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A's Every Which Way They Lose - Drop to Tigers 14-8

One of the downsides of a rebuilding season is that occasionally a player will be put in the majors before they're ready, especially when you have a series of serious injuries.  Gio Gonzalez seems to be a victim of this.  He's still only 22 years old (he'll be 23 years old in 11 days).  I don't really think his stuff is bad, I think it's just a matter of him having a tough time hitting the zone and when he finally does, it's in predictable fastball counts where a hitter can tee off on his 91-92 MPH fastball.  He should probably get pulled from the rotation before he gets ruined mentally.  Course you have to expect a lineup like the Tigers to be itching to face someone like Gio.  He's a lefty, struggling to hit the zone and when he does, it tends to be centered.

Josh Outman followed and didn't fair much better.  He gave up three runs in less than three innings.  He does look like he has a pretty good fastball, but the Detroit announcers kept commenting on how straight it was.  Speaking of Detroit announcers, I love it when folks from larger markets continually rag on the A's.  I mean, Dude, all the Pizza, Pizza money in the world isn't going to get you into the playoffs this year.  Who cares if you have guys like Sheffield, Ordonez and Polanco in the lineup if you aren't going to come anywhere near the postseason?  I really wish Major League Baseball would get with the 21st Century and give us the option to watch the A's broadcasts.  After 143 games, I'm pretty tired of hearing all the chumps calling games for other teams.  The A's TV team isn't the best one in the majors, but they aren't revolting like so many others out there.

The A's actually outhit the Tigers 13-12 but A's pitching wound up giving up a lot of extra base hits as well as walking five batters and hitting three.  It's just one of those games where the A's offense actually showed up but the pitching wasn't in sync.  

It's weird because I can honestly say that outside of these last two years with the A's, I can't remember going through a whole lot of losing seasons with my favorite teams.  The New Jersey Devils have been very good for a long, long time.  The A's have been very, very good for a long time.  It really makes one appreciate those good times and long for them.  Remember the days of Giambi and Dye in the middle of the order and Hudson, Mulder and Zito going every three out of five days?  I'm going to appreciate this so much more when the team finally takes that jump forward again.  It's nights like this with Gio that make you realize that it might be longer away than I think.

By the way, check in with fellow A's fan saint over at Silver and Black Pride tonight.  The Raiders open up the season and with JaMarcus Russell and Darren McFadden, you never know if the Raiders could be bound for a good year this year.  I'm no Al Davis fan, but the silver and black are somewhat interesting in 2008 because of those two young talents.

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It's hard to lose with 8 runs...

But the A’s made it happen. I hope Gio doesn’t take this early career jitters any more than he needs to. Tonight’s game reminds me of the old story of when the Mets, in their early years, were in a serious offensive slump. In the midst of that slump, they were pummeled, 26-7, and the local broadcaster opened his sportscast, with “Good news, the Mets scored 7 tonight!”

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by louismg on Sep 8, 2008 8:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess it's comforting to remember:

Justin Duchscherer, 2000: 12.27 ERA (14.2 IP)
Dana Eveland, 2005, 2006, 2007: 5.97 ERA, 8.13 ERA, 14.40 ERA (total 64.1 IP)
Mark Mulder, 2000: 5.44 ERA with a 1.69 WHIP (154 IP)

And so on.

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by Nico on Sep 8, 2008 8:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

For the oldtimers...

Vida Blue was rather hideous in his first callup to Oakland in 1969, giving up 49 hits, including 13 home runs, in just 42 innings (18 BB, 24 K) with a 6.64 ERA.

Gonzalez has some talent and I hope to see him in Oakland in June or so next year. Dan Meyer…well, if I see him in Oakland next year, I hope he’s ringing up my purchase at Wal-Mart.

by Soaker on Sep 8, 2008 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Relax, he's going to be fine

He got pounded when he first went to AA and AAA too.

I do think they need to pull him for now, but long-term I’m not particularly worried.

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by PaulThomas on Sep 8, 2008 8:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree, but I will concede that

even with young pitchers there’s suck and there’s suck – and Gio’s stat line is pretty “big league sucktastic”!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 8, 2008 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I think he’ll be fine too. To me, the strikeouts say that he’s got good stuff, he just needs to learn more control and get ahead of hitters. He’s got good, not great, stuff so he can’t get away with the mistakes.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Sep 8, 2008 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair

It’s easier to get a strikeout per inning when you face nine batters every inning.

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by PaulThomas on Sep 8, 2008 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always got a lot of strikeouts, because it's easier

to get a strikeout when the hitters are laughing uncontrollably.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 8, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Humor...

I think it’s funny and perhaps a bit lame that so many people on here keep projecting all of these minor league players as legitimate major leaguers at some point. There comes a time when the fans must realize that the franchise is basically in a shambles, that is exactly where this franchise is right now. Project away with the young players, that means nothing at the major league level. There are huge holes to fill in the every day lineup with nobody to fill those holes. Pitching is a crap shoot, anyone remember VanPoppel, Dressendorfer, etc.? Time for a wake up call!

by Keystone State on Sep 9, 2008 5:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

You actually know more than every reputable talent evaluator in the biz.

We’re actually just making this s**t up. There is no way to know anything about prospects.

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by PaulThomas on Sep 9, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meanwhile, with Webb's recent struggles

and Lincecum humming along – leading the league in Ks, with only 3 losses all season (!), and posting a better ERA than Webb, I think he should be the front-runner for Cy Young. Lincecum and Cliff Lee: Who says you have to pitch for a winning team?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 8, 2008 9:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sabathia's in the running too.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Sep 8, 2008 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For which league?

"If I've got baggage, he's got a whole set of Louis Vuitton." ~ Milton Bradley on Barry Bonds

by UncleLeo on Sep 8, 2008 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not enough time.

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but I cannot recall a single instance where a player was traded roughly mid-season, then won a major award (i.e.: Cy Young, MVP, etc.) in either league.

The stats are split, and the stats are still separated into leagues. Being traded has the same effect of being unjured for half the season.

Not exactly the same, but IIRC, Mark McGwire lead MLB in HRs the year he was traded, yet didn’t lead either league and thus did not get the “HR title” for the same reason. He led MLB, but he did not lead either league.

"If I've got baggage, he's got a whole set of Louis Vuitton." ~ Milton Bradley on Barry Bonds

by UncleLeo on Sep 9, 2008 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sutcliffe

traded midseason and won Cy Young.

by jahs34 on Sep 9, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was traded June 13

Ok, that probably does qualify, but it’s pushing the “mid-season” envelope a bit.

"If I've got baggage, he's got a whole set of Louis Vuitton." ~ Milton Bradley on Barry Bonds

by UncleLeo on Sep 9, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Willie McGee

traded to Oakland in 1990 and won the NL batting title that year

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by ArakSOT on Sep 9, 2008 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

McGee...

…was traded August 29 and already had 542 PAs in the NL, more than enough to qualify. Not quite “mid-season”.

"If I've got baggage, he's got a whole set of Louis Vuitton." ~ Milton Bradley on Barry Bonds

by UncleLeo on Sep 9, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which doesn't really mean anything

Talking about the Cy Young award is talking about something that’s voted on. The batting title isn’t.

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by Flashfire on Sep 9, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It isn't? Dang, I wasted another vote. :-(

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 9, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Giants vs A's

  One thing stands out that the A’s are gicving their young players a chance to prove if they belong while the giants played tonight’s game with abunch of old vets. We did learn today that Pennington is not good enough to be a everyday SS. His arm is not able to make the plays out there. Gio has the pitches but not the mental game. He gets behind to much and tries to blow the ball past hitters. It doesn’t work in the majors.

by Arcman on Sep 8, 2008 9:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sweeney?

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Sep 8, 2008 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

I’m also glad to see that the A’s are giving the rookies and AAA-ers a chance. At least it’s a reason to watch the games. You can draw a sharp contrast between that and a lot of other losing teams… I’m thinking specifically about the way that the Mariners continue to run out Carlos Silva and Miguel Bautista on a regular basis, despite the fact that they’ve already provided ample evidence of their ability to suck.

A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular.

by IowaA'sFan on Sep 8, 2008 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cunningham's AB

in the 1st was a very good one. I’d have more to say but thankfully I wasn’t able to catch any more of the game after the 1st.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Sep 8, 2008 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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