2010 Community Prospect List - #7
by Zonis on Oct 11, 2009 10:35 PM PDT
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PrintI would just like to point out that I am very happy with the turn out, as well as the cases for players on the list thus far, and look forward to more of it in the future, especially as we get lower with lesser known prospects.
Poll is going to dwindle due to lack of suggestion for players to be added. Keep suggesting! I might have the poll fall back down to 5.
Want to look back at past votes? The link for the poll that each player has won is next to their name along with the percentage of the vote that they won at time of call.
Don't forget to list players in comments that you believe should be added to the poll soon!
The Minor League season has ended, and Winter Leagues are still a ways away. So what do we have left to do but tally up our Minor League experiences and take a look at the state of the A's Minor League System.
If you want to view Last Year's list, check here.
The qualifications to be voted onto the list are simple. The player in question must be eligible to win a Rookie of the Year Award for the 2010 season-that is, he must be a rookie to start the 2010 season. Well, not quite. To make it simpler and not have to count days on the active roster, we will be going with 130 AB or 50 Innings Pitched.
Lots of players have graduated from last years list, such as Cahill, Anderson, Mazzaro and Outman to name a few. Several others have upped their prospect value while others have fallen. Its our job to figure out where they stand.
The list will probably go on to 50 again like last time, though it really depends on how far AN wants to take it.
So argue out which player you believe deserves the spot for the list. Bring out the stats, the scouting reports, and the pictures (I'm looking at you flashfire!).
If you think you know a prospect well enough, write a scouting report with your supporting stats and I will put it into the thread for the next vote, either for the player's Bio after he wins, or for his bio for voting.
If you think a player deserves mention, or should be put on the next prospect vote list, or prospects that should be kept track of, put them in the comments (and preferably mark them clearly) and they will get consideration. I expect the top of the list, as with last year, to go rather smoothly for the first few players, but it gets more difficult as it goes on, and its up to you to bring prospects to light so that we can all see them. Just ask Anthony Capra, last year's #46 (and this years much higher) how important that is.
Votes will last a few days per round, or until a clear winner has emerged by landslide.
Age is entering the 2009 Season.
Prospects up for Vote:
Michael Ynoa, SP, Age 17 - Video
Did not play, 60 Day Disabled List.
Anthony Capra, SP, Age 22
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP STO (oak) A+ 9 2-2 3.12 52 42 21 67 0 1.21 KAN (oak) A 18 4-7 3.24 100 70 40 103 0 1.10
Corey Brown, CF, Age 23 - Video
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B MID (oak) AA 66 .268 .349 .488 9 43 5 46 20
Josh Donaldson, C, Age 23 - Video
DesignatedForAssignment's case for Josh Donaldson
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B MID (oak) AA 124 .270 .379 .415 9 91 7 67 37
Arnold Leon, SP, Age 20
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP MID (oak) AA 33 2-3 3.51 74.1 71 28 63 1 1.33
Tyson Ross, SP, Age 22 - Cal Sports Profile Video
2009 Stats G W-L ERA IP H BB K SV WHIP MID (oak) AA 9 5-4 3.96 50 40 20 31 0 1.20 STO (oak) A+ 18 5-6 4.17 86.1 78 33 82 0 1.29
Sean Doolittle, 1B/OF, Age 22 - Video
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B SAC (oak) AAA 28 .267 .364 .448 4 14 0 17 5
A's Community Prospect List
1. Chris Carter, 1B, Age 22 - 76% (of 5) - Video
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B SAC (oak) AAA 13 .259 .293 .519 4 14 0 7 2 MID (oak) AA 125 .337 .435 .576 24 101 13 108 41
2. Brett Wallace, 3B, Age 22 - 79% (of 5) - Offense Video / Defense Video
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B SAC (oak) AAA 44 .302 .365 .505 9 28 1 32 10 Mem (stl) AAA 62 .293 .346 .423 6 19 0 22 11 SPR (stl) AA 32 .281 .403 .437 5 16 0 22 5
3. Adrian Cardenas, IF, Age 21 - 75% (of 5) - Video
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B SAC (oak) AAA 51 .251 .317 .372 1 24 3 23 15 MID (oak) AA 79 .326 .392 .446 3 55 5 56 26
4. Jemile Weeks, 2B, Age 22 - 36% (of 8) - Video
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B MID (oak) AA 30 .238 .303 .343 2 13 4 10 5 STO (oak) A+ 50 .299 .385 .468 7 31 5 29 9
5. Grant Desme, OF, Age 23 - 29% (of 8) - Video
OmahaHi's case for Grant Desme
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B STO (oak) A+ 62 .304 .398 .656 20 51 16 49 12 KAN (oak) A 69 .274 .334 .490 11 38 24 49 19
6. Grant Green, SS, Age 21 - 32% (of 7) - Video
2009 Stats G Bavg OBP SLG HR RBI SB R 2B USC College 54 .374 .441 .569 4 32 16 46 19 STO (oak) A+ 4 .316 .350 .368 0 3 1 2 1
Upcomming Potential Prospects for Voting (no order): Mattl Sulentic, OF Anthony Recker, C Shane Peterson, OF Alex Valdez Dustin Coleman, SS Travis Banwart, SP Matt Spencer, OF Gregorio Petit, SS Max Stassi, C Graham Godfrey, SP Robin Rosario, OF Tommy Everidge, 1B Clayton Mortensen, SP Ronny Morla, SP Wilfredo Solano Joel Galarraga, C Nino Leyja, 2B Paul Smyth Conner Crumbliss Pedro Figueroade, SP Rashun Dixon, CF Julio Ramos Daniel Straily Fautino De Los Santos, SP James Simmons, SP Ian Krol, SP Yusuf Carter Ryan Ortiz, SP Brett Hunter, SP Anthony Huttenlocker Carlos Hernandez, SP Ben Hornbeck, SP Brad Kilby, SP Reynaldo Mateo Tyler Ladendorff Shawn Haviland, SP Mickey Storey, SP Chris Mederos Jon Meloan Josh Horton, SS Henry Rodriguez, RP Conner Hoehn Corey Wimberly, UTL Dan Thomas Sam Demel, RP Josh Leyland, C Justin Souza Andrew Carignan, RP Jermaine Mitchell, CF Jared Lansford, RP Justin Marks Jason Christian, 3B
If you have a prospect you want to suggest, from this list or not on it, speak up in comments!
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Josh Donaldson should win this one pretty handily.
As for suggestions for next round, I think Max Stassi, Fautino de los Santos, and James Simmons should be on deck.
Also, in that list of possible prospects, I don’t know what Pedro Figueroade is, but I want some.
Lay down, black gives way to blue.
Lay down, I'll remember you.
Donaldson has the sort of support that gives him an early lead.
But I’ll bet Ynoa gains on him considerably once the later returns come in.
Me, I’m with Brown.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
You know what just because I like to wake up at 8 am and get to the polls on election day doesn't mean you should Jinx Josh Donaldson
seriously this is starting to make me sad. Desme was much further down my list as was Green. Ynoa barely make my top 10 so please pleas people vote for my guy JD.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 12, 2009 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
This list is like a cross between Candide and "I Believe I Can Fly"
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
So far there has only been one poll
that was not won by the guy who placed 2nd in the previous poll.
Donaldson was the runner-up last round. I think he’s secure.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Voted Leon
I’ve been a fan of his for a couple years and now that he’s starting to perform to go along with his upside I like him even more. Can’t wait to see how he does next year as a full time starter and a possible promotion to AAA.
As for future considerations I still think Simmons should be considered along with DLS.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
I was just thinking about it more
And I realized what a shame it’s been that DLS has basically done nothing for us since the trade. If this guy had stayed healthy there’s a very real chance that he could’ve been in the rotation this year in Oakland or at the very least busting down the door by ST next year. It really goes to show you how injuries can just derail a prospect’s trajectory.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Oct 12, 2009 2:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I, too, have stuck with Leon
Doesn’t look like his bandwagon is filling up anytime soon though.
we in the losin baseball binness. and cousin, binness is a boomin.
by walk off bunt on Oct 12, 2009 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
ARL isn't THAT important for pitchers
Leon’s pretty good, but he’s not likely to suddenly turn into a superstar in the manner of, say, Justin Upton. He might add a couple MPH to his fastball, which would be helpful, but not the kind of dramatic changes extremely young hitters can make.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I don't know what the data is on it
But wouldn’t that apply more to older pitchers than younger ones? That is – if you’ve got a 26-year old in AA having success it’s not as big a mark against him.
But a 20-year old in AA having success must indicate something, right?
we in the losin baseball binness. and cousin, binness is a boomin.
by walk off bunt on Oct 12, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Hit "cancel" by mistake on my reply
Cliffs notes: Projectability is more important than age per se; Leon is not uber-projectable; hence he probably wouldn’t be that much worse a prospect if he was 22 instead of 20; still good though.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Also voted Leon
The A’s have been careful with this kid so it is difficult to project what he’s going to develop into. Early in the season he pitched a lot of 1 or 2 inning games (as a reliever). Later in the season, primarily as a starter, his inning counts went up, and as his innings mounted, his success rate increased. His August line, when he pitched the most innings, was, not surprisingly, also his most effective, that is to say: TBF 100 BB/PA 5.0% K/PA 27.0% BABIP 209 GB% .47% ERA 0.66. He’s playing winter ball and presumably the A’s will stretch him out further next season.
chronic
I'm excited to see him in Sacramento next year.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 13, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Tell me when Ynoa has thrown a professional pitch
I don’t care what kind of upside you have if you haven’t pitched in a year. JD for me here.
"I feel like we are sending Danny Haren for Mulder all over again." - Cardinal fan on the Matt Holliday trade
"But at this time of year, two plus two doesn't always add up to eight. Sometimes, it equals four." - Geoff Baker, Mariners beat writer.
He's thrown lots of "professional pitches"
if by that you mean pitches since he signed his contract and became a professional player in our org. If you mean he has hasn’t pitched in any league that keeps stats, and took a couple months off as a precautionary measure, that’s true.
I do care what kind of upside he has. And I don’t even care if he produces stats next season. He should be doing well in AA in mid-2012, at which point he’d still be 20 years old.
How is his minor league service time calculated, as he wasn't drafted?
By which I mean, at what stage will be he eligable for the rule 5 draft?
A guy I'd add to the list for down the road lists is Kenny Smalley.
Anyways, I went with Donaldson. Tough to choose at this point, and I think there are currently a lot of good choices.
Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM
I don't see the great difference between Capra and Smalley.
Hornbeck has handily outperformed both, and none of the three is going to get voted on based on scouting reports at this point.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 12, 2009 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Capra put up very very good K numbers
Smalley hasn’t really done anything impressive…
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
Smalley had a higher k/9 than Capra at age 21 in A ball.
Capra has better stuff from what I’ve heard, but their numbers aern’t very different.
Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM
Capra's K numbers got a lot better this year from last year
27.4% this year, 18.5% last year. 27.4 is really good. No way Smalley does that next year. Capra was #2 (after Hornbeck) in the Cal league (among guys with as many or more bfp) in K%. 6th in the Midwest league. No reason to expect Smalley to make a big jump.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
Right,
Smalley is no Capra, that’s for sure. Capra is one of the best pitching prospects in this system. I’m just advocating for Smalley later on, as he’s got great numbers now is better than a lot of guys on that list in my opinion. Plus, Smalley could improve.
Keep in mind, of course, that "the best defense of Derek Jeter's life" ranks somewhere in between "the best fiscal responsibility of Mike Tyson's life" and "the best not-getting-assassinated-ness of James Garfield's life." -FJM
Brown
Higher upside than Donaldson, better security than Leon and Ynoa. Dude hit roughly the same in 2008 as Desme this year and then improved on it in ’09.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Yay!
This is exactly why I like him so much.
by eastbayexpat on Oct 12, 2009 5:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed - Corey Brown is awesome
With a healthy 2010 in Sacramento, Corey Brown will push some weak-hitting OF in Oakland out of his job.
We need offense. Lots of it.
by redtopcowboy on Oct 12, 2009 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Voted Ynoa
I know he has yet to throw a professional pitch yet his potential is just immense.
+1
There’s not a GM in baseball who wouln’t trade any one of these guys for Ynoa.
by NRC on Oct 12, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know about that
I do know for a fact that there’s not a GM in baseball who thought Ynoa was worth more than a little over $5M last season, and that’s before the arm injury.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
right
its not like hes Strausburg or Chapman or even Ackly. Hes got about as much money as Tony Sanchez whose pick was ripped from head to toe by just about everyone as both an overdraft and an overspend.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 12, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of Chapman
Anyone else think the A’s should use their “free agent” SP money to sign him instead of one of the vets? If they want a potential ready-made ace, the only way they’re going to get it is by taking a chance on a guy like Chapman (and it is a chance, let’s not kid ourselves— he has plenty of red flags).
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
YES
I irrationally love Cuban players. I almost peed my pants when Slusser said the A’s kicked the tires on him. Just think Anderson Chapman Braden Gio whoever sucks less Cahill or Mazzaro as our token righty. Holly shit that would be good.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 12, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Better him than the litany of mediocre options out there
I’d be all for it, but I sense the bidding on him is going to get outrageous.
we in the losin baseball binness. and cousin, binness is a boomin.
by walk off bunt on Oct 12, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Though, to be fair
The same amount of money buys a lot more in Latin America than in the draft. Teams recognize the risk inherent in guys who are at least two years younger than their draft-eligible more experienced counterparts.
If even an underpaid top 10 pick is getting the same as a LA bonus baby said bonus baby is probably immensely talented.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
To be fair I still think this is innacurate
There are more inherent risks in 16 year olds coming from international settings than American teenagers (most notably I cant seem to recall any stateside kids faking their age, and two years of organized ball allows a lot of players who during the process of growth would get hurt and lose their talent in recovery to happen). However, those risks are overwhelmed by the mitigating factor that you ignore which is leverage. If Miguel Sano could only negotiate with the Pirates, im sure he would have been stuck in the low $2ms rather than getting $3m from the Twins. Furthermore, with top draft picks the teams have the ability to receive compensation if they fail to brow beat their pick low enough. Open competition and bidding wars without compensation to the loser have far more of a inflationary effect than 2 years less age and experience.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 12, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Does Danny Almonte count as a "stateside kid"?
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Whatever happened to that kid?
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 13, 2009 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
LLWS and pro ball are a big difference.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 13, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Well if Sanchez was an overspend why would you compare Ynoa to him? If youre looking to compare his value to a 2009 draftee how about Tyler Matzek – he got 3.9M from the Rox? I’d sure take Matzek above anyone left on this list.
I should add, that Im (perhaps deludedly) assuming that Ynoa’s arm is more or less fine and that being held back was mostly precautionary.
Matzek has actually pitched in more competitive situations than Ynoa
and has a clean bill of health in addition to being limited with his negotiations by being drafted and he was gone at what 10?
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 12, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
But if rumors are to be believed
At least 3 thought he was worth $4.5M+. And I know it’s a copout, but we have no idea how serious the arm injury is. It could be TJS, it could be normal arm soreness that every pitcher, hell every player, in baseball has felt.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Point is, I'd pay more than $5M to buy most of the prospects on this list
It’s really quite an easy test for Ynoa (far easier than for any other prospect on the list). I will rank him at the point where I would be willing to sell the prospect in question to another team for $5M.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I generally agree with you
However, I’d point out that the lack of an open market exchange mechanism means that it’s hard to gut check your assertions.
by eastbayexpat on Oct 12, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
no, you don't
You have no clue what approximately 27 GMs thought his value was. We have no clue what the owner-GM relationship is in terms of discretionary funds for almost every front office.
It’s very plausible that several GMs thought he was worth $5M, and knew that they would never be able to convince their owner to pay $5M for a 16-year-old boy.
It’s also plausible that several GMs don’t know the most efficient way to run their teams from a WAR/success standpoint, or, even if they do, are handicapped from running them that way due to public relations/budgetary/political concerns that also impact their job (example: the M’s giving an extension to Johjima by mandate of the Japanese ownership).
What you do know is that he was one of the most heavily recruited International players in history, and that he signed a record signing bonus for a player of his age. That’s what you know. You don’t know if your previous statement is true.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Oct 12, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
By this definition of "known," it is impossible to ever say anything about anyone's motives
Yes, the heads of GMs are in some sense a black box. Nonetheless, behavior is a damn good indicator of thought process in most cases (and if you don’t believe this, you’d better focus your attentions on totally scrapping and rebuilding the criminal justice system rather than dicking around with baseball).
Would it help if you replaced “GM” with “team”? Of course, you’d have to do that for the original comment that I was replying to, too…
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
by PaulThomas on Oct 12, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK, the streetlamp metaphor didn't work, but
we’re looking at the same phenomenon here.
When someone points out that you are making claims that cannot be justified, to say “but by that standard I wouldn’t be able to make any such claims” is not a rebuttal.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
It's more an accusation of nihilism than a "rebuttal"
I don’t think NSJ fully realizes/credits just how much inferring of motives and opinions we do based on the real-world actions people take.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Harrumph
This has devolved to the level of intellectual masturbation at this point.
Yes, I realize people regularly make inferences of motives and opinions based upon real-world actions.
Iglew hit on my point, Paul. It was an unjustifiable claim; it at least needed to be couched a little.
But this recent back-and-forth is a microcosm of a small objection of mine: I feel that sometimes you argue and debate for the sake of winning rather than the pursuit of truth. Your superior IQ, knowledge, and debate skills allow you to often “win” arguments even if “the facts”/objective truth aren’t 100% on your side. This is probably an admirable trait in a successful future lawyer. :)
But on seldom occasions it runs counter to the reasons that I visit AN and other baseball blogs, which is to get smarter about baseball and pursue a sort of objective baseball truth. I truly want to systematically analyze and decide which player is the A’s seventh best prospect.
Grain of salt. I treasure your contributions, which do certainly make me smarter about the game.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Oct 13, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Why does it have to be intellectual though?
They call their best player "Kung Fu Panda" and they complain that people aren’t taking them or the game seriously enough? -Nick
Because when you masturbate
it’s much more satisfying if you feel smart about it in the end?
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
I always thought it was much more satisfying...
if you felt dirty in the end…
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
by Gaijin_Suketto on Oct 14, 2009 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
because in the end you are fucking yourself?
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 13, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Because intellectuals can't get a date.
Duh.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Maybe
That comment wasn’t very well worded. It sounds more patronizing than I meant it to. Mea culpa.
I do think this question of “To what extent are Latin prospect-buying GMs rational actors?” is a critical one, though. The rationality of the actors is the key factor in determining whether a marketplace will function efficiently or not. If the market is efficient, then the value of goods will match the prices paid for them. If not, the two might be radically different.
I tend to think baseball GMs would be fairly rational in this marketplace, since it has minimal impact on their own job security (who knows whether they’ll be around in the 6 or 7 years it’ll take most of these guys to crack the majors), usually doesn’t involve much of the kind of “use it or lose it” calculations that go into budgeting season-to-season free agent signings, is low profile enough that egos don’t usually get heavily involved, and because they are not spending their own money, but the corporation’s (tending to reduce some of the logical fallacies that people are prone to when dealing with their own bankroll).
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Great point.
People should really keep this in mind. Every team had their chance, just like they do with Japanese and Cuban players. And despite being able to have teams bid against each other, Ynoa was “only” able to get $5M. And there’s no question that as of today, that amount would be less — given that the one thing that scares teams the most about a young pitcher (arm injuries) is now something to worry about more seriously.
Now clearly he has a high ceiling, but I suppose I’d have to take another high-ceiling player who has actually accomplished something in the minor leagues, or at least college.
We're on our 7th vote already, and I just wanted to ask everyone
how they think the series is going thus far? Are there any changes that need to be made?
What do people like thus far, and what do dislike about the Community Prospect List? Any comments on it overall.
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
I love this. Thanks for putting it together.
It combines critical thinking & baseball, all w/in the context of friendly banter in a green and gold community. You give the stats, provide links, and best of all, there’s a winner at the end of every round. And then we start it all over again. What’s not to love?
I also echo danmerqury’s suggestions for candidates, esp. on Stassi.
JJ Martin
The best way to catch a knuckleball is to wait until the ball stops rolling and then pick it up. ~Bob Uecker
I think it's going great, and you're my hero for putting it together.
If I were to quibble, I might drop candidates who got very few votes, either the lowest vote getter or anyone with less than 3% or so.
I also might want to get some variety in the candidates. For example, now that Green got elected, I might have added Stassi. It might be more fun if the candidates appealed to different constituencies — position players vs pitchers, starters vs relievers, upside vs certitude, minor league track record vs scouting reports, etc.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Oct 12, 2009 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions
It needs to be changed to look more like my personal list...
otherwise the administration of it has been excellent.
I think something that will be interesting is the distinction between the commenters and the silent lurkers that should show up because there really is no way to do a poll based IRV so that should be interesting later in the winter.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 12, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
You've done an outstanding job, Zonis
We are lucky to have you as a member of this community. I have really enjoyed having the opportunity to crystalize my views about specific players and even drafting/prospect philosophy with the intelligence that this community has to offer.
Respectful, too. I’m really pleased with how intelligent and respectful these discussions have been. So many intelligent and strong-minded people – it could’ve easily turned cantankerous. Instead it’s been civil and thought-provoking. One of the reasons I love AN.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Oct 12, 2009 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Screw you.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
One small suggestion.
I would find it helpful if there were some cue that tells me what text in the main post is new. I know you repeat a lot of the same introductory text, and that’s fine, but I don’t want to read the whole thing all over again with each round, while I do want to read anything new paragraphs you may have added, but it’s not immediately apparent which paragraphs, if any, are new.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
If it is new
it will be at the top or bottom of the post. If it has to do with new players to be added, it will be at the bottom. If it has to do with rules, commentary, or anything else, it will be at the top, and likely seperated with 3 stars.
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
Excellent. Thanks.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Joel Galarraga
Anyone have any information on him? He started the season very well, then nothing heard from him since may. Milb.com says he is on the 7 Day Disabled list.
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
Ynoa again
And Henry Rodriguez for the list of options. Also Stassi. I wish Ynoa would get elected so I could start thinking about whether I prefer Stassi, Leon or Doolittle.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
Not to nitpick
but wouldn’t ti be better to start the community prospect lists till after the AFL? To many things can happen during the AFL that can majorly change how a prospect is perceived.,
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
Eh
Winter leagues are SSSS (small sample size specials). Probably best to do it now.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
That doesn't mean they don't give us more information
for example on Sean Doolittle, his AFL last year was excellent after he bombed out in the Texas League, which gave us some evidence that the late season collapse was fatigue related so that when he went home for a couple of weeks for a rest he hit like gangbusters (in an inflated offensive environment in a small sample size)
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 12, 2009 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure, they can be useful
if you know where to look. Problem is, most people just look at the triple-slash line and assume it means something. It’s not quite as cringe-inducing as spring training, but only because it gets less pub.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Voted for Doolittle
The injury was a bit of a bummer but I still believe in the bat and I think he will have enough mobility to remain decent in the outfield with a strong arm. It is a little difficult to get an exact read on what Doolittle can be because he has been moved fast and his performance has varied at different levels, but I think his AFL, and AAA performance has answered a lot of the concerns that I had after his struggles in AA.
His BB-rate plummetted in AA but other than that it has remained fairly consistent around the 11-12% range which is very good. His K-rate rose to dangerous levels in 08 at both levels but from his college career and other pro stops I tend to think that was a bit of an anomoly. Also, I give him some credit because he has been pretty universally praised by A’s talent evaluator’s since joining the team. You have to take evaluations from within the organization with a huge grain of salt but I think the praise has been effusive enough that it deserves some consideration.
The overall picture I see when I look at Doolittle is a player that is a decent bet to put up Lyle Overbay type numbers offensively with solid defense in an outfield corner or outstanding defense at first. And he is not completely devoid of upside because I think there is a chance there could be a bit more power in his bat that has been muted by his quick ascension through the system.
Donaldson hype is a bit much
His defensive value and potential power is lacking compared to a doolittle, desme, brown ,etc.
Donaldson seems to be valued for his positional value, but thatscancelled out by his defensive weaknesses. The A’s might shuffle him fro multiple spots (lke patterson ) if hisbat is good enough. IMO he’s in that top 10-15 range, but I’d ranked several hitters before him. Lets say he’s ready by late 2010 where does he play if suzuki/powell are still around and they are still committed to playing wallace at 3b? I mentioned before that 2010 offseason will put the A’s in a rule 5 eligible roster crunch, but anice problem to have if the players progress well.
2010 rule 5 offseason eligible
simmons
doolittle
brown
desme
demel
carignan
banwart
friend
horton
spencer
donaldson
sulentic
IF he sticks at catcher
His defensive value will be at least as high as the outfielders. Also he walks more than he strikes out which is a good indicator that he will stick in the big leagues. He’s a safer type pick.
RIVER CATS: AAA CHAMPS!
He has a chance to stick at C and there are some indications that he would be good at 3b
I think the chance that he sticks at either position are very good. Brown has more power potential but less OBP potential and has an injury history.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 12, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Just wanted to repost Scout's mid-season...
top 50 as a reference….
This list was done in August
click on link for a synopsis of each player
1. Brett Wallace, IF
2. Chris Carter, 1B
3. Adrian Cardenas, IF
4. Jemile Weeks, 2B:
5. Michael Ynoa, RHP
6. Sean Doolittle, OF/1B
7. Grant Desme, CF
8. Josh Donaldson, C
9. Tyson Ross, RHP
10. Henry Rodriguez, RHP
11. Corey Brown, CF
12. Clayton Mortensen, RHP
13. James Simmons, RHP
14. Sam Demel, RHP
15. Fautino De Los Santos, RHP
16. Matt Spencer, OF/1B
17. Justin Marks, LHP
18. Shane Peterson, OF/1B
19. Arnold Leon, RHP
20. Anthony Capra, LHP
21. Matt Sulentic, OF
22. Dusty Coleman, SS
23. Rashun Dixon, OF
24. Nino Leyja, IF
25. Andrew Carignan, RHP
26. Brett Hunter, RHP
27. Tyler Ladendorf, SS
28. Brad Kilby, LHP
29. Mickey Storey, RHP
30. Jeremy Barfield, OF
31. Josh Horton, SS
32. Carlos Hernandez, LHP
33. Kenneth Smalley, RHP
34. Jason Christian, 3B
35. Jared Lansford, RHP
36. Ben Hornbeck, LHP
37. Pedro Figueroa, LHP
38. Michael Spina, 3B
39. Graham Godfrey, RHP
40. Ryan Ortiz, C
41. Paul Smyth, RHP
42. Myrio Richard, OF
43. Connor Hoehn, RHP
44. Conner Crumbliss, UTL
45. Josh Leyland, C/DH
46. Corey Wimberly, UTL
47. Julio Ramos, LHP
48. Robin Rosario, OF
49. Omar Duran, LHP
50. Murphy Smith, RHP
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Oct 12, 2009 4:16 PM PDT reply actions
above list does not include....
draftees who signed late: green, stassi and krol
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Oct 12, 2009 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Also Doolittle didn't make it back like he was suppose to
which could/should have dropped him down the list if and Leon hadn’t been converted to a starter at that point IIRC
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 12, 2009 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh
Do not like this list at all.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Agreed
Definitely a real baffling list.
One thing that always throws me is how much people want to differentiate relievers. Brad Kilby is left-handed, has had considerable success, and now a successful taste of the Show.
Henry Rodriguez is right-handed, can’t control the strikezone. Kilby is 28th, but H-Rod is 10th.
Now, sure, I’m playing into PT’s hands. But given injury – how do you really rationalize Carignan over Kilby at this point?
Hrod looks better in a pair of jeans
If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.
I don't think its too bad
Certainly some head-scratchers, but you’d have some with any list of 50. Overall, I think it’s pretty reasonable.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
Really?
I think its top 25 (by far the most important part) or so is pretty good. HRod and Ynoa are a bit high. Mortenson too. Brown and Leon are a bit low. Otherwise, I may not agree perfectly but it’s all arguable.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Top of the list looks about right
I think Doolittle and Ynoa will fall a bit due to continued injuries. Desme will rise because he finished strong. Carter did too but I have yet to see a journalist or scout put Carter ahead of Wallace. Toss Green in and it looks a lot like what we have come up with here.
Thanks for posting this.
Wow. Such a great battle between Michael and Josh
Time to create picket signs and stand outside my house shouting until Zonis closes the voting…
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Oct 12, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions
Where do you live
Ive got Leopold overnighting the signs for Donaldson.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 12, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I've been voting Ynoa since #5 so i can't stop now
If you had a lineup of 9 Jack Custs who hit(Cust career average) .239 AVG, .382 OBP, and .475 SLG, then your team would score 6.12 runs per game-totalling to 991runs a season.The 08 rangers lead the majors in runs score with 901.
Max Stassi should be next
The guy is only out of high school but did great his first year.
Though I don't have an objection to putting him up
But its hard to call a 707 OPS with a 5.5 K/BB ratio and a .061 ISO “great”
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 12, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I've learned to take any 1st year SS numbers with a grain of salt
I’ll wait till a full year to make judgement.
Don't believe in yourself.
Believe in Me who believes in You.
Oh for sure, its way too small of a sample size to judge him
Im just saying I wouldn’t call that a great first year.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 12, 2009 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
High school catchers are horrible value picks
and nothing in his (minuscule) track record so far says otherwise… he’s not a top 20 prospect in my book.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
:-)
That’s for spelling the parenthesized word in the good old-fashioned way.
Now if someone will just refer to Ynoa as a “massive” talent, my day will be complete.
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
Well, he's a talent, and he has a positive mass...
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
Can you have a negative mass? I've got some physicists on the line waiting to talk with you
(‘Holes’ in semiconductors don’t count)
What about intangible things and their lack of mass
i mean that memes have no physical representation.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 13, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
"That guy has massive intangibles!"
"Go ahead and overachieve, you scrappy Brett-Favre-colored walk-takers." —Rev Halofan
I wonder how many times this sentence has actually been uttered by a sportscaster
I set the over/under at 8.
Linda's in the cold ground, won't see her anymore
Somewhere out on the highway tonight, the drunken engines roar
It's just one of those things, one of those things
-- Al Stewart, "Accident on 3rd St."
In memory of Nick Adenhart and all victims of drunk driving
I don't know about you people,
but I’m voting for Wally Cornelius.
"Flea Markets aren't just for blind dates anymore!"- The Reverend Billy Lard
BA doesn't like the A's Midland prospects....
Texas League top 20
3. Carter
5. Wallace
15. Cardenas
19. Brown
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
Im doing a write up so it will be up soon
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 13, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
AFL Update
First game just started. Some interesting tidbits:
Weeks is batting leadoff.
Desme is batting 4th and is playing CF.
Brown is batting 7th and is playing RF.
I find the defensive positions particularly interesting. I wonder if the A’s asked for Desme to get some work in CF.
crap, i gotta get to the games now!
"If Bowden was a general contractor, he'd build houses with nine bedrooms, six garages, no bathrooms, and half a roof."
by DyeLongJustice on Oct 13, 2009 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the answer is PLEASE HAVE GAMEDAY, PLEASE HAVE GAMEDAY.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 13, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow.
MLB is far and away the best e-sport.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
It really is...
it would be cool though if football put gps trackers in the helmets and football so you could see all the little dots like x’s and o’s across the field.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 13, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Once they get the ball set up for goal line plays I'll worry about the rest of it.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
civilian GPS
isn’t quite accurate enough for that. You’d see a big cloud of players in the general region around the ball.
Also, holy shit is the wikipedia GPS article detailed!
Thats where the military-industrial-football complex comes in.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 13, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah ive got both games up
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 13, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
question about the Fall Leagues
is it safe to say that the standard of pitching there isn’t as high as in the minors?
Either teams don’t want their best pitchers to get in too much work, or there being sent there to work on specific things?
Or am I just flailing in the dark
Yeah thats close
Also hitting in AZ is like hitting space, the air is so thin. If someone completely dominates the league thats good, but you shouldn’t be using slash stats for projections.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 13, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently Adam Loewen is trying to make it as a position player, and it's not going too well... funny.....
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
well i mean its not really funny when you consider that pretty much everytime he would throw a pitch his arm would litterally break
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 13, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Final lines in the AFL game
Desme 0-4 3Ks 1BB
Weeks 1-4 2b 1BB
Brown 1-4 1K
Storey 1 IP 0H 0 R 1 BB 0K
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
I voted Doolittle
Not just to irritate DFA, but because his defense is so much better than Donaldson’s, and were it not for the knee injury he would have been in the big leagues this year, hailed by scouts (in spring training) as the A’s most impressive young position player.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
If not for the knee injury he could at the very least be #1 on the list
CuttheMullet, from "The Thread":
"Whenever I’m about to do something, I think "would an idiot do that?" and if they would, I do not do that thing."
Exactly. What is his expected chance for "full recovery"?
Maybe everything’s up in the air now; I assumed that by March, 2010, he’d probably be good to go. But I realize injuries are never quite that simple.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
This statement is just not true
For Doolittle to have even the same defense as Donaldson he would have to be a plus 10 run OFer, which is unlikely with his speed, or a +12.5 run 1bman, where Total Zone hates his defense, this is all with Donaldson being a horrific catcher -12.5 runs.
Doolittle has significantly less defensive value than Donaldson.
Admit it you just voted that way to piss me off.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
by designatedforassignment on Oct 13, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't seen Doolittle play 1B but I heard
he was regarded by scouts as having “gold glove potential” there. If he’s only an ok 1Bman then I agree; my understanding is that he is considered to be potentially excellent.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Let me put it this way
even if he is a GG caliber player at 1b he still wouldn’t be as valuable defensively as Donaldson. Think about this. Not one player this year put up a UZR at 1B that would make up for the positional difference between an average 1bman and an average 3bman. In history only 1 player since UZR came online in 2002 did which is Albert Pujols in 2007. If Doolittle puts up the best score from this year (the Giants’ Travis Ishikawa had a 10.4 UZR) then Donaldson can be -14.6 runs behind the plate, which is beyond absolutely horrific. At third he can still be -4.6 runs which isn’t good.
Saying that Donaldson has less defensive potential than Doolittle is just bunk.
"Since other people actually read these threads, though, probably best that your particular brand of wrongness not go completely unchallenged." - PT
There are differing opinions on me. According to Iglew "DFA is PT with a sense of humor. PT is DFA with introspective self-doubt. I like them both" but according to sirbed Im "The Stats Killer"
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