Arizona Fall League Update 10/19
by asyouwish33 on Oct 19, 2009 11:00 AM PDT
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Hey there everyone. Just thought I would share some updates regarding a few of our boys down in Arizona. Things are looking pretty good so far...Let's hope that it lasts.
Through the first 5 games of the season, the Desert Dogs are 4-1, thanks to some pretty good hitting outfielders...
Hitting:
Grant Desme OF: 6-16, 3 R, 2B, 2 HR, 4 RBI, 3 BB, 8 K, .375 BA Still striking out, but still love the power.
Corey Brown OF: 6-17, 2 R, HR, 3 RBI, 2 BB, 4 K .353 BA Solid!
Jemile Weeks 2B: 3-14, 2 R, 2 2B, RBI, BB, 3 K, SB, .214 BA Not concerned about slow start.
Pitching:
Storey: 2 IP, BB, 2K Will be pitching for Sacramento at some point next year. Will be interesting to see how quickly he moves.
Friend: 1.1 IP, H, 2 R, ER, BB, 2K 6.75 ERA
Demel: 1.2 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, BB, 2 K, 10.80 ERA
Simmons: 3 IP, 2 H, 2 BB, 2 K Article from game reports that Simmons is working on an out pitch. It seems as if he can two strikes on anybody most of the time, but has difficulty putting them away. He is working on a cutter as well as trying to have a harder break on his curve-ball. Right now, his hook is just too loopy. Let's hope he finds that cutter, it worked for that other young kid we have, what's his name, ohh yea, the ROY Bailey.
I'll try and update this every several days. I'm excited about our hitters in the AFL and really just interested in Storey and Simmon's development when it comes to pitching as the fall continues on.
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thanks...
would’t hurt to track Carter in the Mexican League:
AVG = .214
OBP = .267
SLG = .679
OPS = .945
HR = 4
BB/K = 2/14
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by athleticsBB4life on Oct 19, 2009 11:34 AM PDT reply actions
I'm just guessing here...
but it looks like in 25 PAs, Carter has done something other than strike out or hit a home run in exactly 5 of them.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Desme is in the same boat
his TTO fraction is 0.684… and of his 6 balls in play, 4 have gone for hits.
.267 is 4/15
so I’m assuming Carter’s PA are a multiple of 15 — specifically that his OBP is 8/30, his BA 6/28 (.214) plus the 2 walks. One of the perks of being a former play-by-play guy is seeing percentages like .214 and .267 and being a “human calculator” for what those translate to!
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Looking forward to keeping up with the AFL
I’m especially interested in watching Brown and Desme, two outfielders with very similar skill sets getting a chance to play at the same level. Can’t draw too many conclusions based on the small sample size of the AFL but it should still make for interesting comparisons to see them perform side by side.
Carter
I noticed Carter is playing 1B in the Mexican League. Should he be perfecting first base, or should he be working on the outfield as an alternative skill set?
He's listed as an infielder, but he played both LF and 1B in the game on Saturday
Looking at games played for all the players on Guasave, it seems like some players are playing multiple positions. I don’t know how to find box scores for all the games, so I can’t tell how much carter is playing at each position.
Anyone else notice that Wes Bankston is listed as 3B for the same team, where he’s made 3 errors?
okay, I checked the box scores
You’re right, he’s played almost exclusively 1B. Really odd.
A's wanted Carter to play LF
But apparently his Mexico team is not cooperating thus far. Carter’s bat will earn him a place in A’s starting lineup soon but it would be kind of sad if we had to turn him into a full-time DH at the age of 23. I don’t see any future for him at 1B with us, we have plenty organizational options there who can actually field groundballs, so that leaves LF.
he should be continuing to work on handling those curveballs
or it won’t matter what position he plays…
"I saw a curveball, that’s about it," Rangers’ manager Ron Washington said. "You can’t take anything away from the kid; he went seven innings, but it wasn’t any shutout stuff." - Ron Washington on Gio's performance and the 7 k's.
Agreed,
and good thing that’s what the Mexican League is for.
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 20, 2009 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Did the quick wOBA numbers (based on Inside the Book)
Desme-.543
Brown-.359
Carter-.379
These are based on the up-to-date numbers from milb.com.
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by nobodyinparticular on Oct 19, 2009 6:54 PM PDT reply actions
Today
Weeks: 0-5, K
Desme: 3-5, 2B, 0 K
Brown: 0-4, BB, 3 K
Friend: 2 IP, 0H 0BB, 2K
Storey: 2 IP, 1H, 0BB, 4K.
Storey’s 6:1 K/BB in 4IP is not up to the standard he set the rest of the year…
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Wow, it's like Desme heard all the arguments on AN about ranking him at #5
and decided right then and there to shut us all up. 0 K’s? Great to see.
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just seems strange
that a guy not striking out in a day’s at-bats is a big deal. i remain skeptical for now, but as always, hope the guy is great.
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plus he's K'd 8 times to go with 3 walks, so far
You really can’t read too far into these numbers. Suffice it to say that he’s hit well in his 5 games of AFL.
I wouldn't say he has hit well
the point isn’t to launch hr in thin air against pitchers that are generally less heralded prospects than the hitters they face. The point ins to improve the thing that is going to keep you from being a major leaguer. Desme is wiffing far too often.
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by designatedforassignment on Oct 20, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that's overly harsh
You can’t draw any real conclusions from 6 games but I thnk it’s safe to say .423/.483/.846 is “hitting well” even with a 30% k-rate. Arizona doesn’t have the top pitchers but their certainly of higher quality than what Desme has been facing in A ball. He has taken another step up in competition and has continued to have success in the same way.
Obviously he still has work to do with his contact rate, and 6 games doesn’t hardly tell how he is doing. But he is hitting the ball hard when he does make contact and is K’ing about the same rate as he had. In a league with top hitters who are generally more advanced than Desme he is 7th in OPS, I think “hit well” is a safe conclusion.
Again pretty much the only thing I care about from the AFL is the K rate
The problem with Desme is that if he improves at every level so that his K rate remains constant he would be in the top ten k rate in the entire MLB. To sustain that kind of k rates you have to be supremely talented, which im not convinced Desme is.
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There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 22, 2009 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Out of curiosity
What about Carter’s K rate? Is it just that his came down a bit and is now within an acceptable range for you? I think both Carter and Desme could run into the too many K’s to maintain their BA issue in AAA or the majors but that doesn’t mean we can’t be hopeful.
What I think we have learned is that Desme’s power is legit. I don’t know if we knew that at the start of or even midway through the year. For that alone he deserves some attention. And the speed doesn’t hurt.
Do you still have Brown significantly ahead of Desme? Any change at all in your opinion? Will be interesting to see them both in big league camp next year.
Obviously Carter's Ks aren't good.
last year I thought that Carter’s ability to hit for average was being under rated partially due to the adjustment for luck factor at minorleaguesplits showing that he should have hit in the mid 280s at the time, which was in line with his career BA at the time. I think that Carter has the patience and contact ability to be much much better than Desme. 3 to 1 K:BB rates are great if your a pitcher, but not if you are a hitter. If you park and luck Desme’s stats they look a whole lot worse.
The AFL is a tiny tiny sample size. I had Brown ahead of Desme before the voting and AFL. He will remain there unless something unexpected happens.
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There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 25, 2009 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Jack Cust says hi.
He can whiff as much as he wants if he keeps hitting balls out of the park.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
Right but hes not going to maintain his BAPIP
and Cust was just very ok this year.
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There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 22, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I've gotta ask:
After seeing you use the term repeatedly—what’s BAPIP?
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Batting Average on Balls In Play
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That's BABIP.
I’ve seen DFA use BAPIP (with a P) over and over. Batting Average on Pitches in Play?
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Typical DFA spelling.
With DFA, you just have to figure for +/-1 letter per word (or acronym).
Trying to fix DFA’s spelling is like asking Jack Cust for fewer strickouts. You’re better off to leave it alone and just hope he makes up for it with his content.
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lol
this made me laugh a lot.
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There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 25, 2009 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah my bad
BABIP
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There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 25, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm less worried about the K rate
than I am with what he does when he hits the baseball. He could struggle with breaking balls in the bigs too, so long as he keeps eating fastballs for lunch. Not worried about Cust’s results this year wrt Desme because a) Cust is old, and b) I hope to God Desme doesn’t have to play for an A’s team that’s equally terrible at hitting.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
But then wouldn't pitchers just throw him breaking balls?
It’s what usually happens to one trick sluggers.
by eastbayexpat on Oct 23, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't throw breaking balls all the time.
Not unless you want to issue a lot of walks.
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All I meant is that he had only played 5 games in AFL
We’ll get a better sense of K:BB as he plays more games.
I agree with this
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 22, 2009 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
On a game-by-game basis...
Desme has struck out thrice, twice, twice, once, and then not at all for 2 straight games. Obviously, this means he will never K again.
I'm pretty impressed with Storey's numbers holding up.
Can’t we convert this guy to a starter?
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by King Richard on Oct 19, 2009 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Haven't heard too much about this
He was a starter in college so I guess it’s not impossible, but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for this to happen. I haven’t heard anyone connected to the team mention the possibility of converting him.
Watching him pitch on gameday he looks to be pretty much a two pitch guy with the fastball and curve. He threw a couple change-ups in the second inning he pitched but still relied on his two main offerings. Also, his fastball sits around 88-91 mph which manages to still be effective because he mixes in so many 71 mph curveballs with control to slow the batters bat down. But if you figure the conversion to starting saps a couple mph off his fastball then he starts to look really fringy.
Unless his change-up is a really good pitch that he doesnt’ use only because he hasn’t had to, I can’t imagine him being much of a starter.
Whats the deal with Weeks though
Carter’s K’s are not encouraging though
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Weeks has been a disappointment
Yes, I know he had injury problems, but still. He’s clearly way behind just about every college bat drafted around him in 2008, G. Beckham is already in the majors, Wallace and Smoak will be there next year for sure… It doesn’t look like a really good use of a TOP 15 pick, hopefully Green will take a quicker path.
I'm not too worried about his pace
He just finished his first year in pro ball and has 30+ games of AA experience under his belt which isn’t too bad for a top pick. He is behind some of his contemporaries because of injuries and the presence of Cardenas (also I feel that Wallace and Smoak were rushed). Obviously injuries are a problem but I think it is kind of like counting them twice when you hold his pace of promotion against him.
I’m more concerned that Weeks hasn’t really had a break out performance yet. (which of course has something to do with his injuries) I still like him as a prospect but I would really like to see him have a dominant stretch outside of the Cal league.
You realize that there was a reason that Beckham and Smoak were taken ahead of Weeks right?
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by designatedforassignment on Oct 20, 2009 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I was too harsh
It’s too early to call Weeks a disappointment, but 2010 is going to be a very, very important year for him. It could be that the success of his peers makes him look worse than he actually is. 2008 Draft was truly El Dorado of college hitters, I mentioned Beckham, Wallace and Smoak but there’s many, many more – Alvarez, Posey, Alonso, Ike Davis and I’m again probably forgetting someone. 2009 was really much more of a crapshoot class and I’m glad we grabbed one of the safer things offered.
More players that were drafted ahead of Weeks and Davis
who is a first baseman which makes it easier for him to move and is only at AA
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There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 20, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I would be surprised if Davis ever played a game at AA again
He pretty much blew past that level this year and will probably be at AAA or maybe even with the Mets big-league team next spring.
I’m not denying the fact that most of these players I mentioned were seen as more promising and ergo they were drafted higher but this doesn’t mean Weeks should be regarded as completely uncomparable with them. If we can’t compare pick #12 with pick #11, what can we compare then?
Week's development has been a little frustraing when compared to Smoak, Alvarez, Wallace...
but I think a bit has also to do with his defensive position. The A’s clearly took him because they didn’t want just another “Future DH” and wanted a more athletic, up-the-middle player with their first pick…not to mention that Weeks was surely an overdraft at his position.
I think Weeks will end up looking like a solid pick if he can stay a 2nd and play good defense and get on-base and steal some bases. What’s worrying the most to me is that he didn’t run all that much this whole past season…I know the A’s were just being conservative with him and didn’t want him to run all that much, but speed is a major part of his game. Sure, he showed some power in the Cal Leauge, but speed, defense and OBP will get him to the big leagues and I hope he addresses those aspects of his game before falling in love with a newfound, league-inflated power stroke that he won’t be able to sustain long-term.
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This is a very good point
polished college hitters who have little defensive value move quickly which is part of the point of drafting them.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 22, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Glad to see that Desme and Brown are doing well
Still, I have a really hard time reading into any of the short league results.
1. The sample size is waaaay too small.
2. Half the time, pitchers are sent there to work on developing a new pitch or something like that. It doesn’t make for the best pitching opposition out there.
Desme just homered
2-4 so far today with no Ks… from what I can tell he is swinging early in counts which may be heling to avoid the strike outs. His OBP is still .500, but its early.
Weeks and Brown are not playing.
Jason Grey posted about Desme in his AFL blog for insiders… basically saying he is swinging and missing a lot even on fastballs (not expected nor good), but that he may just be adjusting and still is an intriguing prospect, especially for fantasy purposes. His swing is powerful but long (why am i picturing bobby crosby?) It was this post that prompted me to check out his pitch by pitch performace to see how many swings and misses he had today (just 1 so far)… I’ll continue to monitor it.
Grey also says his defense is just ok. Doesn’t have the arm for RF even though he sees time there. Is ok in CF but doesn’t have the best range. Expects him to end up as a LF.
Lots of flaws with Desme to be sure… but I still like him and I think he will continue to seperate himself from Brown in the AFL. I actually think he has more in common with Carter… We need at least one of them to not be Chris Davis when they reach the majors and we can rejoice.
I found the title to be funny.
“Desme struggling” when hes got 3HRs batting 400+ and OPSing 1.400
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
Desme and fastballs
I would not be surprised if this is simply regurgitated from Keith Law. He had a tweet a couple nights ago that Desme can’t even hit an average fastball. (of course his next tweet was that Desme had hit a no-doubter)
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by nobodyinparticular on Oct 20, 2009 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Much of it was regurgitated from a previous post of his
I did find the timing of the post odd. It does seem he struggled the first few games… hopefully he got it out of his system.
Um, not being able to hit a fast ball is a problem
Like a huge problem. Like, a “will-not-succeed-at-AA” problem.
Somehow, though, I find the statement somewhat ludicrous. I doubt he would have succeeded at A+ if he wasn’t able to hit the average fastball.
I’m not surprised to hear that he doesn’t really have the range for CF, though the lack of arm strength from RF surprised me.
But let’s not suffer from prospect inflation and read too much into the AFL. You get weird effects in Arizona.
For example, in 2008, the average AVG of all the hitters in the AFL was .300. The average OPS was .848. The avg SLG was .481.
In 2009, YTD, the average AVG is .312 and the average OPS is .874
In 2007, Corey Wimberly, no one’s idea of a power hitter (or hitter at all), OPSed .970. Evan Longoria OPSed .963.
Better to do well in the AFL than not, but weird stuff happens in the AFL.
by eastbayexpat on Oct 21, 2009 5:40 AM PDT up reply actions
The source is the problem
The big pile of baseballs on the other side of the fence in Stockton disagree vehemently with the idea he can’t hit fastballs. I’m skeptical that too much should be read into the analysis of his defense, either.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
So much desme negativity from those espn "experts"
Yet he still continues to hit. He’s definitely has some flaws and issues to work on, but they havent mentioned it was really his 1st full healthy season maybe since 2007 at cal poly and his 1st full professional season. Losing 1+ seasons of development time is huge and for desme to go from draft bust to back on the radar map is a nice surprise
Weeks struggles from AA/AFL consist of barely 90-100 ab’s only, he also missed alot of time since summer of 08 so we’ll see.
ESPN/BA negativity
Untill one of our position prospects pans out like the Giambi/Chavez/Tejada/Hernandez era, they will always be undervalued by the ESPN, baseball america “writing” heads. Only two recent position prospects are making a name for themselves, and they are earning playoff time in New York and Los Angeles.
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Make that one game. Yesterday’s game was postponed. I got worried when I thought he missed two in a row.
It's still weird though
No reason to rest him after two off-days.
Another homerun for Desme so far today
Making it 4HR in the AFL.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
Right-center field shot by the way
Struggles continue.
Man I love me some Desme!
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
Desme struck out his second time up
Weeks: GIDP, BB
Brown: K
LOL
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1. (Oakland A’s Desme) Half man half amazing… DES is like a created player on a nintendo game every category 100 except his power is 200about 7 hours ago from web
Thats is better than all those scouting reports
I like it!
2 HRs today by the way. 5 total.
2 Ks as well.
The whole team is hitting around .400 though.
Desme with another HR
Desme: 2-5 2 HR 2K
Brown 1-4 HR 3K
Weeks 1-5
No A’s pitchers got into the game. Desme struggling to the AFL lead in HRs.
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Mickey Storey
1in/2k’s
1of which was against phillies super prospect dominic brown
This guy might have an andrew bailey type rise to the majors if this continues. His breaking stuff and control is already plus weapons.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=304&f=2062&t=4743237&p=6
His curveball is really an amazing pitch to watch in person. It sits anywhere from 69-75 depending on how he throws it and it almost always has guys lunging for it, even if they know it is coming. Keith Lieppman compared Storey to Justin Duchscherer, but with a harder fastball. Storey is only a year and a half removed from arm problems, so he may be able to add another MPH or two to his fastball over the next year or so (it took Andrew Bailey more than two years to regain his full fastball velocity after his TJ surgery). I’ll be curious to see if they give any thought to trying Storey in the rotation next season. He was an excellent starter his first two years of college before the arm issues.
Keith Law still isnt a fan
Do you like Desme in the Oakland system? The numbers in the AFL look poor, and that’s generally reported as a hitters’ league. Did you see stuff/approach/tools to like this fall?
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I don’t. Saw him swing through way too many average (or better) fastballs. I know his stat line was great thi syear, but he wasn’t young for his league.
I wonder how many fastballs Keith Law has actually seen him swing through...
I would bet less than ten…
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Law is a funny and smart guy
But he loves to shoot from the hip sometimes and judge players quickly. And he’s not someone who will go back on his words, he still hates Ryan Zimmerman for example.
To be fair, he's a member of the Nationals.
Only makes sense.
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no no he doesn’t judge too quickly. :-P
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There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 25, 2009 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, and I love how the guy who asked the question goes 'the numbers in the AFL look poor
Because he read the headline ‘Desme struggling in Arizona" on ESPN two days before and he didn’t bother to check his actual stats.
Todays game just started
Weeks, Desme, and Brown all started and Starsburg is on the mound for phoenix. Should be a fun game to “watch”.
Weeks lead of the game with a single, bumped the AVG all the way up to .200
Quick update
Desme and Brown have each tagged homers in the early going and Brown just added a triple.
Desme with another HR
Monster shot way over the 385 mark in LCF (at least that’s how it looked on Gameday).
HR Desme (6)
On an 82 mph changeup. Gameday has the pitch types, speeds and breaks today so its especially interesting to watch how Desme handles different pitches.
He barely missed one to the opposite field in the first
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Yeah, is it just an operator that places the dot by hand?
And if so, is he labeling where it landed, or is he guessing where the ball would have landed if it didn’t run into the stands?
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I think Desme is the most exciting hitting prospect we have had in years.
Carter is right there too. But Desme is my fav.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
Not sure about most exciting
but he is pretty exciting. Even if he strikes out a lot, I have as much fun watching his progress as I do watching most of our MLB guys… I probably shouldn’t though.
how are you defining exciting?
because for me his ability to inspire fanboys/girls who don’t take into account age, park, or k rates is really the opposite of exciting.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 25, 2009 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
AFL is obviously a huge hitters league
Pitchers are on average not quite as good as the hitters and ball carries well down in Arizona but the power that Desme is showing still epic. Even if he’s .250/.320/.500 player when he reaches majors that’s great production from CF.
Problem is most don't think he's a CF.
And an .820 OPS that’s SLG heavy from a corner outfielder isn’t great.
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on Oct 22, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
On the A's...
.820 OPS is like one of the best hitters on our team… unfortunately.
Its as presumptuous to say he is an .820 guy as it is to say he is a .950 guy or a .000 (never plays) guy. Kinda pointless right now.
I think this is right
He needs to get to the next level and perform at that level before we make any judgments about how well he’ll hit.
All that we know right now is that he seems to have good raw power and some strikeout problems. Probably better suited to the corners than CF, though that could change too.
by eastbayexpat on Oct 23, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is it pointless to project him?
I would think that he would hit even worse than that in the coli more like .220/280/450, which is fairly similar to 0.240/0.304/0.453/0.757 or his park and luck neutral MWL line from this year. BTW that comes out to a .308 wOBA, which quite frankly sucks. Now there is always room for improvement and the MWL numbers did include some improvement as he shook of the rust. But I just have an issue seeing great production out of him.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 25, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
More from Jason Grey
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=grey_jason
Mentions Desme is settling in and his AFL stats matter because of his age.
Mentions the Josh Bell tweet with an amusing follow-up after the 2 HR day yesterday:
“[Desme] is no longer half man half amazing, we have come to figure out he’s not human, he’s a machine !!”
How did anyone find that tweet? Its not like he has been posting long. I wonder if Jason found out about it from here.
Brown is a double short of a traditional cycle
Desme needs to get hit to complete the sabermetric cycle – HR, BB, K, HBP.
Desme with another great game so far..
3-4 1BB no Ks and 1 HR.
James Simmons 4 2/3 5Hs 3ERs 0BBs 1K
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
Also..
Friend..Demel.. and Story all ruffed up pretty bad.
"Carter's 25-game hitting streak isn't any normal streak. He's 46 for 97 (.474 average) during the run, adding 16 walks and compiling 81 total bases in the process. I'm out of superlatives for what he's doing." - Kevin Goldstein
how 'bout Stephen Strasbourg
3 homers, 7 hits, 7 ER in 2 2/3 innings
Ouch.
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