Angels Trading for Dye?

by ChadGod on Jan 12, 2009 8:32 PM PST Comment 45 comments

EDIT: Rumor has been shot down, crap!

MLBtraderumors suggests that the angels are interested in trading for Jermaine Dye and that the White Sox would seek Figgins, possibly more in return...

I was wondering what AN would think about this move potentially...

From what I can gather, I think this would be a good thing for us. Dye and his whopping ~1.5 WAR would replace either Willits (~1.3 WAR) or Gary Mathews Jr. (~0 WAR), so it would be an upgrade there, but Figgins, despite his mediocrity projects to play average defense at the hot corner and is worth 2.1 WAR. They would conceivably replace Figgins with Brandon Wood at 3B who projects to be both a below average hitter and fielder. I'd be interested in a WAR projection for Wood if anyone had one?

Icing on the cake would be that Figgins perceived value is likely to be lower than Dye's so the Angels might have to part with a prospect as well.

Conclusions: Dye + Wood < Figgins + Willits
Although Dye + Wood might be better than Figgins + GMJ
Dye costs 6 million more than Figgins and the Angels would probably be done for the off-season.
They might also weaken the farm in the process.

This would be great for us when you compare Dunn as an alternative. The Angels could actually end up a worse team after a Dye trade, green lighting the A's to go for it.

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This seems like exactly what the Angels need:

A 35 year-old corner outfielder with extremely limited defensive abilities and an 8-figure contract.

by Nate on Jan 12, 2009 8:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

hopefully they would pick up his 2010 option also.

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by ChadGod on Jan 12, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

We can only hope...

That a 3 yr. extension would be in the works as well.

The Stockton Ports pitching staff is better than the Orioles.

by gdub171 on Jan 13, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Slightly Off Topic

they also just signed Scoscia for 10 years. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Scoscia is a decent manager (not that managers account for much in the way of wins), but at 10 years, that may come back to bite them a little. That is sure a long time to commit to any person in MLB. Of course, this isn’t an A-Rod contract or anything, but it is rare to have a manager stay that long in any given position. Good for him though.

"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby

by DyeLongJustice on Jan 12, 2009 8:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

he does a decent job and everything

but why are you locking up a manager for 10 years? i don’t think people are going to come and steal mike scoscia away because he’s such a valuable manager. i don’t get it either

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by travdog6 on Jan 12, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What's interesting is that there have actually only been

32 managers in major league baseball since 1976. Only two are ever out of work at any given time.

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by Nico on Jan 12, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ken Macha!

when did we stop using adverbs proper?

by alea iacta est on Jan 12, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

no way

maybe im misinterpretting your comment, but i don’t believe that. link?

by travdog6 on Jan 13, 2009 1:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

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by flipgatey3 on Jan 13, 2009 2:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What you're misinterpreting is that it is entirely a joke

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by Nico on Jan 13, 2009 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i see

id have to say tho it’s not up to your normal joke standards

by travdog6 on Jan 13, 2009 6:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Better comeback:

Yeah it was.

by Nate on Jan 13, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i may be misinformed about contracts with coaches, but cant they just fire them whenever the hell they want.

ya, im a raiders’ fan.

Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!!

by naq92 on Jan 13, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, but they have to pay the contract

so it would be a problem for the Angels if they decided in May, 2009 that they weren’t so enamored of Scioscia after all.

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by Nico on Jan 13, 2009 7:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I would actually not be adverse to acquiring Brandon Wood if we could

stick him at SS, throw Crosby away.

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by Zonis on Jan 12, 2009 8:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I have a feeling Wood isn't the real deal,

but obviously he does have potential.

As far as Dye goes, my knee-jerk reaction is to be worried that the Angels could get another “middle of the order” hitter, because it is what they are so severely lacking. But if it stops them from getting a younger and better one, e.g., Dunn, and forces them to part with a decent player and/or prospect, then I agree with ChadGod that it could be a good thing because the upgrade is actually pretty marginal overall.

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by Nico on Jan 12, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

White Sox Trade

The only way I would like this deal is if the A’s can turn around and trade the White Sox for Figgins to replace Crosby.

Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.

by Threepwood XX on Jan 12, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Figgins can't play SS though

He’d be a good backup for Chavez.

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by Nico on Jan 12, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Even with the park adjustment,

he had an MLE that was basically better than league average in AAA. As a 23-year-old shortstop with insane power potential.

I’d really rather the Angels found a way to get him out of town. He’s high-risk, I’ll grant you, but his upside is ridiculously high. Even a conservative prospecter like me gives that a lot of credence. If he was still eligible for prospect status, I’d certainly have him in my top 50.

With that said, it can’t be helped. The Angels have him and either they screw him up or they don’t, and they can always just choose to give him a starting job at any time. I can’t oppose a trade on the grounds that it might force them to pull their heads out of their rear ends. If this goes through, it’s basically a win for Oakland.

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by PaulThomas on Jan 12, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

post hype collapse hes got value.

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by designatedforassignment on Jan 12, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Precisely. I can definitely see Wood having a breakout year, and I hope they keep him buried.

by chri5 on Jan 12, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

B Wood

is still relatively young and only had 150 ABs last year. Of course, he was absolutely atrocious, but his AAA stats are pretty good. The problem is that I don’t think his defense is going to be very good at SS, and it’s likely that will hurt his value a lot further on down the road. But I really do think he still has a decent shot to do something good in the majors.

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by DyeLongJustice on Jan 12, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

His AAA stats

came in one of the better hitters’ leagues in the minors, and with his home games played in SLC, elevation: 4,226 ft.

by Nate on Jan 12, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

CHONE on Wood has him at -11 BRAA and +1 FRAA

So that’s -10 vs Average with +20 for Replacement, leading to a 1 WAR player. There’s no positional adjustment for 3B.

If Dye is 1.5 WAR as you say, then Dye + Wood = 2.5 WAR

CHONE has Figgins -4 BRAA and 0 FRAA, so that’s 1.6 WAR. I guess he didn’t get any special favors.

If Willits is 1.3 WAR as you say then that’s 2.9 WAR and a better alignment than the proposed one.

It’s pretty close though. It really depends on whether Wood is good or not.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Jan 12, 2009 9:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Well..., really it depends on how good all of them are...

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by brenarlo on Jan 12, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well yes, but Wood's the one with the crappy projections and ridiculous upside

The others are more known quantities.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Jan 13, 2009 12:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Knock on wood

Ugh, i’m going to Hell for that one.

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by grover on Jan 12, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

~~to Hell~~ blind

Corrected.

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by PaulThomas on Jan 12, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds like you've been doing... something... wrong

Just a bit of advice… getting a shiner isn’t the sort of afterglow you’re going for.

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by grover on Jan 12, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe he’s just unusually gifted.

Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough

by andeux on Jan 13, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

PT is my hero

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by Cheezombie on Jan 13, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, c'mon: "CHONE has Figgins ..."?

How in Ba’al’s name do you not type “CHONE has Chone …” there?

a man has to have something to help the petite vanilla bean scones go down @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jan 13, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm more impressed that he didn't project to hit .400/.700/1.400 or something.

The guy is mediocre in his own projections. That’s like Qaddafi being a colonel.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Jan 13, 2009 1:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

qotm

Thanks for tomorrow 'cause I've had enough

by andeux on Jan 13, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I second that QOTM

by thejd44 on Jan 13, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks Waddell

I was just linking from the AL team by team WAR spreadsheets on beyondtheboxscore. Id link to there now, but in a hurry.

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by ChadGod on Jan 13, 2009 12:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Wood = Piatt

I have been hearing for the last 3 years how great Wood is but as I see it he was never a good SS. Aybar a 280 hitter with no power is their SS. At third he is below average defensively. He can’t hit the breaking ball and is another Crosby in he gets lucky when guessing fast balls. If wood was any good as advertised he would be untradeable and their starting 3b with figgins in the outfield but he stinks.

by Arcman on Jan 13, 2009 7:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Wood was just 23 this year.

That’s a little early to give up on the guy. Piatt hadn’t even made the majors until his age 24 season.

by thejd44 on Jan 13, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Why would the angels try and get Dye when Manny is still in the market and they’ve got the money to spend?

by EL E Phant on Jan 13, 2009 10:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

They want both?????

by A'sfaninNC on Jan 13, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not so sure about that.

Last year’s Opening Day payroll for them was $119M. I dunno what the target is this year, but given the economy it seems likely it won’t be higher. Depending on what happens in their arb hearings, they’re going to be right around $100M with what they’ve got. If Manny’s looking for more than $20M/year, he may be wanting more money than they’re prepared to spend.

by Nate on Jan 13, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Apparently they don't want to be used by Team Manny to drive up the price for someone else,

although I’m not sure why they wouldn’t want that.

It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver

by WaddellCanseco on Jan 13, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

From an article a few weeks ago

it seemed like no one really wants to sign Manny.

The way teams view it; He will be too expensive. And in the unlikely event you sign him to a cheaper contract than he thinks he is worth, he will half-ass it, thus MAKING himself not worth the contract and being a disturbance on the team.

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by Zonis on Jan 13, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Dye would be replacing Anderson more than Willits/GMJ

either way it’s not a huge upgrade. The Angels giving up Chone in the process would be gravy. Part of his value is his ability to play six positions and leaving you with many roster options all season, and this isn’t calculated by WAR…

by scatterbrian on Jan 13, 2009 12:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs