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Monday Morning Minors Musings: Awards Edition

It's that time of the year. The minor league season has officially concluded and the major league roster has mushroomed-out to include the best that Sacramento has to offer. Before really bearing down and naming my minor league depth chart and top 20 prospects list (that's for next week), I'd thought I'd take this week to hand out a few of my personal awards for the A's minor league season:

First off, no surprise here:

Pitcher of the Year - Trevor Cahill: High-A Stockton, Double-A Midland & Team USA

Combined Stats - 11-5, 2.61 ERA, 136-50 K-BB, 124.1 Innings Pitched

Trevor had a nice season last year for Kane County, but it certainly didn't preclude that within just one season he would transform from being a nice "project" pitcher into one of the top pitching prospects in the entire minor leagues. The 20-year old righty started off the season as the number 4 starter on an uber-talented Stockton starting staff. Yet, after 14 starts of utter dominance (103 K's in only 87 IP and a meager .174 batting average against) Trevor became the unquestioned ace of the staff and was moved up to Double-A Midland. While Trevor's K-rate went down and his walk rate and BAA went up, he still managed to lower his ERA and win more games in far fewer starts at the Double-A level. He did this by trusting his stuff and his defense more, as he used his power-sinker to induce more than 3 times as many ground outs as fly outs while with Midland. Clearly, this man who turned down the Ivy League scholarship to play for the A's is a pitcher of intelligence! Although he pitched with a slight rib-cage injury while with Team USA in Beijing, he still managed to fire 8 innings of 2-run ball with 5 strikeouts to help America earn the Bronze Medal.

Recent observations note that Trevor's pitching arsenal reminds some of former Oakland ace Tim Hudson. While Trevor is a much bigger-bodied guy than Hudson and has cleaner mechanics, the comparisons seem apt enough. Both pitchers work off of above-average sinking fastballs and have above-average breaking and off-speed stuff to compliment it. Cahill, like Hudson early in his pro career, has walked just a few too many batters, but has also been just as unhittable and difficult to homer off-of. Hudson would later refine his control at the expense of his gaudy K-rate, but would also garner Cy Young attention in the process. Cahill could very easily follow a similar career path as Huddy.

I anticipate Trevor repeating Double-A early on next season, but getting bumped up quickly if his control improves a bit. He should be just about major league ready by this time next year.

 

Star-divide

Hitter of the Year - INF Chris Carter, High-A Stockton Ports

.259/.361/.569, 39 homers, 104 RBIs, 77-156 BB-K

Coming in second in the entire minor leagues in homeruns qualifies as a solid season, in my book. Jesus man, Carter had a monster year. Coming into the organization as kind of a wild card in the Dan Haren trade, the 21-year old Carter was seen as a defensively limited, unrefined hitter with loads of raw power. The season started out slow for Chris as he struggled to find his way with his new organization, but as the summer heat took over the thermometer, Carter's bat began to take over the Stockton offense. Carter would get on Custian-like streaks where he would belt like 4 or 5 homers over the course of a week, then would cool off and strike out in bunches. Even so, Carter's batting average got as high as .270 on several occasions during the year and never dropped to Hannahanian or Bartonian levels. He made strides to make himself more of a complete hitter during this season and even while he struck out in an alarming 31% of his at-bats, he also walked 77 times and HIT 39 HOMERS and 32 DOUBLES to off-set the lack of contact. He even stole 4 bases without being caught and homered an additional 5 times during the Cal League playoffs to carry the Ports to the League title.

Carter got fielding auditions at 1st base, 3rd base, left field, right field and DH. He likely doesn't have the dexterity to be a full-time infielder, but he's got good arm strength and might find a home in a corner outfield spot, at least for the short term. He'll probably DH for the long-term.

Some observers think that Carter is Jermaine Dye incarnate. The size and swing comparisons are apt, however Carter seems to be a more advanced hitter at his age than Dye was. In fact, Melissa Lockhard over at Scout.com did a comparison of Mark McGwire's age-21 season to Carter's age-21 season and concluded that Carter actually had the better year! Not to say that Carter is a sure bet to duplicate McGwire's career by any means, but it's a good reminder of the type of talent that Carter possesses. Even with his high strikeout totals and lack of defensive prowess, Carter remains one of the best pure power hitting prospects in the entire minor leagues. I expect him to spend nearly all of next season at Midland, with a late-season promotion to Sacramento if he nears his 2008 marks. He has a very outshot shot to be a September callup next season, but I'd bet that we'd more likely see him in Oakland in early summer 2010.

Pitching Disappointement of the Year - Fautino de los Santos, High-A Stockton

2-2, 5.87 ERA, 26-11 K-BB, 23 Innings Pitched

Remember this guy? Yeah, he was the third piece to the Nick Swisher trade. He lasted all of 5 ineffective starts for the Ports before blowing out his elbow and being shut down for the year. He's had Tommy John surgery and is scheduled to make it back to the field sometime next season. Santos will be 23 next season, so he's no spring chicken, and he kind of came out nowhere last season to turn some heads, so he doesn't have a particularly sterling track record to bank on. Yeah, at this point, I would say his future lies as a good setup man, at best, and only if his velocity fully returns to him. He should begin next season, whenever he's healthy, back at Stockton and with some luck could get to Midland by the end of the season.

Hitting Disappointment of the Year - OFer Richie Robnett

.240/.330/.351, 4 homers, 27 RBIs, 39-86 BB-K

After slugging 18 homers to go along with a solid .465 slugging percentage for Midland in 2007, Robnett was added to the A's 40-man roster over last winter. Unfortunately for Richie, his spot on the 40-man is now in serious jeopardy after a thoroughly disappointing 2008 campaign.

Always seen as a great natural athlete with very raw bat skills, but good power, Robnett regressed in virtually every aspect of his offensive game. He started the season in Sacramento and got over 200 at-bats but eventually fell back down to Midland after failing to get in a groove with the Rivercats, only batting .236 with a .658 OPS at the time of his demotion. Robnett did deal with a few medical issues early on in the season that probably contributed to his very slow start at the plate, however, for a 24 year old college-bred hitter to drop from 18 homers to 4 and from a .465 slugging percentage to a .351 percentage in the course of one season is very concerning. Richie can still play good outfield defense at the corners and a passable centerfield, but with about 8 other outfielders ahead of him on the depth chart on the 40-man roster, it's hard to imagine that he'll keep his spot on that list once the Rule V draft comes along.

Breakout Pitcher of the Year - Vincent Mazzaro, Midland & Sacramento

15-6, 2.74 ERA, 131-45 K-BB, 171.0 Innings Pitched

After two very unimpressive campaigns at Kane County (2006) and Stockton (2007) I was surprised to see Mazzaro promoted to Midland to begin 2008. But whatever the A's were thinking with Vince, it was spot on. Vince eventually earned Texas League Pitcher of the Year honors after dominating the circuit most of the season, going 12-3 with a 1.90 ERA. Vince didn't strike out a ton of batters over the course of the season, but scouts observed that over the winter he added a few ticks to his sinking fastball, improved his off-speed stuff and trusted his defense all season. The combination worked wonders for the kid, at least in Midland. He ran into some trouble (and bad BABIP luck) at Sacramento late in the season, but also pitched well into the PCL playoffs for the league champion RiverCats to make up for it.

Efficiency is Mazzaro's game. By routinely pounding the lower-part of the strike-zone and pitching-to-contact, Vince limited his pitch counts and routinely lasted into the 7th and 8th innings of games. He ended the regular season with a whopping innings pitched total of 182.0 (counting the PCL playoffs), which is about the amount that average major league starters accumulate over a longer regular big league season.

What's most remarkable about Vince's breakout season is that he pitched all season as a 21-year old and will be 22 all next season. He's come out of nowhere to really turn some heads, but is probably not even fully developed physically right now. He already projects as an efficient mid-back rotation innings eater at the major league level, but if he adds even more velocity to his sinker or improves his 2nd and 3rd pitches, he could turn out even better than that. At the very least, with all of the A's current pitching depth, Mazzaro has turned into one of the organization's top trading chips as Billy Beane looks to make a trade for a slugger this off-season.

Breakout Hitter of the Year - Cliff Pennington, Midland, Sacramento & Oakland

Cumulative stats (minors) - .280/.404/.352, 2 homers, 34 RBIs, 31 stolen bases/6 caught stealing, 93-70 BB-K

I use the terms "breakout" and "hitter" loosely when describing Pennington. He didn't set the world on fire or anything this past season, but he did prove that he can do a few things well and be an asset to any team if he does those things consistently. Cliff, a former 1st round pick, sustained leg injuries after the 2005 season that apparently really hampered his ability to play 100%. He therefore languished in the lower-levels of the organization and put up pretty horrible numbers along the way. He finally started to get healthy at the tail end of last season and began this year fully recovered at Midland.

At Midland he showed off his ability to control the strike-zone (39-36 BB-K), get on-base (.379) and wreak havoc on the basepaths (20 steals, 1 caught stealing). He played solid defense at both short and second and was promoted to Sacramento after about 200 at-bats. Cliff put it all together at Sacramento, even showing glimpses of power, as he continued to rack up the walks (54 BB's to only 34 K's!), hit a couple of homers, doubles and triples, got on-base (ridiculous .426 OBP) and steal bases - 11 of them in 65 games.

Now, I'm not gonna lie to you. The lack of power in Cliff's game is truly concerning. He needs to be able to sustain at least doubles-power in the majors to be a truly valuable player. However, I've always believed all-along that Cliff's skill set could be an asset to the major league bench. Defensively, I think that Cliff is an adequate defender at both short and second, and has shown that he can man 3rd in a pinch. He's got tremendous arm strength and just needs to get better at positioning himself, especially at short, but I think fundamentally, he's solid. In his brief time in the majors he's shown that his ability to draw walks hasn't eluded him at the highest level and he's been able to slap and bloop a few hits in there now and then. His "first to home" speed actually gave the A's a run yesterday that they wouldn't have had with, say, Jack Hannahan out there.

Cliff is never going to be a star nor is he the long-term answer at short. What he is, and likely always has been, is a nice little player that is a tough out, can play multiple up-the-middle positions fairly well and can run well. To me, that's going to make Cliff a fairly valuable bench guy for the next couple of years. He probably won't ever be as dramatic a contributor as Scutaro in his bench role (who can be, really?) but I think that he'll end up doing enough of the little things over the next few seasons that he'll win over some fans in the process.

"Steady as She Goes" Award - LHP Brad Kilby, Sacramento RiverCats

7-2, 3.47 ERA, 66-26 K-BB, 70.0 Innings Pitched

I know I keep harping on this guy and this is a very obscure award, but I think that Brad's consistent performance deserves some recognition. The San Jose State alum and NorCal native has done nothing but chew major innings in bullpens up and down the Oakland organization since getting drafted way back in the 29th round of the 2005 draft. He's got a funky lefty deliver that's kind of sidearmish/three quarters with lots of herky-jerkiness. It apparently throws off both lefties and righties as Brad ahs always been just about as good against righties as lefties throughout his pro career.

Brad's never been injured in his pro career and has never had a bad season. His full minor league stats are as follows: 17-6, 2.64 ERA, 262-88 K-BB, 232.1 IP, 1.15 WHiP. Any rubber-armed lefty bullpen arm that can hit 90mph on the gun (Brad can, at times), post a near 3-1 K-BB rate for his career, is tough to hit and can battle both righties and lefties has a chance at a pro career. I think that Brad has that chance.

About a month back I compared Kilby to Ron Flores. Both lefties seem to be the "underdog" types who make the most out of their relatively limited natural abilities. Flores was able to help the A's in a number of seasons as a 40-man roster player that was shuttled between Sacramento and Oakland and filled in admirably when called on to chew some big league innnings. I think Kilby will have that type of effect on the big league team. I expect him to be added to the 40-man roster this off-season and then have a chance to break camp with the big league team if Embree isn't retained and/or Braden or Outman end up in the starting rotation full-time next season. Even if he begins next season back at AAA, chances are, we'll see Kilby in an Oakland uniform at some point within a year.

 

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You greatly underestimate de los Santos' ceiling

I agree that he was the pitching disappointment of the year, but your statement that he will be a good setup man “at best” is ludicrous. Fautino de los Santos had front of the rotation stuff and had actually showed ability to harness that stuff — unlike H-Rod and Italiano at this point. Assuming he returns to his previous abilities, his ceiling as a front of the rotation starter is still intact.

Certainly, as with any pitcher who has had Tommy John surgery, there will an adjustment period after he begins pitching again, and there is always the possibility that he may never recover his previous stuff, but that does not reduce his ceiling but only the likelihood that he reaches that ceiling.

If de los Santos can show by the end of next year that he has recovered his velocity and command, he will be on track to reach AAA in his age 24 season, and reach the majors in his age 25 season. The injury, lost development time, and impending need to place him on the 40 man roster are concerns, but taken into context are relatively minor if he is able to avoid any setbacks.

If you want to predict that de los Santos will end up as nothing more than a good setup man, fine. Artificially limiting his ceiling to that based on a year of lost development in his age 22 season with an injury/surgery with an excellent recovery record? That’s not fair.

BTW, Taj, great post as always. Recommended.

by BlameChannel53 on Sep 22, 2008 10:02 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Sep 22, 2008 11:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+2

Another great post there Taj

Charlie Brown GO A'S WIN

by Charlie Brown on Sep 22, 2008 1:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is it really fair to dismiss DLS by saying he’ll be 23 next year in high-A when it’s because he missed a year because of TJ surgery?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Sep 22, 2008 10:10 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it's more than fair

He’s lost an entire year of development when he wasn’t exactly on the fast track at this point anyway. At this rate, if he goes a level per year, he won’t get to the majors until 2012 when he’s 26 years old. And it’s more than reasonable to expect that since the first year after TJ surgery is typically a subpar, lost season anyway.

by thejd44 on Sep 22, 2008 10:24 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well if you’re starting DLS off at high-A next year and moving him up one level per year, obviously he’s going to look a bit disappointing.
based on how he looked in the spring, i’d expect him to get promoted more rapidly than that, if/when he’s healthy.

also ziggy made his major league debut as a 27 year old, and he’s looking pretty good so far…

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Sep 22, 2008 10:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huge difference between a funky-delivery reliever and a guy who was projected as a top of the rotation starter

Top of the rotation starters typically debut before they’re 26.

As for promoting him quickly: It’s going to take a while for him to get back to form. I’d be surprised if he spent any significant time at AA next year. Look at Liriano. He didn’t take quite as long to be a decent pitcher again, but he wasn’t even a little bit good when he first returned from TJ.

by thejd44 on Sep 22, 2008 10:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So what?

Top of the rotation starters typically don’t get injured and have TJ surgery when they’re in A ball … but sometimes they do …

The A’s are smart enough to not care a bit about his performance/numbers in 2009. 2009 is about rebuilding his velocity, cleaning up his mechanics a bit and teaching … if he retires batters effectively, super, the fans in Sacramento and/or Midland will appreciate it. If he doesn’t, no big deal.

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Sep 22, 2008 11:38 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

regarding tj surgery

don’t let that scare you away. plenty of players have come back fine. as the article at the link below suggests, sometimes the time away and the intense rehab can actually benefit a player. DLS was definitely a disappointment this year, but i think it’s too early to give up on him.

http://www.imwritingsports.com/baseball/tommy-john-surgery-the-truth-revealed/

by jlanning17 on Sep 22, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My take on the issue

is that the injury did not really damage his upside, but did damage his chances of reaching it. Where before he might have been a “9C” (ace upside, average chance of reaching it) now he might be more of a 9D or even 9E, with correspondingly lower chances of becoming a pitcher lower down the MLB food chain.

He’s going to have to move faster than he would have without the injury. That carries with it a greater risk of failure. However, he isn’t doomed by any means.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Sep 22, 2008 11:53 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pitchers who have TJS often come back and are just as strong as they were

and sometimes stronger. Since the ligament they use to replace the old one is actually stronger than the one they replace. Id be much more worried if he had shoulder surgery.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Sep 22, 2008 12:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hes got a ERA+ of 116 for Chicago.

he been pretty good.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Sep 22, 2008 2:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's pretty average for a reliever ...

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Sep 22, 2008 3:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well mikev make it seem like hes

been crap. Which he hasnt. I wouldnt mind more relievers with 116OPS+.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Sep 22, 2008 4:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

with a 116 OPS+, dotel would be the third best hitter on the a’s.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Sep 22, 2008 4:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More healthy relievers, anyway ...

Ziegler, Devine, Blevins, Casilla and Brown all top that by a hefty margin … and a healthy Street would blow that performance away …

Dotel has been considerably worse since the surgery than he was when he was healthy …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Sep 22, 2008 4:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For one I didnt say ALL pitchers...

two all I’m saying is Dotel THIS year hasnt been crap.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Sep 22, 2008 4:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But no one said he was ...

he’s been worse than he was before the surgery, though … which was the point in which he was brought up …

And, you’re right, mikev’s counter example of Octavio Dotel isn’t really relevant, but it is accurate in terms of the simple facts …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Sep 22, 2008 4:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well there is a diff between TGS when u are younger than more than 1/2 threw your career.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Sep 22, 2008 4:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TJS* That is.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Sep 22, 2008 4:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is there?

I’m not saying that there isn’t … I just don’t know that there is …

(Obviously a player at the very tail end of his career will have a lot less to come back for, since his skills and abilities might be too diminished to make it worth it for someone to take a chance on …)

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Sep 22, 2008 4:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Off the top of my head I cant think of a player

but Im sure there is a good young pitcher playing well that had TJS when he was in the minors.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Sep 22, 2008 4:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm sure there is too ...

but weren’t you just the one pointing out that single examples aren’t generally valid evidence?

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Sep 22, 2008 4:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but if he was the only one pointing it out ...

It's just something we do. It's not something we like. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2008 4:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wasnt pointing out anything..

I was just defending Dotel.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Sep 22, 2008 5:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alrighty ...

when I said you were right … apparently I misunderstood you, I was wrong …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Sep 22, 2008 5:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There are a lot of post-TJS pitchers around

Erik Bedard isn’t the picture of health, but he’s pretty damn good when he’s out there.

Just in the A’s system, Andrew Brown and Andrew Bailey both had TJS earlier in their careers. If anything, the problem appears to be that guys who have TJS often have inherently bad mechanics that lead to other problems, so that it’s more a leading indicator of future problems than a problem in and of itself.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Sep 22, 2008 8:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also that just speaks to how good our pen is.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Sep 22, 2008 4:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The 'pen is mightier

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Sep 22, 2008 4:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cliff pennington, breakout hitter of the year = depressing

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Sep 22, 2008 10:25 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly

I think I’d go with Aaron Cunningham, Sean Doolittle, Corey Brown, and Jesus Guzman before selecting Cliff MoneyPennington. I guarantee Pennington’s OBP drops .100 pts. at the MLB level next season (from his AAA numbers). Otherwise, pretty good post.

by Colorado Fan on Sep 22, 2008 11:26 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cunningham didn't break out...

He’s been doing the same thing ever since he was drafted. His consistency (800-900 OPS, .300 average, 20 HR per 600 at bats or so) is remarkable.

The guy is like the Rodney Dangerfield of prospects…

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Sep 22, 2008 11:48 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cunningham hit as expected in AA, but...

But no one could have expected a 22 year old who came into the season with just 30 games above A Ball putting up a 1.106 OPS in 89 PA in AAA and a 121 OPS+ in 73 PA in MLB.

I would give Doolittle the breakout award and Sulentic the comeback player of the year award.

by Danny on Sep 22, 2008 12:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hitting Disappointment of the Year #2 - OFer Jermaine Mitchell

like robnett, a toolsy, raw hitter…who due to his age is running out of time.

there were even rumblings preseason that they’d be aggressive and start him out at AA.
the speed, defense, athleticism is there, but the hitting is far behind.
I expected a big cal league season after a solid MWL in 07, but the k’s, cant hit lefties still remained.
i’m not sure if he was injured early on or just straight up struggling.
he did finish strong in the last month + in the playoffs

Desme was also a disappointment since he’s had a total of 49ab’s the last 2 seasons

by Asfan4ever723 on Sep 22, 2008 10:26 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I only have one major beef here

and it’s that Sean Doolittle pretty clearly broke out to a greater extent than Pennington did. A lot of people (including, cough, yours truly) had prematurely written him off as a bad pick after last year. Even with some mediocre play in AA at the end of the year, he posted an overall line of .286/.358/.495 with 22 HR and 43 2B/3B (suggesting that his power is not fully developed yet, as we would expect from a guy in his age 21 season), as well as 63 walks and 153 strikeouts. He hasn’t really figured out how to combine power with contact yet, as he definitely had too many whiffs this year, but he has considerable time to work on that aspect of things.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Sep 22, 2008 10:26 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree with Breakout Hitter of the Year

I think that position should go to someone like, say, Matt Sulentic, who went from a .450 or so OPS to an .850 or so OPS.

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by Zonis on Sep 22, 2008 10:28 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sulentic and doolittle

both seem like better candidates for breakout hitter of the year.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Sep 22, 2008 10:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

here's NWL top 20
  1. Christian/#18 Coleman

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/league-top-20-prospects/2008/266887.html

17. Jason Christian, ss, Vancouver (Athletics)
B-T: L-R Ht.: 6-3 Wt.: 170 Age: 21 Drafted: Athletics ’08 (5)

Though he hit .291/.404/.432, Christian’s calling card was far and away his defense. He had the best range among NWL shortstops and a slightly above-average arm. He still needs to fine-turn his footwork, which led to 18 errors, but even the miscues couldn’t detract from his ability at shortstop.

“He’s a real good looking defender,” Eugene manager Greg Riddoch said. “He can go from line to line and is very consistent. The glove is the biggest thing. He saves a lot of pitching staffs.”

With a loose swing and a quick bat, Christian should provide enough offense to find a spot in a big league lineup. He has some power potential and 55 speed on the 20-80 scouting scale.

18. Dusty Coleman, ss, Vancouver (Athletics)
B-T: R-R Ht.: 6-2 Wt.: 185 Age: 21 Drafted: Athletics ’08 (28)

The Athletics landed two of the better all-around shortstops in Christian and Coleman, who headed to the Cape Cod League after the draft and earned himself a $675,000 bonus with an all-star summer. Their tools are comparable, with Coleman projecting to be slightly better with the bat and not quite as good with the glove.

Coleman has more power potential and can drive balls to the opposite field, though he needs to tone down his swing and his aggressiveness. He’s a solid-average runner with good instincts on the bases. Defensively, his arm and range are solid.

by Asfan4ever723 on Sep 22, 2008 10:28 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

christian
Though he hit .291/.404/.432, Christian’s calling card was far and away his defense. He had the best range among NWL shortstops and a slightly above-average arm. He still needs to fine-turn his footwork, which led to 18 errors, but even the miscues couldn’t detract from his ability at shortstop.

that is good to know, since i think some were concerned about his defensive abilities at SS given all the errors.

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by xbhaskarx on Sep 22, 2008 10:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's hard to talk about Christian without mentioning Ks and BBs

He struck out in 30.5% of his PA, and he walked in 15.5%, both of which were near the league lead. The only reason his batting average was decent was because his BABIP was above .400, also near the league lead.

He’s going to need to significantly cut down on his Ks to have success at higher levels. He simply doesn’t have enough power to make up for all those Ks.

by Danny on Sep 22, 2008 1:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would love to see Kilby in the green & gold

I covered a bit of baseball for SJSU and Kilby was always willing to stop & chat for a quick interview. Great guy. Go Spartans!

by SwisherThresher on Sep 22, 2008 10:31 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Question re two pitchers:

I was wondering why, in folks’ opinion, the younger less polished Mazzaro was promoted to AAA over the older and more polished Simmons. Just curious to hear people’s takes on that as I never hear it discussed – is there an obvious reason that I’ve overlooked?

I like Pennington as a 2B (who can play SS) – ideally not as an every day player but certainly as a utility option – but I don’t see him as a regular SS, where he seems like a singles-hitter version of Bobby Crosby. And that really sucks!

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by Nico on Sep 22, 2008 4:23 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe

Beane’s trying to showcase Mazzaro more and by putting him in AAA Beane could maybe make the case that he is near-MLB ready to other execs around the league when shopping.

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by Helloooo 1st on Sep 22, 2008 4:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was wondering about that, but you can also say

that by pushing a guy to a higher level where he is likely to struggle you could produce worse stats to showcase, “Look, he maxed out at AA!”

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by Nico on Sep 22, 2008 4:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a double-edged sword, you're right.

But Beane gambled and it looks like it may have paid off.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Sep 28, 2008 4:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pretty simple answer to that question, IMO:

Mazzaro was doing better. Sometimes guys’ performance “forces you to make a move”. Simmons’s didn’t, Mazzaro’s did. I imagine the brass had figured both of them would be in AA for the duration in 2008.

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by PaulThomas on Sep 22, 2008 4:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

It isn’t really a trick question. Mazzaro was pitching a lot better and nothing more to prove.

by DeJay on Sep 26, 2008 6:52 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Simmons has done a great job of limiting walks and a fairly good job of keeping the ball in the park ...

and strikes’em out at a decent clip, but he gives up a ton of hits …

Mazzaro was comparably good at limiting walks and striking batters out but gave up far fewer hits and was flat out incredible at keeping the ball in the park. He was performing at a much, much higher level.

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by devo on Sep 22, 2008 4:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Simmons isn't going to have a BABIP of .345 in the major leagues

I don’t know if Midland’s defense was bad or he was just unlucky, but that’s a ridiculous figure. Simmons actually has a (slightly) better FIP than Mazzaro when you use minorleaguesplits’s luck neutralizer.

As I said elsewhere, personally I think they’re pretty indistinguishable.

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by PaulThomas on Sep 22, 2008 8:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mazzaro aced AA for one thing

Besides, this was Simmons first full season in pro ball. He had to adjust to the rigors of playing so often and why compound that adjustment by giving him a promotion when he still had things to learn in Midland? The guy’ll be in Sac’s rotation next year anyways, so why push it?

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by grover on Sep 22, 2008 4:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's looking at you, kid.

I’m no good at being noble, but it doesn’t take much to see that the problems of three little people don’t amount to Cahill of Beane’s in this crazy world. Someday you’ll understand that.

It's just something we do. It's not something we like. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2008 4:56 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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