Can we make the Coliseum Baseball friendly?
I just read an article in the TRIB. It seems like the economy, being so bad right now, is keeping the SF Whiners from building that stadium in Santa Clara. Apparently, they are now "open" to the idea of sharing a new stadium with the Raaaaaideeers!
If that came to be - could we tear down Mt. Davis and make a baseball stadium on Hegenberger and 66th? Or even better, tear the whole thing down and build on that land?
There are many possibilities and I think we could have something "doable" if the whiners and raiders, work together!
Here's the story link:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/oaklandtribune/ci_11423631
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I think the A's would much rather go down to Fremont/San Jose.
Thats where the people are, thats where the money is.
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by Zonis on
Jan 10, 2009 8:54 PM PST
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Fremont
I’d love for the A’s to get a new park in Fremont.
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by Rated-R Superstar on
Jan 10, 2009 8:59 PM PST
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Go San Jose!
That’s where me and my money are!
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by oaklandSMASH on
Jan 11, 2009 1:02 AM PST
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A new ballpark on the Coliseum site is just not happening
And I really don’t think the Coliseum is going to return to the way it was.
Sorry.
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by Flashfire on
Jan 10, 2009 8:56 PM PST
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I'd probably pee myself with happiness if the new park was where the old park is.
That said, I’ll probably have to stick to peeing myself from drinking excessively.
by mikev on
Jan 10, 2009 8:57 PM PST
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Or maybe you'll get to
pee on the spot in the vacant lot where Mt. Davis once stood when there are no sports teams left playing at the Coliseum.
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by Jackson23 on
Jan 12, 2009 2:33 AM PST
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demolishing and rebuilding at the Coli site...
would require public money, I’d think. If the economy is making the Whiners amenable to a joint stadium deal, it is certainly also a factor in tax dollars being available from either Oakland or Alameda County. Which is to say, it isn’t going to happen. Because Oakland will probably be the second city to file for bankruptcy in California. It’s that poorly run.
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by FoolshGame22 on
Jan 10, 2009 9:03 PM PST
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It's just a dream
but I do wish that the A’s were staying in Oakland. Fremont is going to be a headache for me.
by IM4Oakgal on
Jan 10, 2009 9:07 PM PST
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Traveling from SF,
and without owning a car, the convenience of BART is hard to beat. Fremont is a much less alluring destination to travel to. I’d definitely still go, and frequently, but more of headache pretty much sums it up. While the coliseum is tired and outdated, I like it because it’s affordable and accessible. The new stadium will be neither, which in itself has its pros and cons.
by Svidrigailov on
Jan 10, 2009 10:45 PM PST
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Watching A's baseball
in a modern facility designed specifically for baseball. The opportunity to create a baseball neighborhood around the new park. The All-Star game. It’s a vessel to Increase revenue and payroll.
by Svidrigailov on
Jan 11, 2009 2:51 PM PST
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I think it would make a lot of sense for the Raiders and Niners to share a stadium
With the limited number of Football games played anyways, combining the schedules would fill up many more dates for the venue.
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by Zonis on
Jan 10, 2009 9:29 PM PST
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I totally agree
but it’s probably way too logical to actually happen.
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by batgirl on
Jan 11, 2009 7:11 AM PST
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you'd think also
it’d make sense for them to combine more than that – between them, they might have one decent team, no
when did we stop using adverbs proper?
by alea iacta est on
Jan 12, 2009 8:30 AM PST
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Move the A's to PacBell...
I’d be happier if the A’s shared Pac Bell with Giants than if they moved to F-mont. My first choice is for them to be in Oakland (downtown preferably, riots be damned), of course. But, taking BART to SF and walking along the Embarcadero to PacBell or taking a ferry there, is more fun than BART+(something from BART to F-park) or driving down the hell known as 880.
How hard would it really be to build up improved ferry infrastructure?
The Jets & Giants share a stadium, the Yankees played at Shea for 2 yrs in the 70’s when they were renovating Yankee stadium..
I don’t see how Lew Wolf’s dream of building a stadium combined with other real estate development can happen in the next 5 yrs or so.
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by danh on
Jan 10, 2009 10:50 PM PST
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Well... no
First, the most likely site for the Raiders and A’s to make a bombad football stadium is the coliseum.
Second, the A’s move South is due to demographic changes… the bay area is no longer an east and west place. It is more north and south. The economic engines are san francisco and santa clara counties.
It makes sense for the baseball teams to be targeted to the north and south power centers due to the higher frequency of games. Football, with the 16 home games a year makes sense for a mroe central location, like Oakland.
by jeffro on
Jan 11, 2009 12:21 AM PST
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raiders in santa clara stadium
The idea of having the Raiders and the Niners share the santa clara stadium is nice,they can gtfo of the A’s coliseum and the A’s could have the coliseum to themselves while they build the new stadium, in San Jose. After all, thats where the money is.
by markusalkemus777 on
Jan 11, 2009 2:03 AM PST
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funny
Lew Wolffe hands out the Fremont ‘kool-aid’ and AN’ers ask for seconds!
The economy ain’t gettin’ no better, anytime soon.
Yes, there is money in San Jose, but they also are facing massive layoffs in Silicon Valley, and Fremont will have just as hard a time providing incetives, as Oakland would.
Oakland is a ‘Major League’ city. I was just in Fremont before Xmas. I don’t see any growth and the people i was hangin’ with said they were looking to move up to Hayward!
I guess we can agree to disagree … Fremont was a nice idea, when the property bubble was still in e-f-f-e-c-t. Now, that time has past.
Get used to it:
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by GrewUpAtTheColiseum on
Jan 11, 2009 8:07 AM PST
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Not just athletes -- Athletices!
I would rather our heroes leased space at the Big Phoney for the next five years than continue to play at the Collie. I just don’t think the Giaunts would entertain it, with a Microsoftie/architect-of-their-exclusionary-marketing-practices at the helm.
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by The Dogfather on
Jan 11, 2009 8:55 AM PST
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we've had this argument before
I still think that such a setup would be so wildly in the Giants favor that the A’s would be the ones to reject it.
Now, if Crywolffisher (or some significant real-estate-boondogglin’ portion thereof) were to divest themselves in favor of a new/reduced ownership group with more modest Schottmanic franchise-appreciatin’ goals …
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by monkeyball on
Jan 11, 2009 12:50 PM PST
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Gee, I'm sorry, but --

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by The Dogfather on
Jan 12, 2009 1:01 PM PST
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Fremont all the way
The stadium won’t be huge but big enough to draw revenue to compete with the angels every year.
Time to compete now !
by UniqueDefiance on
Jan 11, 2009 10:38 AM PST
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I still say a 5,000-seat stadium in Hillsborough is the way to go
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by monkeyball on
Jan 11, 2009 12:50 PM PST
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Then you tarp off the third deck
and give the team the name The Brentwood Athletic’s.
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by Nico on
Jan 11, 2009 9:48 PM PST
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It's not bad
Yes the coliseum is outdated, but it honestly isn’t that bad if fans would go out to watch them. If the park was full, its fun and we forget about the outdateness. For example, the playoffs a couple years ago. Seeing the Coliseum jam packed totally made it seem like the Coliseum was a great ballpark. I love the Coliseum!
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by ballin on
Jan 11, 2009 11:25 AM PST
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+1
it doesn’t seem like it would be that way, but I always thought it was a good ballpark. it’s never really bothered me much. The only day it really bothered me was when it was a REALLY bad weather day, and there weren’t many people and it just felt so weird walking down to get a hot dog and not being crowded by people.
Hopefully more fans next year??!?!?!
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by #14fan on
Jan 11, 2009 1:03 PM PST
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yep yep and yep
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by Buck Turgidson on
Jan 11, 2009 1:27 PM PST
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Bogus
I sat right behind the Twins dugout for game 3 of the divisional series. I felt like I was sitting in Alameda. The COliseum is inferior compared to almost every other major league stadium these days.
I will always love the place for being what it is and was. But it is NOT a good baseball stadium.
by jeffro on
Jan 11, 2009 10:20 PM PST
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This is the best possible scenario
It would be a judicious use of resources. And honestly I have nothing against people or money but San Jose is only slightly less vapid than Fremont.
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by Buck Turgidson on
Jan 11, 2009 1:26 PM PST
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Yeesh
Could we not have the ad hominem indictments of various cities? Is it not possible to elevate the discourse above that? As if the “vapidity” of a city has anything to do with this.
by vertig0 on
Jan 11, 2009 4:28 PM PST
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The vapidness of the South Bay has plenty to do with it
Nothing ad hominem about it. In contrast to San Jose, Milpitas, Fremont, Newark, Santana Row, etc. Oakland is a big league City, with a port, culture and a rich past. Not just orchards buried in concrete and dressed in strip malls. So that adds value to the fact that there is already a big league stadium adjacent to real public transportation in Oakland. And yes there are plenty of people with money who love baseball in Oakland.
With each passing day some facts will become more obvious to more folks. Building an elaborate baseball complex in an area that already has adequate facilities is a colossal waste of resources. Doing it where no real public transportation exists is even more wasteful.
I am not going to check but I assume you have been just as high minded with the trolls and others on this site who bad mouth the coliseum and the City of Oakland for sport?
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by Buck Turgidson on
Jan 11, 2009 4:44 PM PST
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Sorry
But the Coliseum is now a second-class facility at best. It’s still not a bad place to see a game but it’s a multi-purpose monstrosity in an era of baseball-only use. Part of the point of today’s ballparks is to make them places where people want to go not just to see a game, but to see the uniqueness of the place itself.
The Coliseum IS unique, just not in a positive way.
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by Flashfire on
Jan 11, 2009 4:56 PM PST
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I don't disagree with you
However, renovating the coliseum may be the most efficient way to address the issues.
I mean, nobody is claiming that the coliseum is unsafe. Therefore it seems overly indulgent in these times to spend a monstrous sum of money on something we really don’t need. Which is what I have been saying since Wolff et al proposed this silly move. Well now it is even sillier.
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by Buck Turgidson on
Jan 11, 2009 6:18 PM PST
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I don't really know what kinds of renovations can realistically be done
There’s really too much foul territory and they don’t have the ability to reduce that without lowering the playing field and repositioning the dugouts. The sightlines are bad in the bleachers, but presumably if the Raiders left and it became more of a baseball facility again a renovation would hopefully include getting rid of Mt. Davis.
It’s just too big overall, I’d say.
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by Flashfire on
Jan 11, 2009 6:58 PM PST
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Actually yes
I have to delete numerous trolling attempts on the ballpark blog who spew anti-Oakland, anti-Fremont, and anti-San Jose invective. It comes with the territory.
Here’s the problem with your argument: If you have to argue on behalf of Oakland being a big league city, you’ve already lost. Being a big league city should be self-evident. That’s why there’s one true big league city in the Bay Area, and everyone else is climbing the ladder.
What you consider vapid many others consider, safe, clean, good for raising families, and even in some cases, vibrant. Their opinions aren’t more valuable than yours, and vice-versa. As a result the argument is moot. Frankly, this elitism or reverse-elitism stinks to high heaven. In the end, it really doesn’t matter much.
I also find it ironic that you quote the great Bill King, who for decades lived in Marin County, a place many have derided as – what’s the word you use? Oh right, vapid.
by vertig0 on
Jan 11, 2009 5:30 PM PST
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Well vapid pretty well describes most of this country in my opinion
Alas, one’s residence or origin are not a significant factor when judging character. But if you are asking me do I want to go somewhere for work or play I have an opinion. Yep vapid. Boring. I don’t want to go to San Jose for a ballgame for that reason. There are other reasons I may even have to go there. I don’t want to add another.
Elitist? What is this, Fox News? Really?
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by Buck Turgidson on
Jan 11, 2009 6:11 PM PST
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It's all about you isn't it?
If you’re looking down upon any community, whether it’s Oakland, San Jose, or Detroit, it smacks of elitism. You can interpret that however you like. What does it really matter if it’s not productive? If it isn’t translating into action, then it’s nothing more than snark.
by vertig0 on
Jan 11, 2009 7:00 PM PST
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I'm not looking down on any community
I live in Oakland. This is an Oakland A’s blog. I don’t think my team should move. I’ve given my honest reasons for that. You don’t like what I say and you say it’s not productive. I disagree.
The truth is an offense but not a sin my friend.
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by Buck Turgidson on
Jan 11, 2009 7:22 PM PST
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You don't even see
It’s your truth, not a universal one. Pardon me for pointing that out.
by vertig0 on
Jan 11, 2009 7:31 PM PST
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perhaps you would enlighten me on the one universal truth
I mean, I’m not the one calling myself “vertigo”
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by Buck Turgidson on
Jan 11, 2009 7:33 PM PST
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Afraid I can't do that
vertig0 is only a reference to the Hitchcock film. Nothing more.
by vertig0 on
Jan 11, 2009 7:37 PM PST
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Ah, common ground
well, I love Alfred Hitchcock and I have a hard time believing that I wouldn’t have an enjoyable discussion with a fellow fan.
My moniker and sig line should be some indication of my sense of humor as well.
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by Buck Turgidson on
Jan 11, 2009 7:40 PM PST
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Hitch loved the Bay Area
From the big cities to the small towns, he was truly enamored with it. One more reason why I love his work.
by vertig0 on
Jan 11, 2009 7:53 PM PST
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Love "The Birds"
Truly amazing shots of the Bay Area
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by Buck Turgidson on
Jan 11, 2009 8:36 PM PST
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I don't think you could call the fans who go to Sharks games vapid...
…or whatever point it is you’re trying to prove in whatever a city has to do with the ballpark, arena or fans that attend the games, many of which don’t even LIVE in that city.
Sharks fans and the atmosphere in the Tank are among the best in the NHL.
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by Flashfire on
Jan 11, 2009 7:13 PM PST
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Well I guess there is the whole beauty and the eye of the beholder thing isn't there
There are about 15 cities I would rather attend a hockey game in. I can’t stand the Sharks and I don’t like the atmosphere.
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by Buck Turgidson on
Jan 11, 2009 7:19 PM PST
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Then I guess that's your problem
Players around the league have ranked it very high as being a tough place to play in partially because of the intensity the fans bring.
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by Flashfire on
Jan 11, 2009 7:39 PM PST
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I'm a Kings fan
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by Buck Turgidson on
Jan 11, 2009 8:36 PM PST
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I'm sorry
That explains it, though.
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by Flashfire on
Jan 11, 2009 8:45 PM PST
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Huh, at least the Kings have made the finals
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by Buck Turgidson on
Jan 11, 2009 9:51 PM PST
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In Sacramento?
The conference finals are now the benchmark for greatness on the court? Seriously dude, you seem like a smart guy. Why so diusllusined?
by jeffro on
Jan 11, 2009 10:25 PM PST
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We're talking about hockey now
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by Flashfire on
Jan 12, 2009 11:10 AM PST
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Oh, and they fill the place up every game.
I know, we’re not used to that with the A’s.
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by Flashfire on
Jan 11, 2009 7:41 PM PST
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So, you support the Fremont move I take it?
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by Buck Turgidson on
Jan 11, 2009 6:19 PM PST
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I do
Insofar as it’s entirely financed through private means, which it always has been. The minute it starts costing the public real dollars, I’m opposing it. That view would remain if it were being planned for Fremont, Oakland, San Jose, anywhere in the Bay Area.
That’s one reason I don’t support a revamped or rebuilt Coliseum. There’s little chance of that happening without public financing.
by vertig0 on
Jan 11, 2009 7:09 PM PST
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Who said anything about public money?
Are you responding to something I said earlier? Because I never advocated for that.
If Wolffy sees fit to leverage Oakland for public money that would be real piggy even for him.
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by Buck Turgidson on
Jan 11, 2009 7:26 PM PST
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You said earlier
However, renovating the coliseum may be the most efficient way to address the issues.
I’m saying it isn’t because it would require public money. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong in that regard, though I don’t see that happening.
Would you and your civic pride prefer a half-publicly financed stadium in Oakland over a completely privately financed stadium in Fremont or San Jose? That’s really what it might come down to.
by vertig0 on
Jan 11, 2009 7:43 PM PST
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shouldn't that be "ad urbem"?
a man has to have something to help the petite vanilla bean scones go down @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Jan 12, 2009 10:47 AM PST
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i'd only agree to the a's moving to santa clara
if it happens before i graduate. and that’s basically impossible so let’s keep them in oakland.
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Jan 12, 2009 1:33 AM PST
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