The Starting Pitcher Market

by Warriors510 on Jan 6, 2009 11:04 AM PST

Now that we're seeing prices drop. I really hope beane has enough money left to get 1 proven SP.

-Right now we got ducherer, who is off an injury but still quality. Gallagher and eveland dont strike me as better than #3's and very blanton esque. Gio Gonzalez is young. Braden I'm not sold on as a starter...Outman I don't know enough about, and Brett Anderson and Trevor Cahill are just 20 and only pitched double A, they could use atleast another year.

A starting pitcher on a 1 to 3 year deal who is a proven commodity would be enough to put us in a very competitive situation for playoffs this year, and give your young arms 1 more year to develop.

I heard Ben Sheets was looking at 2 year 20-25 mil offers. He does have injury concerns but he is a quality pitcher. Randy Wolf and Paul Byrd are available too. Anyway I'm having a hard time finding articles on pitchers available and potential suitors/prices for them.

Our current lineup will go:

1 Sweeney

2 Suzuki

3 Giambi

4 Holiday

5 Chavez

6 Cust

7 Crosby

8 Barton/Buck/Cunningham

9 Ellis

a HUGE improvement, and possibly better than anahiems.... if we could get a solid 1 or 2 pitcher (like sheets) or rotation could be sheets, ducherer, gallagher, eveland, braden which i think would be good enough for playoffs.....

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Just a note:

when you say “now that we are seeing the prices drop”, I assume you are basing this off of the Giambi and Burrell signings.

It is important to remember that the SP market is different from the DH(/1B) market.

Im not saying that pitchers won’t come at any discount, but I strongly doubt you’ll see anything like the Giambi signing (which Fangraphs puts at roughly 75 cents on the dollar)

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by oakinboston on Jan 6, 2009 11:10 AM PST reply actions

no, i saw gammons saying offers for sheets, and others arent what they expected….. because aside from yankees and red sox no1 is really jumping into huge contracts…. look at derek lowe…..

sheets i think is more injury concern though. but i mean guys who would command 12-15 mil are probably more attainable for 8-12

by Warriors510 on Jan 6, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions

also

is that a batting lineup with cust 6th and crosby 7th? my head just exploded.

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by oakinboston on Jan 6, 2009 11:13 AM PST reply actions

hahahaha

why? If chavy gets back to hitting i almost like giambi 5 and cust 6…. talk about eating 15 pitches in a row

by Warriors510 on Jan 6, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions

mine evaporated

X-Files style.

by mrod on Jan 6, 2009 11:16 AM PST reply actions

2 more scrap heap off the board

pavano to indians
jason johnson to yanks

by Asfan4ever723 on Jan 6, 2009 12:46 PM PST reply actions

Who's Jason Johnson?

I’ve never heard of this player.

If you’re going dumpster diving, get Mulder and Colon, who at least have the upside of #2 starters. Probably wouldn’t require more than $1 million in guaranteed money (plus incentives, of course).

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by PaulThomas on Jan 6, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions

Johnson is the diabetic, tall and lanky,

came up with good stuff but never became more than a #5 starter. I agree – the guys to take fliers on are Mulder and Colon, maybe F. Garcia.

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by Nico on Jan 6, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions

interesting analysis

from philliies blog…. top pitchers organized w/ expected income

http://www.philliesnation.com/archives/2008/12/the-starting-pitcher-market/

by Warriors510 on Jan 6, 2009 12:53 PM PST reply actions

what could have been

Geez, our pitching would look a whole lot better if we still had Harden and Gaudin instead of Gallagher. What was Beane thinking about last summer?

by BobM on Jan 6, 2009 4:38 PM PST reply actions

i understood trading harden

cause of injur problem… but i never got gallagher, patterson and murton…. all r mediocre AT best

by Warriors510 on Jan 6, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions

I don't think the A's feel Gallagher will be mediocre

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by Nico on Jan 6, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions

Mediocre AT best?

Maybe mediocre COMPARED TO best… assuming you mean Jahvid Best…

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by PaulThomas on Jan 6, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions

compared to Best, none of them will be Starrs

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by monkeyball on Jan 6, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions

you can't simply ignore donaldson

and the fact that the harden market wasn’t all that strong. and that it could fall at any moment with a broken something in harden’s body.

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by travdog6 on Jan 6, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions

"a broken something in harden’s body."

is that underneath the strained whatchmacallit?

by mrod on Jan 6, 2009 11:53 PM PST reply actions

well,

that technically that’s correct. i should have said a “broken anything” to clarify that anything is liable to break in harden’s body. i shouldn’t have used an actual body part, the “something”, which is underneath the “whatchamacallit” ;)
on a side note, i am no longer a licensed doctor

by travdog6 on Jan 7, 2009 1:31 AM PST up reply actions

gallagher...

didnt realize he was BARELY 23. For some reason i thought he was older.

anyway looking up his minor league stats from double A and above (he spend a fair amount of time in big leagues too which is why IP is low for a 2+ year minor league total)
233 IP
2.82 era
19-10
225 K’s
105 walks…

i take it back, maybe he will turn out to be a better than average starter.

eitherway i’d love to bring 1 veteran starter to the staff w/ duke, gallagher, eveland, braden/gonzalez

by Warriors510 on Jan 7, 2009 9:25 AM PST reply actions