What Are Your Predictive Measures Of Choice?
Whether you lean more towards numbers, or observations, you probably watch players and form an opinion on how good they are and how good you think they will be. You may observe a promising young player's high BABIP and conclude that the worst is yet to come, .300 average be darned, or you may observe a player laying off a late-breaking two-strike slider and conclude that the best is yet to come, .200 average be darned.
Today's discussion will center around hitters. Here are some of the more physical measures that I have found most reliable in watching young players:
* To what extent does the ball "jump off their bat"? For some hitters, the bat appears lighter and the ball smaller as contact is made - more like an aluminum bat whacking a golf ball and less like a big log hitting a bowling ball. As examples, I noticed this quickly with Jose Lopez (Mariners), Howie Kendrick (Angels), and the dearly departed, strike zone judgment challenged Carlos Gonzalez. I've seen it in Kurt Suzuki when he is rested, I have seen it in Aaron Cunningham, but I have not especially seen it in Ryan Sweeney.
* Is their swing short and quick, especially through the strike zone? The longer a hitter can see a pitch and still make solid contact, the better off he will be. In September, 2007, Daric Barton appeared able to see the ball almost into the catcher's glove and yet still uncoil to pull a fastball into the right field corner. What happened with Barton in 2008 remains an utter mystery to me.
* How is their pitch recognition? This has been one of Bobby Crosby's biggest achilles heels, while Ryan Sweeney seems able to sit back without guessing and react to pitches well in real time. Some hitters may pick up grips and seams out of the pitcher's hand better than others, some may just track pitches better as the ball moves or breaks, but this skill appears to be a difficult one to teach compared to teaching swing mechanics or maximizing force at the point of contact. You kind of have pitch recognition or you don't, and it doesn't take long to see which players have it and which players are your starting shortstop.
* Can they hit the ball hard to all fields? It is just such an advantage to be able to spread the defense out, and to be able cover all parts of the strike zone, by hitting line drives to all fields. Players who mostly pull the ball (Jack Cust), or who mostly wait for pitches they can slap the other way (anyone nicknamed "Pesky"), are just so much easier to pitch and to defend. In other words, Eric Chavez when he's hot is a pitcher's nightmare, while Eric Chavez when he's cold is a pitcher's dream.
So these are some of the things I watch for in evaluating a hitter's projected long-term success. Here's your chance to weigh in with some of the things you look for, be they observational or statistical in nature, in trying to do one of the hardest jobs in all of baseball: predict a player's performance going forward.
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Hitting the ball hard to all fields is a key for me...it was DJ's downfall
It goes hand in hand with waiting till the last possible moment to swing. That was my downfall. I could never catch up with a high fastball without cheating.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 6, 2009 6:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Cheating
There’s nothing wrong with sitting on a pitch or guessing once in awhile – without it, major league hitters would never be able to hit they way they do. Everyone – even Pujols – gets fooled on pitches once in awhile.
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by Kyle Boddy on Jan 6, 2009 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Once in a while yes. With all pitches over 80 MPH no. I was no prospect.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 6, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where they make contact
For example… Ryan Sweeney is a guy that is easy to project as a fellow who will develop power. I am usually skeptical of such things, but in his case it is more than a big frame that can hold more muscle than it presently does. I watch him and see that he makes a lot of contact out in front, not out on hsi fornt foot but towards the tail end of the “contact zone.”
With his, already mentioned by Nico, ability to lay of crappy pitches, his potential to add strength to his frame and the opportunity to learn to let the ball get just a bit further into the wheel house before swinging on a more regular basis… it is easy to see why some people expect him to develop more power.
Additionally, there was a home run he hit in Toronto where all of this came together. I think ti was shortly after the all star break. I just remember he put a good swing, on a good pitch and he let the ball get more into his happy zone and he crushed a tape measure job. Of course doing it once and developing it into a habit are some very different things.
by jeffro on Jan 6, 2009 6:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
yes...
everything you say about Sweeney is what those less enthusiatic about him fail to see. Swooney is a keeper.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jan 6, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus confidence
which of course, if you have all the attributes listed above going for you, then confidence comes easy. I look for a hitter that doesn’t get too down on himself during bad spells as well. Sweeney indeed looks like a very good player so far, displaying all of the above.
by oaklidiot on Jan 6, 2009 7:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Heart. Grit. Scrappiness. Ability to "do the little things"
Giving himself up for the team.
Stuff like that.
by mikev on Jan 6, 2009 8:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The reluctance to wear batting gloves
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jan 6, 2009 8:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shaving in the dugout on days off.
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by oblique on Jan 6, 2009 8:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What his wife looks like
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 6, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
MARK KOTSAY IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF MLB!!!!!!
by mikev on Jan 6, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jose Lima was pretty good, too
But he was a pitcher, so never mind.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 6, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But he never has to worry
about getting wet when in rains.
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by alox on Jan 6, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Obligatory Gratuitous Mrs Lima shot

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by doctorK on Jan 6, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping....
someone would post this.
A player who knows how to spend money wisely that Lima….
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by alox on Jan 6, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They malke quite a pair, don't they?
I mean Jose and his wife. Geez.
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by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 6, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*make
or maybe I meant milk. Please stop me.
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by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 6, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes me want to play
in Silicon Valley.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
by alox on Jan 6, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ah, yes, i remember those posts...i mean posting
and photo.
alaska A residing in colorado.
by ak_A on Jan 6, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and we were getting along so well for a while there
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by monkeyball on Jan 6, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My factors
Do they have a five frame swing? Meaning, at launch, does the bat get from the start of handle torque to contact in five frames or less?
Do they use all fields? Self-explanatory.
Do they see a lot of pitches per AB? Self-explanatory for anyone who has read Moneyball.
Are they fooled on offspeed pitches? If they can’t hit breaking balls, it will be evident very quickly – and they won’t be playing at AA or above. However, there are many great hitters who can’t handle changeups. That’s what I look for.
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by Kyle Boddy on Jan 6, 2009 8:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd assume normal NTSC TV fps.
30.
by danmerqury on Jan 6, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure this is right
Manny Ramirez, for example, has a four-frame swing from footplant at 30 fps.
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by notsellingjeans on Jan 6, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Giambi to sign for $5.25 million
1 year $4 million w/ $1.25 buyout for 2009 + option for another $4 miilion in ’10
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by athleticsBB4life on Jan 6, 2009 8:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Whats that have to do with scouting a hitter?
by A'sfaninNC on Jan 6, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what's half the stuff on this thread have to do w/ scouting a hitter?
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by athleticsBB4life on Jan 6, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cool!
Wonder what kind of reception he will get at the Coli? Now I’m bummed that there is no fanfest this year. Jason would have been a big draw and an interesting interview. Not to mention a golden opportunity to trash NY and A-Rod.
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by alox on Jan 6, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All of the above are good but I also
look through comparison reports and if there is any mention of Bobby Crosby or praise from Peter Gammons, I know that there will be not victory in Muddville that day or hitting form said hitter.
by A'sfaninNC on Jan 6, 2009 9:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Slightly OT: Someone on Halosheaven is trying to compare our respective farm systems
by Trainman on Jan 6, 2009 9:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hehe
It’s funny how the poster thinks that Dallas Braden has a high ceiling.
Say something funny.
by muffinpryde on Jan 6, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Quick! Trade him for Wood or Rodriguez!
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 6, 2009 4:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hitters
In terms of stat. analysis, a hitter should have an OBP of .60-.80 higher than BA, or better,
after a moderate sample size.
I like to see if a hitter hits hittable pitches in his zone or fouls them off, or swings through.
Did giambi just follow one of the most poseur, greedy, FA departures with the most outrageously discounted home-coming?
by greenpaddedgloves on Jan 6, 2009 9:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
didn't the A's offer him similar money to NYY
but he bolted with the famous last words “it’s my best shot at winning a championship”?
by jlanning17 on Jan 6, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Similar Money
A’s- 91 Million
Yanks- 120 Million
I think a 30 million dollar gap is outside the bounds of “similar.” Others are free to disagree :)
by jeffro on Jan 7, 2009 7:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not going to disagree
my memory just failed me
by jlanning17 on Jan 7, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We need a new Giambi thread
also, I wish we’d taken a poll on what salary people would switch to the “sign Giambi” camp. Looking back I’ve already found a handful of people that were at the $5/6m mark, and I’d be curious to hear what they say now.
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by oakinboston on Jan 6, 2009 10:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
as someone initially opposed to the concept of the signing ...
… I think it’s cheap enough to be a good deal (depending, of course, on what Dunn ends up signing for).
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by monkeyball on Jan 6, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Basically this.
I think he’ll be, overall, a marginal upgrade — it’s been gone over before, but pretty much on the magnitude of about 1 to 1.5 wins over Barton.
At the previously speculated deals, 2 or 3 years and something like 8 to 10 million per season, I was absolutely against it.
For 6.5M guaranteed, it’s a little more sensible. However, like monkeyball said, if Adam Dunn gets signed for 10M per season I’ll whine and cry about not getting him instead of Giambi.
by mikev on Jan 6, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he'll do a lot more than1.5 wins over Barton
and he’ll have a major impact, jelling well w/ the youngsters and Holliday’s lumber. Just a feeling.
by oaklidiot on Jan 6, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think that?
It’s been gone over multiple times here. Barton is projected to be 1.2 wins better than Giambi on defense, and when you consider that he’ll probably be a better hitter this year AND Giambi probably won’t be as good as he’s been before, the gap is a lot smaller than people think it’s going to be.
That said, $4M (5.25 guaranteed including 2010 buyout) is a reasonable price to pay for a 1-1.5 win upgrade.
by mikev on Jan 6, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I read all that
and it’s good stuff, but like I say. . . it’s just a feeling I have (a hunch). I think he’ll really be motivated, and I think he still has a lot left in his bat.
by oaklidiot on Jan 6, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you, oaklidiot
I don’t think Giambi will be a holy grail, but I think the upgrade from Barton will be more than the modest 1.0-1.5 number. Partly because I think his defense is a tad underrated, especially when paired with Ellis, because Giambi is pretty proficient fielding ground balls near him and in scooping throws in the dirt. And also because I think the offensive upgrade will be substantial in giving the A’s a 1Bman good for 25HRs and a .360 OBP, and turning the true “heart of the order” from three hitters to four. It’s a big difference.
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by Nico on Jan 6, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, for 5 million I'm not complaining.
I’ll cheer when Giambi hits a bomb, and I’ll cheer if he scoops a bad throw, but I’m pretty sure that I’ll puke if he grows that godawful moustache again.
by mikev on Jan 6, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How bout the goatee and the locks?
or maybe, like the gold thong, he’s gettin a bit old for that?
by oaklidiot on Jan 6, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that was the poster from pismo beach.
alaska A residing in colorado.
by ak_A on Jan 6, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol... projections over Barton
god, Daric was horrific last year! What did he “project” to last year. I fucking hate projections. I guess you can put me in the camp of “evaluating a player based on what he actually fucking does,” Nico.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jan 6, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
Beane got a steal.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jan 6, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer it to Dunn
because I’d rather go with Buck/Cunningham/Barton from ’10 on and spend FA money elsewhere.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
by mikeA on Jan 6, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
mrod wants to know specifically which free agents you propose signing in a year
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by monkeyball on Jan 6, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
old-school: can he catch up with the fastball down the pipe
Obligatory small sample and uneducated/spotty eyewitness anecdote caveats aside, Cunningham in his cup o’ coffee last year simply couldn’t make contact with straight-as-a-line fastballs over the plate. The league will likely keep feeding him those until he proves he can hit ‘em with authority (and, as I’ve guessed before, I think he’ll have a Byrnesesque “breakout month” in ‘09 or ’10 where he makes solid contact on a steady diet of fastballs, and then go back to waving at ’em once they’re mixed in with junk).
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by monkeyball on Jan 6, 2009 10:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm still wondering what exactly you think he was hitting in the minors
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by PaulThomas on Jan 6, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea
As I say, this is uneducated/spotty eyewitness anecdote — but watching him bat, he was just flat-out missing straight fastballs. Maybe, as has been hypothesized with his fielding, he was just pressing and trying too hard.
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by monkeyball on Jan 6, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine that's what it was
That’s the “being 22” part we also saw with Gio. The one pitch you will see over and over in the minors is a good fastball over the plate, and Cunningham hit far too well throughout the minors for me to think he has difficulty with that pitch.
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by Nico on Jan 6, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I judge other hitters
by my height
Save Rajai Davis
by oakinboston on Jan 6, 2009 10:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers who announce their presence with authority.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jan 6, 2009 12:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's why I like Santa Claus
He announces his presents with authority. Then again, so did the three wise men.
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by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 6, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, they lost me with the myrrh
Imagine you’re hoping for an iPod, and you find out it’s myrrh.
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by Nico on Jan 6, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You should have hired a lawyer to file a de-myrrh-er
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by monkeyball on Jan 6, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cust doesn't really pull everything
He has very strong pull tendencies on balls hit on the ground (singles and ground outs) but when he hits the ball more solidly (fly outs, doubles, and home runs) it goes to all fields, in fact slightly more to RF than to LF. That’s pretty typical of most power hitters (and for that matter many non-power hitters), and while it does make an infield shift effective, I’m not convinced that those players are really easier to defend than the slap hitters. They also tend to have high BABIP (n.b. not luck).
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by andeux on Jan 6, 2009 1:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
why doesn't he go the other way more often
most of his hr’s go the other way, but when he tries to pull the ball he often rolls over or pops up or whiffs (and no im not going to back this up with evidence cause i am lazy, and still in bed). im surprised the coaching staff hasnt said anything about this (or that nothings been done). altho on the other hand, probably not wise to mess with what cust is doing.
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by travdog6 on Jan 6, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Most important indicators?
Hitters: Batted ball velocity (i.e. how fast the ball jumps off the bat)
Pitches per plate appearance
K/BB ratio
Pitchers: K/BB ratio
Ground ball rate
Fastball movement
Control of offspeed pitches
Swinging strike rate
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by PaulThomas on Jan 6, 2009 2:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Giambi Upgrade
Keith Law projects Giambi to be an upgrade of “probably two wins…”
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3813830&name=law_keith
by greenpaddedgloves on Jan 6, 2009 2:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
oops
“—probably two full wins—…”
sorry, Keith
by greenpaddedgloves on Jan 6, 2009 2:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
that's 2 full wins *as a DH* over the A's '08 DH production -- presuming he never touches a glove in anger
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by monkeyball on Jan 6, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is one of the best articles about hitting I've ever read
http://blog.swingtraining.net/2006/07/18/jeff-francoeur-and-the-x-factor.aspx
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Jan 6, 2009 2:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, NSJ
This is an excellent horizon expander for me. Why I love this blog
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by Buck Turgidson on Jan 6, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you want horizon expansion, check out the above pic of Mrs. Lima
Shot in profile.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Jan 6, 2009 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Surprised nobody has recommended Mrs. Lima as a new stadium site.
Long porch.
I could even live with “The Oakland Athletics of Mrs. Lima.”
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by The Dogfather on Jan 6, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds interesting
Hope you’ll keep me abreast.
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by Nico on Jan 6, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have a favorite?
Or will it be tit-for-tat?
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by The Dogfather on Jan 6, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd perform an EIR on that
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by monkeyball on Jan 6, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
Jeff Albert (the author of that article) is terrific.
Pretty cool how that article was written when Francoeur was doing very well (July ’06) and how accurately it predicted his future woes.
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by notsellingjeans on Jan 6, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is why bat velocity isn't a good measure for a hitter
Or, put another way, Newton’s second law,
Force = Mass * Acceleration.
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by rfloh on Jan 6, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never understood that formula,
but on the other hand I never really went to church.
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by Nico on Jan 6, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ability to Foul of Good 2 Strike Pitches....
See Werth… Jayson
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by Duby on Jan 6, 2009 4:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused by this, given Werth's horrible strikeout rate
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by PaulThomas on Jan 6, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Think You're Confused...
You already stated “Pitches per Plate Appearance” as a Predictive Measure, I merely stated a similar facet of the game, using an observational terrm instead of a “statistic” Pitches per Plate Appearance is derived by your batting eye, overall hitting talent, as well ability to foul off good pitches (amongst other things)., therefore its something I look for when measuring a hitter while actually watching the game.
I’m really not looking it up, but I’m pretty sure Werth is one of the best in that particular category. Sure he may have a “horrible strikeout rate”.. but the number of fastballs he crushed after fouling off 2 or 3 good sliders is something I don’t think you can calculate… And if you can let me know what your findings are…
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by Duby on Jan 6, 2009 7:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitches per plate appearance is mostly a result of taking balls
David Eckstein and Placido Polanco are great at fouling off pitches when the opportunity comes up, but they don’t work deep into counts. It’s pretty much a measure of your contact rate, and Werth’s is well below average.
I mean, if you have something that says he fouls a lot of pitches off, fine, but I’m not believing it until I see it. The Jayson Werth I saw in the postseason had unusual (for an MLB starter) difficulty making contact with pitches. Doesn’t make him a bad player, just not a player who’s good at that particular skill.
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by PaulThomas on Jan 6, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Monkey
You are correct, however I thought it may be useful to note that Barton’s numbers at 1B were worse than Keith Law’s DH Stats for last year. Barton slugged .049 worse than our DHs, indicating Giambi may still be around +2 wins
by greenpaddedgloves on Jan 6, 2009 5:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
When Evaluating Players
I look for the mustache.
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Jan 6, 2009 7:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's why you're terrible
at predicting the NCAA Women’s Final Four.
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by Nico on Jan 6, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ya but i projected Rollie Finger's career pretty well
no to mention Eck’s career as well.
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Jan 7, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tom Singer says it's official
1yr, 3.5 mil. wow
by greenpaddedgloves on Jan 6, 2009 7:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
pending physical
by greenpaddedgloves on Jan 6, 2009 7:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I just hope he doesn't fail the mental!
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by Nico on Jan 6, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or the ethereal
Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough
by andeux on Jan 6, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
by tomorrow, Jason will be paying the A's to play for them
… and Mike Scioscia will be extended to 2077.
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by monkeyball on Jan 6, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not forget the swagger factor!
Giambi has it. The A’s have been lacking it since Swish left. I think it’s helpful to have some confidence on a team, and I really think Giambi is a +5 in wins for the A’s. He’ll have a much better year than expected because he will be so much happier here and the leader on the team. Now we need another arm, Andruw Jones in CF and somebody else at SS. I’m getting more excited for ‘09 all the time. Go A’s!
by A'sfansince1970 on Jan 6, 2009 8:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
5 wins may be a stretch, but I also think 1.5 is low
Call it 3 wins: 1.5 for improvement at 1B and 1.5 for swaggah.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jan 6, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

























