately low throughout most of his minor league career. If (and there’s no reason to assume he will), he could figure out how to take more pitches out of the zone, he could put up some strong numbers which makes him a Sleeper candidate.

But I don’t think he rates as above 25 at best at this point in time.

"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau

by King Richard on Oct 21, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he would have to be ahead of Peterson and Sulentic unless his defense is terrible

But we are at the point where almost all these guys are fringe MLB level so position adjustments probably mean the difference between making it and not making it, so I don’t disagree with your list.

What do we know about Solano? He is 16 and a switch hitting SS. Is that alone what we base this on?

by DrDoom on Oct 21, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He got buku bucks

and was considered one of the top 10 international players in his age class.

Should be enough to take him into the top 20 or so. He’s not as good a pure hitting prospect as Sano, but he’s almost certainly a better defender.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Almost forgot

Can we get Blake Crosby on the list? I’d hate to see his daddy’s feelings get hurt.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Oct 21, 2009 12:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Does Ed count as a prospect...?

"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau

by King Richard on Oct 21, 2009 1:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like my guy will finally get on the list

I’m not sure of who to vote for anymore.

we in the losin baseball binness. and cousin, binness is a boomin.

by walk off bunt on Oct 21, 2009 12:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't he write his thesis on the surplus value of draft prospects?

He probably knows more about this stuff than half the people here.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've not read it

but I believe it’s something like that

by bobnothing on Oct 21, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

matt sulentic is my choice

I think he’s underrated and being penalized for a bad season 2 yrs ago, but there seem to still be skeptics. I project him to be a chase utley type hitter but w/ less power. He’s made improvements w/ speed, athleticism, defense, etc. Plus to do fairly well in the cal/tx league at age 21/22 shows the maturity and bounce back attitude after falling off the prospect radar in 07. He will be the high riser on prospect lists in 2010 among A’s prospects IMO.

by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 21, 2009 3:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I really wish the A's would try him at 2b

Sulentic was drafted as 2b/OF and that was when he was drawing the Utley comps. He probably can’t hit enough for a good fielding COF. Scouts thought he might stick at 2b. Why not increase his positional adjustment by around 10 runs? Perhaps Sulentic can make the conversion back.

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by vignette17 on Oct 21, 2009 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They did try him at 2B

He failed miserably, from what I recall.

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by mikev on Oct 21, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

really bad k to walk ratio though

When you K a ton and don’t have power, that’s not a good sign.

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by notsellingjeans on Oct 21, 2009 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He does seem to have a genuine ability to hit for a high BABIP at this point

Maybe he’s just really good at hitting line drives. He might be that rarity who’s able to sustain a .280-.300 batting average despite striking out at above-average rates.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still trying to wrap my head around his babip

After two full seasons of very high babip it becomes harder to write it off as a fluke, but I can’t really justify it logically. He’s shown decent speed but not enough to think he has an Ichiro-like ability to get hits on grounders for a sustainable high babip. I guess he could just have really good hand-eye coordination which allows him to consistently square up the ball and he just lacks the power to hit HR’s, but it seems to me if he had this exceptional “line drive abilty” he wouldn’t strike out so much.

I’m still not a big fan of Sulentic as I tend to lean towards the fluke explanation but at this point I’m open to being swayed. Hopefully once we get near the twenties there will be some good arguments around Sulentic.

by DiegoAsFan on Oct 21, 2009 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was emphatically in the "fluke" camp last offseason

At this point the evidence is becoming a bit harder to deny.

There are some players who aren’t super-fast (or super-powerful) yet produce consistently high BABIP. Michael Young is the example that comes immediately to mind.

I agree that he’s not close to being relevant at this point in the prospect list, tho.

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It's just one of those things, one of those things
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by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The K rate still concerns me

I mean Michael Young K’s around 15 to 16% of his AB’s, Sulentic’s K rates during his last two years was 26.5% and 24.9%. I can’t imagine he has the ability to make good contact consistently when he completely fails at such a high rate.

Not to mention that his lines the last couple years are barely passable at a corner outfield spot and he had to BABIP .399 and .370 to put those up. He has to be some sort of BABIP magician to be a useful player in my opinion. Not that you were arguing he was a good prospect, just that looking at his numbers reminded me of why I am so skeptical on him.

by DiegoAsFan on Oct 21, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hypothesis

If a player could consistently square up fastballs but was totally hopeless with breaking pitches it might produce those numbers (high strikeouts, high BABIP).

by DDroney on Oct 21, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand why that would be the case

Wouldn’t pitchers just stop throwing him fastballs?

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
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In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think perhaps the idea is that he can't hit good breaking pitches

so he strikes out a ton against pitchers with good breaking pitches, and hits the other ones. But that doesn’t really tell us much, since most hitters have trouble with good pitches.

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by King Richard on Oct 21, 2009 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point, but how many minor league pitchers can consistently hit the strike zone with their off-speed pitches?

In any case, I just checked out his numbers on minorleagesplits and he doesn’t have an exceptionally high LD% so that hypothesis doesn’t really make sense.

by DDroney on Oct 21, 2009 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't put much stock in that

LD rates aren’t even consistent from park to park at the major league level. In the minors, their reliability is incredibly suspect.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 22, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Michael Spina

should be added to the upcoming list

by OaklandAsDieHard on Oct 21, 2009 3:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay here we go

(pulls name from a hat)….I’m voting for Arnold Leon

by sirbed on Oct 21, 2009 3:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hate to suggest Mickey Storey again

But this guy seems to have that tattoo of “I’m not a golden boy” in the system and had to fight his way back to respectability. But I guess it’s OK to ignore a guy who struck out 71 in 51 2/3 innings while only walking 8, at four levels of the system (KC-STO-MID-SAC).

Maybe the .68 WHIP wasn’t good enough?

Still can’t find much evidence that he’s being converted to a starter though. So far in the AFL he’s been in relief and sits at 2IP/4K/O BB/1 hit/0.00 ERA. Struck out 4 in two innings against THE Peoria Saguaros this past Monday night.

AZ Fall League 2009 stats

by Mark H on Oct 21, 2009 4:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oops

His line is now 4IP/6K/1BB/1hit/0.00 ERA.

by Mark H on Oct 21, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Filthy

Yeah, thinking about it more, he’s clearly the top RP prospect in the system at this point. I don’t care how fast his fastball is— whatever the hell he’s throwing up there, no one at all can put a bat on it. And he pounds the zone, too.

Could be a Duchscherer-type player.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good to see your endorsement, PT

I just find it odd that the first 10 are all offense with the exception of a somewhat mysterious 17 year-old who didn’t pitch this year. The next 10 look to be pitchers, with the exception of a catcher who played 13 games. Are our top 10 pitching prospects really less valuable than our top 10 hitting prospects?

Mostly I’m sick of pretty boys who waltz right into starting roles based on early assessments of talent. Bobby Crosby anyone? Someone mentioned Prieto above. Would anyone like my Ben Grieve card with partial wet glass ring slashing right through his crotch? Yes, there is physical evidence of it being used as a coaster.

Then again I was really behind Eric Hiljus too.

by Mark H on Oct 21, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, part of what's going on here

is that there was what a biologist would call selective pressure on the pitching side of the team’s prospect zoo.

The other part is that, in terms of high-level prospects, pitchers really ARE less valuable than hitters, and the reverse is true at the lower levels. Pitchers are just less predictable, and that’s an inescapable fact of prospecting.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Makes sense

Still looks funny…

by Mark H on Oct 21, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't read too much into not starting in the AFL

Teams like to be cautious with pitchers this late in the year. Very few pitchers are getting a lot of innings in the AFL. Most starters pitch only 2-3 innings at a time. Considering Storey’s pitched all year, I think the A’s would wait until next year if they’re gonna start him.

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by vignette17 on Oct 21, 2009 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah

That’s probably why mega-hyped-but-probably-deserves-it Stephen Strasburg only pitched 3.1 innings in his start for the Devil Dogs last week.

by Mark H on Oct 21, 2009 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

storey

2005 BA freshman all american, with doolittle and brown

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/college/050629froshaa.html

preseason in 08 BA ranked him the #1 draft eligible player in the sun belt conference, but his injury dropped him in the draft.

by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 21, 2009 4:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Leake

He likely wouldve been the A’s pick if he fell to their spot. Stuff might be very james simmons like w/ a better breaking ball

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by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 21, 2009 4:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Leon

Looks like next round I’ll finally be voting for someone else for the first time in 5 or so rounds. I should start thinking about that vote now…

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by Helloooo 1st on Oct 21, 2009 5:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Lots of hopes and dreams after Stassi

  Stassi is only 18 and already had a taste of minor leagues but after that none of the rest have more than a 50/50 chance of having a cup of coffee in the majors. I have more faith in the pitching since look at how nobody would have thought Bailey to make staff out of spring. We do need to add Simmons on that he was high draft pick and the A’s are still high on him.

by Arcman on Oct 21, 2009 5:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Stassi has less than a 50/50 chance of a cup of coffee

I’d be willing to bet Sulentic, Spencer, and Peterson will at least get a shot at the MLB level. They’ll all see some time at AAA next year and without a career ending injury will eventually get a shot or two at the next level. Whether they’ll stick is another matter.

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by vignette17 on Oct 21, 2009 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure about those 3

  The problem is they all play the outfield. Outfielders are dime a dozen and known has shown to be special and on top of that they already have 2 outfielders ahead of them in the organization. They need to add some power next year.

by Arcman on Oct 21, 2009 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

leon

If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.

by 9Custs on Oct 21, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't believe FDS isn't already voted into the top 10

To my mind Doolittle is, very best case a 270/330/450 type guy — in other words a starting firstbaseman or corner outfielder on a non-contending offensive team.
FDS, by all the accounts I’ve ever read, is, best case, a #1 or #2 starter on a contending pitching staff. Next spring won’t he be almost 2 years past TJ surgery?
While I’m a huge believer in data and statistical analysis, it seems like voting is being heavily skewed by what people did this past summer, rather than what they’re capable of doing for the rest of their careers. And for FDS, in an admittedly teen tiny sample size this past summer, he had a 4:1 K:BB ratio and whiffed 12+ per 9 innings in Arizona — which only tells me that he hasn’t clearly lost the stuff he used to have when so many of us thought the Swisher deal was a F***in’ A trade for us.
What gives AN?

by branch rickey on Oct 21, 2009 7:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If FDLS was healthy all year....

he probably would have been 3 or 4 on the list. But he wasn’t, so he’s not.

Doolittle only had 116 PAs in 2009. It’s hard to say much from that sample except to judge whether his health will be an issue. So I don’t know how you can claim that people are looking at his 2009 alone for him. If they are, obviously that would be a problem.

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by vignette17 on Oct 21, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ynoa wasn't healthy either.

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by mikev on Oct 22, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slight difference between the two though.

It seems like the A’s are just being ultra cautious with Ynoa. DLS actually had to have TJ.

by DeJay on Oct 23, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe it’s the fact that next year he will be 24, and he will have never pitched about A+ (where he has less than 50 inn.)

by skalordes on Oct 21, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not Doolittle's best case... that's like his 70th percentile...

BPro’s Peak Translation of his current season numbers puts him at .283/.387/.547. Pound of salt, natch, especially given the small sample, but hitters who are 22 in AAA and show any kind of power get a lot of love from me.

DLS would probably be on the list by now if he didn’t keep getting shut down with residual arm soreness.

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be interested in seeing BPro's Peak translation pre-09

Doolittle simply didn’t get enough PAs in 2009 to truly convince me it’s his true talent (same for his AA stats last year). Do they provide some information? Of course. But you would need to normalize heavily.

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by vignette17 on Oct 21, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be interested in seeing it too, if I had any idea where to find it...

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 21, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Josh horton

 I think this guy has a chance than most. Considering currenty in the upper levels there’s no competition at his position blocking him. Unless they suddenly fast track green or petit finally starts hitting. He could be an ideal #2 hitter w/ solid tools across the board. Maybe an mlb comparison could be adam kennedy type hitter

by Asfan4ever723 on Oct 21, 2009 8:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Scouts don't like his defense, totalzone hates his defense, and there's no way he hits enough to make that up

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by mikeA on Oct 21, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, so by "Adam Kennedy type" we mean 2009 Adam Kennedy then.

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by iglew on Oct 22, 2009 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I voted DLS over Leon

One has health questions (which is not to be soft-pedaled — it’s like an ump having only one flaw but it’s that he’s legally blind), but Leon is also not assured of even winding up as a starting pitcher. He might, but he might not.

And really health (i.e., recovery) is the only thing against DLS, who was, pre TJ-surgery, a potential #1-#2 starter prospect. Recovery from TJ-surgery is no sure thing, but it has been “very successful” often enough that it’s far from a long-shot.

I think Leon’s a good call for this group, but I think DLS is a better one, personally.

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by Nico on Oct 21, 2009 9:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Age and level of competition are two HUGE factors in Leon's favor

Age may not be too much of a problem for DLS given his major league stuff (assuming he still has that same stuff after TJS) but level of competition certainly is. FDLS has seen only a little A+ ball. Leon has pitched in the Mexican League (equiv. of AA/AAA) and AA and succeeded.

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by vignette17 on Oct 21, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tend not to factor age in as much for DLS

because he didn’t lose 2 years to stalling or ineffectiveness, just to “Hang on, you can’t pitch for 18 months.” He either picks up where he left off or doesn’t. If he does, he’s a top 10 prospect; if he doesn’t, well then, oops.

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by Nico on Oct 22, 2009 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did too

I’m riding the DLS train until it reaches the station.

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by nevermoor on Oct 22, 2009 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WELL CATCH HIM, DAMMIT.

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by mikev on Oct 22, 2009 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm on the Leon bandwagon this round.

First time I’ve voted pitcher this year, but there’s not much else out there at this stage. Of the pitchers he looks most promising to me.

I’m tentatively leaning toward Ross for next time, but I’m interested in hearing opinions on whether FDLS’s injury is less of an uncertainty than Ross’s weird delivery and shorter history.

I’m distrustful of anyone who hasn’t reached AA yet, and I don’t much care for relief pitchers at all, so I can’t get excited about any of the other pitchers currently on the list.

I love guys who can play a defensive position tolerably well, so I can see Coleman and Stassi on my horizon pretty soon, but not quite yet.

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by iglew on Oct 22, 2009 12:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Capra for me

He has great K rates a plus change and an improving above average curveball. He has pitched deeper in games than Leon and has strong #3/ weak #2 potential. That coupled with the fact that he has never pitched in the bullpen makes me more willing to vote for him.

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by designatedforassignment on Oct 22, 2009 9:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Voted Capra as well.

I like Leon, but his innings count is nowhere near that of Capra’s, suggesting he won’t be ready for a while. And a lot can go wrong in a while.

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by travdog6 on Oct 22, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He should be ready in two years or so

get him up to 110 next year and then 140 or so the year after. His WB experience suggests that maybe they can push him a little more aggressively.

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There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Oct 22, 2009 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

His WB experience

Wait, Leon appeared in angsty, yet vapid teenage dramas with insufferably unrealistic and stilted dialogue?

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 22, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you need to conside ARL

most of the actors who play teenagers in those shows are actually in their thirties

by colin on Oct 22, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DAWESON'S CREEK WAS A QUALITY FUCKING SHOW.

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Oct 22, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like, a show about...

Wait they showed that on WB?

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by mikev on Oct 22, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno actually.

I’ve watched the WB before. And I’ve watched Daweson’s Creek before (goodbye manhood). They just seemed like a good match. Plus I was blanking on other crappy WB shows.

Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM

by travdog6 on Oct 22, 2009 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's Dawson's Creek I believe

And (goodbye to my manhood as well) I believe WB shows such classy shows as One Tree Hill. You know, that show where the boyfriend in girlfriend are engaged. In high school. I learned all that from one episode so I’ll take my bow and leave.

Back to baseball.

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by Helloooo 1st on Oct 22, 2009 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The other classic WB show was Felicity

I wouldn’t call it crappy, though. I loved Felicity, and Dawson’s Creek, too.

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by iglew on Oct 22, 2009 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and Buffy, of course.

Buffy started on the WB, but later moved to UPN. (Ditto for Roswell.)

Other classic WB shows: Charmed, Seventh Heaven, Smallville, Gilmore Girls.

Good times.

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by iglew on Oct 22, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you'd have to pay me a legitimate salary to watch those shows

Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving

by PaulThomas on Oct 22, 2009 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

De gustibus non est disputandum

I haven’t watched all the shows mentioned, but in general I love that classic WB style.

I’d much rather watch a bunch of Dawson’s Creek reruns than any of the edgy contemporary shows that everyone here raves about on the DLDs.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Oct 23, 2009 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

what part of

de gustibus non est disputandum don’t you understand?

by colin on Oct 23, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's at least one good reason to go to law school.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Oct 23, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least it wasn't the CW right?

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There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"

by designatedforassignment on Oct 22, 2009 7:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I can't see anyone catching Leon

But with Stassi, DLS and Ross on 12%, 11% and 10% the next vote should be interesting. Shall we just call it and move onto the next round?

by DeJay on Oct 23, 2009 12:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I wonder how much mileage Stassi gets out of

being the only non-pitcher on the list. That alone seems like a good reason to get some other non-P on the ballot. Maybe Coleman. Or Spencer.

"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan

by iglew on Oct 23, 2009 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You may be right

Coleman would be the next hitter on my list, although I would still take Stassi over him. I am still not convinced about Spencer – with his walk rate I am a bit concerned he could be found out as he moves up the system. I think I would also consider adding Shane Peterson to the list very soon.

by DeJay on Oct 23, 2009 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs


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