The Return of World Baseball Classic
I remember just a few short years ago in March of 2006, the World Baseball Classic came around for its inaugural run. At the start you can say that I was quite the skeptic. My feeling was that the A's had just come off an injury-plagued season and I was afraid that it would only make it worse. The A's have had quite a few injury-plagued seasons since then, but I don't think the WBC had anything to do with it (although I do think Loaiza wound up injured because of his participation in the first tournament).
I had forgotten that it was even coming back this year until recently when my brother sent me a text message asking if I wanted to go see a game with him at Dodger Stadium. I figured it might be fun to go, but the first WBC would be mostly remembered by me for seeing Matsuzaka the first time and looking for the famed gyroball. Well that and the fact that some dude named Stubby Clapp was going to be playing for Canada. Other than that, I didn't get that much into it. I will get more into it this time if AN's own Brad Ziegler makes the USA squad as Flashfire pointed out in his recent Fanpost. I'm still overly paranoid that Joey Devine or Ziegler makes the squad and blows out an elbow or something throwing harder than they're ready to that early in the spring.
So we're almost into February now and before we know it, we're going to see the players working to get ready for the World Baseball Classic. I understand that it matters so much to some of the other countries involved. I mean, the Dominican Republic, Japan and Puerto Rico? I can imagine that this tournament is a great measuring stick by which they draw national pride from. I just don't feel that way. I came around later in the tournament, but initially I just watched the games hoping that any of our potential players didn't get hurt.
Here is my question for you, AN. Do you care about this tournament? Did the last one sell you on it or do you think it's still just a cheap marketing gimmick by Selig and his cronies? Maybe this is one instance where I'm just a cynical dude and I should pony up for my USA cap.
0 recs |
48 comments
|
Comments
I like the tournament
But I don’t like the risk it puts on starting pitchers so early in Spring Training. Ziggy and Devine will be fine whether or not they do it. I’d be worried if Duke was in it (or Harden in years past).
RIVER CATS: AAA CHAMPS!
by niallmack on Jan 20, 2009 11:14 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'd like to combine option A and option B
It’s a gimmick, and I can’t wait for MLB to roll around again. But I do, however, love baseball, and will probably catch several of the games when I am able to.
by NateHST on Jan 20, 2009 11:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Kind of Where I Stand on This
Baseball is an international game and it’s wonderful that there is now a World Cup-like showcase for the various nations who play it.
The problem is that it’s run by the idiots in charge of MLB (and, yes, Bud, I’m unfortunately lookin’ at you). So it is as much intended as an MLB gimmick as anything else.
It’s probably inevitable that any organized, international baseball tournament will be led by the U.S. We invented the game and we are still the dominant power in it, even if we don’t always win international tournaments. We certainly have the world’s premier professional leagues.
But the WBC would be better if it were under some FIFA-like organization separate from MLB.
Then again, FIFA pretty much sucks, too.
So I chose option A.
Why let the perfect be the enemy of the good? An international baseball tournament is a wonderful thing. I plan to enjoy it!
by GreenNGoldSooner on Jan 21, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted for the 2nd option
But it’s not like I’ll intentionally not watch it. It’s baseball, and any baseball works for me; however, I don’t care about it at all. It’s a silly tournament that means nothing and proves nothing, and I worry that it hurts the quality of the MLB season because players can’t get ready.
If I had to choose, I’d prefer it didn’t exist. I’d rather watch spring training games. If it’s on the TV though, I’ll have it on.
by thejd44 on Jan 20, 2009 11:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I guess that's pretty similar to how I feel about it
I’ll watch because I love the sport, but it ultimately doesn’t mean much. The interesting thing is that the old Canada Cup back in the day was a great tournament and I loved it. Maybe I’m just older and more of a cynical bastard or something.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Jan 21, 2009 12:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Means nothing and proves nothing?
Maybe to you, but it certainly does to the guys playing in it……Means a lot. Listen to the interviews and read the quotes.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jan 21, 2009 12:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care what the players say
It means nothing. I didn’t even know who won the last one until someone on the radio mentioned it a few minutes ago. It’s a meaningless tournament of one-game matchups in a sport where one-game matchups are fairly pointless.
So you really think Japan has the best baseball players in the world?
by thejd44 on Jan 21, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree
it’s a gimmick that I will watch. I think it’s a great way to boost baseball’s interest internationally, and I would prefer that it wasn’t during Spring Training….just can’t think of another time to play it. But it is kind of a joke. Denorfia playing for Italy? A Rod playing for the DR? I mean, if your mom is Italian and your dad is Mexican, would you have three teams to choose from?
by scatterbrian on Jan 21, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am warming to it
and I intend to go to the USA versus Canada game on March 5th. I will be wearing an A’s hat and an Obama sweatshirt.
More Rajai Davis & less mount Davis
by Athletics fan and runner on Jan 21, 2009 6:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Just not really into it. My thirst for baseball will be soon be quenched by the only team that matters to me.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jan 21, 2009 7:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping this becomes the world cup someday
If you’ve ever lived in a soccer loving country during the world cup, you know there’s an excitement about that tournament that nothing else matches. Not the Super Bowl, not the Olympics, nothing.
Baseball is almost as big as soccer. Basketball may be the second most played sport, but baseball is the only major sport other than soccer that is truly THE national passion in many cultures. Plus, north americans actually CARE about baseball.
I know all the reasons why the WBC probably won’t become baseball’s world cup, but if A’s fans didn’t know how to hope, what would we have? I enjoy the games, but more than that I enjoy thinking about what this could become.
the best investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle. getting back 5 cents on the dollar is better than a lot of stocks have done recently.
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 21, 2009 7:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I enjoy baseball a lot too
but I wouldn’t go as far as saying that its almost as big as soccer. I would expect to see Rugby reach that point first or Football for that matter. Don’t get me wrong Id love to see it happen but I think the chances of that are nil.
by Amnesiac on Jan 21, 2009 8:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, in terms of the number of people who consider it their number one sport
I’m going to go ahead and say that cricket is more popular than rugby or baseball.
when did we stop using adverbs proper?
by alea iacta est on Jan 21, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you may be right in terms of absolute numbers of people
But my metric is a sport that is #1 in popularity in a lot of otherwise unconnected countries AND one of the big 4 sports in the developed world (soccer, baseball, basketball and football, and I think in that order).
The metric is not random; to have a world cup like event, you need broad following, lots of money (plus a strong belief among fans, players and owners that the tournament matters hugely.)
Cricket and rugby are UK / Commonwealth sports that are really only barely mainstream in the home country anymore. They do not have wide popular appeal beyond india/pakistan (cricket) and aust / nz (rugby). Football has not taken hold outside of North America. Basketball is nowhere #1. Hockey is pretty much limited to northern climes.
Baseball is the only other sport that has a chance of creating something like the World Cup. I think it’s highly unlikely because players and owners right now do not think it’s important. But Latin American fans are starting to think it means something, and if that feeling grows over time, the players and owners will come along.
Unlikely, but imo not impossible
the best investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle. getting back 5 cents on the dollar is better than a lot of stocks have done recently.
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 21, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
granted
you are right on most this, of course. don’t forget to add bangladesh to that list, too. 153 million people is not to be sneezed at! You’re wrong about Cricket being barely mainstream in the UK. Go round the countryside and towns in the summertime, and i guarantee you you will see plenty of games. Participation and interest are still high. And come this summer (vs Australia), people will get very excited. for about a half hour, until things start to go tits up.
I just like to mention cricket’s popularity occasionally as i think some US residents dismiss it as it’s not big here. and some people find it boring. fools!
personally speaking i’d suspect that Basketball has more of a chance of having a soccer type world cup – it’s very big in southern europe, is growing in the caribean, SE Asia, etc.
and it has a couple of advantages over Baseball – it’s easy to explain, and has low barriers to participation. Like soccer, you just need a ball (and a hoop). and one person. Baseball, you need a few people, a bat, a ball, some rules…
i’m not saying that Basketball is a “better” sport – i find baseball infinitely preferable – but it would seem to me to have more chance of spreading and becoming a truely global game. but hey, who knows?
when did we stop using adverbs proper?
by alea iacta est on Jan 21, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on the basketball points
Plus, the tournament format is far more conducive to basketball.
Of course, we already have the Olympics for basketball and I’m not sure what the real difference would be.
by thejd44 on Jan 21, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you may be right about cricket
but when I lived in london in the late 80’s I never met anyone who actually enjoyed the games and followed them. that may be a city vs country thing.
Of course, some people would go to matches and drink all day. wait a minute . . . sounds like baseball!
the best investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle. getting back 5 cents on the dollar is better than a lot of stocks have done recently.
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 21, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hit the nail on the head
when i moved over here, i took an instant like to baseball – it has a similar tempo to cricket (slow, slow, slow, FAST!), albeit over a slightly shorter period of time. However, a lot of my friends back in the UK are very sniffy about it. But when you say something like, hey, how do you not like sitting inthe sunshine, watching some sports and drinking beer? all for a low, low price? they get it eventually. What baseball does share with cricket is that the more closerly you watch it, the more you enjoy it. That, and the less that happens during a game, the tenser it is. Now that’s good watchin’
when did we stop using adverbs proper?
by alea iacta est on Jan 21, 2009 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've noticed
that friends from non-baseball countries have a really hard time actually getting into the game . . . unless they were from cricket playing countries.
drinking all day is a global sport. maybe there should be a world cup for that?
the best investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle. getting back 5 cents on the dollar is better than a lot of stocks have done recently.
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 21, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The reason a world cup doesn't work in baseball
is because, largely, the best baseball players already play against each other. Sure, Japan has a decent league. And there are winter leagues in Latin America that are at a high level, but baseball’s World Cup is the Major League Baseball season.
My knowledge of soccer leagues is somewhat limited, but I’m under the impression that soccer has more than one Major League in Europe alone. It seems like every four years is the only time soccer fans can really see all the best players in the world play each other. In baseball, that’s not so.
by thejd44 on Jan 21, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point . . .
. . . though i think you do pretty much have the same thing in soccer. I don’t really understand the structure of the european leagues, but they do have most of the best players in the world and there is a championship each year.
the world cup adds the national competition, and is wildly successful because of it. kids grow up wanting to play for their national team. they make their $$ in the regular leagues, but the dream is the Cup.
the best investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle. getting back 5 cents on the dollar is better than a lot of stocks have done recently.
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 21, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is a thing called Champions League
which is played parallel to European Major Leagues (Tuesdays and Wednesdays). So apart from rising stars in South America, soccer clashes on the highest levels are nothing extraordinary — they happen weekly as opposed daily in baseball.
The main difference is that soccer is played everywhere, really everywhere, whereas baseball is much less spread.
by elcroata on Jan 21, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"sport that is #1 in popularity in a lot of otherwise unconnected countries"
Apart from North and Latin America, which are obviously connected, where else is baseball a sport number 1? Japan, for sure — but where else? Korea? Taipei? Even so, “two” hardly constitutes “a lot”. For every country that calls it a sport #1, there are at least 10 where 90% of the population never heard of it.
Calling it one of the big 4 sports in developed world is IMO also exaggerated. Parts of Europe classify as such and baseball is not even a big 40 sport over here.
So, in terms of world, there is definitely not a broad following of baseball, nothing comparable with soccer, but also not even basketball or hockey. BTW, there is a world cup in baseball. Not with MLB players, of course, but one exists for ages and it never caught on.
by elcroata on Jan 21, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
granted, i'm making this all up
and baseball isn’t close to soccer. but if you add N America, Latin America, japan and southeast asia, pretty soon you’re talking real numbers.
If you compared global revenues for baseball, football, soccer, basketball and hockey worldwide you’d find baseball at least #3. Soccer is surely #1, and i just don’t know where football and baseball rank. But they’re above basketball and definitely above hockey.
Baseball absolutely has a wider following than hockey; just add the population of the countries (and you only get 1/2 the US). Basketball may be as big or bigger in total, but I really think that basketball comes in 2nd, 3rd or worse in almost every country.
the best investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle. getting back 5 cents on the dollar is better than a lot of stocks have done recently.
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 21, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Adding it up...
…is a pretty quick exercise. There is no such thing as “Baseball in SE Asia”. There is baseball in Japan and baseball in Korea and baseball in Chinese Taipei. That is 3 countries.
North America consists of two more.
Add Dominican Republic, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Panama and Mexico and you are talking about 11 countries. Baseball’s biggest problem is that in other 184 it is a pretty marginal sport, if one at all.
You can not build a world cup fever, if a sport is basically unknown in more than 90% of the world’s countries. Comparing revenues as you propose does not show how spread a sport is, as totally made up, but still probably accurate 99.99% of baseball revenue comes from US, Canada and Japan.
by elcroata on Jan 21, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
by my reckoning
that’s about 700 million people and >1/3 of world gdp. you can make a tournament out of that.
it’s not soccer, as I’ve said, and I don’t think it’ll happen. but it would be cool, and it’s not completely unrealistic to think it could happen.
ps I wrote “SE Asia” rather than “Korea, Taipei and maybe Hong Kong since I hear that it’s gaining ground there” but I don’t disagree with you.
the best investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle. getting back 5 cents on the dollar is better than a lot of stocks have done recently.
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 21, 2009 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
700 million people...
…still spread over only some 15 countries. By that measure, Ping-Pong World Cup would reign over everything else.
Again, you can make a tournament out of this. Hell, there’s been Baseball World Cup since 1938 — just ask Cubans, they won it 22 times — but it will never be a world event. This year it will partly take place close to where I live and play – and everybody here says “meh”. If the MLB stars were playing instead of college kids and minor leaguers, everybody would still say “meh”. The real excitement would be limited to the above mentioned dozen countries.
I am not saying it would not be a watchable affair or that is completely unrealistic. I am only saying that if it does happen, most of the world won’t even notice.
by elcroata on Jan 21, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'll bet it's not even being screened in, say, Italy
marco scutero or no
when did we stop using adverbs proper?
by alea iacta est on Jan 21, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
total revenue is as bad an indicator of a sport's global popularity
as total number of fans, really. and how do you judge revenue? are you just going by spectators, or tv revenues, sponserships, etc etc? I mean, I’d say that horseracing, worldwide, probably has a greater revenue and following than baseball
when did we stop using adverbs proper?
by alea iacta est on Jan 21, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
total revenue is the BEST indicator
of whether you could potentially make a tournament work
and can you name a major country where horse racing is seriously the national sport?
let’s don’t take this too seriously (like I am . . . ) – I don’t think it will happen. But I think it’s possible.
the best investment advice is to drink heavily and recycle. getting back 5 cents on the dollar is better than a lot of stocks have done recently.
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jan 21, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
right right
don’t worry, i’m not taking it seriously – just filling in time on a slow work day.
think we’re disagreeing, but making the same point – i reckon horseracing worldwide has a greater revenue than baseball, but i’d never expect there to be a successful world tourney – hence, total revenue not being a great indicator.
when did we stop using adverbs proper?
by alea iacta est on Jan 21, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to the semis and finals again
So, I think you know my opinion of it.
It has its flaws but it’s still a lot of fun.
Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog
by Flashfire on Jan 21, 2009 7:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I love the WBC.
I sometimes wish it was played in December in a warm climate country, but I’ll take it as is. It’s a great opportunity to showcase some talent from other nations that might not garner attention without it. I hope MLB takes the opportunity to highlight baseball as it’s played in other nations, especially baseball with a latin flavor. They have their own network now, which should help immensely. We watch the highest caliber of play possible on a regular basis in the US, so its understandable that we would worry more about “our” players being injured For the rest of the world, this may be the biggest showcase of all for their homegrown talent.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
by alox on Jan 21, 2009 8:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Totally Agree
I’m still not clear why it isn’t in November or December, but I’ll take it in March. i went to the semifinals and finals last year in San Diego and I thought it was amazing. The energy amongst the fans during the Japan vs. Korea game was one of the most charged baseball atmospheres I’ve ever been apart of. And the final was great too. I think Blez is missing another option in the poll: D, I love the WBC and of course I’ll watch it.
As far as injuries; these are pros, if they are planning on playing in the WBC, they should get their act together and be prepared for it in March. You can’t blame the tournament, you can only blame the players for not being in baseball shape and injuring themselves because of it. That being said, it would suck for one our guys to get hurt. But hey, maybe John Lackey will be the guy who goes down.
by dolemite on Jan 21, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WBC, ASG, HoF, NFL, NBA
ZZZZZZZZ
A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jan 21, 2009 9:32 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The problem with it is that it's scheduled pretty much simultaneously to March Madness
which is a bad idea. Bad, bad, bad idea. March Madness is, sorry folks, considerably more interesting. There’s no incentive on my part to watch as more than a casual flip-over during the commercials.
Any reasonable attempt at an event like this would be in midsummer. But the powers that be are more interested in the gimmick than in a truly elite competition.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Jan 21, 2009 9:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point.
As a fan, would you support hosting the WBC in the middle of summer? I wouldn’t. The season means far more to me than the tournament.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
by alox on Jan 21, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I think international sporting events are extremely important and should be promoted where possible. I also don’t give a hoot about baseball’s reactionary desire to make every season exactly the same as every other season.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
by PaulThomas on Jan 21, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WBC is awesome
It’s a shame that it’s scheduled so close to the regular season, in that a lot of the greats won’t disrupt their spring training preparation to participate. But I can’t wait until the games start.
With powerhouses like Cuba, Japan, Korea, DR, USA, hell even Canada is looking good with Harden, Dempster, Bedard, Russell Martin, Joey Votto, Jason Bay, Morneau, Stairs…
How can you not be excited?!
by nickolai on Jan 21, 2009 10:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Har har, har-de-Hardard
A B -3X = Swedish girls like chocolate @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jan 21, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm torn on this, because I really like the idea of the WBC but not the way it
is structured currently, and definitely not the way it is currently scheduled.
I’m on board with the round-robin approach to the first round, but the one game playoffs from there are a bit antithetical to baseball competition in my view- I’d like at least a best of three series for the semifinals and the final.
The scheduling of it really needs to change, though- I do not see the wisdom of having it during the MLB spring training period, and I think the number of MLB players who choose not to participate bears my opinion out on that.
If they’re serious about it, then I think they should have it every 4 years and work it into the MLB schedule in the form of a 2 or 3 week break. This would not be a tremendous problem if only done every 4 years, and the timing could be basically an extended All-star break in July (with the All-star game capping off the break or something that particular year.)
This sort of scheduling would mean that the vast majority of MLB players would be in mid-season form and this would lead to a better overall competition with more participation from both U.S. players and MLB players that could represent other nations (through either 2nd generation connection or 1st generation status.)
Having the tournament in the early spring when MLB players aren’t in regular-season form yet does not encourage full player participation, and honestly I don’t blame them for not wanting to risk a pre-season injury or to sacrifice their preparation time for the regular season (which is also time spent becoming part of a cohesive team with other players and the coaches, manager, etc.)
Having said that, I think it’s a good idea overall (especially if there will be no baseball in the Olympics from here on out) and if I can watch any of it I suppose I’ll check it out.
by still bills kingdom on Jan 21, 2009 10:27 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I like your midseason idea
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Jan 21, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do the WBC and Spring Training games happen at the same time?
I like the WBC and will watch it but it is sort of gimmicky.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on Jan 21, 2009 10:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
Guys in WBC just wont be with their teams in ST for that stretch.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on Jan 21, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the A's or the game? its tough to choose...
If I love the game or the A’s more. usually i wind up on the A’s and for those reasons I’m part concerned with the players (specifically pitchers) being injured and also partly annoyed that we don’t have more representation on the teams (although CarGo is playing and he’s still an A to me).
but on days that I love the game more than I love my home team, the Baseball Classic is a godsend. I wish American players and fans cared as much as Dominican and Cuban and Japanese and almost everyone else’s fans cared. This is America’s game, but our neo-colonies play much better than we do and MLB is full of foreign born talent. If those players stayed at home and played in their national leagues, MLB would be a joke. The Classic is the one forum for players to demonstrate who they are as people. 80% of MLB all stars merely earn paychecks in America, but they play with the passion and joy of little leaguers at the World Classic and it makes for much better baseball.
I hope the World Baseball Classic sticks around and moreover, I hope that MLB will show the deference that other leagues have been forced to afford it to ensure they field competitive teams. There’s no reason we can’t have a 2-week layoff once every 3 summers. Maybe in those seasons MLB could try this odd little thing called the “Double Header”, it’d be nice if they could remember what one is.
Matt
Go A's - Bobby Crosby will be a star, I promise
by IBSlater on Jan 21, 2009 11:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I was a skeptic too
But then I saw a couple games in Phoenix during WBC’s first “season” and had a blast. Lots of fun. Lots of fans from Mexico had driven up for the games and it was great to sit with them. I have little Spanish and those guys not much English, but we all spoke baseball and managed to communicate.
I thought the level of competition was generally quite high and as IBSlater commented..the players play with passion and joy.
I’d go again if I had the opportunity.
"And sometimes, when it seems like all hope is gone, Life tosses you a special gift of a baseball game" . 7/10/08 BaseBallGirl headline
by LongTimeFan on Jan 21, 2009 1:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

by 



















