There is nothing like playoff football to remind how much I miss baseball
As I sat in my daughters bean bag chair in front of our second tv wanting to puke after the second ticky tacky defensive holding call it occurred to me that there is no game like baseball. I mean, sure, in baseball games the strike zone, or blown safe/out call can impact the outcome of a game but why do more football games seem to be decided by dumb calls?
Is it me? I found myself wishing I was watching a hanging slider for Jack Cust to crush as Phillip Rivers pass floated off uncatchable and a yellow hankie came flying into the screen to rescue his team. It was only a minute or so earlier that I found myself wishing for a hot smash up the middle and Mark Ellis ranging toward the ball as a defensive lineman was being knocked to the ground and called for defensive holding on his way down.
I had no vested interest in the game. I don't root for the Chargers or the Colts. Nonetheless I was annoyed at how inelegant and completely ridiculous it was that a team could very well win the championship of a league with serious help from the officals. I know, a Cardinals fan would argue that the Royals had a little help in 1985.
But, in 1985 the beauty of baseball allowed the Cardinals to at least have another shot to erase that mistake. I would point out to the Cardinal fans that they did lose 11-0 in game 7.
Angels fans would remind me of the ridiculousness with AJ Pierzynski. I would remind them they had plenty of chances to make that phantom ball in the dirt unimportant. Was there ever a series where I wanted both teams to lose more? Actually yes, the 2002 World Series.
What does this have to do with the A's? Not a lot, admittedly. The way NFL Overtime works and the stupidity that is known as the BCS has given me a greater appreciation for the 162 game season (the nice sample size), extra innings (where both teams get a shot to win) and the playoff series.
It won't be long until the elegant game is back and my favorite team will have the best player in the Bay Area standing in Left Field :) Thank God, Pink Unicorns and Flying Spaghetti Monsters alike.
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Man...
The Warriors are stinking up the hardwood. I can’t wait for baseball season.
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by Rated-R Superstar on Jan 3, 2009 10:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think Thorton and Marleau might have an arguement for top player in the Bay Area
Although I would have no problem with Holliday proving me wrong
"I think people in this state like BOTH teams," proclaims Nick Aliotti, the Ducks' defensive coordinator. "Except for our hard-core fans, I don't think most Duck fans would have been terribly upset to see Oregon State going to the Rose Bowl."
Another reason he needs to go.
by diehardoaklandfan22 on Jan 4, 2009 2:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Joe Thornton is by far the best pro sports player in the Bay Area right now
He’s probably going to the Hall of Fame in his sport. He’s probably worth 10 wins a season to the Sharks— certainly at least 7 or 8, which is damn near halfway to the playoffs by himself given hockey’s ridiculously permissive postseason structure.
People really should tune in to the Sharks this season— not only are they the best team in the NHL, they also have both the best player in the Bay Area in Thornton AND the best rookie/future star in Devin Setoguchi, with a bunch of other young core talent as well (Milan Michalek, Jonathan Cheechoo when he’s healthy, Marc-Edouard Vlasic).
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by PaulThomas on Jan 5, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you wrote this
And let me say for the record, I enjoy the NFL playoffs, last night’s contest in San Diego notwithstanding. (Although I must say, the Chargers’ cheerleaders should be allowed to attend the team’s road games, too).
It’s not that more football games seem to be decided by dumb calls; it’s that more important games seem to be decided by dumb calls. And the overtime rule for the playoffs is lame. Let them play another 15:00, and decide it that way.
Which, of course, is another reason baseball is so appealing. You don’t get to “run out the clock”. There isn’t a taking-a-knee option. You have to get 27 outs (well ok, unless it rains or snows). Even a play that might resemble taking a knee- the intentional walk- at least has some strategy behind it. And you are still putting someone on base. (Same applies for Hack-A-Shaq in the NBA. Sure the odds are in your favor, but I have seen it backfire).
So imagine a playoff baseball game goes into extra innings, and they flip a coin to decide who gets to bat first. And the first batter hits a homerun. And your team is the one that allowed the home run. I imagine you’d feel how the Colts’ fans feel this morning.
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by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 4, 2009 8:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
100% on board with this
I cannot for the life of me understand the NFL overtime rule
Why aren’t they given 15 minutes to decide the outcome?
First to score puts too much importance on a COIN FLIP
Let the game be decided on the field
Watching NFL/NBA/NCAA playoffs for basketball/football makes me miss Baseball soooo much.
by BillMoresi on Jan 4, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop them. Stop them. Stop them.
If a team does its job, the anti-sudden death argument is a moot point.
by thejd44 on Jan 4, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But it even takes away the "hold them to a field goal and score a TD" possiblity.
I mean, for the most part, every playoff team is capable of running a 2 minute drill and getting the ball to the 30 yard line to kick a FG.
by mikev on Jan 4, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sudden death
Absolutely sucks and there is no justification for it in my mind. I have spoken and so it shall be, ha!
by jeffro on Jan 4, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can see your point,
except that that those holding and facemask calls were right on.
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by humdinger on Jan 4, 2009 9:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I thought the calls for the most part were correct
Even though the calls are valid, it just sucks to see a game of such importance partially decided by fouls committed
This is the same reason I am dissapointed EVERY March Madness
Either teams need to get back to fundamentals, or sports need to teach refs to ease up on the whistles and let them play.
by BillMoresi on Jan 4, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
more than the calls being right / wrong
is that it takes so long to decide.
we turned up in the bar midway through the second quarter, and i swear, there were about four plays in twenty minutes.
now, fair enough, in baseball, not a lot might have happened in twenty minutes, but hell, there would have been some plays. and there would have been potential for something to happen.
i really, really, really hope they don’t bring in extensive replays for the umpires in baseball. let them make their decisions, we’ll go with right or wrong, and we’ll all live with it. all the replays just break up the flow of the game and make me drunk.
when did we stop using adverbs proper?
by alea iacta est on Jan 4, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
correction
replays = video reviews
when did we stop using adverbs proper?
by alea iacta est on Jan 4, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More importantly
Any time Peyton Manning is miserable, the world is a better place. Plus, the Colts just weren’t that good this year. They were literally 5 plays from being 7-9, and the Colts won a lot of close games because of players other than Manning. He didn’t deserve the MVP, either.
Now the Giants need to lose next week so we can be rid of the disease that is the Manning family for just a little while.
by thejd44 on Jan 4, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i concur
hey peyton, what’s the german for schadenfreud?
when did we stop using adverbs proper?
by alea iacta est on Jan 4, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but see
Your manning hate colors your opinion and makes it less objective to me. Watch those two holding calls imagining Tom Brady sitting on the sidelines watching and I am sure you would have a different opinion.
by jeffro on Jan 4, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
go patriots
oh wait they don’t play this week or next
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by flipgatey3 on Jan 4, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The facemask was
The other two were really lame and didn’t impact the play. I doubt any other officiating crew would have thrown flags. In fact, those same sort of plays happened with regularity in the morning game and no flags.
by jeffro on Jan 4, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right that
those calls weren’t being made in the earlier game, but they were consistent within the Chargers/Colts game. Isn’t it expected in football, and all sports really (especially baseball), that there will be some officiating discrepancies between games, but that’s okay as long as it’s consistent within each game?
"Good or bad, I don't know. This is awesome." ~Nick Swisher after being asked if it was wise to poor beer on Lew Wolfe's head.
by humdinger on Jan 4, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Although, I have to say it is incredible (and I didn’t learn this until I read recaps today) that the crew that threw more flags than any was assigned to the game. Who cares at this point? I am so over football. My favorite team has been out of it since about August.
by jeffro on Jan 4, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One last thing
I don’t think there was any drive with three calls in the entire game…maybe I missed it (I was listening a lot of the time while taking down Xmas lights)
by jeffro on Jan 4, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As a Kings fan
I am still bitter about the 2002 Western Conference Finals. Talk about one-sided.
Although if Sac just made their free-throws in Game 7, they win regardless. A great shooting team just choked that series away at the line.
And screw Robert Horry.
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by Scottbass on Jan 4, 2009 6:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
There has been a lot of emphasis on Game 6
And, perhaps, rightly so (especially that dreadful 4th quarter).
But for the series, the Kings actually took nineteen more free-throw attempts (204-185), including a 35-15 edge in Game 3 (played in LA), and a 33-23 advantage in Game 5 (a 1-point Kings win at home).
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by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 4, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I really meant Gm 6 in particular made me bitter.
But I’m not surprised they shot alot of free throws. That team really was inside-out, although “inside” for Webber meant at the corner of the key.
I recall that series being as you depicted…alot of fouls for the Kings one night, alot of fouls against the next. It just seemed ike whole thing was pre-ordained. I don’t think there was any crazy conspiracy, but it just felt contrived. Especially that ridiculous stretch of 27-1 for the Lakers.
Although the 35-15 difference in LA is surprising. You would expect it to be the other way around.
And screw Robert Horry.
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by Scottbass on Jan 4, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
It took away from what really was an outstanding series.
Of course if it wasn’t for that Horry guy, the thing is over in five, and there’s no talk about the officiating at all. And the Shaq-Kobe break-up probably comes sooner.
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by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 4, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was living in the Sacramento region at the time
If Robert Horry had shown his face around town he would have needed Green Beret protection. Of course if Vlade Divac had held grabbed the rebound it wouldn’t really matter. And of course there is always the next two games to make up for the mistake, unlike the NFL…
by jeffro on Jan 4, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dayn Perry put it nicely
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As for the game itself, it’s hard to overstate just how little action occurs in an NFL game. It’s often bandied about that your average game contains something like 12 minutes of snap-to-whistle football. In the age of TiVo, we sometimes forget this. In person, it’s excruciatingly apparent. You’ve no doubt watched a game on TV and sat bewildered before a sequence that goes something like this: third down off-tackle, time out for measurement, commercial break, line up for field goal, time out by defensive team to “ice” the kicker, commercial break, made field goal, commercial break, kickoff, commercial break, first down dive play for two yards. For $55, this mind-numbing tedium can be experienced in person, except under these circumstances you can’t check your e-mail, run to the can, grab a beer from the fridge, feed your dog or flip to another channel.
All of this is a long-winded way of saying: I can’t begin to fathom how any football fan can say baseball is boring. In baseball, we have more action, no halftime, an infinitely better in-person experience, cheaper tickets, prettier girls and better weather.
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by salb918 on Jan 5, 2009 10:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's not really a logical argument
A typical baseball game has about 40 balls put in play, or something like three minutes of anything other than pitching and catching. Even the pitches are only in the air for another three minutes or so.
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by PaulThomas on Jan 5, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Prettier girls.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on Jan 5, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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