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What a wacky day of baseball at the Coliseum! A's 8, Mariners 7

Honestly, the only things missing from this game were a position player pitching and someone pulling off the hidden-ball trick.

We had lousy pitching, good pitching, and unlucky pitching; lousy hitting, good hitting, and lucky hitting; a handful of outstanding defensive plays; startling developments on the basepaths; A's playing out of position and shifting all over the field; and all this in a see-saw battle that went back and forth all afternoon.

The game started out poorly for the A's, as Kirk Saarloos gagve up runs early and often to the anemic M's offense. Jerry Blevins came in and stopped the bleeding -- and then Alan Embree decided to rip off the scab, surrendering a 3-run 2-run homer to Johjima. Street and Ziegler both gave up a few too many baserunners for comnfort, but the A's (assisted by both the Mariners' overeagerness at the plate and third-base umpire Bill Miller's 4:30 tee time) managed to keep the Mariners off the board for the last three innings.

The top performers for the A's today were chimeras: third baseman Jacric Barnahan made several outstanding plays, and #8 batter Jefflos Baizalez went 4/4 with 5 RBIs and 2 runs scored. Yes, Barton ended up at third today -- and we also saw Rob Bowen playing first, and the outfielders looking like they were playing the cap caper. Baisley himself drove in 4 runs (two on a bloop single, two on a more solid hit) and Carlos Gonzalez stung the ball after coming in as part of the A's complex of defensive rotations.

The top of the ninth was especially madcap: Mariner second baseman Luis Valbuena led off with a Crosby-style double down the first-base/RF line -- and then was called out at third when he tried to go for the triple and Pennington made an outstanding relay throw that ... apparently, from all first-hand accounts, came nowhere close to actually beating Valbuena to the bag. The Mariner third base coach and manager got themselves tossed arguing the call, but to no avail. Ziggy then walked Ichiro, but induced Yuniesky Betancourt to ground to, yes, third baseman Daric Barton, who started a 5-4-3 DP to end it.

Whew!

One more game left at the Coliseum this year: tomorrow at 1:05, the A's try to send the M's to their eleventh consecutive loss.

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thanks, MK; corrected

It's just something we do. It's not something we like. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 20, 2008 4:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

PLEASE CHEER BILL MILLER TODAY WHEN HE'S INTRODUCED.

The others? Not so such.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Sep 21, 2008 12:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Jacric Barnahan & Jefflos Baizalez...

Weren’t both of those guys members of the Serbian National Basketball team prior to this game?

I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!

by Taj Adib on Sep 20, 2008 4:31 PM PDT   0 recs

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They were the rhythm section for Tainted Serbian Goat Meat, my first band in high school.

It's just something we do. It's not something we like. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 20, 2008 4:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Serbian Goat Meat is getting a bad rap here. Chinese baby formula is much more likely

to be tainted.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Sep 20, 2008 6:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

coincidentally, Tainted Serbian Goat Meat was a bad rap band

It's just something we do. It's not something we like. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 20, 2008 7:21 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Great recap.

Too bad this game was on television. Bitches.

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Sep 20, 2008 4:42 PM PDT   0 recs

Well at least tomorrow's game --

Never mind.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 20, 2008 5:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It will be on my television.

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Sep 20, 2008 5:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Lots of pinch hitting, and an injury.

In the sixth, Carlos Gonzalez hit for Baisley (who was playing at first). In the top of the seventh, Gonzalez went out in CF, Sweeney was pushed to RF, and Buck headed for LF. Barton (who didn’t start), replaced Cunningham, and played at 1B.

In the 7th, Hannahan apparently got an oblique strain while catching a pop up in foul territory.

So, in the top of the 8th, Barton slid over to 3rd, Bowen moved over to 1st, and Suzuki came in the game to catch.

by danmerqury on Sep 20, 2008 6:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah, saw the archived video.

Hannahan was going to catch it next to the bullpen mound, but the wind pushed it directly over it, and Hannahan caught it, but ate dirt and landed with his chest on the mound.

by danmerqury on Sep 20, 2008 6:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hannahan made a play in foul territory...

something happened with the bullpen mound. Tripped, something. He was visited by WALT!!! after the play. The bottom of the inning, I believe, Jack, according to Poppy’s at-game analysis, was favoring his right side while on deck. Jack grounded out to end the inning and was limping. Hannahan then left with WALT!!! down the tunnel to the clubhouse, limping, looking upset, and leaving a trail of gear (helmet, gloves) down the ramp.

Patrol Craft pinch hit for Baisley earlier, which left Barton, who came in to play first, the only person to play third. Bowen was catching, so he shifted to first. Suzuki came in to catch.

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Sep 20, 2008 6:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hannahan got hurt making a "Superman" play

at 3rd base going into the A’s bullpen. I was sitting right behind the A"s dugout in section 121 so I got a really good angle on the play.

JH came up looking a bit shaky holding his side (ribs?) and the med staff and Geren came to check him out. He stayed in the game but I guess they decided to pull him in favor of DB for the 9th.

A really fun game to be at today and I got to say to alot of the players as they came back to the dugout. My highlight was saying, “Nice game Carlitos! ”, and he looked up at me and gave me a fist pump and a “Thanks man”, nod. Street really battled today and he was really good about congratulating his teammates for backing him up. And that play at 3rd in the 9th??

Holy cow did that ump blow that call to holy hell! The 3rd base coach was so pissed that his veins looked like they were about to burst into the next Big Bang!!!!!!!! And then the manager got tossed, too! Wow, what a great time today……now I will pause for an ice-cold beer………Go A’s!

by mrod on Sep 20, 2008 6:42 PM PDT   0 recs

I have to dissent on the tag play at 3B

I’m inclined to think the much-maligned ump got it right after all.

I was listening on Gameday Audio thanks to the blackout, and Korach and Fosse seemed flabbergasted that an ump could blow a play that badly. But today I went to the archived game on MLB.TV and watched the top of the 9th. I don’t think any replay caught the play definitively (because of the jumble of bodies I don’t think any one angle showed the tag of the bag and the tag on the player clearly and simultaneously) but the best replay was the one they showed on the last pitch of the game (literally on the last pitch of the game – they were late cutting back to live action and so all you see of the game-ending double play was the out at first). Valbuena definitely had the throw beaten, but his left hand appeared not to reach the bag – instead he got a handful of Barton’s ankle or foot. It’s possible that he managed to either get the hand past Barton’s block or to get his other hand on the bag before Barton’s tag, but I’m inclined to believe he was correctly called out. It was certainly a much closer play than all the commentary would have you believe. When I heard a homer like Fosse say that the A’s had caught a big break I had to believe the ump had blown it big time, but Fosse’s description that Valbuena was already straddling the bag was about as accurate as a lot of the things Fosse says (I like Fosse, but I don’t trust him for analysis).

On mlb.com this morning Barton says he was trying to block the bag. It says he dropped his knee down, which is true up to a point, but his knee did not get all the way down and the runner got past it. It was his foot that effectively blocked Valbuena from the bag.

Most of the time when the runner beats the ball he’s just called safe, period. The ump, Bill Miller, could have saved himself a lot of grief if he’d just made the conventional call rather than watching the play closely – everybody is ripping him for a bad call. Even Barton hung him out to dry with his “The ump called him out, so he must have been out” comment – but of course Barton knew the runner was there first and couldn’t actually see whether his block was effective.

It’s an interesting example of how, even with replay, first impressions can rule and people can see what they were expecting to see without realizing they aren’t seeing a key part of the play.

by Faust on Sep 21, 2008 7:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To what extent are you allowed to block

a four-sided bag? The rules are different than for home plate. I have a rule book so I’ll look it up – just wondering what folks know. I miss Alameda Greg and his wacky rule quizzes. :-(

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 21, 2008 9:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I too was under the impression that you were not allowed to block bases

Personally, I think any runner who is “blocked off” of anything, home plate or otherwise, should be called safe for policy reasons. There’s no larger source of catastrophic position-player injuries than on-field collisions, and the last thing the rules should be doing is encouraging more of them.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Sep 21, 2008 10:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The problem, unless I'm missing it somewhere,

is that the issue of a fielder blocking a base is not specifically addressed in the Rule Book. There are provisions (in 7.06) for “When obstruction occurs…” but “obstruction” is defined only as regarding a fielder who is not in possession of the ball or in the act of fielding a ball, and then this provision: “The catcher, without the ball in his possession, has no right to block the pathway of the runner attempting to score…”

But nothing is said about a fielder who is not a catcher, or about a base that is not home plate, or about a fielder who does have the ball. All of which would suggest that if you have the ball you can do anything you want to block any base. Which makes me wonder why bases aren’t fully blocked more often? Block off second base, while the throw is coming, on every stolen base attempt and then put the tag on at your leisure.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Sep 21, 2008 11:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

if a fielder with the ball were not allowed to block the base,

he’d need to stand clear of the baseline in pretty much all situations and attempt only a swipe tag. this obviously is not the case…fielders with the ball stand in the baseline and tag runners coming towards them, especially during rundowns. so the rule seems to be the same as that for catchers…no ball, no block, obstruction. if you’re awaiting a throw at second you should not be blocking the bag with your foot..

and of course, as PT says, policy should prevent anything bad from happening to valuable ballplayers…no collisions, no dives for foul balls (in fact, no dives whatsoever), no fastballs. Maybe MLB could obtain some of those jumbo double bags that they use in softball to prevent collisions and sprained ankles at first?

by skutch on Sep 21, 2008 12:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Put your straw man back in the closet, bucko

There’s an obvious difference between essential features of baseball, and ambiguous rules that create dangerous situations. Unnecessary injuries reduce the quality of play by putting the best players on the sidelines.

Players can always choose not to dive; they can’t choose not to collide with someone blocking a base.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Sep 21, 2008 2:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think that's right

I remember Bill James going on about this at some length in one (or more) of the Abstracts. I don’t think there’s any difference in the rule for home plate as opposed to any of the other bases. James’s point, however, was addressed to the other end of the comparison – that there was nothing in the rules allowing catchers to block home plate without the ball, although this was done completely routinely without ever being called, resulting in lots of unnecessary injuries. Catchers used to set up armored blockades (my impression, quite possibly wrong, is that this doesn’t happen as much as it used to) not merely when they had the ball, but when they were thinking about maybe getting the ball in the fairly near future. Although patently illegal under a straightforward reading of the rules, it’s an entrenched macho feature of the game and has gained de facto if not de jure acceptance.

by Faust on Sep 21, 2008 6:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"I got to say hello" to alot of the players...

Damned sun fried my brain…..

by mrod on Sep 20, 2008 6:44 PM PDT   0 recs

It was raining at yesterday's game.

Last thing I expected. It only lasted for the first half-inning, but still.

by danmerqury on Sep 20, 2008 6:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That would have been cool today

It sure was humid for awhile and there were plenty of rain clouds on the horizon……. still a very nice day overall for baseball.

by mrod on Sep 20, 2008 6:50 PM PDT   0 recs

looking forward to going to the game tomorrow

for the last home game of the season

by OaklandSi on Sep 20, 2008 6:52 PM PDT   0 recs

Barton started a DP!

I guess they have no choice but to bring in Petit now. Unless they think Rajai is the backup SS.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Sep 20, 2008 6:57 PM PDT   0 recs

Actually..

I’d like to see Daric Barton convert to 3B. It would relieve some of the A’s problems with depth at that position, and it would make it feasible for Eric Chavez to move to 1st.

by VORP is too nerdy on Sep 20, 2008 7:00 PM PDT   0 recs

Mmm, that was a fun game.

I even got sunburned on one of my arms. Perfect.

The defense was totally wacky… only Cust, Crosby, and Cliffy stayed in their spots for the whole game. But that meant I got to see Travis and Ryan from the RF bleachers—woo!

As for the call at 3rd in the 9th, he looked safe from where I was, but I was quite far away from where the play actually happened, so I’ll have to watch a replay (if it exists anywhere). Oh, and Hannahan’s catch was amazing. Totally faceplanted on the bullpen mound, but he definitely came up slowly and didn’t look that great afterwards. Wasn’t surprised he had to come out.

Interesting offensive day, considering the top of the order did nothing for much of the game, and the bottom (read: bad) part of the order got a lot of the scoring done. Thanks, Jeffy. We all appreciate your effort… now let’s put in a pinch-hitter for the 4 RBI man. No, but really, Carlos looked good too. Heck, everybody looked good to me today (well, maybe not Kirk, and definitely not Embree).

Okay, I’m falling asleep at the keyboard… the sun really takes it out of ya… better go get some caffeine.

by whiteshoes40 on Sep 20, 2008 7:01 PM PDT   0 recs

2 more things I forgot and suddenly remembered:

1. I got the team baseball cards today, and I was excited to see RyRy on the top of the pack. They know me so well.
2. For the 2nd time this year, an A is on Yahoo’s home page for breaking a record… although this one isn’t so good, considering it’s about Cust: “Oakland slugger Jack Cust makes baseball history by breaking a record he’d rather not have.” That’s okay, Jack. You got your walks in today, so it’s all good.

by whiteshoes40 on Sep 20, 2008 7:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Cust made NO progress toward the 200 or the 30 goal today.

C’mon Jack — you’ve already got that 100 walks.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Sep 20, 2008 7:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

Watching the Rangers game… the home plate ump has called “time” late twice since I’ve been watching.

The second time…. Padilla threw the pitch and it bounce off Aybar and hit the ump in the crotch. The ump was pissed!

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Sep 20, 2008 7:05 PM PDT   0 recs

Yay, more free Pepsi!

Bring on the cavities!

by Kimberly on Sep 20, 2008 7:15 PM PDT   0 recs

Speaking of cavities

I just went to Western Dental and left with fewer teeth and a $3300 bill. Less the $385.00 I gave them.

Just got back three hours ago. Decided to go after not going for 10 years as I have (still have) tooth ache.

I was quoted this cost for two root canals, 1 filling, 3 extractions, (I have many stiches where they had to cut and dig out roots) a partial denture. ($966.00 for that)

To top it off, they could not do the left side and since I had severe toothache on both sides of my mouth, they said, “Take your pick, we will give you something for the pain and come back next week”

I had all my top teeth out many, many years ago as the denstist told me then (when I was 23) that I was wasting money getting them filled. I should have done that with these but oh well. I wouldn’t trade real teeth on top for the false ones I have for anything but the bottom ones are apparently a different story.

Anyway, back at the ranch, I missed today’s game of course. I did have my cell watching the scores on my phone while have teeth yanked and gums stitched.

Meet Jack Hannahan, He has a broken clock and like all broken clocks, it's right twice a day

by Trainman on Sep 20, 2008 8:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Kids -- don't let This happen to you:

— CA Dental Assn

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Sep 21, 2008 7:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you Bill Miller and A's fans everywhere

for your generous contributions to the Strasburg to Seattle Foundation.

Somewhere in Malaysia a little boy is pressing the letters to the back of my favorite new jersey right now…

by Omerta on Sep 20, 2008 7:27 PM PDT   0 recs

No. Not in Malaysia. Maybe Pakistan.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Sep 20, 2008 9:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

{orders vintage PAKISTAN BAHNSEN Expos jersey}

It's just something we do. It's not something we like. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2008 9:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Awesome, Stan Bahnson

Couple of years ago my son bought a pack of cards and got a Stan Bahnson Game used jersey card.

Enjoy the game

by DCinWC on Sep 21, 2008 10:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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