DLD (1/20/09): Duke worth $4.6 million?
by athleticsBB4life on Jan 20, 2009 6:14 PM PST
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PrintSalary arbitration figures were exchanged between the A's ($3 million) and Duchscherer ($4.6 million) today.
- There's a $1.6 million difference between the figures, but both sides expressed cautious optimism that the final step of the process -- an early February hearing -- won't be necessary.
- Forst called the middle ground, which in this case is $3.8 million, "something of a guide" in negotiations, but noted that it doesn't always end up being the number the sides settle on to avoid a hearing.
My take: BB hasn't lost a case, defeating Ariel Prieto and Juan Cruz in recent memory. So Duke would be smart to accept about $3.5 million to avoid BB telling the arbitrator how he's unable to stay healthy for a full season.
It doesn't seem like the A's will go after a veteran starting pitcher, but a reliever remains a possibility.
- So a few words of caution to any A's fans still hoping to see the likes of Ben Sheets, Tom Glavine, Jon Garland, Pedro Martinez, Randy Wolf, Paul Byrd, Freddy Garcia, Kenny Rogers, Andy Pettitte or even Mark Mulder in white cleats when pitchers and catchers report to Phoenix on Feb. 14: - Don't hold your breath.
- With the exception of Brad Ziegler and Joey Devine, who are tentatively slated to share closing duties, nobody on the current roster has a defined role for 2009, so Beane is scouring the free-agent market; veterans Dennys Reyes and Russ Springer have been named as potential targets.
In the "in case you missed it" category Joe Dillon cleared waivers.
- Dillon cleared waivers and was removed from the Athletics’ 40-man roster. Milwaukee previously lost Dillon to the A’s on an Oct. 31 waiver claim, but this time the 33-year-old veteran made it through waivers. The Brewers were trying to outright him to the minors so that they could make room for waiver claim Casey McGehee, whom they plucked from the Cubs.
Besides that, all is quiet on the hot stove front for the A's.
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I think Duke would be wise to take the "extra" $500,000 - $800,000
why take the risk? his hip could fall off during the season, I would take the sure thing while I could. He also could have a great year and then dive into the FA pool net year and make tons of money.
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He had a great year last year, despite injuries
and as he was paid very little compared to many players around the league, he rightfully believes he is worth more.
But I feel that its never good to make it to the Arbitration hearing. It alawys ends up, win or lose, hurting the player and the relations between the player and the team. Hell, look at Juan Cruz! He had a horrible year with the A’s after that. Now, he’s a Type A Free Agent.
Doctor Baron Van Evil Satan
I think the A's should pay him what he is worth
I mean, they obviously are going to rely on him to lead the rotation since they haven’t and most likely won’t sign a vet starter. Of course, being a business they are going to try and save money where they can.
But I was thinking more from Duke’s perspective, taking the sure thing instead of risking losing the “extra” money through a possibly hurtful hearing (as you mentioned).
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You think the A's should pay him $15m?
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duke's previous salaries
2006: $344,500
2007: $1,187,500
2008: $1,200,000
2009: between 3 and 4.6 million
For a two time all-star, the A’s have gotten a pretty nice deal with duke.
I like Duke, he is a great pitcher.
but his 1st all-star selection was kind of because the A’s didn’t have anyone else worthy of selection.
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Dillon clearing waivers is good
I thought he might; he already went through more than half the teams in MLB just to get to Oakland. I assume that this also means that he chose to stay with the A’s (a reasonable choice given Chavez’s unclear health situation) rather than electing free agency, as I believe he’s been outrighted before. Probably means they gave him a decently lucrative minor league deal ($200K or so) to stay on.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
yeah
I mean, try to lowball him as much as possible, but if worst comes to worst 4.6 mil isn’t bad for someone of his skill. When he is healthy he is clean pimpin on the mound and the A’s starting pitching is in no position to be letting people walk off over disputes of the odd million. If CC is worth hundreds of mills, the Duke is worth 4.6 for sure.
bring back rickey
fangraphs data
according to fangraphs, duke was worth:
7.4 million in 2005
7.0 million in 2006
(0.9 million) in 2007
and 13.4 million in 2008 – first year as a starter, where he pitched 140 innings
I’ve heard that in the last year of arbitration a player should get about 80% of his free market value. (is this a good assumption? – i’ve heard 40/60/80)
So on the free market would duke get 3.6 or 5.5 million a year?
Assuming he’s fully healthy right now – I think Duke has a good case.
if you built a team on the fangraphs numbers
to get 90+ wins, you’d need to spend $300M! Those fangraphs numbers are for prime free agents only, not for arbitration-level players or 32+ year old players.
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by JJ on Jan 21, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Correct
~$5 million per win on the open market. Since arbitration-eligible players aren’t on the open market, they’re forced to accept less than they’re worth.
by thejd44 on Jan 21, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Well, when healthy, Duke's value to the A's is priceless.
I just worry that if he ends up having a great year and stays healthy the A’s are not gonna be willing to pay him free agent money, which would suck since Duke has been my favorite player since he came up as an Athletic. I guess you cross that bridge when you come to it, but whatever Duke comes away with in his arby case, more power to him. He’s the man!
Hate to break it to you, mrod:
Unless homeboy has a serious arm/shoulder/elbow injury, he’ll be making his bread elsewhere in 2010. I’m keen on the Duke, too, so I feel your pain.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
Duke is absolutely worth more than 1 WAR
It’s his 3rd arby year, I believe, so he should be getting 80% of free market value (I think, again, I forget the exact numbers). Duke has to be at least a 2 WAR pitcher, taking into account his health. The A’s are getting a deal even if Duke gets what he wants.
by thejd44 on Jan 20, 2009 8:13 PM PST reply actions
don't dick around with the duke
the ace of the staff? who’s more important to the team’s chances besides holiday? pay him.
"We're Menudo," -BB
Sign a longer deal now!
Duke: short of free agency, arbi-capped at something well below his actual value, and facing health uncertainty which lower his present value and threaten his long-term ability to score a big contract.
Doesn’t this then put the A’s in ta good place to negotiate a longer deal? Taking a calculated risk and offering Duke a three or four year deal, they could lock down a pitcher which, should he stay healthy, could give them a top-of-the-rotation starter at a relative bargain price.
This presumes Duke is willing to forgo his potential free agency bonanza in favor of some security in light of his injury history. He may well be; in any case, it reads to me like both sides have some good incentives to reach agreement now, not just on one year to avoid an arbitration hearing (which is pretty much a given), but for several years to come.
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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 20, 2009 9:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
I was thinking the same thing. Duke, who’s made somewhere between 3 and 4 million dollars in his career so far, can guarantee himself $20 million or so, and the A’s can potentially get a huge bargain if he can stay healthy.
Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough
by andeux on Jan 20, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Duke would do it
Or at least I wouldn’t if I were him. He’s already in his 30’s so his first FA will probably be the best one he’ll ever see and it’s only 1 year away. I know he’s been making peanuts for so long that $20M would look great but he (or at least his agent) has to know what talent like him is worth on the free market. He’s not gonna sign for a major discount this close to free agency.
I understand that Duke has major injury concerns which could lead him to sign for cheaper, but he is coming off injury right now. Even if he has an injury-shortened year similar to 2008 his value is probably about the same as it is now so unless he has a major (like TJ) injury he should be in at least equal bargaining position as a FA.
In my mind the benefit of getting to be a FA out-weighs the risk of serious injury, even for Duke, over a single season.
I totally agree with you FSU.
If the A’s wanted to work out an extension right now, you tthink Duke would not jump at the chance to sign? How many times has he said over and over again, “I would really love to stay here in Oakland. I would love to get an extension done.”?
Maybe it’s Billy Beane being uber-cautious because he doesn’t want to risk getting stuck with another injured player who’s eating up payroll. Who knows? But you would think the A’s, from a business negotiating perspective, would see this as an opportunity to secure Duke’s services for well below market value.
i seem to remember last year
when duchscherererer was talking about a two year deal, Beane’s response was something along the lines of ‘well, we like him a lot, but he’s going to have to prove he can stay fit’.
i think he went on the DL a couple of days later.
when did we stop using adverbs proper?
by alea iacta est on Jan 21, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think the A's will extend Duke.
The A’s have a lot of young pitchers coming up the pipeline. They are all going to be cheaper and healthier. Cahill and Anderson are going to be better. Gonzalez and Gallagher should be top to mid rotation starters in the next year or two. And there’s still Mazzaro, Simmosn and Outman.
Doctor Baron Van Evil Satan
Duke has been pretty good when healthy
I’d be happy if ONE of the prospects has one 159 ERA+ as a starter. That being said Duke only threw 140+ innings last year. I guess it’s a matter of replacement value. If Duke would sign for the right price the upside is there to make it work.
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his FIP was 3.69 though
and he projects to be about the same next year.
But he’s also an injury prone pitcher, and its generally unwise to sign such pitchers to long term deals. Especially when you have good, young, healthy and cheap pitchers coming up behind to take their place.
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You can never have too many of them.
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Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
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Pitchers are like Toasters
once you stick a fork in em, they either electrocute you or violently explode.
But, Pitchers, like Toasters, do have an affinity to the team they once served.
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Pitchers are like toasters
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True story.
I stuck a fork in a toaster once when I got a bagel stuck. I wasn’t electrocuted AND it didn’t explode. A tine of the fork blew off, the microwave flashed, and the breaker for the bathroom tripped. My mother, in the bathroom getting ready for work, was pissed because she was blow drying her hair.
We kept the the fork in the drawer for a little bit as a reminder of the day I almost died.
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He is worth atleast 4.6
I thought it was interesting Grienke asked the royals for about 4.5 mil. and Duke in his career has been a better reliver and a better starter than Grienke.
Duke's previous salaries are his major problem.
There’s been some mention of the 40/60/80 estimation rule for arbitration compared to FA worth. But that ratio is more applicable for ratio of raises. Duke is asking for about a 300% raise from his previous salary. While objectively I think he is pretty obviously worth even more than that, in the framework of the arbitration system it’s going to be hard for him to make the case that an injury shortened season is enough to warrant a tripling of his salary.
His best argument is that because he made a switch from RP to SP which makes his a special case, but then Beane and Co. can argue that his injuries and IP from last year don’t match up for a SP.
I think Duke is definitely worth $4.6M, and has a shot at getting it in arbitration but it certainly a done deal for him so I would expect a compromise
The large raise is the only thing against him
Even the injuries argument doesn’t hold a whole lot of water because he still managed to pitch 140+ innings last year at a very very high level, certainly worth $4.6 million. Its only a question of the large increase.
The one thing I noted in my blog post on this is that it’s only such a large raise because Duke was injured last season and saw a raise from 1.185 to 1.2. If he had gone on the normal progression and made $2-2.3 mil last year, a 100% increase would be perfectly reasonable and normal.
That’s why I think Duke likely has a bit more leverage and I expect the two to settle at like $4 million, though that number would assume Duke’s side wins 62.5% of the time, which seems a little high considering how arbitration has played out over the years (something like 58% win for the owners), so maybe $3.9 is the final number they settle on.
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by iamawesomer on Jan 21, 2009 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Love the image
Although it’s sad that none of those players (at least the ones with legible names) are still with the team.
I bet they still root for Duchschererererer though.
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Crosby and Chavy
Sadly, since that photo was taken Middle Chavy (second from the right) suffered a serious accident. He’s now missing the bill of his hat. I cried. Anyone have a Middle Chavy I can buy?
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All my Chavys have broken parts
Big and Middle have busted bills, Little has a cracked lower thorax. That’s what I get for letting my kids play with ’em.
I won’t make that same mistake with bobble Mark, Bobby and Milton…they’re perched precariously on an unsecured shelf waiting to make their last nods at me when the time comes, ready to say, “Yes, FSU, the ground is shaking.”
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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 21, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
howzabout we hire Obby Rosby to babysit?
SS problem: halfway solved
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Duke will have an all star bobblehead this year
As I heard only other one right now is Giambi, No Rickey as of now. But Rickey day will be Aug 1st.
by Athletix Man on Jan 21, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
Know what that scene needs?
Nuns.
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
The Duke is worth the $$, the A's are being cheap,-cheap & cheap.
Ok, so 4.6 million or 4.0 million for an all star pitcher, come on Billy are you working for an organization where the money is that tight or you can’t stand to have someone who can pitch for you that getting over $4 mill.. Maybe I am missing something but I don’t get it. You have no fan base, the media plays the A’s as if they were a AAA team that is going to send all the good/ developed to the major TEAMS. You sign Holliday ( i hope he can stay for more than 1 yr.,please Lord make it so) , who is expected to leave after on year at most. and then sign our own 38 yr. old wonderkin ( who I hope can still hit ). But no major players in their prime, no stars, no pitchers , who have the stuff and want to stay here. Billy, remember you need to fill those seats with FANs and your way has not worked at all. Where is the fan base, where ?. The marketing of this organization is a joke. Please sign some guys who can make a difference and who want to be here- you too damn cheap!!
The A's are not being cheap. Why does NOBODY seem to understand business?
Maybe they should just give him Eleventy-billion dollars because he’s a really sweet man. Yeah, that’s wise.
Point 1) It’s stupid to overpay a player whose rights you already own. Duke is going to be on the A’s next year, unless they trade him. So, really, it doesn’t matter.
Point 2) The A’s aren’t a big-market team until they can draw more than 15,000 people to a game. Until you have people coming to games, you can’t spend money.
Point 3) Signing players doesn’t make fans show up. Winning does. Even then, A’s fans don’t really show up to a great extent. Fans do not care if you win 90 games with a bunch of rookies or a bunch of superstars.
by thejd44 on Jan 21, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Its not just winning though
its having a team thats exciting as well. Having players that the fans, especially casual fans, can identify with and cheer for. Thats what we had in the late 80’s with McGwire, Canseco, Stewart, Rickey, etc. Players that were exciting, and teams that were good.
To the Casual fan, a boring win is still boring.
Doctor Baron Van Evil Satan
Would you take a boring World Series win or an exciting World Series win?
Would you take a boring winning record team that fall short of the playoffs or an exciting winning record team that falls short of the playoffs?
My point is that you don’t have to be boring to win, but the A’s choose to be boring. And because they are boring, the casual fans don’t come. Because the casual fans don’t come, the team has no money.
Doctor Baron Van Evil Satan
That's not why the casual fans choose not to come
The casual fans choose not to come because they’re frigging poor and would prefer to buy things like “food”.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
They don't choose to be boring
I found the 2006 team exciting. They’ve been boring the last two years because they sucked.
Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough
players the fans can cheer for
Having players that the fans, especially casual fans, can identify with and cheer for.
I would say that is more a function of the marketing department than the identity, personality or skill of the player. Up here in Seattle they do a very fine job of marketing the players, and it doesn’t seem to make much difference if the players are any good. All that seems to matter is (1) if the casual fan has heard their name before and (2) the player sticks around for a while. Then the marketing machine does it’s job and — hey presto — the M’s have a “star”.
This has a lot to do with why the M’s have trouble putting up a good team. (Or, from the front office’s point of view, why the M’s don’t need to put up a good team.) The casual fans — ie, the ones who buy all the tickets; not the ones who populate LL and USSM — have very little idea which players are good. Richie Sexson had to suck for about three years before the casual fans finally figured out he isn’t awesome. On the flip side, the casual fan didn’t much care that Adam Jones was traded away, because there was very little marketing invested in him.
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by iglew on Jan 21, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
the game ain't played by ROBOTS, maaaan!
It’s played by big, burly, sweaty guys who splash on the Old Spice but burst into tears at the first sign of adversity or huwt feewings.
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Or kittens.
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Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
Although I (generally) agree
The even larger point is that they seem to suggest they’ll settle. One of the joys of baseball arbitration is that by submitting the terms of negotiation are framed (and both sides have to be reasonable in framing them).
“Being cheap” by dramatically undervaluing the player would be stupid in a baseball arbitration, which is why no one ever does it.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
great points nevermoor
I say offer Duke 3 years $12 million (maybe throw in some incentive dollars for greater than 150 IP/year).
As long as he is healthy 50% of the time during the last two years of the contract, (when he would be a free agent) the A’s will get their money worth. Duke meanwhile, gets an amount adequate to totally secure his family’s future for the rest of his life, with the opportunity to bank a lot more if he stays healthy.
If the A’s don’t end up needing him, that is a very tradeable contract despite his health.
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by connie mack on Jan 22, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
and that would be an even bigger steal than Ellis' contract.
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Joe Morgan returning to ESPN Sunday Night Baseball broadcasts
Earlier this offseason there was speculation that the Miller-Morgan broadcast team would be broken up, but no such luck. There will instead be a third man in the booth: Striaght from the press release:
ESPN’s talented Sunday Night Baseball commentator team of Jon Miller and Hall of Famer Joe Morgan, entering their 20th season together in the booth, will be joined each week by analyst Steve Phillips. Phillips, who joined ESPN in 2005, will make his regular-season debut on Opening Night, April 5, when the defending World Champion Philadelphia Phillies host the Atlanta Braves at 8 p.m. ET on ESPN2 HD.
Let’s hear about it direct from Joe:
Morgan added, "I’m pleased that Steve is joining our Sunday Night team. I have admired Steve since I met him as a general manager, and now as a valued member of the ESPN ‘family.’ I look forward to interacting with Steve and Jon, with whom I have had 19 fulfilling years on the Sunday Night game of the week. My hope is that our new lineup will provide an even better presentation, and I am anxious to work toward that goal with Jon, Steve and the rest of the ESPN baseball group."
Apparently Peter Gammons, who has worked as a field reporter on the broadcasts, is going back to the studio.
Now, more than ever, I wish FJM was still active
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Gah!
Good thing the A’s are never on Sunday Night Baseball.
by whiteshoes40 on Jan 21, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Jeff Kent to Retire
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3849334
HOFer?
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-Charles Manson
Sure, why not.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 21, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions
He'll forever be
Lou Gherig to Bonds Babe Ruth. Minus the actual championships.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
He'll never
have a disease named after him. Clubhouse cancer doesn’t count. (Not that he was one, just trying to insert an ounce of humor. It appears I fell short. By about an ounce).
I'm here to talk about the past.
No matter.
Kent and Bonds are both getting just about what they deserve.
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Q: What does Lou Gehrig have in common with
Mahatma Gandhi and Genghis Khan?
A: People are tempted to misspell his name by putting the H right after the G.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
Well, I guess I'm
fortunate that they’re all dead. Well, at least Genghis. The other two seemed like really nice guys.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
And we complained
about Rickey. The Hall sent this to me today about Joltin’ Joe. Fricking Corky.
I'm here to talk about the past.
He got 44% of the vote
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by kaweahkaweah on Jan 21, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
who does or doesn't rhyme with Shane Komine?
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
Who?
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
'09 promotions...
Bobble News: Duchschererererer All-Star bobblehead on May 9, and Giambi on August 21. Apparently there will only be two bobbles this year.
And fireworks…
Also wildly popular over the years in Oakland have been the postgame fireworks shows, and Leahey said the A’s, who hosted four last season, have added a fifth for 2009. The dates are April 24, May 23, June 26, Aug. 22, and Sept. 18.
And, of course, Rickey…
Another recent staple in Oakland has been replica-jersey giveaways, and the highlight this season will feature Rickey Henderson, who was elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame last week. On “Rickey Day,” set for Saturday, Aug. 1, Henderson jerseys will be handed out — No. 24 — before the “Man of Steal” is honored in a ceremony on the field. The following day, on Sunday, Aug. 2, the A’s have plans for a Rickey banner giveaway.
I want this:
There also are tentative plans for a turn-back-the-clock game in August; the team will wear the uniforms sported by the Philadelphia A’s, and there will be a corresponding jersey giveaway.
Tickets go on sale on Saturday! Woo!
Definitely want
the Philly uni.
As for the bobbleheads, if memory serves, the A’s add during the year to make certain other potentials are still on the team. Or something like that.
I'm here to talk about the past.
Maybe they could buy a truckload of these and paint “NOT” across them.
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Not exactly
In past years the early promo schedule has shown one or two of the Bobblehead dates as Player TBD…but the promo itself has appeared on the schedule. My guess for ’09 is that they plan only two bobblehead dates. Which makes sense; the phenomenon really does seem to have jumped the shark (and, in the case of the Chavez bobblehead, fallen into the water and been grievously wounded).
"Man is conceived in sin and born in corruption and he passeth from the stink of the didie to the stench of the shroud." Willie Stark
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jan 22, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
That's right, FSU
And I agree; the bobblehead thing has run its course. Although, they should really consider some All-Time (Philadelphia) A’s.
I'm here to talk about the past.
Harry Stovey!
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 22, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions
The I-word
I haven’t read any mention of incentives in Duke’s proposed contract. Wouldn’t that be one way to deal with a player who has his injury history? Are there special rules about incentives in arbitration proposals?
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by Oakville Athletic on Jan 22, 2009 10:43 AM PST reply actions
Not sure about that one.
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The Many Wines-Rumi
Interesting post from the Drumbeat today:
Among the many interesting tidbits from today’s media day with the A’s at the Coliseum: new A’s outfielder Matt Holliday said that he and shortstop Bobby Crosby have been working with former Oakland and St. Louis slugger Mark McGwire and that Crosby’s swing looks terrific.
I’m hoping to get more details from Crosby, but Holliday said that in the few weeks he’s seen Crosby, there’s been a lot of improvement. Holliday says he’s also gotten a lot out of it, citing McGwire’s sensational knowledge of hitting mechanics.
Also:
Daric Barton is recovering not only from hip surgery, but also a recent tonsillectomy. You might recall that Barton had an appendectomy during his first big league camp, and he missed some games last year after banging his head diving into a shallow pool. The new Dan Johnson?
Oh, Dale.
Nice to see Mac getting involved
If only in private.
And whiteshoes, no one says more with two words than you and your “Oh (player)”.
I'm here to talk about the past.
I hope to God that's true
but… give me a break. I’ll believe it when I see it, which is to say, I won’t believe it.
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
I just noticed that
I didn’t even comment on Crosby. Almost as if I didn’t see it.
I'm here to talk about the past.
Appendectomy..tonsillectomy..
Can’t they just remove all the rest of his vestigial parts all at once?
by oblique on Jan 22, 2009 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nope-- it's $4.8 million out of pocket
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
I think the A's cafeteria plan went bankrupt when Joe Blanton left
Many years from now, when his name's recalled
Everyone will say, "He should have passed the ball"
-- Al Stewart, "Football Hero"
Nipplectomy...
Ray: "How fun is it to be up here playing in the Big Leagues?"
Gio: "It's *SUPER* fun!!!"
Interesting about Crosby and Holliday working out with Big Mac.
Hopefully no one accidentally got a needle in the ass………:0
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The Many Wines-Rumi
Just thinking about Duke's value...
He made 22 starts, yeah? So, that leaves some number of starts being taken over by an (one would imagine) inferior pitcher. Given his injury history, you’d have to take into account the crappier innings into his salary negotiation. After all, 22 starts of Duke-quality innings are way more valuable than 32 starts of Duke-quality innings. So, since I’m too lazy to actually see who filled in and how effective they were, can anyone with some free time give me an idea of how much Duke was actually worth last season with 22 good starts and 10 or so of relative crap?
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
And, obviously, I meant:
“32 starts of Duke-quality innings are way more valuable than 22 starts of Duke-quality innings.”
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
No, he is not worth $ 4.6 Million....but
then again most players aren’t worth what they make, so why should Duke be treated any differently? If he’s healthy, he’ll make us all happy regardless of what he is paid and he sinks with injuries the first two months of the season, we’ll all be pissed, regardless of how much he is paid. The A’s claimed to have money to spend this year- it appears the shopping is over, so why not give him the money he is asking for.
The greenmachine
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