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How much is the A's second-round pick worth?

One of AN's favorite discussion topics these days is Orlando Cabrera, and the debate of whether or not he should be pursued to fill the shortstop void. 

While Cabrera provides an upgrade over Bobby Crosby, he also comes at the cost of the A's second-round draft pick. 

But where exactly IS the A's second-round draft pick?

It's not as high of a pick as you might think.

MLBdraftsite.com predicts the the '09 draft, and reviewing their site provides a few important reminders about the '09 draft:

a.) The first round of the draft will have 33 picks, due to the Nationals, Mariners, and Yankees' failure to sign their first-rounders in '08. 

b.) Because of this, the A's have the 13th pick in the first round and the 12th pick in the second round.

c.) The sandwich round between the first and second rounds will probably have between 15 and 20 additional picks, depending upon where the remaining Type A and Type B free agents (who were offered arbitration) end up signing. 

That's a smaller comp round than usual.  In 2007, for example, there were 34 comp picks.

(The comp round has reduced because many teams were hesitant to offer arbitration to players like Adam Dunn and Bobby Abreu this offseason).

What does all that mean for the A's second-round pick?

33 first-round picks + 15-20 comp picks + 11 picks before the A's in the second round = ...

We can expect the A's to pick somewhere between #60 and #65 overall in the second round. According to the slot figures of last year, that pick will cost the A's about $525-550K in signing bonus money.

The A's 13th overall pick will probably cost between $1.6 and $1.7M, while their third rounder (pick #90-95, approximately) will cost about $390K, if they sign according to slot.

So, the A's will either have two picks in the first 100 in next year's draft (#13 and #90ish) if they sign Cabrera, or three picks in the first 100 (#13, #60ish and #90ish) if they don't.  The first scenario will cost about $2M in signing bonuses, and the latter scenario will cost about $2.5M in bonuses.

Another thing to consider is that every imaginable Bobby Crosby suitor has dried up.  The Padres have signed David Eckstein to play second base, and elected to use internal options at short. 

That means that the A's are very likely eating $5.25M of Bobby Crosby for '09, whether he's manning shortstop or not.

So how important is the #60-65 overall pick?  Is it valuable enough that the A's shouldn't pursue Cabrera?  And knowing that Crosby's $5.25M is a sunk cost, how much should the team be willing to pay for Cabrera?

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It depends...

If you think the A’s are contenders then the 1 or 2 extras wins Cabrera gets you could mean everything. If you think the A’s are NOT contenders then the 1 or 2 wins aren’t worth it.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Jan 18, 2009 12:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oh... so ALL second round picks are Trevor Cahill.

PS – Cahill hasn’t done shit in the majors either.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Jan 18, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Piazza was a 62nd round pick!

And he has had a way better career than Cahill.

My feeling is that the A’s should focus on salary, not the draft pick. Cabrera over Crosby, in a year where it looks like the A’s and Angels could have comparable pythags, is worth the pick. I wouldn’t pay more than 5mil/year for Cabrera, though, because he’s not that much of an upgrade.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jan 18, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, and Robnett was a 1st round pick

Perhaps the A’s should graciously agree to donate their 1st rounder instead!

\sarcasm

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jan 18, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You know, the more I've thought about the options at shortstop for 2009 lately,

the more I’ve come around to thinking that a Crosby for Tejada swap, with no extra money changing hands between the clubs, would be a fun and maybe even a good idea.

The Astros definitely could use some payroll reduction, and the A’s can afford effectively an $8MM bump in payroll (roughly the difference in the two salaries for 2009 I think) to bring back Miggy and give him a shot at some A’s glory with his old buddies Chavez and Giambi.

Maybe, to save face a bit, Wade would want something extra besides Crosby- so throw in an average A ball pitching prospect.

I know it’s not popular around here to talk about “intangibles” and such because attempts at quantifying them have failed thus far to yield any conclusive data… but I think we all know that Tejada is one of the more emotional players in the game and I do believe he’d perform at a good level in 2009 for an A’s team looking to make a run at the whole thing… especially because it would be a homecoming of sorts and a chance to make good with some of his old teammates and all that.

Put it this way- I’d rather pay effectively $8MM or so to Tejada to play short for the A’s in 2009 than give up the 2nd round pick and probably end up paying more money overall in 2009 to fill the position (because if you accept Crosby’s contract as being a sunk cost now, you’d have to imagine Cabrera getting less than $4MM in 2009 and I can’t see that happening.)

by still bills kingdom on Jan 18, 2009 2:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you on this one sbk

It pretty much would work out the A’s picking up 8 mill in salary for one year of Miggy and you don’t lose a draft pick, as you mentioned.

Plus, if he has a good, possibly even great, year the A’s probably get a desect pick out of Miggy walking, or maybe another 1 year contract till the A’s have someone else ready to take over at SS.

I would love to see Miggy back in the GNG.

by mrod on Jan 18, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, part of it is probably sentimentality on my part... and part of it is probably being

sick of Crosby getting endless opportunities and failing miserably… I don’t think I can take another season of muttering or outright yelling at the tv (I would never do it at the Coli) “you’re too far off the plate again! Make the adjustment!”

But other aspects of the idea make a lot of sense to me-

- A right-handed hitter who still has reasonable power and can potentially hit for a high average

- A veteran presence and emotional leader

- A reasonable, though not great anymore, defensive shortstop

- A one year commitment

- A fan favorite that could only help with boosting attendance and fan interest in the team again

The risks?

- He’s reaching that “probable decline” phase of his career, as last season indicates

- Potential legal issues/distractions (though I doubt it would keep him off the field in 2009) due to the FBI investigation

I dunno. Probably won’t even happen, but I could see it being a good fit and I don’t think the risks outweigh the potential reward.

by still bills kingdom on Jan 19, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I’d love to see that trade go down. Miggy has at least another big year left in him and is a huge upgrade over public enemy number one Crosby.
On another note, screw that draft list. I glanced though it and saw someone I graduated highschool with (Brett Jackson, from Cal) going in the mid second round to the Dodgers. Not that I wish any ill will to the kid, just depressing to see him about to play in the big leagues while I’m still just sitting around blogging about them. Just hope he doesn’t end up going to the A’s, having to check up on his development might be too much to handle.

bring back rickey

by yo on Jan 18, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If it makes you feel any better, I've heard his blogging skills suck

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jan 18, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt Tejada would clear waivers if the Astros did to him what the A's did to Bob.

If they want to get rid of his contract they could do a lot better than taking Crosby’s back.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Jan 18, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm. You think? I'm not so sure that's true- who wants to pay his full contract at

this point, and lose somebody else off their 40 man to boot, to take him? Who else needs an upgrade at shortstop and would consider him such an appreciable upgrade that he’s worth around $13MM to them right now for 2009?

I actually think he would be likely to clear waivers at this point…

by still bills kingdom on Jan 19, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The recent article at THT found that early 2nd round picks have a surplus value of something like $1 million

so if you’re willing to pay $n to get Cabrera in the abstract, you ought to be willing to pay $n-1M to get him with the loss of a pick. Actually, probably a bit more than that because the A’s are supposedly “going for it” this season.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jan 18, 2009 2:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Or less than that if you have above average confidence in your early round drafting abilities.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Jan 18, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hubris usually isn't a good strategy, I've found

but I suppose asking GMs to put it aside is like asking men to stop daydreaming about Jessica Alba.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Jan 18, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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