Tejada as Plan C? (C as in anybody but Crosby)
by Nate on Jan 12, 2009 12:38 PM PST
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So amidst the Cabrera discussions (still: no) and the Michael Young discussions (hell no), Tejada's name kept popping up. My first thought was somewhere between Cabrera and Young, (i.e., between still no and hell no,) but looking more closely, I'm not so sure he's any worse of an option than Cabrera, maybe even a little better.
The first thing to look at is last year's stats. Those...aren't encouraging. It makes it clear his power isn't remotely what it used to be. .435 SLG at home despite Houston's short porch, and he's even worse on the road. Also, 24 walks all season suggests that Mr. F-ing Swing at Everything has let what plate discipline he had fall by the wayside. Then of course there's his contract, which has the benefit of having just one year left on it, but we'd still be on the hook for $13M. And his defense...
It was looking up his defense that made me start to wonder. UZR had him at 5.3 runs above average last year. Now, UZR's been up and down on him, but here's what it says about his defense since he left Oakland:
- 2004: 8.4
- 2005: -8.0
- 2006: -0.6
- 2007: -6.5
- 2008: 5.3
A bit of a mixed bag there, but that's not uncommon in looking at year-by-year fielding metrics. Overall, though, this suggests an average defensive shortstop, one who isn't necessarily experiencing a particularly sharp decline. It was while I was on fangraphs looking up his defense that I noticed his CHONE projection for 2009: .285/.337/.441. That's of course his projection as an Astro, but there's neutral park numbers as well: .281/.332/.426. You'd have to knock it down another notch for hitting in Oakland, but still, league average defense with a near-.750 OPS?
Could it be higher, even? I freely admit that it's at this part that my logic train leaps off the rails and I start thinking unconfirmable things like 'We know what an emotional player Miggy was' (and use of the nickname here means that my statistical analysis gene is no longer the dominant one), 'stick him on a contending team and I bet he'll hit better. And hey, isn't it his contract year, too?'
There is, of course, the fact that Tejada in no way helps our pitching. Also, while his value isn't what it once was, Houston isn't going to just give him away.
So, help me out here. In the event that Sheets is a no-go for whatever reason, this seems like a pretty good fallback option, but I can't be sure if I think that because it is or because I want to hear that old drumbeat again from left field.
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If he can play SS for at least this year...
then i say let’s do it.
If nothing else, he could move to 3B if/when Chavez gets hurt. If the Astros eat some of his salary I think he’d be good.
What do the stats tell us about his defense? How about his offense?
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by brenarlo on Jan 12, 2009 1:05 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Interesting
I am definitely for Tejada over any other realistic SS option. We could even net a pick potentially next year by offering him arbitration. I think we found out that he straddles the line between type A and type B?
Crosby + Whatever non-awesome prospect they like for Tejada?
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by ChadGod on Jan 12, 2009 1:26 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Erm, offering Tejada arbitration would be monumentally stupid.
He’d accept in the blink of an eye and then we’d be stuck paying him 10M next year.
by mikev on Jan 12, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
would he really make 10million?
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by ChadGod on Jan 12, 2009 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hed probably be worth about 8million in win shares wouldnt he?
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by ChadGod on Jan 12, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To answer my own question:
This spreadsheet places Tejada at 2.28 WAR next season, a market value of nearly $11 million. If he maintains this season, $10million in arbitration is not a bad option, especially given the likely alternatives.
Still think it would be “monumentally stupid”?
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by ChadGod on Jan 12, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Me personally? Yes, I think he's about to completely fall off a cliff offensively.
A guy who goes from Baltimore to Houston and drops 30 points of slugging doesn’t seem like somebody I want to acquire. Playing in Oakland next year, I think there is a realistic chance he OBPs below .300 and slugs around .375
by mikev on Jan 12, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just like Crosby!
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by lenscrafters on Jan 12, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention that we actually have to give up something to get that production
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Jan 12, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does giving up Crosby count as something?
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by ChadGod on Jan 12, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Take the Wayback Machine to 2001
I know Tejada’s been mentioned a number of times over the last few months, but adding him to Giambi and a potential minor league deal for Mulder is interesting – at least from a story writing perspective. He’d certainly be an improvement over Crosby and I think he’s comparable to Cabrera. Given a choice between the two (OC and Miggy), I’d rather have Miggy given his history with the team.
Acquiring him might be tougher, but if the A’s trade Crosby+middling prospect (as Chad suggests) then the Astros save $8 Million and get the…err…‘opportunity’ to watch Crosby up close with the idea of seeing if he could be their shortstop over the next few years. This essentially costs the A’s $8 million which looks to be what it would cost to sign Cabrera anyway. If the Astros want anything more than that however, I wouldn’t do the deal.
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by JLeverenz on Jan 12, 2009 1:52 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
You know what's the only story I want to read about the A's in '09?
The story about them winning ballgames.
a man has to have something to help the petite vanilla bean scones go down @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jan 12, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to read those stories too
I’m not suggesting it’s a practical consideration, just mentioning that the media loves a story that practically writes itself as that one would, at least in spring training.
There are no good shortstop options out there, not unless Hardy or one of the handful of prospects I’ve seen mentioned becomes available. As sad as it is, Tejada isn’t the worst option of the varying shades of ‘bad’ that make up the list of available and likely-available shortstops.
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by JLeverenz on Jan 12, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in the not-entirely-convinced-Tejada-would-be-all-that-much-better-than-Crosby camp
I’m of the opinion that an upgrade in the rotation is a little more pressing than one at SS — especially one that punts the long-term question.
a man has to have something to help the petite vanilla bean scones go down @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jan 12, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on the pitching
I agree that pitching is more necessary than a SS, but Nate’s premise was that Sheets wouldn’t be available (and I took that to mean ‘Sheets or any other quality pitcher’ wouldn’t be available) and thus a SS would be the next place to look. Given that condition, I think Tejada is an upgrade that basically only costs cash. But if the question is "Sheets or other quality pitcher’ versus ‘Tejada/Cabrera/other similar SS’ then I go with the pitcher.
Also, given the lack of long term SS options I don’t think punting on that question is such a terrible thing at the moment.
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by JLeverenz on Jan 12, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are there even that many quality pitchers out there?
Barring us going crazy and trying to land Peavy, I’m just not so sure. There’s Lowe, who’s probably going to want too big and too long a contract, and Sheets. Beyond that we’re talking mediocrities like Garland or Oliver Perez.
by Nate on Jan 12, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't mind Oliver Perez. He's probably an average starter...much better than Garland.
The problem is he’s likely to get something like Loaiza money.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 12, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pass
Perez is at most a 1-win improvement over our likely 5th starter.
by Nate on Jan 12, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
albeit with more upside
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Jan 12, 2009 7:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my priorities:
1) Sheets
2) Tejada
3) Mulder
4) Cabrera
Everyone else can piss off!
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by ChadGod on Jan 12, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd add Lowe to that list....also DeJesus or another young SS.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 12, 2009 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lowe's good,
but bidding against the Mets seems like an exercise in futility.
by Nate on Jan 12, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly the Braves are in front now.
He’d be expensive though — Furcal money for a guy in his Age 36-39 years.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 12, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Mets bid of 3/36
is well below what it’s going to take to get Lowe (which was what seemed to be the indication,) then it’s almost certainly too much.
by Nate on Jan 12, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing something like 4/$46 gets it done, like Furcal
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 12, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
12/year is too low,
so he’ll take 11.5/year? I dunno about that.
by Nate on Jan 12, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya doesn't make sense. 3/$40 I guess.
I can’t see anyone going to 4/$52.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 12, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How about 4/60
Too much?
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by CarGon's Jock on Jan 14, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That all seems pretty high given Lowe's age
He’s good, but there’s risk involved.
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by Nico on Jan 12, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, I'd pass.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 12, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Im assuming Lowe is out of our price range
Which he is.
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by ChadGod on Jan 12, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I'd probably rip his face off.
Which would be bad for the team. :-(
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by Kyli on Jan 12, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's okay
It shouldn’t hurt his FIP (Face Independent Pitching).
by AsFanInLA on Jan 13, 2009 12:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lowe signed today
an Mulder at #3? Really? Do you actually think he’s going to have any semblance of good left in him? Especially over Cabrera? I’d have to say that for myself, I’d list the FA’s/Tradees like this:
1. Sheets
2. Tejada/Cabrera
3. Some fringy/forgotten prospect and/or Mark Mulder
That’s about it. One thing I just noticed though, is Devern Hansack (Red Sox) the next possible Jack Cust, but as an SP? He has produced at ever level he’s been at, even the SSS in the majors. I wouldn’t mind trying to get him on the cheap if we could.
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by DyeLongJustice on Jan 13, 2009 5:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He may be a 1 win improvement, but that's not "at most".
He was an above average starter each of the last two years. The K-rates are still pretty good. But if the Mets are giving him 3/$30M as reported, I’m not in favor of topping that.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 12, 2009 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
Sheets and Lowe were the only ones I could think of off the top of my head, but neither is likely to land in Oakland. When it comes to trading players, there is always that theoretical price for any player even if he’s Albert Pujols, but realistically no team will ever meet it. With the remainder free agent pitchers it’s the opposite situation – there’s a theoretical cost at which it would make sense to sign a guy like Garland or Perez, but realistically their price isn’t going to drop that far.
Maybe there’s a trade to be pursued, but I have no idea what players or what teams would be involved.
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by JLeverenz on Jan 12, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mulder and Freddy Garcia have some intrigue
as guys who might sign for little money but who could potentially be more than #4-#5 starters.
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by Nico on Jan 12, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Garcia is intriguing
Smoltz and Penny got (roughly) $5 million guaranteed, plus big bonus packages. Garcia might not cost so much guaranteed and if he maxed out his bonus options we’d all be happy.
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by grover on Jan 12, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what's really crazy about J.J. Hardy?
The Brewers are only paying him 4.65 million for this year and that’s with the two parties"avoiding arbitration". ie. he’s making less than Bobby Crosby this year for those great#s he is putting up in Milwaukee.
Totally fucking depressing……
by mrod on Jan 13, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is it depressing?
That rule (the partial reserve clause) is the sole reason why the Oakland A’s, and many baseball teams in fact, are competitively viable.
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by PaulThomas on Jan 14, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean it's depressing because the A's are stuck with Crosby, his poor performance,
and his salary while the Brewers are only paying the amount for Hardy’s salary. great #s/performance. I was just comparing the two respective shortstops and all. good for the Brewers and sucks for the A’s.
by mrod on Jan 14, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be so cool to reunite Miggy, Chavvy, Giambi, and Mulder
But I’ve got such a bias for Miggy that I won’t try an argument. He has been one of my favorite A’s of all time. Getting him back and contending would be too much for me. But hey, it would improve the team. That’s all I’ll say.
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by vignette17 on Jan 12, 2009 1:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
A few Astros fans weigh in.
I thought I’d make a post over at The Crawfish Boxes and see what those folks had to say. I was a little afraid I would get any responses, as my fanpost was the first one in 4 days, but we’ve had a few. One person thinks the fact there’d be a problem because Crosby is only signed for another year. It’s always strange when an outside perspective just totally fails to jibe with your own. One guy had some interesting thoughts:
I think it would be a good move, (b)ut I think we’d probably look more towards pitching prospects than we would to a replacement.
We have two near ready prospects in Maysonet and Manzella (bat-less, but good enough glove in Manzella’s case), plus Sutton wouldn’t be the worst I SS I’d imagine and he looks ready for some MLB action.
However, I’m not Ed Wade and I can almost guarantee that we won’t be trading Tejada, which is somewhat unfortunate. The fans like him, the club house likes him, and our front office believes, and my own research into finds in support, that Tejada will be more effective with his bat if he’s given more off-days. Plus, Drayton isn’t the kinda guy to eat contract to get better prospects, which would be the only benefit of trading Tejada if we did it. Otherwise, we can just wait to collect our Type A compensation pick and scrape buy in our current franchise model of just being good enough to fill the seats without ever contemplating rebuilding.
by Nate on Jan 12, 2009 4:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Gah
Each of those last two paragraphs was supposed to be part of the quote. Why don’t we have a freaking edit post function?
by Nate on Jan 12, 2009 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
McLane thinks the Astros owe it to their fans to contend every year.
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by grover on Jan 12, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yet he also allows Wandy Rodriguez to pitch for them
Strange.
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by Nico on Jan 12, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even more strange is that Wandy is one of their better pitchers
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 12, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wandy's got some good stuff
He’s one of those guys who seems to be either on or off.
by Lovejoy on Jan 12, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wandy inexplicably started becoming good in 2007
He had a tRA of 3.98 last year— the guy was actually a solid #2 starter.
Now, if you want me to explain why Brandon Backe still has a job there, I can’t help you with that one.
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by PaulThomas on Jan 12, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
becasue he didn't try to choke any staffers?
Space.
It's a problem we face.
So we never go anywhere.
We just stay in one place.
by hazel on Jan 13, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tejada? Off days?
Does not compute.
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by Kyli on Jan 12, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It probably should.
The streak’s over, and at his age, he can’t play 162.
by Nate on Jan 12, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"and at his age, he can’t play 162."
are you referring to games played or his true age?
;l
by mrod on Jan 13, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine Tejada's potential legal problems
have something to do with the A’s statement the other day that they had no interest in Tejada. Otherwise, even in his Miggy-lite state he would be an improvement over Crosby and a short-term commitment, as well as a fan favorite and clubhouse favorite.
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by Nico on Jan 12, 2009 4:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yep
If Beane wanted him, he’d probably already have him. Tejada’s value has never been lower. I would be ecstatic for the A’s to get the band back together, but I don’t think it’s in the cards.
by AgitationStation on Jan 12, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beane was the one who
let Miggy walk thinking a Chavez/Crosby combo would be better. Admitting he was wrong by bringing Tejada back to replace the guy who replaced him would only highlight that fact.
Billy’s not the type of guy who highlights his mistakes.
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by oaklandfan40 on Jan 12, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well he did trade Kendall and Kotsay for pennies on the dollar. And he did cut Loaiza for nothing.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 12, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The difference is that we got
actual prospects for Kendall and Kotsay, Outman and Devine.
The sense I’m getting from the Crawfish posters is that Ed Wade isn’t the sort to eat salary in exchange for prospects, and that he’s not likely to accept the non-prospects that’d be all I’d want to give up if we’re taking on the full contract. Now, if Wade would agree to take on Crosby, that’d be like eating $5M of the contract right there, and that might be worth a mid-level prospect like a Simmons or Mazzaro.
by Nate on Jan 12, 2009 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean Blevins
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by Helloooo 1st on Jan 12, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I do mean Blevins.
Outman came over in the Blanton deal.
by Nate on Jan 12, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerry Blevins has never been mentioned in a single John Sickels post on minorleagueball.com
He was a nobody before the A’s acquired him. Ditto Andrew Brown (most recent grade at MiLB was a C). Devine was viewed as a complete washout in Atlanta.
Believe me, when Bradley, Kendall and Kotsay were acquired, the acquiring teams did not believe they were giving up anything of value. In Loaiza’s case, obviously, everyone knew the A’s weren’t getting anything of value.
Beane “admits” mistakes, in the form of that sort of trade, all the time.
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by PaulThomas on Jan 12, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'd give devine a bit more credit than that, from Atlanta's perspective
maybe he was more like a “change of scenery” type guy. Plus, I’d say Kotsay was worth a bit more at the time, seeing that people knew he could hit, but questioned whether he’d ever stay healthy again. But I agree overall, that Beane ‘admits’ mistakes.
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by DyeLongJustice on Jan 12, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Devine was viewed as a complete washout in Atlanta
Based on what? The 19 2/3 IP he threw in the majors? And if that’s what the FO believed, that’s one thing, but Braves fans everywhere were screaming about that deal, including MiLB.
by Nate on Jan 12, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, took a look at the two posts
on minorleague ball, here and here. a. You’re full of crap, PT:
What a moronic move by Wren. You’re telling me Devine wasn’t worth $4M or whatever it would have taken to get Cameron?
They weren’t going to get any real use out of Kotsay post fire sale. For that, the price is two of the Braves top pitching prospects.
There’s also a reference to Sickels listing Devine as the 5th best prospect in the Braves’ system.
by Nate on Jan 12, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, Adam Jones wasn't viewed as a bust in Seattle because LL thought he was awesome?
The perceptions of the front office are what matters, not the perceptions of the fans.
Incidentally, also, both of those comments are pretty much self-refuting. Cameron signed for $7 million guaranteed, and anyone who listed Jamie Richmond as “one of the Braves’ top pitching prospects” has basically zero credibility on the issue.
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by PaulThomas on Jan 12, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where are you getting that Atlanta's front office
decided Devine was a washout? Is there any evidence for this other than that they traded him away for Mark Kotsay? As for who listed Jamie Richmond as one of the Braves’ top pitching prospects, that’d be Sickels.
by Nate on Jan 12, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's an open secret that Bobby Cox disliked Devine and thought he didn't have what it took
He has a lot of voice in their player personnel decisions, and particularly acquired a ton of influence when Schuerholz stepped down and he became the senior man in Braves management.
Calling a C+ prospect, ranked #13 and the seventh-best pitcher in a system, “one of the Braves’ top pitching prospects” is twisting the truth to the point of unrecognizability.
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by PaulThomas on Jan 13, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BA talked about Blevins quite a bit
Calling him a nobody is overkill.
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by grover on Jan 12, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OK but he wasn't a top prospect. The point is that the acquisition cost of Kendall,
Kotsay and Loaiza was hugely more than their salvage value. Bradley’s different in that he wasn’t actually a bad player for the A’s.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 12, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry if this is too intangible, but in
Kendall’s first season with the A’s his work with the young pitchers, including Haren and Blanton, combined with his decent BA/OBP, made 2005 a pretty good year for Kendall.
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by Nico on Jan 12, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't apologize for intangibles!
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 12, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kendall was average (oh shit, here we go again) his first year
good his 2nd year and completely crapped out the last year. Not sure what the point is other than to give the full time line.
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by grover on Jan 12, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So by "average" you mean the mean calculated to 42 decimal places?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 12, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rounding to the nearest hundreth
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by grover on Jan 12, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can mean the mean,
but you can’t median the median. Even if you mean to have the median a la mode.
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by Nico on Jan 12, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can drive on the shoulder but not the median
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 12, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's mean
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by Nico on Jan 12, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why? I'm not driving on your shoulder.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jan 12, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The median is never mean
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by grover on Jan 12, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You've obviously
never been mode down on the median.
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by Nico on Jan 12, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mulched, actually
Re-introducing nutrients into the soil is big these days
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by grover on Jan 12, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GHOSTS AREN'T REAL!
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by DyeLongJustice on Jan 13, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I missing something here?
I thought the point was Blevins wasn’t a nobody, he’d been on BA’s radar for a while. I didn’t realize we were aiming for a larger point.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Jan 12, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was initially thought to be a nobody,
but it turned out he was just standing sideways.
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by Nico on Jan 12, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, I'm only here to correct PT
I don’t get to go home tonight and I left my sense of humor in my other pants. At least I hope I left my other pants at home.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Jan 12, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Andrew Brown
Baseballamerica had Brown as the #10 prospect for Cleveland back in 2005. He was listed in BA’s top thirty a few times with LA.
by dougald1 on Jan 13, 2009 7:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was also out of options and not on a major league roster.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 13, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Good evening Turlock!"
“We’re The Nobodys and we’d like to thank all 3 of you for showing up tonight!”
by mrod on Jan 13, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, regarding the fanpost's title,
going strictly by the alphabet I would say:
Plan A is “Anybody but Crosby”
Plan B is “Bench Crosby”
Plan C is “Crosby”
And hey, I like that order better anyway!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jan 12, 2009 5:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why stop at C?
Ditch Crosby
Emasculate Crosby
F Crosby
The list just goes on and on!
au contra ire
by JediLeroy on Jan 12, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Get rid of crosby
hell anyone but crosby
id rather have oprah out there than crosby
just stop swinging at those sliders crosby
the possibilities really are endless
"My group runs some frogloks down the hall to finish them off and POP! RASTER! If there was a way to scream louder than caps in EQ I was doing it. Man I am straight panicking because I know I have NO CHANCE soloing and the party has run off. I'm in my hotel room; it's like 5am, and I am straight hollering, in EQ and in real life. Bottom line is the group comes back, heals me, and kills Raster! WOOT!" -Curt Schilling on his favorite memories in the video game "EverQuest"
by travdog6 on Jan 12, 2009 7:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, at this rate I think there are only 16 more possibilities
Maybe a few more if you move into other alphabets. Russian anyone?
"That's not a Sherman tank, it's Frank Thomas!" - Monkeyball
by JLeverenz on Jan 12, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
id welcome other languages or even numbers if possible. or we could start over. or just stop because the point remains, crosby sucks.
"My group runs some frogloks down the hall to finish them off and POP! RASTER! If there was a way to scream louder than caps in EQ I was doing it. Man I am straight panicking because I know I have NO CHANCE soloing and the party has run off. I'm in my hotel room; it's like 5am, and I am straight hollering, in EQ and in real life. Bottom line is the group comes back, heals me, and kills Raster! WOOT!" -Curt Schilling on his favorite memories in the video game "EverQuest"
by travdog6 on Jan 12, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
1 more year of Crosby, pleaze.
2 prospects in return for Crosby…in my dreams
3 billion people strong against crosby
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Jan 12, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gang rape Crosby
Hang Crosby
Injure Crosby
You’re right!
Bob Geren and Ken Macha both enjoy jai lai.
by CarGon's Jock on Jan 14, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that was graphic
good work
"My group runs some frogloks down the hall to finish them off and POP! RASTER! If there was a way to scream louder than caps in EQ I was doing it. Man I am straight panicking because I know I have NO CHANCE soloing and the party has run off. I'm in my hotel room; it's like 5am, and I am straight hollering, in EQ and in real life. Bottom line is the group comes back, heals me, and kills Raster! WOOT!" -Curt Schilling on his favorite memories in the video game "EverQuest"
by travdog6 on Jan 14, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I'd go so far as to praise
any comment that advocates for gang rape, but that’s just me.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jan 14, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Beane calls Tejada:
“We’re getting the band back together…”
"...in baseball you wear a cap." -- george carlin
by Hot Cup Joe on Jan 12, 2009 6:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
"Ok. Can be the donkey again?"
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
by Helloooo 1st on Jan 12, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Beane calls Ben Grieve...
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on Jan 12, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about one of the Cubs' infielders?
They had Theriot, Fontenont and Cedeño and they signed Aaron Miles…4 players for 3 spots…
I won’t mind get Ronny Cedeño, he’s still young (25) and his best year are in front of him, I think this will be he’s breakout year
by Olijerez77 on Jan 12, 2009 6:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pass
Theriot and Fontenot would be nice (though I don’t know if Fontenot has the arm for short,) but they aren’t available. Theriot is going to be the SS, and Fontenot and Miles are going to platoon at 2B, with Fontenot the more important (and better) part of that platoon.
Cedeño would be available, and the reason he’ll be available is because he can’t hit. At all. I think Crosby might be a better hitter.
by Nate on Jan 12, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Theriot doesn't have the arm for short either
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jan 12, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and I don't know how to pronounce his name, anyway.
"I'm on hold for now"- Bobby Crosby
by DyeLongJustice on Jan 12, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
his nickname is the riot
how clever
"My group runs some frogloks down the hall to finish them off and POP! RASTER! If there was a way to scream louder than caps in EQ I was doing it. Man I am straight panicking because I know I have NO CHANCE soloing and the party has run off. I'm in my hotel room; it's like 5am, and I am straight hollering, in EQ and in real life. Bottom line is the group comes back, heals me, and kills Raster! WOOT!" -Curt Schilling on his favorite memories in the video game "EverQuest"
by travdog6 on Jan 12, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You know, reading this comment in retrospect, it sounds Freudian.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jan 12, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Miggy all the way
If we can get him back for cheap, then why not. Yes he is older, but he still banged out 38 doubles and hit .283. The guy can still play + he is part of the “band” – We hopefully all remember that 3 run homer he hit for the 20th win-in-a-row….remember like it was yesterday, now his post season stats – I wish I could forget, but this guy is a leader and it would be an upgrade to have him back. He owes us, I think we feed him and his family since he was like 12 (or atleast he said he was 12!)
by ryanmoser on Jan 12, 2009 7:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The 3-run HR was for the 18th win a row
(Hatty’s pinch-hit HR was for #20), but yes, that was an electric moment (and legendary call by Ken Korach).
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jan 12, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Korach is now the most valuable A. Like Vin Scully or Jack Buck or those guys.
Players, owners, managers, coaches come and go….but Korach soldiers on.
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 12, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His park-adjusted stats are only fair, though
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jan 12, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I'm liking this idea more and more...
…and I’m thinking that it’s less and less about numbers. Still, potential lineup:
1. Buck
2. Cust
3. Holliday
4. Giambi
5. Chavez
6. Tejada
7. Ellis
8. Suzuki
9. Sweeney
Or something along these lines. Probably drop Chavez down to 7th against lefties.
by Nate on Jan 12, 2009 8:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It does look a lot better for some reason.....I can't quite put my finger on it.....
Aha!
It's not the results, it's how you look going about those results -- Tim McCarver
by WaddellCanseco on Jan 12, 2009 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you a hint:
It starts with a “B”…and it ends with a strike out.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jan 12, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love me some Miggy...
Bring him home.
by IM4Oakgal on Jan 12, 2009 11:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
of the options out there...
I like Crosby first… but, Beane is gonna get rid of him take hell or high water.
So, Miggy would be my second choice. If ya’ll think we’re gonna suck next year because of our SS, we might as well be entertained by it, I suppose.
Clowns to the left of me... Jokers to the right...
by FoolshGame22 on Jan 13, 2009 1:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Crosby and a pitching prospect for Tejada
Trade Sweeney or Buck for a high A or AA SS prospect.
Ellis r 2B
Cust l RF
Holliday r LF
Giambi l DH also backs up 1B
Tejada r SS
Chavez l 3B
Buck/Sweeney l CF
Suzuki r C
Barton l 1B (also #3 catcher)
on the bench:
OF: Denorfia r Davis r (also can cover 2b)
Hannahan l 3B/1B
Petit r or Pennington s 2b/SS
Bowen s C
that leaves 11 spots for pitchers, OR go with four outfielders and have 12 pitchers
They're called RUNS for a reason.
by connie mack on Jan 13, 2009 11:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Holy hell!
Does the “C” stand for crap? His defensive numbers have too much fluctuation to call him anything other than average or slightly above. Offensively, however….you mentioned his numbers took a hit last year, and that was after switching to the easier league and going to a hitter’s park. Bring him back to the AL and into the Coliseum and what do expect? Offensive revival because his uniform colors are familiar? Miguel Tejada was a great, energetic, exciting player when he was with the A’s. But he is no longer that player. He’s worse than that player, and will continue to get worse while remaining expensive. And the potential upgrade over Bobby Crosby is just not worth the money/players it would take to acquire Tejada. It doesn’t matter how much I like Tejada or hate Crosby; a bad investment is a bad investment.
What is with these nostalgia requests? Tejada? Mulder?? The rotation could use some help, maybe we can swap a bullpen arm for the Gambler? or at least dig up Gil Heredia, right? Hatt’s available, and I’m sure he could still fake it behind the plate and be a third-string catcher. Olmedo could back up at 3B, he’s only 37 and should be fresh after a year off. And he’s right-handed!
by scatterbrian on Jan 13, 2009 12:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
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