A's Close to Signing Russ Springer
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According to the story, "the A's are close to fortifying their bullpen" by signing 40-year-old free agent reliever Russ Springer.
Citing a major league source, Fox Sports reported the A's and Springer were "making progress, but not done" negotiating.
In 70 games with the St. Louis Cardinals last season, Springer went 2-1 with a 2.70 ERA.
He's a Type-A free agent, but wouldn't cost the A's any compensation since St. Louis didn't offer him salary arbitration.
What do you guys think of the move?
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He is better... and right handed
It does help. Though we’ll have to wait to see terms before giving this the yea or nay.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
seems like a good move.
we already had a pretty strong bullpen and adding springer gives us more depth. id be suprised if it was more than 2-3 mil for 1 year. plus we dont have to give up a draft pick.
"That team runs on Bobby Crosby being healthy. This guy is amazing. If he's healthy, they could go a long way. He's the key"
-Johnny Damon
I voted Yes but I won't like it if it's a 2/$6M deal or something. The pen does look pretty thin.
Good: Devine, Ziegler
Adequate: Blevins, Casilla
Iffy: Brown, Schroder, Outman/Kilby, Gray
On the Horizon: Carignan, Rodriguez, Lansford, Bailey
Springer at least replaces the worst of the Iffy guys with an Adequate arm and gives them insurance against a Casilla collapse or Devine injury or Ziggy regression. Nothing to get excited about though.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 24, 2009 7:02 AM PST up reply actions
I'd put the pre-appendectomy Brown in the Good category
And I can’t think of a good reason why he won’t go back to that form.
by thejd44 on Jan 24, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed
This is dumb. We have 2 great bullpen guys and 3 good bullpen guys (Blevins & Casilla are good not “adequate” and brown is not "iffy"). No need to waste 3 mil on a 40 year old who had a fluke season last year.
Cust is the new Jaha.
by johnjahafanclub on Jan 24, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
Springer is better than all of these guys except Devine and (maybe) Ziggy
the rest are around average, and it’s a perfectly good bullpen with everyone healthy, but there are always injuries in the bullpen and it looks a lot worse if Devine or two of the other guys are injured at one time.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
We have no "great" bullpen guys.
I don’t see Mariano Rivera, Jonathan Papelbon or Joe Nathan in the pen. Nobody is better than “good”.
Pre-appendectomy Brown may have been Good, but post-shoulder injury Brown is a big question mark. Blevins and Casilla project as averagish relievers.
I wouldn’t want to pay Springer $3M either.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 24, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Whoa
I’m not saying Devine and Ziegler might not be due for some regression or anything, but look at five sets of numbers here:
Player A: 45 2/3 IP, 23 H, 7 R, 3 ER, 49 K, 15 BB, 0 HR
Player B: 67 2/3 IP, 43 H, 13 R, 10 ER, 74 K, 18 BB, 5 HR
Player C: 69 2/3 IP, 58 H, 24 R, 18 ER, 77 K, 8 BB, 4 HR
Player D: 70 2/3 IP, 41 H, 11 R, 11 ER, 77 K, 6 BB, 4 HR
Player E: 59 2/3 IP, 47 H, 8 R, 7 ER, 30 K, 22 BB, 2 HR
It’s just one season, and they could both stand to cut their walk rates, but with that one season making up the bulk of Devine and Ziegler’s major league numbers, those could have the makings of two great relief pitchers.
i understand the point, but i hate these player A, B, C, D things… i always get bored and stop paying attention after like player B or so. yet i really do want to know who is who without looking it up for myself.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Pretty easy to sort
Ziegler is the one without many K’s.
Devine is the one that is the most awesome!!!!
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I'm not sure what the point is but I'd rank them:
Player D
Player C
Player B
Player A
Player E
Since I see below that Devine and Ziegler are Player A and Player E, I stand by my earlier position that they’re clearly worse than Rivera, Papelbon and Nathan. Add to the fact that the other three have more than one year of excellence under their belts and it’s not that close.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 25, 2009 4:29 AM PST up reply actions
Is there really anyone who believes
Rivera, Pabelbon, and Nathan aren’t superior to Ziggy and Devine? Would anyone actually refuse to trade one of the A’s relievers for one of those three relievers, straight up?
Though I’m not sure how good “Gettin’ Nathy With It” would be.
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Yes, I wouldn't trade for any of those three straight up.
Devine and Ziggy have terrific contracts.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Jan 25, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
I actually think Springer is worth the money
I just think Brown will be better than you seem to. Bullpen depth makes me happy. The team has just 15 pitchers on the 40-man, and that seems very, very low. A one-year deal or one-year + team option with no buyout works for me.
by thejd44 on Jan 25, 2009 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
He injured his shoulder
That’s a very good reason why any given pitcher won’t go back to his previous form.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
repeat of last year?
if he can put up similar numbers as last year he should give us some stability in the bullpen
He doesn’t need to be as good as he was the last two years to be worth $3 mil this year. I’m wondering, however, why St. Louis didn’t offer him arbitration. I don’t know how much an arbitrator would have given him, but if it was only $3 mil, than the Cards sure screwed up by not offering.
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Rosenthal updated the article to note...
that:
I guess Crosby’s BIG MACing this offseason hasn’t changed the front office’s mind about his ability. I wonder what kind of super-sub he would make? If the A’s signed O-Cab, would they outright release Crosby?
As to Springer, he would be a decent signing, but I would think the team needs a veteran lefty…in the form of Shouse or Reyes.
A’s if they sign both these guys.
Starters
Suzuki
Giambi
Ellis
Chavez
Cabrera
Holliday
Sweeney
Buck
Cust
Bench
Bowen
Hannahan
Crosby
Davis
Murton or Denorfia
SP
Duchscherer
Eveland
Gallagher
Braden
Williams, Jerome – I know, highly unlikely, but maybe at 27 he’ll put it all together
Pen
Ziegler
Devine
Blevins
Springer
Brown
Casilla
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jan 24, 2009 8:19 AM PST reply actions
I think Outman should get a shot at a rotation spot.
Sickels likes him a lot, as do I.
I’d definitely be more comfortable with him instead of Gio or Williams.
Never, Never, NEVER give up
jerome williams? why not put mark mulder in that #5 slot?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Meyer could well be the #5 starter for the Marlins
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 25, 2009 4:31 AM PST up reply actions
thats a scary thought....if i were a Marlins fan
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Jan 25, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
its a good signing because
our SP are going to struggle to pitch past 6 IPs almost everyday. Beane knows with a young SP core – were going to need a really strong pen.
My take
Could there be a trade brewing? With springer you also have Ziggy, devine, casilla, and brown. Very right sided unless the A’s are planing to go with 3 lefty starers in eveland, braden, and gonzalez or outman. I have a feeling Brown and Casilla could be trade bait. As for Cabrera I see Beane offering $5 million take it or leave it and Cabrera agent is getting scared.
Let's say O. Cabrera happens.
Does Crosby go to the bench making $5.25M? If so, he better start taking some groundballs at third. If not, which team do the Athletics cajole to take some of that Crosby contract off their hands? It seems like paying another $5M for a SS is just taking away money that can be applied somewhere else [provided that there’s approximately another additional $5-10M that could be spent by Beane since he offered it to Flakecal over four years].
It just seems like the more prudent thing do do is roll with Crosby for this final year and accept him as a weak-link in the batting order. If a fan can come to that acceptance, perhaps s/he can accept a very good-for-the-team free agent signing at $10-15 million for this season. Or, perhaps maybe that money should just be used for the 2010 payroll and contributed toward the 2010 funding of Holliday’s first year of his new long-term contract with this team: after the 2010 season, Chavez can be bought out of the 2011, $12.5M that he is owed; it would only cost $3M to do it. That’s assuming a non rebound for Chavez and another 3B within the orginization to take over for Chavez or someone in the FA pool two years from now.
by LowcountryJoe on Jan 24, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
love Holiday but..
To me its a pipe dream for the A’s to sign Holiday after this season. He will be the #1 free agent on the market. Boras will give no discount. The Yanks will bid heavy since the outfield is weak not counting Mets who also have a weak outfield that being said you could count on redsox, cubs, abnd about every big league club bidding. We are talking 18 to 24 million a year for Holiday. Think of Texeria contract.
I'm not sure he isn't worth that. It depends on how many years. If it's 8/$180 I might be tempted.
I don’t see a whole lotta offense on the farm.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 24, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
It appears the team doesn't have that much money to play with at this point
Keep in mind, the Furcal offers were a. before the Giambi signing, and b. largely before Henry Paulson decided to start lighting his cigars with the public’s money.
I expect that “within their price range” is not more than about 2 years and $10 million.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
Let's be fair, here.
Almost everyone in business wants a bailout. And nearly all taxpayers seem to want a so-callled stimulus. Any surprise, then, that Hank and Ben have accomodated. And let’s not forget which body actually passes the legislation to make this happen. Me thinks that your targeting the whipping boy and not the men and women behind the curtain.
For the record, I am not in the nearly all camp. Let them fail. Stop the wreckless spending. Get you know what the hell out of the way. Now, flag me for the CGV; I know you want to.
by LowcountryJoe on Jan 25, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
"Now, flag me for the CGV; I know you want to."
1. You are constantly making political statements.
2. The political statements you make are for the most part anchored in misconceptions and half-truths and straw man sophistry.
3. Strangely, you seem certain you are dispensing keen insight.
4. I don’t really care about #1 (though perhaps I should). The combination of 2 & 3, however, frustrate me, because it is nigh impossible to respond without catalyzing the kind of debate that is verboten on AN. So your pronouncements just sort of sit out there, unchallenged, beaming hamfisted Cato Institute provocations directly into the (already ravaged) areas of my brain responsible for regulating stress.
So:
Imagine you’re Jack Bauer.
But there’s no imminent terrorist attack. There are no suitcase nukes or deadly biological weapons on the loose. The President is not in danger. Your wife and kids are safe and sound.
That’s the good news.
On the other hand, my head is right on the verge of exploding.
Tick tock, tick tock.
Luckily, you don’t have to commandeer a jet or infiltrate a drug cartel or single-handedly eradicate dozens of leering bad guys from unspecified Middle Eastern countries in order to avert disaster.
All you have to do is shift your politics-talk from AN to one of the (approximately) 82 billion political blogs out there on the Internets. Simple!
by 74mk on Jan 25, 2009 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
great advice
does anyone else have to follow it or just LCJ?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Jan 25, 2009 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No one has to conform to any of my preferences. They are, after all, merely preferences, and merely mine.
(oblique insinuating query begets oblique insinuating response … we could go on like this for hours! how exciting!)
I’d address the substance/subtext of your question if I could tell what it was.
The subtext is that a variety of people make political commentary with some frequency
which is less conspicuous for being more or less in line with most people’s political views here, whereas LCJ’s tends to stick out for the same reason, and also because he tends to hammer on the same note over and over…
And I won’t speak for xbx, though I think he agrees, but approximately 100% of the “political” commentary here of all stripes falls under your complaint #2, or so it seems to me.
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
I don't know if this helps, but I flag political commentary whenever I
see it, and I believe it’s not meant as a joke. I never respond. This isn’t the place for it. That’s how I manage my irritation at seeing it.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 25, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
that's like being a highway patrolman in jim crow alabama and pulling over every speeder
it’s not that you’re doing a bad job, but you’re probably smart enough to guess which drivers are actually going to jail.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Oh?
1. You are constantly making political statements.
Constantly or just occasionally? Typically I am responding to someone else’s comment; not always but typically. And most times that I am responding, that someone else has commented about a politician or bureaucrat by name.
2. The political statements you make are for the most part anchored in misconceptions and half-truths and straw man sophistry.
Since I am ALWAYS making them you’d think I’d hit the mark more often. I should be providing some interesting fodder and laughter — that is if it wasn’t so frustrating actually seeing my bullshit as a reply to someone who went political first. Some people can avoid strawmen better than other, I guess.
3. Strangely, you seem certain you are dispensing keen insight.
Not at all. I would never feel that way — especially since I get satisfaction as coming across as the board’s idiotic sophist.
So your pronouncements just sort of sit out there, unchallenged…provocations directly into the (already ravaged) areas of my brain responsible for regulating stress.
Believe me when I tell you that I know exactly what you mean. Except that I cannot layoff the pitches out of the stikezone like you apparently can. But I can foul-tip ’em like a…
by LowcountryJoe on Jan 25, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
I was sorry when you (IIRC) self-banned, LCJ,
and am glad to have you back posting again; I also recall that it was your propensity to engage in political discussion that caused you to self-ban. So…Why not stick around and just make sure you are talking baseball when you comment? You don’t have to leave in order to avoid the very, very few topics that are verboden.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
If you had been a blog moderator in nazi germany, they would have sent you to the eastern front for sure for misspelling "verboten"
With stout hearts, and with enthusiasm for the contest, let us go forward to victory. ----Hero Defector Montgomery
Dang, I even googled it to double-check
I don’t mind being sent to the eastern front, but I think google should have to come with me.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Thanks, Nico.
But you know what I think that I am going to run along now. The temptation to repsond is just too much for me.
You did recall correctly — I did ban myself and I am going to do it yet again. I went back to that fanpost written by Blez and saw that I just could not let a political discussion go without engaging it.
Incidentially, my first post in that thread by time (not the first time my name will appear in the post, mind you) I linked to and quoted from an article that was very much on-topic for the thread…the discussion of the Internet and the good that has become of it for information sharing. It happened to be written by someone who dropped Milton Friedman’s name and because of that I was attacked for it.
Check it out! I thought I was sharing a quality article but because the article was written by someone who praise Friedman, I was criticized by Cutthemullet for being a one-trick pony. Silly me for trying to add to the discussion about the Internet and how it has lead to quality discussion through blogging-people and the feedback loops they give to one another.
So see you all later. I think I’ll sit out until the season starts and the lure of non-baseball related discussion is drowned out by good times and the sounds of “Play Ball!” Of course being the one-trick pony, single issue dude that I am, I’ll have to lie in the weeds or, at least, couch my true motivations until I have opportunities to pounce, right? And it’s not as though those opportunities to RESPOND to political discussion do not present themselves nearly every week. You know what, my spring training is going to consist of?…taking pitches in the back yard so I can learn to lay off them before I step back into this batter’s box.
by LowcountryJoe on Jan 25, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Some general comments
1. How did that thread go on for so long without getting shut down?
2. Please don’t nominate CTM or Oz for congressperson in my district, because they got schooled in that thread (despite, IMO, arguing the correct side of the debate).
3. In reading LCJ’s repeated plaintive assertions that he “doesn’t start things”, etc etc, images from Dr. Strangelove keep popping into my head. LCJ, of course, is playing the role of the Russians (how’s that for irony?).
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
I’m disappointed that apparently no one got this joke.
A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@
I don't want to stoop to that level of pettiness again, but...
stop with the spin. The article didn’t just drop his name, it touted him as the “patron saint” of blogging. But there’s a point to be made here that’s bigger than that objection, which is one that some might view as nothing more than semantics. And that point is this: given your posting record, which was alread well-established at that time (see xbhaskarx’s post in that thread in which he describes your AN activity), one was forced to conclude that your post was an effort to disseminate propaganda in the guise of making an “innocent” contribution to an apolitical thread. Now that is what your true one trick (if you can consider a tactic as transparent as that to be a trick) was, is, and always will be.
"Sweeney's a white Andre Ethier."--a white, drunk Billy Beane
by Cutthemullet on Jan 27, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions
I should have added that I do enjoy your baseball-related comments (which are usually more astute than my own).
I think your political musings irk me mainly because a) I universally disagree with them, b) they have a “why don’t the rubes grasp these basic truths?” undertone, and c) I can’t argue with you because this the wrong blog for that.
If this was Balloon Juice or something, we’d yell at each other for awhile, each of us would retire for the evening secure in the belief that he’d shown the other to be incontrovertibly wrong, and all would be well.
Finally, but most importantly: Re-reading my original comment, I realize it is kind of dickish. I apologize for that.
Thanks for the kind words.
But you do make some great points above and here (mainly because they were sort of flattering and not all that critical of me). I am leaving, still, but did want to respond to your reply to me first.
Toys. Home. Later.
by LowcountryJoe on Jan 25, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
I thought that your original post was unnecessarily
made . It’s nice to see someone here who can admit when they have made a post that is unduly harsh. People are occasionally going to make little comments that have political undertones. Those should be tolerated. There are real people behind these machines with quirky personalities. Some of that should be allowed to show without people who feel differently about political stuff jumping down their throats. Community guidelines get broken all of the time on here and I think it’s a matter of degree. People need to pick the battles wisely. It would be different if you jumped down the throats of every guy (or gal) who posted political stuff but people only do it to the folks they disagree with which is pretty hypocritical. Anyhow kudos for taking the time to back down,74mk.
keep in mind....
Furcal was coming off injury and is old and iis nowhere near the hitter Holliday is.
I think we’d offer more than 2 at 10 million if we made an offer.
Also consider that our oft-injured face of the franchise, Eric “DL " Chavez will be have one year left on his contract after this year (not counting the club option for ’11). Might we be looking in a new direction—-moving away from the golden "DL” years.
Someone to open a new ball park with maybe? Then again maybe too soon for that.
by WhiteElephant on Jan 27, 2009 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
or maybe you meant 2 years 10 million for O Cab
which seems a little too high to me. As much as everyone seems to hate him, I think I’d leave Crosby in for ’09 and look for a better, younger SS next year.
by WhiteElephant on Jan 27, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Crosby is arguably the best free agent shortstop in 2009
I suppose you could make a case for Khalil Greene or Tejada, but they’re not looking so hot right now either.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
Who ever thought
there’d be a day you’d say Crosby and Tejada were equal commodities in the free agent pool.
by WhiteElephant on Jan 27, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
We might not, but we should want to at a pretty high price.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 24, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
+1
More importantly we can afford to pay gaudy amounts and he’s exactly the sort of player you want (If he has a negative anywhere I haven’t seen it)
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Like I said
Lol, were not going to be signing him, be realistic, especially if he plays great like we all want him to this year, we simply wont be able to afford him.
Insightful analysis
The point isn’t whether we will or won’t (it would certainly be out of character). The point is he may well be worth what he gets and that we therefore should seriously consider it.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
I have no problems with Crosby....
as long as he is hitting in the 7, 8 or 9 spot. There is no pressure to deliver in those spots. Maybe he will relax and perform, but if he doesn’t he is no different than any other teams 7-8-9 hitters. If he does improve than that’s just a bonus for the team.
But he is worse than other teams' 7-8-9- hitters.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 24, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
I think this is a great move
A great righty in the pen with a fine record the last 3 years.
Last I heard the deal was about $3 mil, so a good move.
Perusing other blogs, it seems first of all that St. Louis fans are pissed that the Cards didn’t keep him for around $4 mil, and secondly, people are starting to take notice of the A’s. It’s gonna be an exciting season, that’s for sure…
If we sign O Cab
and springer then I agree with Arcman and there may be a trade possible.
What do you think a package of a Crosby and Brown/Casilla could get?
A solid starter perhaps?
If by "solid starter" you mean Carlos Silva then sure.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 24, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
3 teams
dodgers and stl looking for relievers
stl looking for a 2b
nats looking for anything
A’s have reliever depth, fringe OF depth (davis, denorfia, murton, etc) to offer up, and an mlb ready 2b patterson
by Asfan4ever723 on Jan 24, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Major league ready to do what?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
maybe he means Major Liability Ballplayer?
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Something less than a package of Brown / Casilla
unless the A’s are eating salary and the other team needs a bad shortstop
For fans, there should be a world drinking classic. Oh, wait, that's AN Day.
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 25, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
Strongly in favor, as long as it's only one year.
Stay far, far away from Cabrera though pls k thx. I’d much rather spend any money Cabrera would get on an additional rotation candidate. Even if we could afford both, Cabrera just isn’t very good.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
cabrera isn't very good, but he's good enough
if he costs next to nothing.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Springer vs. Embree
Elias’ compensation rankings cover 2 seasons, and Springer is coming off an outstanding year, while Embree is coming off a mediocre one.
That means that Springer has much better chance of being a Type A (or at least a Type B) free agent next season than Embree does. If the economy’s better, teams will be more likely to offer their FAs arbitration than they were this year.
I doubt that figures into the team’s decision much, if any, but I just thought I’d point it out.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Jan 24, 2009 5:16 PM PST reply actions
Springer is already a Type A this year
just wasn’t offered arb. It would actually be to the A’s advantage if he ended up a Type B I think, because I don’t think anyone is going to toss a pick signing a 41 year old reliever. But if he was Type B I could def see a team signing him, provided he has a pretty good year.
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Like a fine wine, Springer has improved with age
Terriers live a long time, anyway.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
mlb/urban
According to the source, Oakland has agreed in principle to terms on a one-year contract with 40-year-old righty Russ Springer. The deal is pending a physical and could be announced as early as Monday.
Springer, who likely will serve as a setup man for dual closers Brad Ziegler and Joey Devine, went 2-1 with a 2.32 ERA in 70 appearances for the Cardinals in 2008. Springer has made at least 70 appearances in each of the past three seasons, and FoxSports.com reported that his deal with Oakland is worth about $3 million.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
O/U on Springer saves this year?
I’m setting the line at 8.
by thejd44 on Jan 25, 2009 12:59 AM PST up reply actions
I imagine that if he gets any, he'll get 10 or more
I’d set it at more like 5.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
If that's true, there's no difference b/t 8 and 5
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
Maybe
It still needs to be set high enough to account for whatever incidental/14th-inning/exhausted-bullpen saves he accumulates.
My earlier post is wrong— I should have said “gets any appreciable number.”
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
wow
I’m pounding the under. When does your sportsbook open up for business?
I dunno, I think it's pretty likely that Devine misses significant time again
And the A’s may prefer to go with Springer over Ziegler. That was the point of me saying that. I think, as usual, injuries will cause the A’s to do things people would prefer they didn’t do (Springer as closer). It’s also a roundabout way of saying I like the move, because I think he’ll be needed.
by thejd44 on Jan 25, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
This comment has convinced me
I like Springer anyway. He is another successful misfit for our lovable bunch.
I miss Chad God
Speaking of Devine (This from ESPN Olney article on front page)
4. The most difficult pitcher in the majors against whom to square the baseball, of anybody who threw 40 or more innings, was Oakland’s Joey Devine. Opponents mustered a .170 slugging percentage against him, with only three doubles, no triples and no homers in 45.2 innings.
Small sample size, but encouraging.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
I just ready Olneys article
and can’t comprehend why is Ty Wigginton still a Free Agent
Clear its radiance shine...
Or why the A's don't want him (maybe he's just not cheap enough)
He’s a good right-handed hitter who can play 3B – and it might be prudent to have a backup ready at that particular position.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
It's that he's a decent hitter but not a great one, and a very bad fielder. Also he's at a collapse risk age.
I wouldn’t want him as my 3B for anything other than an emergency.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 25, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
Wigginton would be a pretty expensive backup plan
I’m assuming at least. I haven’t read about any offers to Wigginton, but he’s 30 and coming off a career year, so you figure he’s looking for a full-time gig…..and I wouldn’t want the A’s to offer him one. He’s a liability at positions where the A’s might use him, he’s got crappy platoon splits and doesn’t see a lot of pitches, and you have to consider Minute Maid ≠ The Coliseum and the NL ≠ the AL.
Wigginton seems more like Anaheim’s steez.
by scatterbrian on Jan 26, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
i do believe it came from
"True fact: In a global thermonuclear war, the only human who would survive would be David Eckstein" -PT
So when Springer is added, who's the loser of 40-Man Roster Survivor?
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Jan 25, 2009 2:17 PM PST reply actions
I'm guessing they try to pass Chen through waivers
as they did with Dillon (successfully).
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
very good guess
I’ll bet you’re right.
Batting 4th for the 2014 San Jose A's: 26-year-old RF Justin Upton, in the 1st season of a nine year, $250M deal.
by notsellingjeans on Jan 25, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions

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