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A's History: Highs and Lows

(Disclaimer: I am no better at statistical analysis or drawing conclusions as I am at whipping up a gourmet meal- burnt quesadillas anyone?  All I did was take a handful of ingredients and toss them somewhat blindly into the oven.  I'll let the experts decide if this dish is edible, simply needs more salt, or should go straight to the dumpster).

It is not too often that I get the opportunity to quote myself (ok, that's not entirely true), but in my first front-page post way back in December 2008, I wrote this:

Our baseball team- perhaps more than any other- has experienced its share of highs and lows; such is the case in our own lives.

I guess that statement can imply a number of things, but as I have said of the A's before; when they're bad, they are grotesquely bad, and when they're good, they are Mom's-pork-green-chili good.

A's Wins

Star-divide

The question then is this: have they experienced these extreme cases of success and failure "more than any other" team?  My general knowledge of A's history might be worth something to relatives who call me from the local tavern to settle a bet, but pitting the Home Nine against other teams was going to take some (gasp!) research.

And while my findings weren't completely shocking, it was satisfying to know that I wasn't just blowing smoke with my December statement.  To begin my quest, I first had to decide who gets to play, and immediately settled on the sixteen clubs that have been a part of Major League Baseball since 1901 (I could have done every current team, but I do work for a living, and I wanted the same timeline for everyone). Speaking of which, I tossed out the strike-shortened 1981 and 1994 campaigns, leaving us 106 seasons to work with.  Lastly, in defining "high" and "low", I went with 90+ wins or losses.  Nice round number.

No team in big-league lore has accumulated more 90-win or loss seasons than our A's (63), though the Yankees are hot on their heels (62).  Baltimore checks in with 54 while Atlanta and the Giants round out the top five with an even 50. So on one hand you can say that the Yankees are one 90-win (or loss) season from having just as many high-and-low years as the A's.

On the other hand, not quite.

A's vs. NY

The Yankees have doubled the A's output of seasons with 90 or more victories. 

New York's ratio (56 "high" seasons, 6 "low") is not even on the same planet as anyone else's, whereas the A's (28/35) have teetered and tottered at a much more even pace, and more frequently.  In fact, only the Athletics rank in the top five in both 90-win and loss seasons (see charts). 

90 or more wins

But let's say 90 doesn't work for you, so I'll bump it up to 95 wins/losses. This time, the A's are dead even with New York for the top spot (45 high/low years).  But while New York's ratio tilts heavily towards the high side (42/3), the A's have a close relationship with both sides of the spectrum (again, no other team is in the top 5 in both categories).

95 or more wins

Of the teams that occupy (or share) the top five spots with the most 90 (or 95) win seasons, four of those clubs (Yankees, Giants, Dodgers, and Cardinals) possess the highest overall winning percentage of the Original 16.  Furthermore, those four teams are among the top five with the least amount of 90 (or 95) loss seasons.  No real surprise there, right.  The odd team out, of course, is the one whose name is featured on this blog site.

Top Win Pct

None of this suggests that the A's have not teetered (tottered?) in one direction for an extended period of time (see, Kansas City 1955-67).  From 1933-1970, they had not one single season with 90 or more wins; coincidentally that span represented the team's longest post-season drought.  In those 38 seasons of famine, the A's lost ninety or more games 18 times, including a 12-year stretch (1935-46) of eleven such seasons (nine in succession from 1935-43).  On the "high" side, the current decade has been particularly kind; six 90+ win seasons (more than in any other decade).

A's wins by city

*Excludes 1981 and 1994 seasons

A's wins by decade

 

A special thanks to iamawesomer for the graphs.

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“Mom’s-pork-green-chili good”

Guess what I’ll be thinking about all day (though I’m sure it isn’t as good as your Mom’s)?

"You know, a long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy."

-Charles Manson

by kaweahkaweah on Jan 29, 2009 8:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

That sentence is bugging me

It sounds like it’s using “pork-green” as a color. Like “mustard yellow” or something. Except pork isn’t green.

Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"

by PaulThomas on Jan 29, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I typed “green pork chili” first and then it really looks like the pork is green. How about chile verde con puerco?

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 29, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"green-chili-with-pork" works for me...

Sounds interesting. What’s in the green chili? (Other than peppers, obviously.)

Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"

by PaulThomas on Jan 29, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't chile verde always have pork in it?

just sayin.

when put into english, it just looks plain ugly. but in spanish, mmmmmm

by noava22 on Jan 29, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought

Carnitas was pork?

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Jan 29, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

man

I am so not Mexican enough to be having this conversation, but I’ll give it a shot anyway.

In reverse order:

Hellooooo 1st: Yes, the meat used to make Carnitas is pork (usually pork butt).

noava22: Not always, but in most cases, yes. But now that you mention it, when Mom says she’s making her green chili, she doesn’t mention the pork. But I know it’s going to be there.

PT: Um, yeah; not sure why I didn’t think to call it out in that order. Mom makes it a little different than most restaurants (in the sense that it is thicker, almost gravy-like). She roasts, peels, and chops the green chili peppers, adding only salt and garlic (she could not give me amounts), and putting that in a bowl. She cuts the pork in cubes and fries it “carnitas style” (crunchy on the outside, tender on the inside), coats the meat with flour, then adds water, and the chili.

Ways to serve it: by itself or over beans and rice, with tortillas or even sourdough bread on the side (I do sourdough bread when beans and rice are not involved).

The other way she serves it (we call these her green chili enchiladas) is extremely simple: she fries up some corn tortillas and wraps them around Monterey Jack cheese (rolled up tight like a taquito, but the tortilla is soft). She puts four or five of those bad boys on a plate and then pours the green chili over them. All I can say is that I would perform shameless acts for them; thankfully I don’t have to.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 29, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh. My. God.

That sounds delush! I thought chile verde was made with tomatillos?

"You have to score to win"~Rickey Henderson

by lynnzgal on Jan 29, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

tomatillos are green chili peppers ...

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jan 30, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Husk tomatoes.

by Lovejoy on Jan 30, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 30, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm ... it seems I am wrong ...

always thought they were …

oh well …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jan 30, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yummy.

Your Mama sounds like a good cook.

by IM4Oakgal on Jan 29, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

wait

She fries it, then coats it in flour? Iiiiiiiiiiinteresting. That would definitely account for the gravier quality.

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 30, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

correct

To a lot of people, it doesn’t even look like chili (most oft-heard remark from co-workers when I’d pull it out of the fridge to warm it up: What is that?). Which, of course, worked for me because I didn’t want them anywhere near it.

Funny though, after I pulled it out of the microwave, the reactions were more like “oooooh….what is that?”

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 30, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

when I’d pull it out of the fridge to warm it up: What is that?). Which, of course, worked for me because I didn’t want them anywhere near it.

TWHS

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 30, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll have to give that post-fry-dusting method a try

I actually just made beef chili last night — I cooked it carnitas-style (albeit w/o your mom’s flour variation). My secret ingredient: my brother’s smoked chile oil. Have to be verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry judicious with it …

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 30, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Carnitas is a particular way of preparing pork ...

(frying it)

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jan 30, 2009 12:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 30, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When you really look at it

The so-called phenomenon is really mainly a product of 3 decades where they just weren’t any good— the 40s, 50s, and 60s— which encompassed their extended dying days in Philly and the run (or shall we call it a walk) in Kansas City. Other than that, you look at the record and say here’s a very good franchise that has managed on at least 5 occasions to have multi-year runs where they’ve ben at or near the top of the sport. sure, there have been rebuilding periods, but outside of the Yankees, which baseball franchise hasn’t had several of those?

Basically Connie Mack’s spendthrift ways in his final two decades put the franchise into a hole that it took Charile O to finally get out of.

by windyfelix on Jan 29, 2009 9:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

i’m not sure why a’s fans would compare the successes/failures of the franchise to those in their own lives, but if they do, it’s probably not the 1900s, 1910s, 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, 1960s…

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jan 29, 2009 9:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

So they're like the Marlins but over a 100 year period? Good.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Jan 29, 2009 9:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

No

Here’s the quick history. The first great team featured the so-called $100,000 infield— anchored by HOFers Hone Run Baker and Eddie Collins. They were really, really good from 1909-1914— a 6 year run (as opposed to the Marlins). Then Mack— under pressure from the new Federal League and whatever other considerations— did what Finley threatened to do 60 years later— he sold them all off.

They plunged from 99 wins in 1914 to 43 and 36 the next two. They stayed bad as the Yankees got really good throughout the first half of the 20s— but by 1925 they had Simmons and Cochrane— both HOFers— in the lineup—- and Grove as a relief pitcher, and they started winning again. They won 98 games in 1928 and finished 3 back on the Yanks, then broke through in 1929 with a 3 year title run (2 WS and one AL pennant) with the 4th HOFer added to the squad, Jimmie “the Beast” Foxx. That team won 313 games in 3 years playing a 154 game schedule, an extraordinary achievement. That’s akin to averaging 109 wins for 3 seasons today.

They still won 94 games in 1932— so the overall run of contender play lasted about 8 years— before falling back some more in 1933 (Simmons was gone, the others soon to follow). And then the deluge.

Point being— the runs have always lasted for at least 5 years.

The Swinging A’s of the 70s were strong contenders from 1971-75; the Bash Brothers team from 1988-92. The Big Three/Beane teams from 1999-2006

What Beane is now attempting to do has actually never been done before in this franchise’s history— try to get back to the top (or near the top) without at least an intervening decade. Here’s hoping.

by windyfelix on Jan 29, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And to be fair

He did do it in 7 years in the 1990s. So we’ve got that going for us. Which is nice.

by windyfelix on Jan 29, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Swingin' A's of the 70s...

…were strong contenders from 1971-1976. In 1976 they finished 2.5 games behind the Royals with an 87-74 record despite a mid-season span during which several of their best players were held in limbo while Bowie Kuhn and Charlie Finley fought over Finley’s efforts to trade or sell them.

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Jan 29, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"Several" may be a bit strong

Joe Rudi, Rollie Fingers, and Vida Blue, to be specific.

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Jan 29, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nice graphs

the most compelling stat (to me) is the high number of 95+ win seasons… some good company in there. as the parabola goes… we’re due?

i knew there was a reason i didn’t go red sox

by jaylikewise on Jan 29, 2009 9:56 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

According to the team's history

we’re due in about 2016. But as T.E. Lawrence (or at least Peter O’Toole) once said: “nothing is written”

by windyfelix on Jan 29, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yikes

maybe that will concide with the new A’s/niners/raiders/SJ earthquakes stadium

by jaylikewise on Jan 29, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Andrew Brown's Shoulder Injury

it was written.

Cust is the new Jaha.

by johnjahafanclub on Jan 29, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and kiko calero is a marlin

that russ springer deal is looking sweeter and sweeter

by jaylikewise on Jan 29, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

aw, really?

I was hoping he’d go somewhere we’d see him more; Kiko Calero is fun to say

when did we stop using adverbs proper?

by alea iacta est on Jan 29, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cool

I did not realize the A’s had such consistent(?) swings in excellence/putridity (I did not think ‘putridity’ was a word, but my Firefox spellchecker assures me it is one, and I never question Firefox) . I’m honestly not sure whether that’s something to be proud of or not.

...when you let other people tell you what success is, you already have no chance of ever finding it. - Doug Glanville

by JLeverenz on Jan 29, 2009 10:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

This journal entry is like USA Today

Full of colorful graphs and numbers the whole family can enjoy.

I like to think the A’s have had their share of glory years, but lots of mediocre, so-so years. And the God Awful years are either unmemorable or just didn’t happen.

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by Hit4TheCycle on Jan 29, 2009 10:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I could go for "Mom’s-pork-green-chili" with a quesadilla ...

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Jan 29, 2009 10:12 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

elite WS company, too?

aren’t the A’s, Cardinals, and Yankees the only teams to ever 3-peat? or is it just getting to the WS 3 years in a row?

awesome post!

by jlanning17 on Jan 29, 2009 10:19 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

A's and Yankees are the only teams to three-peat

but the Yankees are also the only team to four-peat and five-peat. (Riley never coined those.)

other teams that went to the WS three straight years, with their WS records:
Cubs (1906-08) – 2-1
Tigers (1907-09) – 0-3
Giants (1911-13, 1921-24) – 0-3, 2-2
Cardinals (1942-44) – 2-1
Orioles (1969-71) – 1-2
A’s (1988-90) – 1-2

the Yankees had a few of these stretches as well:
1921-23 – 1-2
1926-28 – 2-1
1941-43 – 2-1
1955-58 – 2-2
1960-64 – 2-3
1976-78 – 2-1

by scatterbrian on Jan 29, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I've always said to my kids and other red sox fans

that the nice thing about the A’s is that they’re either truly legitimate contenders who actually win it all once in a while, or they have the decency to be so bad that you can safely ignore them and go on with life for a few years.

this comparison with the red sox doesn’t work any more, but it’s historically valid. hopefully we’ll look back on this period as an anomaly.

Stewart 7, Clemens / McNamee 1

by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 29, 2009 10:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

the whole payroll thing

is another small inconsistency these days

i was wong to do that stuff

by jaylikewise on Jan 29, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The real question might be this...

How many of the original 16 franchises have had 5 distinct periods of greatness or at least near-greatness?

Yanks: 1920s with Ruth; 30s with Gehrig morphing into Joe D/Dickey; 40s with Joe D; 50s/early 60s with the Mick; The Martin-Jackson-Munson Bronx Zoo of the late 1970s; the Jeter era. That’s 6, by my count.

Boston Red Sox: the early years with Ruth and Co.; The late 1940s with Teddy Ballgame; the mid to late 1970s of Rice/Lynn/Tiant/Fisk; the Clemens years, beginning with 1986; the current stretch. That’s 5

Boston-Milwaukee-Atlanta Braves— not sure there was ever a 5 year run in Boston. Someone correct me if I’m wrong. Obviously the late 50s with Aaron-Matthews-Spahn, and then the extended Schuerholz-Cox-Big Three run recently. That’s 3 plus

Phillies: Not much of anything prior to 1975— then about an 7-8 year run with Schmidt, carlton and Co. And they’er probably in another one now.

Pirates" Had a good run with the Waners. Then a very solid run somewhat obscured by the Big Red Machine in the early 70s. Then one more with Bonds

Browns/Orioles: Browns? Did they ever have a 5 year run? Orioles had a great run from 1966-71 (4 pennants; 2 WS champs), took a quick breath; then were competitive throughout the 1970s, culminating in a pennant in 1979 and a WS in 1983. Hit and miss from there (One Ripken/Mussina revival) and now mostly miss.

Indians: One good stretch in the late 40s and 50s; And the recent one; They had moments earlier in the century but hardly a great run

Tigers: 07-11 a fairly good run; good but not great in the first Yankee era; again in the 1930s; the 1968-72 team was very good; so was the team in the 1980s featuring the great 1984 season and a near-miss in 1987. Not sure there are 5 really good stretches here

Cubs: Early and that’s it until very recently, sad to say, though they were certainly contenders in the 1960s and may be again now

White Sox: In the teens, culminating in scandal. late 50s/60sm but still 2nd or 3rd fiddle to New York. And recently, sort of

Reds: The 1970-76 run was terrific. Not sure they’ve ever really had another one that lasted more than 2-3 years, though

Giants: Well, they’ve had two solid stretches since coming West. In the 1960s they were perennial bridesmaids but they did win a pennant in 1962. And of course the Bonds/Kent years. 1950-54 sort of qualifies, but for a down year in 1953. They or the Cubs dominated the 1900s, extending to the 1910-14 period as well. They were the most consistent NL team for the entire first 25 years of the last century, for that matter. And had another pretty good run with Ott and Hubbell in the 1930s;

Dodgers: Never a real good stretch until the Boys of Summer. Since they’ve had the 1947-56 period. The Koufax/Drysdale years of 1959-66. The great infield of 1974-81. And that’s about it, but for the one anomalous title (alas) in 1988

Senators/Twins: One stretch in the 1920s with Big Train. Twins have had some decent runs— in the mid to late 1960s, but only 1 pennant, again in the Puckett years, and again now. But not quite at the peak level of other franchises.

Cardinals: A bunch of good runs— gashouse Gang; mid 60s; 80s; recently. There might be another to make 5— not sure though.

I’d basically say that the Yankees, Giants and A’s stand above all the rest in terms of frequency of dominant or near-dominant runs— with Boston and St. Louis a tick behind.

by windyfelix on Jan 29, 2009 10:55 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Boston Red Stockings and Red Caps won 6 pennants in 7 years from 1872-78, with basically an All-Star team

featuring at various times Deacon White, Cal McVey, Ezra Sutton, Jim O’Rourke, Albert Spalding, George Wright and Ross Barnes.

The 1891-98 Beaneaters won 5 pennants with teams featuring Kid Nichols, Hugh Duffy, Billy Nash and Herman Long, with guest appearances by John Clarkson, Charlie Bennett, and Billy Hamilton. The 1898 team was thought to be among the best of all time.

After that it was slim pickings till the Spahn and Sain team of 1948, with the exception of the Maranville Miracle Braves of 1914.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Jan 29, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Like the idea

of quantifying the rollercoaster. I think the idea of variance could help too — by looking at the variance or standard deviation of each team’s wins you can get a sense of how much they swing.

A’s: 75.5 wins on average, standard dev 17.5
Yankees: 88 wins, SD 13.3

In that comparison it’s pretty clear that the Yankees have much less variance (I threw it together and didn’t do the stats, but I bet it’s significantly different than 17.5). But we know that the Yankees are sort of an outlier. What about a team that’s closer to the A’s in average win %?

Braves: 75.1 average wins, SD 15.4

Less swing-y, but don’t know how a significance test comes out. Would be fun to see how the other teams rank, but I’m supposed to be working….

by bschafer on Jan 29, 2009 11:00 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

For what it's worth

Rob Neyer and Eddie Epstein wrote a book several years ago (I think it might have been Rob’s first) called “Baseball Dynasties” where they attempted to quantify great teams and rank them appropriately. They looked in depth at 15 teams of which 3 were A’s teams (1911, 1929, 1974) and 5 were Yankees’ teams (1927, 39, 53, 61, 98).

Rob ranked the A’s teams 12th (1974), 11th (1911) and 7th (1929)
Eddie ranked them 13th (1911), 12th (1929), and 7th (1974)

...when you let other people tell you what success is, you already have no chance of ever finding it. - Doug Glanville

by JLeverenz on Jan 29, 2009 12:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the info

I do recall that. Seems like a book that belongs on my shelf.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 29, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's a pretty nice read

It’s one of those books that is really easy to read a little bit, put it down for a while and then pick up again later. It’s been a while since I’ve read it, but when I did it was right when I was starting to get into that kind of analysis. I need to reread it sometime and see how much of it holds up 9 years later.

...when you let other people tell you what success is, you already have no chance of ever finding it. - Doug Glanville

by JLeverenz on Jan 29, 2009 3:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Poor Philadelphia!!!

First, the A’s lose 90+ 20 times, then they get the Phillies who’ve lost 90+ 37 times! 57 times of 90+ losses in just over a decade.

"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey

by JJ on Jan 29, 2009 3:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That would be quite the feat

In a century, twould still be painful!

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Jan 29, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly how many numbers too many?

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 29, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps

Next week: less numbers, more pics. It’s nice to actually have an idea in place (for a change).

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 29, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought you did a fine job with the numbers

But I like the pic-heavy posts too.

...when you let other people tell you what success is, you already have no chance of ever finding it. - Doug Glanville

by JLeverenz on Jan 29, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

much appreciated.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 29, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the top-heavy posts too

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 30, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You mean like this?

...when you let other people tell you what success is, you already have no chance of ever finding it. - Doug Glanville

by JLeverenz on Jan 30, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nicely done

The nuts and bolts of gameplay are apocalyptic failures, but the awfulness doesn’t stop there. Managing games is utterly pointless. [Feb 2009, p.85]

by A'sfaninNC on Jan 30, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DWOTM

A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 30, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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