Yet Another Giambi Post
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Obviously I think there are no shortage of Giambi posts on AN right now (and can you blame anyone for wanted to talk about the return?!), but I have one more to sneak in; more of a human interest piece than making any judgment calls about his upcoming performance.
Man, have I missed Jason Giambi. I’m better than most about handling the revolving door of Athletics--it comes with the territory of being an A’s fan--but the one player that I never really got over is Jason. (Side note: Don’t listen to baseballmom or baseballdad if they tell you I cried when Jose Canseco was traded; sixteen year old girls will cry at anything.)
I think Jason Giambi added the kind of excitement to the A’s that was so prevalent in the days of McGwire and Canseco (and yes, we all know why), but it was more than just the towering homeruns, or the extreme power numbers that we’ve been missing the last five years; the A’s were just flat-out more fun when he was around. Giambi had the kind of personality that made you like him as a person, not just as a ballplayer. He was the party boy; the straight-talker; who worked hard, played even harder, and made no apologies for either.
Because he had local ties to Anaheim, he would always make a point of jumping up into the stands before the games to visit with friends and fans. From my first-hand observations (I think I went to every A’s/Angels’ game in Anaheim during the 2000-2001 seasons), you simply couldn’t find a nicer, more accommodating player on the field at the time. Giambi always took the time to say hi to everyone around him; he talked like a regular guy, and he just seemed just like the kind of person you’d want to watch a game with.
I completely understand why he took the New York contract--I cannot begrudge him that--but at the same time, I also understand why many thought he sold not only his soul, but also his fun-loving, wild-haired, rock-star persona along with it, to play ball in New York.
I have no idea how New York has changed him, but I vividly remember his painful fall from grace. The Yankees had no problem with Giambi when he was putting up the ridiculous numbers of his first season, but as soon as the health issues started, followed shortly by the federal grand jury choosing him as their poster boy, the city had no problem piling on. Stories appeared overnight about Giambi’s partying ways and his irresponsible lifestyle. Many denounced him as a “True Yankee”, and sportswriters clamored all over each other to extract their pound of flesh.
I still missed Giambi. Not a day went during the first two seasons of his absense that I didn’t think, “What if…”. I still do. I still wonder if those years might have been different with Giambi on board. But by 2004, it didn’t seem to matter anymore. The revelation that Giambi was as deeply imbedded in the steroid mess as anyone seemed to be the final straw for not only Yankees fans, but A’s fans as well. No one wanted anything to do with him.
But things aren’t always as they seem. Not many of us had any idea of how far down the rabbit hole MLB was hiding the steroid scandal, and likewise, we never stopped to consider that Giambi wasn’t getting a very fair shake in the whole process. He made a huge, life-altering choice to take the competitive advantage, and he should be judged accordingly, but I would argue that Giambi was nowhere near the villain that he was made out to be. Giambi sold his soul to play on the New York stage, and consequently, his fall was more intense; more public, than it would have been in another city.
Despite twinges of nostalgia, I never felt truly sorry for Giambi until I read an article in 2004, in which the sportswriter questioned Jason’s lifestyle and character, in the wake of the steroid scandal. The purpose of the article was to point out that New York should have seen this coming when Giambi played for Oakland. In fact, this author claimed that eye-witnesses placed Giambi at an Upper West Side bar table-dancing at 4 a.m. two months before he signed with the Yankees. The night in question was in October of 2001; the sportswriter claimed that the A’s flew to New York up 2-0 in the Division Series.
When you are an A’s fan, and you have lost arguably one of the most painful series in recent memory, you don’t forget details. There is no way Giambi was partying in New York in 2001 up 2-0. The A’s took the first two games from the Yankees in New York, and flew home to Oakland. Was Giambi table-dancing that night in Oakland? Probably. But to make up a fact out of thin air to prove a point seems, well, disingenuous at best. And really unfair to Jason Giambi.
It wasn’t only New York. You couldn’t attend a Yankees/A’s game in Oakland for years without hearing the boos rain down on Giambi, the hurled insults rivaling the volume of the former cheers; sheer betrayal on the face of the Oakland fans as Giambi took the field in pinstripes. And really, for what? For making a decision to follow the money? For daring to admit that playing on the New York stage in front of a packed house every night had always been a dream of his? Baseball is an unfair monetary sport, as this off-season has certainly proved, and for all the criticism you can level at a person, looking for a bigger paycheck isn’t really one of them. Career moves are made for the money all the time; the business of baseball is no different. Frank Thomas left us because Toronto would pay him. Period. At least Giambi left for more than the money; he genuinely wanted everything that came with playing ball in New York.
Be careful what you wish for, I guess.
And now his career is ending, and he has returned to Oakland, and I, for one, couldn’t be happier. I want a chance for Giambi to get cheered in green and gold again; I want him to come back to a place where he can just simply play baseball, and have fun doing it. I want to forgive, and forget, and maybe even love again.
Baseball is the sport of dreams. And I’m dreaming of 2001.
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NTC
No-Trade Clause…
Wasn’t that the reason Giambi left in the first place?
by Colorado Fan on Jan 9, 2009 9:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, simply put: the A's wouldn't match what he wanted; the Yankees did
I still don’t see what people were so pissed off at him.
"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers
by baseballgirl on Jan 9, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But, um, they did match what he wanted.
The Yankees offered more money and that’s where he wanted to go.
by mikev on Jan 9, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Giambi wanted to play for the Yankees.
None of US understand that ;-), but it was true.
"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers
by baseballgirl on Jan 9, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right. I can't speak for others, but I wasn't mad that he signed with the Yankees for more money.
I was a little upsed with the way he handled the negotiations.
“Keep Art Howe and I’ll sign.” okay.
“Wait, that’s not enough. Give me 90 million and I’ll sign.” okay
“Wait, still not enough. I want a no trade clause, too.” okay, fine.
“Forget it, I’m going to the Yankees.”
by mikev on Jan 9, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
People were/are pissed because of the things he said when he left....
and rightfully so. Had he walked away with class/kept his friggin’ mouth shut noone could really be bad at him for making the best business decision he could make for himself. However, he started talking trash on Oakland. Simple as that. Not too complicated really.
by 33SwisherSweet on Jan 9, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Diplomat he was not...
…but he never was. He was excited to play for the Yankees, and as we’ve seen time and time again, players, in their excitement, say stupid things about Oakland when they are moved to a full stadium. It happens. I get that. We have the best fans around, but we can’t fill the ballpark for our players.
"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers
by baseballgirl on Jan 9, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A Yankee must have the deepest commitment, the most serious mind. This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away … to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph. Adventure. Heh. Excitement. Heh. A Yankee craves not these things. He was reckless.
a man has to have something to help the petite vanilla bean scones go down @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jan 9, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So was Derek, if you remember.
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
by Poppy on Jan 9, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
one you or I just missed something there
a man has to have something to help the petite vanilla bean scones go down @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jan 9, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
o_O
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
by Poppy on Jan 9, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you wanna go first, or shall I?
a man has to have something to help the petite vanilla bean scones go down @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jan 9, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He is too old. Yes, too old to begin Spring Training.
by LoneStranger on Jan 9, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a good slide in him,
Like his brother.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you're gonna have to,
because now I’m not sure we’re doing what I thought we were doing.
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
by Poppy on Jan 9, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, LoneStranger is doing what I thought we were doing.
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
by Poppy on Jan 9, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i was just missing it
a man has to have something to help the petite vanilla bean scones go down @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jan 9, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
= O
"When I was a kid, having someone correct your grammar was a sign that they cared and wanted you to present yourself in the best possible light. That being said, you should really learn the difference between plurals and possessives." -- RS
by oblique on Jan 9, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't doubt Poppy on anything related to Star Wars.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Jan 9, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True, but I think the part Jason took to heart was
Were the Force flowing through you, higher you’d jump! Faster you’d move!
Open yourself to the Force you must.
it is not possible to strategize while the ball is coming towards you
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 9, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the comments were made before he ever played a game at the very overrated
Yankee stadium. It doesnt take a diplomat or rocket scientist for that matter to be a man and act with some class.
The bottom line is do not talk SHIT. Walk away with class or don’t say anything at all. Excuses are like assholes – by this time you should get the point. No need to make excuses for his behavior – he was wrong. With time, all wounds should heal. However, the continued excuses need to stop.
Accept that he was an A-1 Jackass when he left. Stop trying to tell those who were pissed off by his actions that we are wrong or that his actions were excusable. Welcome him back and hope he puts up some numbers.
by 33SwisherSweet on Jan 9, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A couple comments
do not make someone an “A-1 Jackass”…..a few comments, yes, but he was far from that. Also, he has made soooo many more positive comments about Oakland and his time here since then. Not even close to an “A-1 Jackass”..leave that to Kenny Rogers and Frank Francisco.
Yankee Stadium was anything but “very overrated”.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jan 9, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We've had this discussion before re: yankee stadium
If it were not for the players who had played there previously, it is hard to classify Yankee Stadium as anything other than a dump. Having been to 26 MLB stadiums, I’d have to rank it in the bottom half – without question.
I am not the only one with this opinion.
by 33SwisherSweet on Jan 9, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Same thing if you ignore all the presidents who lived at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Anyway, I thought Yankee Stadium, as a place to watch a game, was okay. Good transportation, okay food, pretty good sightlines even from the upper deck.
One thing to keep in mind is that Yankee Stadium is actually Yankee Stadium II. It’s not the same stadium that Ruth and Gehrig played in, not by a long shot. But if that doesn’t bother you, and you want to imagine all the history that didn’t happen in the House that Ruth Didn’t Built, well, hey you should come to the Coliseum and pretent Mt. Davis isn’t there.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Jan 9, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We have...
And of course you aren’t the only one with that opinion. I have been to more than 26 and while it will never be my favorite, I thought Yankee Stadium was a fun and special place to watch a game. While the very old school Yankees played in a very different place, it still just felt historical in there. So many playoff games in the last 15 years there and sitting there just feels like baseball and something special. It doesn’t have the best amenities or sight lines, of course not, but I sure as hell would rather watch a game there over new places I have been like Miller Park or New Busch which has all those things.
I went back with a group of friends (all West Coast baseball fans) this last summer who had not been there and wanted to see it before it closed. Not a one of them likes anything about the Yankees, but to a person, they loved going there and were ecstatic they decided to make the trip. That says a lot to me right there.
Just my feel on it and I respect a differing opinion 100% (that makes sports fun in my opinion), but I always loved watching games there.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jan 9, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I respect your differing opinion as well.
To me, a place like Fenway, blew Yankee stadium away. I hate the Bo Sox more than any other sports franchise out there and I rank Fenway at numero uno. I think that may say something about my lack of bias.
I just thought Yankee was a dump.
I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
So you’ve been to more than 26 current and former MLB stadiums? Quite impressive. I still have to make it to the likes of (Fla, TB, Atl, Hou, Tex) so I don’t think I’ll be making it to any of them any time too soon. I’m not the southern type despite my occasional use of the word honey. Ha.
by 33SwisherSweet on Jan 9, 2009 4:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
re: A-1 Jackass
I would hope that when you ever broke up with your significant other/ left a job/ or any other analogous situation you do not talk trash once you are done. Walk away without saying anything and show some maturity. An individual’s true colors show when they start running their mouths after an unfortunate break-up / separation.
Mr. A-1 Jacko had just scored ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY MILLION. Would it have been that hard to keep his mouth shut? Seriously. To defend some prima-donna athlete for acting with this level of immaturity is beyond my comprehension.
I’m just calling a spade a spade. It is that simple.
I’m beyond it now, but at the time, that is how many of us felt.
by 33SwisherSweet on Jan 9, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I found out later that they pulled over every single car
driving on that sidewalk that night…
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Jan 9, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine, I respect how you feel about it...
I just totally disagree….A couple comments don’t bug me, especially when he is trying to be funny/fit in with new town and teammates. The pro-Oakland/A’s organization comments have WAY outnumbered the negative ones for the last 7 year, plain and simple.
Nowhere near “Mr A-1 Jacko” in my opinion..not even close. And I thought that at the time, even with him being my favorite player when with the A’s.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jan 9, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
Who knows how many players have left the A’s for more money, glitzier venues, etc., but, unless I’m mistaken, only Giambi insulted Oakland (publicly, anyway). That he did so was all the more galling in light of his blue-collar, Harley-riding persona.
by Ray of Lite on Jan 9, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who claimed Giambi was classy?
He wasn’t a jackass; he just has no filter. He tells it like it is, and that’s one of the things I found really refreshing about him. He has said a LOT of great things about Oakland, and the fans.
"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers
by baseballgirl on Jan 9, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides the Lettermen comment
was there anything else that he said about Oakland?
by A'sfaninNC on Jan 9, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Telling it like it is....
“Who wants to be in Oakland anyway.”
“The only thing I miss about CA is In-n-out.”
“[The A’s haven’t won a world series in forever]” – not direct quote
Yeah, real refreshing, honey.
by 33SwisherSweet on Jan 9, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Find out what she knows. Use more honey.

a man has to have something to help the petite vanilla bean scones go down @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jan 9, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honey.

Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Jan 9, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honey.

I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 9, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
While I generically approve of posting anything to do with Jessica Alba,
that wasn’t her finest hour.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jan 9, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like he did
this:

I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 9, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Enter George Teague......
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jan 9, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Links?
I’m not sure that any of those are direct quotes. I am as disappointed with your need to embellish in order to make your point seem more valid as with the demeaning “honey” comment.
"I'm more into going home and being horizontal" - Lew Wolff
by bvank on Jan 9, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really
If you’re trying for demeaning, “toots” is so much more effective.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 9, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honey - didn't know that was demeaning. The lady at the local restaurant
calls me that every day. I take it as a compliment. I thought nothing of it.
by 33SwisherSweet on Jan 9, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to prefer "sugar tits."
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
by Poppy on Jan 9, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A big Jerky Boys fan?
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who?
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
by Poppy on Jan 9, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bring my tools down there tomorrow, tough guy.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Are you hitting on me?
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
by Poppy on Jan 9, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By calling you "tough guy?"
That would never have occurred to me as a strategy.
"When I was a kid, having someone correct your grammar was a sign that they cared and wanted you to present yourself in the best possible light. That being said, you should really learn the difference between plurals and possessives." -- RS
by oblique on Jan 9, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(it's ALL part of the LB magic...)
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"sugartough titsguy"
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
by Poppy on Jan 9, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am Tarbash
the Egyptian Magician…
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
by 5Aces on Jan 9, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have
a…small mountain lion…that I terrorize people with.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You punch your chest..
And it disappears into the crowd?
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jan 9, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's right, my friend.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good read from SJ Merc by Mark Purdy re: why A's fans hated Giambi
(apologies in advance for not figuring out how to block quote/color code this thing.)
“"It wasn’t the money,” Giambi said at his introductory New York media conference. “It was the things about playing in New York — the fans, the city, the CHANCE TO WIN, THE MANAGER, THE FRONT OFFICE AND AN OWNER WHO WANTS TO WIN”
And over the following weeks, Giambi kept dissing his former address.
For example, Giambi told the New York Post: “The West Coast differs profoundly from the traditions of the East Coast. I want to experience the incredible people and the lifestyle.”
Worst of all, he went on the David Letterman show and read off a Top 10 list of reasons he signed with the Yankees. One of the reasons: “Have you ever been to Oakland?”
Thus, when Giambi showed up at the Coliseum in a Yankees uniform the following April, he was met with more scorn and loathing than any opposing player this side of Roger Clemens. Fans booed. They threw fake money toward Giambi. They chanted: “We hate Jason” or “Sellout, sellout.” A banner was unfurled: “Jason Is Dead To Us.”
Answering questions from reporters that night, Giambi was on the defensive. He shrugged off the Letterman episode by noting that he had merely been reading a script penned by one of the show’s writers. But as reporters kept pressing him about abandoning Oakland, Giambi finally snapped.
“When’s the last time they won a World Series around here?” he asked.
It was a fair question back then. But so is this question, today: How many World Series titles did the Yankees win with Giambi during his subsequent seven seasons with the team?"
All that is attributable to Mark Purdy – the entire article is found here:
by 33SwisherSweet on Jan 9, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wait
we were meant to be throwing fake money?
man, did i lose of lot of cash that day
when did we stop using adverbs proper?
by alea iacta est on Jan 9, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty funny...
"When’s the last time they won a World Series around here?" he asked.
…considering he was a party to a few playoff losses here and there during his time in Oakland.
99 MPH with as much control as a deflating balloon - CurveballKing on H-Rod
by Scottbass on Jan 10, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nice post
I couldn’t hate him forever, as the years went by I even started to like him again (only a little). Probably because the Yankees’s “buy a world series” plan didn’t work (at least not yet). If he would have knocked the A’s out of the playoffs with a 3-run homer or something I think I would have hated him.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Jan 9, 2009 10:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait to be in the stands on opening day.
I know I booed when he came back to us in pinstripes. I booed not just because he went to the hated Yankees, I booed because it was fun. He was one of us and then he became one of them. Am I supposed to cheer that he’s now hitting HRs against us instead of for us? Or respectfully sit there in my seat?
But now that he’s gonna be back and help this young team make the most of what they are, hopefully giving us some more good memories in the process, I’m prepared to cheer again.
Love and Hate (or as close to them as you can get as a fan watching baseball) aren’t that far apart on the passion scale and it isn’t always hard to flip the switch the other way.
by LoneStranger on Jan 9, 2009 10:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Amen, sister.
Let's Go Oakland! clap clap clapclapcl-- damn, I think I sprained my wrist...
by SF Geoff on Jan 9, 2009 10:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
i'm just glad he took THEIR money
and gave them 0 rings in return.
he also hit 30+ homers last year. he will make us better.
no. hard. feelings.
by jaylikewise on Jan 9, 2009 10:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Giambi the Talker
Regarding Giambi’s personality, I’ve always had fond memories of his talkativeness when playing 1B. The man was always chatting up a storm when someone reached. It made the contest seem more like kids enjoying a ballgame than employees doing a job. I hope Giambi does get some field time this year.
"No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball." - Connie Mack
by GoA's on Jan 9, 2009 11:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
It was traitorious.
Giambi was supposed to lead us past the Yankees. We had two shots at them in the postseason, and Giambi did everything he could, and just as we were this close – and we all knew that 2002 would be the year – he bolted to the very team he was supposed to lead us past. Of course I booed him. I’m a f—-ing fan, not a goddam robot.
Since I like stories, what would be better than the prodigal son returning to lead the team he forsaked (forsook?) past the hated Yankees?
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Jan 9, 2009 11:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
For that first year or so
I felt exactly the same way.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 9, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, I got over it after a few years.
I thought it would never end after this game, but watching him get hung out to dry at second the next day made me realize he was just another guy.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Jan 9, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what would be better?
Beane trading him back to the Yankees in June, and the A’s winning the World Series.
a man has to have something to help the petite vanilla bean scones go down @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jan 9, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Beane trading him for Swisher and the A’s winning the WS.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Jan 9, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stay out of my head, you!
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lovely writing
Hey, speaking of that 2001 series, does anyone else remember Giambi getting pissed at Miggy for a critical baserunning gaffe? Not that he learned from it…
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 9, 2009 11:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
How I remember the 2001 series:
1. Giambi getting pissed at Miggy.
2. Eric Byrnes
3. Jermaine Dye breaking his leg.
4. Jeremy Giambi
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Jan 9, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
5. A Young Barry Zito carving up a decrepit old Yankee lineup in game 2
IIRC, the curve was in rare form that evening.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Jan 9, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The part I missed
Posada taking Zito deep for the only run of that game. I was in the bathroom.
I was at the game when Dye broke his leg, too. Hottest day ever.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 9, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I missed an important soccer match for that game
People were pissed I skipped out, but took pity ‘caus it was such a lousy game. Sure wasn’t a rain delay on that day.
"No matter what I talk about, I always get back to baseball." - Connie Mack
by GoA's on Jan 9, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: #2
Haha….Man did he look over-matched in that at bat.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jan 9, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just unfair.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Jan 9, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I'm sure we all remember
that baserunning gaffe and at such a critical time in the game and series.
by jdub69 on Jan 9, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nicely written
Your passion is really wonderful, BBG!
"Don't be an ass!" --Bill King
by batgirl on Jan 9, 2009 11:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Jan 9, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with your sentiments.
So I don’t like your passion.
So there.
(takes ball, goes home)
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot the . . .
Hmmph!
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Jan 9, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
TWSS
a man has to have something to help the petite vanilla bean scones go down @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jan 9, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's actually
Harumph. But well noted, madame. Well noted.
And I guess BBG didn’t wanna play anyhow.
(kicks dirt.)
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I stand corrected, sir.
Its Friday night, after all.
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Jan 9, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
...and I'm still at work.
(sigh)
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry!
I wish I had that cute doggy picture for you. It means that business is good for you, so yeah.
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Jan 9, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I had a dog.
I need a dog to share the shop with. A shop dog.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You do!
They are great for morale. I adore my shop dog.
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Jan 9, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want a basset hound for the shop.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you a basset hound?
It might could be a good fit.
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Jan 9, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, maybe if you work really hard,
study regularly and get accepted and degreed at a good school to hopefully one day become a teacher and make something of your trainwreck of a life, your brother will buy an apparently cursed sign shop in the asscrack of the lower 48 and you can spend 16-18 hours days there, cursing the fact that you’re neither accepted by the intellectual socialists with whom you relate so well and share myriad philosophical sameness (because you are, after all, participating quite heavily in capitalism and consumerism of the worse effing kind) nor are you accepted by the blue-collar crowd who frequent your establishment and physically surround you in aforementioned asscrack. Then your life will be content.
No, wait, that’s me. Sorry.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have an urge to smack you across the face right now,
in a most Cher-like manner.
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Jan 9, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course,
I’d be really sorry after.
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Jan 9, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
(I'd prolly like it)
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 10, 2009 12:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew there was a reason I liked you.
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Jan 10, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yup.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 11, 2009 1:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
**weeping, making mix tape for 2001**
Starting with “How You Remind Me” by Nickelback
by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jan 9, 2009 11:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
"How You Remind Me" of every other Nickelback song
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
by Poppy on Jan 9, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There oughta be a law.
If your band name contains a metal, you better f—-ing rock a whole lot more than that.
I heard that song on the radio the other day, and I couldn’t believe how incredibly indulgent the production was. Holy god.
A Canadian friend told me once that Canadian radio has content regulations where a certain percentage of what they play has to be Canadian. Instead of playing a variety of Canadian artists, though, it just results in “How You Remind Me” being played every hour.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Jan 9, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And there is reoccurring theme in a lot of there songs, but I just can not get my mind around what it is…
Insert double entendre here
by A'sfaninNC on Jan 9, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or if your band name contains a coin,
you better be money. Didn’t we learn anything from Quarterflash?
I think it’s “How You Remind Me” that has a fun mondegreen: “Living with me musta damn near killed you” sounds just like “little women musta damn near killed you.”
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
by Poppy on Jan 9, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or Pennywise?
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Jan 9, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or that cold-remedy tribute band, DimeTäpp
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
by Poppy on Jan 9, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I always preferred the real thing: Skid Robitussin
a man has to have something to help the petite vanilla bean scones go down @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jan 9, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to drink Robitussin,
back in the early nineties. I’m not sure what chemical I was abusing, but it was an evil high, straight out of a HST nightmare—you had permagrin like you’d overshot the mark with acid and you nodded off like a dope fiend. It was hellish.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, man, Harry S Truman nightmares are the WORST ...
a man has to have something to help the petite vanilla bean scones go down @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jan 12, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks BBG
I feel the same way. G is a genuine guy whose personality (and ability to mash) make him easy to cheer for. If I was mad about anything while he was gone it was that he simply was not on the team. I have missed him just the same as I have missed Tejada and Hudson because when they were here it was great times and I have wanted those times back. The troubling thing for me this year may be getting over the expectations that he will be in 2002 form – as if the Yankee years never happened. Here’s hoping that he is nearly as good as he was then.
"I'm more into going home and being horizontal" - Lew Wolff
by bvank on Jan 9, 2009 12:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
2001
I was at game 5 in NY, and a 5’5’’ dude with a mustache, russian arm-barred me, and pulled me onto the seat in front. I almost crushed this silver-haired lady and he apologized. Then he revealed he was an off-duty police officer with badge. classic.
by greenpaddedgloves on Jan 9, 2009 1:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Does this make anyone feel better?
In Oakland, in 6 full seasons (don’t count 1995), he averaged 30 HR / 108 RBI; in NY, he averaged 30 HR / 86 RBI. But they paid a LOT more for him, and I didn’t adjust for the ballpark.
Sweet vindication would be if Jason has another 30 / 100 season here on the (relative) cheap. Even if he doesn’t, he was much better value for the A’s.
it is not possible to strategize while the ball is coming towards you
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 9, 2009 2:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
"I know they're the defending World Champs, but they are the whiniest team in baseball" -Rays announcers
by baseballgirl on Jan 9, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Letterman comment
Sorry if this has already been explicitly posted, but can someone remind me exactly what he said on Letterman? Thanks.
by sacto on Jan 9, 2009 3:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/top_ten/index/php/20011214.phtml
Not all that bad (the one about Oakland), but I’d prefer it if he would have refused to disrespect his former home team – you know, the one he just crawled back to.
Number #10 is hilarious now in light of the fact that it’s been 110 months since they’ve won anything.
by 33SwisherSweet on Jan 9, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Giambi
Two thoughts immediately came to my mind when I found out that the A’s were close to signing Giambi
1. Signing Giambi to a one year deal with an option for a second obviously helps the worst offense in the AL last year. With Billy Beane trading away any true major league player with the exception to his favorites ( Chavez and Ellis ) the A’s linup was finding it hard to rack up 7-8 hits per night let alone put a few runs on the board. With the addition of Matt Holliday and now Giambi, and you add Cust and a healthy Chavez to the middle of the A’s linup, that forms one of the best 3-6 hitter combinations in the league. The A’s will score runs this year but it is going to depend on whether the A’s young pitching staff to keep the A’s in the hunt.
2. Will the Oakland A’s fans welcome Giambi back? Like many other hardcore A’s fans I was heartbroken when Jason turned down the A’s six-year $91 million contract offer at the last second. Not only did he rip the hearts out of fans by leaving but joined the powerhouse Yankees in what was an ultimate choice of betrayal. I tore down my lifesize Giambi poster hanging in the garage and like many other fans booed Jason every time he came up to bat when the Yankees visited town. It has been seven years since Jason last wore a A’s uniform and although I will never be able to completly forgive Jason for what he did, A’s fans need to realize we now need him more than ever.
by Oakland is part of the A's on Jan 9, 2009 5:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
According to today's Chron, this week's ticket sales
(basically since the Giambi signing) have been 2-3 times the normal amount.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jan 9, 2009 6:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to buy season tickets anyway,
but Jason’s return makes that choice a little more intriguing. Its kind of fitting, his return. He’s a bit of an underdog now, just as the A’s have been.
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Jan 9, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No you weren't "about to buy season tickets anyway"
You were waiting to see if the A’s signed Garret Anderson. Just admit it.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jan 9, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Caught!
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Jan 9, 2009 7:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But serious,
I’ll be at Ticket Services on Tuesday to seal the deal, and I’m excited! Is it April yet?
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Jan 9, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's actually a valid point about him being an underdog again.
The whole “Wrestler” motif…hmmm, maybe by April the resentment will die down…
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THAT
will be part of the intrigue.
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Jan 9, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Him being an underdog
or me getting over my resentment toward him?
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Both.
I’m hoping he can help the team and, in doing so, overcome your feelings of resentment.
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Jan 9, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.
I’m not sure my resentments are tied to his helping the team or not.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know,
and at first I was pretty angry when he left. Like BBG said though, you get used to that. Greener fields and all, that’s life.
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Jan 9, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never seen a greener field
than Oakland in the spring.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It takes my breath away!
I can’t hardly wait!
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Jan 9, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have images of
Tom Cruise on a motorcycle now. Kelly McGillis.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lying on the couch, he walks in.
"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson
by lynnzgal on Jan 9, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Wrestler? You mean like mickey rourke?
Am i gonna have to start talkin about the thong again?
by oaklidiot on Jan 10, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I almost never have a chance to form an opinion about
a player as a person from first-hand experience, but Jason Giambi happens to be the last player standing whom I knew from my days as broadcaster in Medford, OR. He was a genuinely nice person from what I could see, both to me and to others.
Now that was 17 years ago (crap, I’m old) and pre-steroids, Yankees, and so on. But it’s all I have to go on and I have to say I only have good things to say about him from personal experience. And I’m jazzed that he’s back because I think the guy can still hit.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jan 9, 2009 6:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
(sigh)
I’m sure he’s a nice man.
But but but but…he broke our hearts.
I see a deranged rabbit, on fire, cowering away from a vagina. I await the results of the Rorschaschererer. -Nico
by Leopold Bloom on Jan 9, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm totally stoked as well Nico.
I know there are alot of A’s fans on this site that were not happy about him coming back. But, I am not one of those people. I have been looking forward to his immenent return for months now. Let’s do this bitches!!!!!
by mrod on Jan 9, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
now get sheets!!
not linen, nor cotton
that's gold jerry, gold!!!
by 9Custs on Jan 9, 2009 9:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree that the press was too hard on Jason...
regarding steroids. I think they were easy on him; always mentioning his apology (albeit non-admittance) . They have not hounded him because of that.
by IM4Oakgal on Jan 9, 2009 11:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
well written!
I’m happy he has returned. i had the chance to talk with jason a number of times during his days with the a’s and he always took the time to answer questions and pose for photos. just a decent guy. well written baseballgirl!
johnr
by captainfantastic on Jan 10, 2009 11:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
great job, BBG. I think what also factored in for oaklanders was not just that the move was to New York (the money, the glitz,— and NY is a great town for sure— nothing like it), but that it seemed to fit so much into the east coast sports bias complex, and the corporate dominance thing. Regardless, Oakland/NewYork is the classic David/Goliath theater set, etc. Anyway— time for the scraggly beard to grow back; we could use a good story in 2009, so more butts in seats watching Jason and Holliday (if we still have our jobs to pay for the tickets) may be just what the doctor ordered.
by oaklidiot on Jan 10, 2009 3:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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