RULE 5

by gorickeygo on Sep 30, 2008 10:47 AM PDT Comment 28 comments

So with all the additions to our farm system, I've been wondering who we need to protect this fall and next. I wish I could be more helpful here, but the rules are so confusing that I'd just mess it up. If anyone would be willing to post (here or in a seperate post) -- I'd love to know who's gonna be 'at risk' when the rule 5 draft comes around.

I think we can expect about 7 open slots this off-season on the 40 man roster, but I fear we have more top tier prospects than can fit on our 40 man.

coming off from this season:

Emil Brown, Mike Sweeney, Jack Hannahan, Donnie Murphy, Keith Foulke, Frank Thomas, Javier Herrera(probably) and probably a few pitchers (Meyer, Saarloos, Gray). Who knows about Ellis & Embree... we shall see)

Luckily -- Cardenas, Cahill & Anderson are young and won't be on the 40 man till after rule 5 at the earliest.

But where does that leave these guys (among others):

Hitters: Murton, Patterson, Petit, CarGon, DiNorfia, Baisley, Pennington, Powell, Cunningham, Robnett, Putnam, (this assumes an outfield combo of Buck, Sweeney, Davis & Cust -- though you can interchange others with any of them and have the same numbers problem)

Pitchers: Gio, Outman, Braden, Blevins, Brown, HRod, Meyer, Carignan, Gray, Saarloos, Knox, Marshall, Komine, Webb, Windsor

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eligible

players not on 40 man..
any college picks from 05 and earlier
HS picks from 04 or 05 HS picks that were 19 when drafted

ryan webb
justin sellers
tom everidge
recker
kilby
madsen
putnam
windsor

most of the guys that have been called up during the season, who were eligible are already on the 40 man

out of that above group i’d say recker/webb/kilby/sellers might have the best shots for a spot

players on 40 man who’s roster spot is shaky probably hannahan/gray/robnett/meyer/saarloos + of course the impending FA’s

mazzaro/lansford/italiano decisions come up after 09

by Asfan4ever723 on Sep 30, 2008 11:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Guzman has to be added if the A's want to keep him

I did a fanpost on this topic about a month ago; the OP might want to check it out.

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by PaulThomas on Sep 30, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mike Sweeney is a non-issue at this point

He’s not on any A’s roster.

by thejd44 on Sep 30, 2008 12:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Putnam MIGHT get back on the roster, but Robnett is not.

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by Zonis on Sep 30, 2008 12:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Robnett is already on the roster

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by PaulThomas on Sep 30, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I should have probably made myself clearer.

Robnett will not be on the 40 man roster come next season. He’ll be one of the first to be bumped. If a spot is needed after the FA’s have left, you can bet he is on the short list to be taken off in favor of protecting someone else from the Rule 5 Draft.

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by Zonis on Sep 30, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with you

Of course, I thought the same thing about Jeff Gray . . .

by BlameChannel53 on Oct 1, 2008 5:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i wonder what happens with everidge

local guy from sonoma st.
he does turn 26 so maybe a bit old to be considered a legit prospect
but A’s kept him in high A stockton for 2 season for whatever reason
one of the few righty power bats in the upper levels of the farm system
if barton continues to struggle, he might be the closest to ready option as a 1b/DH type, did play some 3b at times

by Asfan4ever723 on Sep 30, 2008 3:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Everidge

I’m rooting for him for the simple fact that I, too, am a Seawolf.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Sep 30, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Woo hoo go Seawolfs, i’m one too.

by justarebelheart on Sep 30, 2008 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

one of my best friends

played with everidge at sonoma, says he is a great guy. also a very good player.

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Sep 30, 2008 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is it Seawolfs or Seawolves?

I haven’t been able to come to a decision.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Oct 1, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

well i worked at the bookstore and everything there said seawolves but i don’t know

by justarebelheart on Oct 1, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

There are currently 44 players on the 40 man roster.
http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=oak

Of those, Thomas, Ellis, Chavez and Andrew Brown are all on the 60 day disabled list and will have to come off. So from that list we need to lose at least 4 and another 4 for players to be added.

Thomas, Meyer, Foulke, Emil Brown, Saarloos, Embree, Gray, Robnett, Herrera and either Murphy or Hannahan could come off. This would open up enough spots with a couple to spare in case we signed one or more free or secret agents.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Sep 30, 2008 5:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Also it looks like BB may sign Ellis so that is why I kept him on the list.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Sep 30, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm wondering whether they can sign him after the Rule 5 draft to give them more time

to protect someone. Not that it’s likely to make a big difference.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Sep 30, 2008 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't work that way

If you fill up your roster before the Rule 5 draft, then sign Ellis afterward, someone will have to be designated for assignment to create room for him. DFA is worse than Rule 5— a Rule 5 pick has to go on the claiming team’s 25-man roster, an outright waiver claim only has to go on their 40-man. You’re better off leaving Marginal Player X off the roster and hoping that he just doesn’t get picked up.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Sep 30, 2008 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

In the offseason, does a player immediately go on the 40 man when signed?

Or do teams have time to officially add the player?

by thejd44 on Sep 30, 2008 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are you talking about big league players signed in FA?

If so, the answer is yes. Any player signed to a big league contract is automatically placed on the 40 man roster.

The monster at the end of this blog.

by grover on Sep 30, 2008 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right

Major League contract → 40-man
Minor League contract → not

So, eg, Emil Brown went on the A’s 40-man roster right away, but Mike Sweeney did not.

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by PaulThomas on Oct 1, 2008 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It would be cool if you could sign a secret agent

and not have to reveal who it is until you actually use him in a game.

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by PaulThomas on Sep 30, 2008 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ummmmm How about:

PT Agent 0005
Nice Agent 0006
Cindy Agent 0007
grover Agent 0008

These all have a license to SWING and they field undercover

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Sep 30, 2008 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice should have been Nico, wow that didn't fit did it. Thank God I spelled Cindy correcty

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Sep 30, 2008 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's "Cindi" - Gaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!!!

I HATE it when people spell names wrong!!!!! Grrrrrr…. :-( Soker does it all the time, and basegirl too.

And for the record, the dot over the first “i” is a heart this week.

-Cindi

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 30, 2008 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're way too high-maintenance, Cindi.

Otherwise, I’d be tempted to ask you out. You seem to like baseball.

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Sep 30, 2008 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

For how long can Chavez and Brown be kept on the 60-day DL?

I don’t think it’s possible to keep them on through the entire off-season. Is there a deadline for putting them back on the 40-man (or releasing, trading, or whatever other transaction)?

by thejd44 on Sep 30, 2008 8:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Yep

As soon as the World Series ends, 60-Day DLers have to re-join the 40-man. This isn’t a big issue, because there’s enough free agents that will be leaving the 40-man at the exact same time.

There is no 60-DL in the offseason.

"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ

by notsellingjeans on Oct 1, 2008 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs