Why no Andruw Jones Talk?
by oaklandfan40 on Jan 4, 2009 1:12 PM PST
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/01/dodgers-deal-wi.html
With LA and Jones parting ways and our history of cheap veteran pick ups, I was just wondering why no one's suggesting Jones to the A's. He'd be a Frank Thomas-type risk/reward with a cheap contract and would give us a right handed bat to plug into the line up behind Giambi (assuming we get him).
I myself wouldn't mind a 2-5 line up heart of Cust/Holiday/Giambi/, Jones (L-R-L-R). As for the "outfield is crowded" believers; with the the exception of Holiday I don't see Buck, Davis, Sweeney putting up 30-100 seasons next year (if ever) as Jones has averaged during his career even with last year's joke of a season.
As an A's fan I doubt this (and much of the ideas discussed here) will happen, but I'm just surprised no one was talking about.
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We have been talking about it
in numerous threads. You just need to read more thoroughly/closely!
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by Nico on Jan 4, 2009 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry man
This guy isn’t who he used to be. He can’t hit and the word is he has packed on way too many “lb’s” to be that defensive stud he was earlier in his career.
I think we need to continue to focus on 1B, SS and maybe adding a veteran P.
by HRH on Jan 4, 2009 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
what explains his severe decline
40hr in 2006
about 95 rbi in 2007
1 season has plummeted his value…though i wouldnt be surprised if A’s explore this option after he gets released
by Asfan4ever723 on Jan 4, 2009 1:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
His expanding body and his Crosby-like ability to swing at low, outside sliders.
by NateHST on Jan 4, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And his Crosby like inability to make contact with them
by NateHST on Jan 4, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The grammar police say
that it’s time to ban the term “crosby-like,” not because it’s bad grammar, but because it’s so “crosby-like.”
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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jan 4, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Your kidding
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by Nico on Jan 4, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Somehow, I should be part of this...
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Jan 4, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean you should of been?
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by oblique on Jan 4, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Correcta-moon-doe
To busy checking on the local school board…
I think they are doing away with the Pledge of the Legions at the start of class.
(Hail Rome!)
Officially awaiting the 2009 season.
by One won lost won on Jan 5, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And to the republic for Richard Stands?
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by oblique on Jan 5, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's fat
and he can’t hit
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Jan 4, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this basically sums it up.
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by Kyle Boddy on Jan 5, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The ONLY way I'd take him is if...
Hu, McDonald, and maybe a couple other prospects came along with.
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by brenarlo on Jan 4, 2009 1:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think it would be a problem if McDonalds came with him
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by Zonis on Jan 4, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Reports are he's fat
slow
and done
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3809221&name=olney_buster
IMO a total waste of roster space
by Trainman on Jan 4, 2009 1:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But if he drops the weight
Isn’t he back to being a pretty good player?
by thejd44 on Jan 4, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
doesn't mean he can hit a curveball...
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by brenarlo on Jan 4, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
10-year borderline HOF candidates don't forget how to hit certain pitches
He he wasn’t catching up to a fastball, that might be a sign of being old. I’ve never seen or heard about guys losing the ability to hit breaking pitches because they’re old. If he drops the weight, he should hit again.
by thejd44 on Jan 4, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we weren't clogged in the OF I'd say go for it...
But the way our team is constructed now I’d say “pass”.
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by brenarlo on Jan 4, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and who's to say he's lost the weight
or is planning to
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by flipgatey3 on Jan 4, 2009 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind him in CF. Sweeney is hardly a sure thing. Neither are Buck or Cunningham in RF.
For that matter Holliday could be traded. He’d be a better OF option than Denorfia.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a HOF candidate not solely, or even primarily
because of his hitting. His career OPS+ is 111. Good, but hardly an indication of being a great hitter in an absolute sense.
Jones is a HOF candidate because of his D, and being a very good hitter for the position he plays.
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by rfloh on Jan 4, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I know.
But he was still a pretty good hitter. I mean, I’d rather have the good Andruw Jones than Torii Hunter. And I think the only thing keeping Jones from being good for a few more years is the weight. That’s all I’m saying. Doesn’t mean the A’s should try to get him.
by thejd44 on Jan 4, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he loses weight and shows commitment to staying in shape
it “might” be worth a one time shot. He has not turned 32 yet and Big Hurt was coming off surgery and disappointing seasons in Chicago at a later age….and he turned out to be pretty good.
by mrod on Jan 4, 2009 1:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bad comparison
Thomas kept getting injured, but whenever he actually was on the field during those years, he still hit like crazy.
Jones has just plain sucked.
To be honest, I remember at the time thinking that it was a bad signing by the Dodgers. I remember thinking that if Jones and Boras REALLY believed that his 2007 was just an off year, they would sign a 1 year contract, have another .900 OPS in Center season, and then sign a long term high money contract instead of a ‘take all the money I can get now’ contract which seemed to tell me that he thought he was not going to get better.
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by Zonis on Jan 4, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he looks terrible now
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by ChadGod on Jan 4, 2009 1:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Andruw Jones
I’d rather have Aaron Cunningham roaming the outfield than Andruw Jones.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 4, 2009 2:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but Aaron looks like he could use some AAA time.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So does Andruw Jones
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on Jan 5, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if the A's traded for him it would have to come with the condition that
LA pays his weight watchers membership in addition to any other players sent to Oakland
by A'sfaninNC on Jan 5, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if by AAA time you mean
a membership at curves.
But seriously, I think that if he was floating around for the league min I think a gamble that he would lose weight would be worth it.
More Rajai Davis & less mount Davis
by Athletics fan and runner on Jan 5, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I were the A's Id offer more than most teams
Assuming most teams wont offer anything. They speculate that the Dodgers will just let him go if no one will trade, so if Im the A’s I offer to pay a tiny bit of the salary, maybe more if we can get an SS prospect.
Even if it is a small chance that Jones bounces back, and it is, that would be worth a lot.
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by ChadGod on Jan 4, 2009 2:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't
He looks awful and by most accounts hasn’t gotten much better in the offseason. If he’s willing to come over for the minimum when he’s made a free agent, give him a shot. Otherwise, pass. He’s not worth a prospect unless they’re taking Crosby off our hands and providing us with some other incentive. But I wouldn’t give a single prospect for the guy.
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by DMOAS on Jan 4, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he'd cost anything more than the minimum with the Dodgers paying his salary.
I could see trading someone like Denorfia for him.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't give up any player of any value for Jones
Including Denorfia. Denofia at least has value, right now Jones has none, particularly when he could be had for free.
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by DMOAS on Jan 4, 2009 6:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes the only reason to trade for him is that you'd have to recruit him as a FA against fierce competition.
Fierce.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If there's any competition for him
and based on the “I’m picking my team for a one year deal for the minimum because the Dodgers are footing the bill for dumping me” and he doesn’t choose the A’s, I honestly don’t care. Fierce competition for an overweight, under performing, sluggish hitter who scouts say hasn’t made any strides towards fixing the problem this winter? I highly doubt it. If there is, I don’t want the A’s to have any part of it, pre-release or otherwise. Like I said above, I wouldn’t give any value whatsoever for Jones. The only thing I’d offer him is a minimum wage contract and a chance to re-prove himself. Absolutely nothing more.
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by DMOAS on Jan 4, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You'll never win fierce competitions with an approach like that.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have an idea!!!
Bobby Crosby for Andruw Jones!
Both cost the same amount of money for 2009 (about $5 million), both are signed only for 2009. The Dodgers can take Crosby and use him at SS for now and hope for his potential to show up, and the A’s can take Jones, and try to get him to lose weight and play 1st Base for the year. If he fails, well, he fails and the job goes back to Barton. Pennington and Petit can already likely out perform Crosby anyways.
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by Zonis on Jan 4, 2009 2:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers probably want Furcal to play SS
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by DMOAS on Jan 4, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ah right forgot
I tried to block Furcal out of my mind :P
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by Zonis on Jan 4, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dreams are made of this
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Jan 4, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sweet ones, even
Who had a mind to disagree?
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by Nico on Jan 4, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so if jones was willing to take a deal
similar to what emil brown made last season, you still wouldnt take him?
by Asfan4ever723 on Jan 4, 2009 2:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Seriously? At this point, Jones basically is Emil Brown.
Why would you want another one?
by NateHST on Jan 4, 2009 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because if Jones returns to form he'll be a HOF caliber player,
and if he returns to 85% of form he’ll be a division winning difference maker. Whereas if Emil Brown returns to form, he’ll continue to suck.
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by Nico on Jan 4, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe if Jim Rice returns to form
he’ll be a HOF caliber player too!
SIGN RICE NOW!
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by oakinboston on Jan 4, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If someone can dig up Ty Cobb, he can be a HOF Caliber player too!
Granted, it’d be in the Zombie Leagues…
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by Zonis on Jan 4, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A's still own his rights, don't they?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 4, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah - too many double plays
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by Nico on Jan 4, 2009 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or hitting coach, apparently
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by Nico on Jan 4, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
The A’s were hoping Brown WOULD “return to form”— namely, his 2005-2006 form, in which years he was an above-average corner OF. Didn’t work, but most $1.5M fliers aren’t going to work.
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by PaulThomas on Jan 5, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
burrell rays 2yr/16mill
The Rays, filling their need for a power hitter, are close to signing free-agent Pat Burrell to a two-year, $16 million contract, according to major-league sources.
Burrell, 32, will serve as the team’s designated hitter. The team, nearing its payroll limit, could use some combination of Ben Zobrist, Gabe Gross and Fernando Perez in right field.
The Rays had considered a number of free agents, including Milton Bradley and Jason Giambi, to fill either their DH or right-field vacancies.
Bradley is likely to sign with the Cubs for more money than the Rays were willing to pay. Giambi could end up back with the A’s.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9031336/Sources:-Rays,-Burrell-near-two-year,-$16M-deal?MSNHPHMA
by Asfan4ever723 on Jan 5, 2009 11:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
They also have Matt Joyce for RF
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 5, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To answer the title question..
Becasue the A’s are trying to get better for the 2009 season.
by A'sfaninNC on Jan 6, 2009 9:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
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