It's Fremont or bust for Wolff
wow it would be not far fetched if oakland's only team by the end of the decade will be the warriors. bring on SAC or Vegas!! maybe wolff's frat brother selig will get his contraction wish eventually. or the unthinkable, they end this territorial rights BS and allow them to get something done in the south bay. SJ 3rd largest city in California, 10th largest in US. they have no major sports teams in the late spring/summer. putting the A's there is good for mlb overall. but this territorial rights BS is based off something 10-15+ yrs ago that A's let giants originally have so they wouldnt move off to Tampa Bay. a good will gesture has turned into a ridiculous situation where A's are getting bent over and may be their downfall
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/19/SPUP131A5N.DTL
A's owner Lewis Wolff stood fast Friday to his desire to move the team to Fremont and threatened leaving California altogether if the proposal doesn't work.
Q: When do you plan to move the team to Fremont?
A: 2012 would be our target. Dealing in California is not simple, so you may be boosting us for longer than you think.
Q: What will transit options be in Fremont?
A: Instead of just saying, 'If you don't have a BART station, you can't survive,' we're trying to figure out if we can. If we can, we will. If we can't, we won't. Of course, then we wouldn't be in California any more.
Q: Did you make a sincere effort to stay in Oakland?
A: I wish I had a lie-detector test. I spent two years making a sincere effort to stay in Oakland, but it was not as simple as I thought it might be. ... When a lot of you sue me for leaving, I think I can win the case because I tried.
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These are the answers that I thought were most important
Q: Will you bring in any big bats in the offseason?
A: The answer is yes.
Q: Will you re-sign anyone?
A: Look, this free-agency thing is very, very difficult. One of the reasons we need a new venue that can generate more activity is to reach out and keep free agents. … Are we going to go out and seek someone who wants $100 million for four years? If that’s want you want to boost, that’s not going to be us.
So we will not be bringing in Mark Teixiera, but we might bring in a guy like Giambi on the cheap, I guess. That, or we will be trading for a bat (Dan Uggla Plz!)
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by Zonis on Sep 20, 2008 12:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the A's getting Uggla
We would have to give up way too much to get him. Besides, we have Cardenas and Weeks in the minors that should hopefully be up by September of next year. If we do make a trade, I think that it will be for a SS or 3B. Those are the only positions we we have a serious need for improvement; maybe Doolittle gets called up by September next year also, or Barton figures out to hit MLB pitching. I think that Hannahan and Barton are in the bottom five in baseball for average.
I would like to see Furcal signed and a trade for Fields or another top 3B prospect.
by green_and_gold on Sep 20, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Profit?
Since Wolff bought the team, did he make a profit off the Oakland A’s at all? Or did he want to move the team because he wants to make MORE money? With the payroll as low as it has been and luxury tax receipts, I doubt Wolff is doing too badly with his purchase of this team.
by batterbatter on Sep 20, 2008 4:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The team has generally made a fairly good profit in recent years ...
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by devo on Sep 20, 2008 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's sounding a lot like BUST for Wolff
Earlier he said that Fremont was in flux. Then he said that it would “probably happen” and that it was 60/40. Now it sounds like he isn’t very optimistic at all and is beginning to talk about moving the team out of state. I don’t know what to believe but I sure hope this Fremont deal gets done.
by uci anteater on Sep 20, 2008 5:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is the first time I've heard frustration from Wolff.
Not sure how much is posturing and how much is genuine frustration though.
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by WaddellCanseco on Sep 20, 2008 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's all about the Mayoral election in Fremont...
he’s telling Fremonters… elect Morrison and the deal is dead! Is that what you want?
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by FoolshGame22 on Sep 20, 2008 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it's all posturing. Good.
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by WaddellCanseco on Sep 20, 2008 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, yes...
to the extent that he expects his expressions to have an effect on the election. But, no, in the sense that he’s right. If Morrison is elected, the Fremont ballpark is dead. And, the A’s will be gone in 5 years unless all MLB owners turn against McGowan (which I don’t discount as possible) and give the A’s the joint rights to Santa Clara County.
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by FoolshGame22 on Sep 20, 2008 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we'll have a new stadium at the current Coli site within 10 years
It likely won’t be with Wolff (sr or jr) on board, and probably won’t have Selig Acres attached, and may need to wait until Al Davis takes the Raiders to Hell with him when he goes, but I think that’s the likeliest outcome.
Remember, Magowan’s gone — which means the personal/institutional animus against him among the other owners will likely dissipate. And Neukom’s a shark, but a shark that knows how to hunt with a pack — any SJ access the A’s are granted will come at a cash price that makes the deal unattractive. Yeah, it could happen — but I think MLB as a whole (i.e., the ownership groups) will see a single-use stadium at the current site as the overall cheapest, most-hassle-free, and highest ROI move for all parties involved.
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by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2008 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If push comes to shove what leverage does Neukom have over the other owners?
If the city of Oakland isn’t going to subsidize the park and if there isn’t going to be a development opportunity in the surrounding area, who is going to foot the bill?
Why stay in Oakland in the first place if another city is going to yield higher revenues — eg. one of San Jose, Boston, Brooklyn, Montreal, Portland, Austin, Monterrey? Or do you believe that Oakland’s growth is going to accelerate such that it is the highest revenue site?
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by WaddellCanseco on Sep 21, 2008 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard for me to take this seriously
Boston. Boston? You gotta be shitting me.
Montreal? That’s a tough sell.
And, yes, the NYC Metro area is technically large enough to support another team or two, but (especially with two new stadia), no way do the Yanks or Mets allow that to happen. Likewise with Northern NJ.
Portland has been pretty thoroughly debunked as an MLB option by others with more knowledge than me. Ditto Austin. Monterrey has its own set of challenges (thought might be the likeliest out of your list).
Lew, as Ratto put it, has no leverage whatsoever without an actual offer from soem other locale.
No, I don’t foresee a golden era beginning in Oakland — I suspect the town will remain economically moribund for the next 10 years (though I’ll defer to anyone with actual knowledge of the town’s base, which I ain’t got).
But the Coli site has fewer barriers to entry than just about any other site in the Bay Area. Yes, there’d be a lower total-revenue ceiling than the Selig Acres scheme — but it’d also cost a whole lot less, and would have far fewer regulatory hurdles to leap.
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by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
would it be possible to move the A's to Sacramento?
I know the ‘Cats are already there, so it’s highly HIGHLY unlikely, but would that city support the A’s financially? The Cats had the highest attendance of all AAA this year, so I don’t see why they wouldn’t do the same for the A’s.
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by DyeLongJustice on Sep 21, 2008 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the A's go to Sacramento, it's guaranteed the River Cats would go somewhere else.
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by Flashfire on Sep 21, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you can't really compare minor league attendance to the majors.
For starters, the price points are COMPLETELY different.
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by Flashfire on Sep 21, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what the A's saved in payroll this year, Lew could make
Raley Field MLB ready and draw 30k per game. This will not happen because there are no homes or shopping centers to be built in this plan.
by john the comic guy on Sep 21, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Also Sacramento isn't as sexy as San Jose.
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by WaddellCanseco on Sep 21, 2008 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm ...
The Rivercats high attendance is about half what the A’s typically draw per game at ticket prices that are about half what the A’s charge … and they play something like 20% fewer games … so Rivercats ticket revenue (rough estimate here) would be about 20% of what the A’s take in …
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by devo on Sep 22, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're basically saying that the Oakland situation isn't going to improve anytime soon.
But you do not believe that that current alternatives are better, so the A’s have no better option other than to stay.
I personally believe that mlb wants to be in San Jose, and if Fremont falls through, then that would be the next option they explore. If that also falls through, then I don’t see the A’s staying in the SF Bay Area. In fact that’s how I would approach the situation in their position.
Lew may not have leverage until someplace else emerges as a candidate, but I but I find it very hard to believe that not one other city in North America will emerge as an alternative to Oakland within the next ten years.
You find it hard to take my list of prospective cities seriously, but if Oakland didn’t already have a team, I would look at all of those options before Oakland if I were looking to put an expansion team together. Inertia only goes so far and ten years is a long time.
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by WaddellCanseco on Sep 21, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd more or less agree with him ... (or at least what you're saying he's saying)
Assuming (as the basis for the discussion) that the South Bay (Fremont/SJ/whatever) is not viable and neither is being a third team in NYC Metro or LA Metro, I doubt that there is a market that is clearly better than Oakland …
Monterey’s metro area is under 4m (which is solid, but not great) and the population is significantly less wealthy. I’d doubt the TV rights would be worth much, either. The only real upside here is in marketing the team as a pan-Mexican team, trying to pick up the growing (in numbers and, especially, affluence) Chicano market across the Southwest … I’m not sure that it wouldn’t work, but I don’t think that WolffCo are the owners to do it. A team owned by someone like Arte Moreno would have a much better chance at pulling it off.
Montreal failed so spectacularly the first time around that, while it looks good on paper, it’s unlikely anyone will want to take that big of a risk anytime soon …
Portland is simply not big enough — it would be like moving to Kansas City … same with Austin, which is even smaller …
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by devo on Sep 22, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, everything you say is true in 2008. I'm just pretty sure
something’s going to change by 2018. I’m not sure what that is though. A business dissatisfied with its location won’t stay forever.
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by WaddellCanseco on Sep 22, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true ...
Oakland’s economy could pick up, a pro-baseball mayor could get elected and a couple of things could happen to cause an appropriate location to surface and voila!
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by devo on Sep 22, 2008 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well we're all hoping for that!
Except Selig and the other mlb owners that is.
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by WaddellCanseco on Sep 22, 2008 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Optimism abounds
Especially since the Coliseum Authority is only talking with the Raiders at this point. There’s as good a chance of a revamped football stadium at the Coliseum as a ballpark within the next decade. The cost differences between either type of project would be negligible, since the Raiders could use 1/3 of the current stadium, whereas the A’s couldn’t use any of it.
Both teams could leave around 2011. None of the parties (teams, Authority) want to be in the position to have a bidding/bargaining situation because it will factor into the development plan – which is the key to funding the concept. You may see the Coliseum as cheapest and hassle-free through a narrow scope, but it’s far more complicated than that.
by vertig0 on Sep 21, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wolff needs to toughen up
i’m tired off his frat brother loyalty to slug selig, is he scared to insult him? its the same chump that wanted to contract the A’s in 2001. challenge these territorial rights, find some compromise. the “bust” shouldnt be an option.
http://articles.latimes.com/2001/nov/03/sports/sp-65353
“Obviously, Magowan feels strongly about that,” Schott said during a state-of-the-team conversation with reporters at the A’s spring training site in Phoenix. “He came out just the other day with a statement. I don’t know if it was to diffuse the bigger problems he might have. I’m not sure what those all are, but he said that there’s territory rights and blah blah blah.”
Schott claims that the Giants are trying to have it both ways, since they originally got permission to move south, but ended up building their new ballpark right at the entrance to the Oakland Bay Bridge.
“I’m not a history buff by any means,” Schott said. "But I believe that when Charlie Finley moved the A’s out here, and the Giants were already here, there was no questions and no discussions about territorial rights. The only way the Giants ended up with territorial rights was because they were going to build a stadium down in San Jose.
“There was no question about whose territory it was. They had to get permission from the A’s. They didn’t pay for those territorial rights, by the way. Now, in the meantime, they built a stadium closer to Oakland than they were before. And now, if we talk about another stadium down in that area, they go berserk. It’s like my 4-year-old granddaughter says sometimes, ‘crybaby, crybaby.’ They like to cry a lot about it.”
The A’s can only dream of a setup like SBC Park. They are mired in a small-market morass that will only be solved by the increased revenue that would come from a new baseball-only ballpark. Schott indicated that he would like to keep the team in the East Bay, but he wouldn’t entirely rule out a legal battle over the territorial rights issue.
“If push comes to shove, I’m not exactly saying what we’ll do, but there will be a time when we’ll have to do something because we can’t exist in the situation we are at,” Schott said. “And I don’t intend to continue to exist how we are.”
It is unclear exactly what the owners might vote on–to eliminate the Expos and Twins immediately, to allow them to play another season in the hope of securing new owners and/or new ballparks, or to authorize Selig to implement contraction should he choose as part of this fall’s negotiations with the players’ union. The union insists it must approve any contraction plan, particularly with regard to dispersal of players and their contracts.
Other contraction possibilities include the Florida Marlins, Tampa Bay Devil Rays and Oakland Athletics. But the Expos and Twins perhaps work best because they have owners willing to sell and stadium leases with reasonable escape clauses.
by Asfan4ever723 on Sep 20, 2008 7:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When the A's moved to Oakland in 1968...
…the leagues were two very separate and distinct entities. Charlie Finley had to get approval only from the other AL owners. The NL wasn’t involved. That aspect has obviously changed since then.
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by UncleLeo on Sep 21, 2008 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
I guess we see now why Schott is no longer an MLB owner.
by jdr on Sep 21, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he was able to sell to Fisher at a massive profit after taking his tax breaks and operating cash flow?
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by WaddellCanseco on Sep 21, 2008 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Ratto
It's just something we do. It's not something we like. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2008 9:10 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ya, Wolff's statements seem really toothless.
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by WaddellCanseco on Sep 21, 2008 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I *really* don't understand Lew's public statements the last two years
I’m actually starting to suspect that Crywolffisher may be angling for a contraction buyout.
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by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2008 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too many legal/procedural hassles
The current CBA ends after the 2011 season, and that would be the first time any team could be contracted. By that time the valuation of the A’s will be will over $300 million. The same goes for another team that would also have to be contracted. Do you think that the owners are cool beans with going out of pocket $700 million to get rid of two franchises? Plus the realignment and league movement that would have to occur?
There’s a general rule that comes into play for professional sports leagues and local stadium issues: if the commissioner is not heavily involved, it’s not a crisis. Think about that for a minute. How much has Selig been involved in the Oakland-Fremont situation? Little if at all. Meanwhile he and Bob DuPuy have been highly visible in the Marlins’ situation. David Stern was deep into the Kings’ and Sonics’ situations. That’s not to say that a crisis won’t occur in the future, but it’s certainly not the case right now. After the election and the EIR – then we’ll see.
by vertig0 on Sep 21, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what's your take on Lew's public statements?
Simple rash/intemperate/hotheaded frustration?
It's just something we do. It's not something we like. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My take is that he's like every other rich guy:
When he’s not getting his way he gets petulant.
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by Nico on Sep 21, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My take is that all California real estate developers talk that way.
They’re professional beggars and whiners. They beg cities for permits, they beg banks and investors for financing, they beg inspectors for approvals, they beg subcontractors for terms, they beg tenants for business. It’s how they make their living.
In fact I had a visiting professor in business school who was a real estate developer, and he introduced himself as a professional beggar. I’ve not met any of his counterparts who don’t fit that description.
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by WaddellCanseco on Sep 21, 2008 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lewis is a Wolff in wolves clothing.
Here’s a guy who after a two season analysis thinks that attendance is “inelastic” – how idiotic is that? He compares his players to old and new carpets. He blames Billy Beane for not letting him spend proper money on the major league team. This prick couldn’t care less about Oakland, the Bay Area, or the fans. Stick to hotel management Lew, you’re in way over your head with this owning a big league franchise thing. You suck bad so just sell the team to someone who will keep the team in Oakland and run it right.
by jdub69 on Sep 21, 2008 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see why you think he doesn't care about Oakland, but why do you think he doesn't care
about the southern part of the SF Bay area?
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by WaddellCanseco on Sep 21, 2008 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
he doesn't "care" about the South Bay either
He cares about getting a ballpark and development package. I/we have all heard this a million times from sports owners or local businesses or whatever – they care so much, they and their team/business/factory love the city, etc., and all they want is for the city to return their love by giving them literally whatever they want. Curiously they fall out of love quickly as soon as they’re denied anything and then fall in love again with whatever other city gives it to them.
I don’t object to them seeking out the best deal, but I do object to couching all the rhetoric in terms of loyalty and love and so on. Nonsense. The A’s are tied to the Oakland Coliseum by a lease. They signed the lease because at the time it was their best/only available option. In 2011 if there’s a better option they will flee like Al Davis chasing a problem child DB who runs a 4.3 40. Wolff isn’t stupid. He knows that whoever gets the A’s into a new stadium is going to make a lot of money. Love will have nothing to do with it.
by jdr on Sep 21, 2008 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't the current lease on the Coliseum year-to year?
Forgive me if I’m wrong, but there really isn’t anything tying the team to Oakland right now except the possibility of a new venue in the area. The second that it becomes evident that Fremont/San Jose is impossible, the team will be moved (assuming the emergence of an MLB sanctioned city) or sold outright, as I don’t think Wolff is really all that interested in owning a baseball team, with Fisher brought into the mix as operating capital. At the time of purchase the A’s represented the most ideal nexus of (old venue) + (large metropolitan area) + (rising real estate values) + (revenue sharing/mlb subsidies) = ($$$ development opportunity $$$) in professional sports.
His wailings/threats as of late are really nothing out of the ordinary for any developer type – the process really isn’t taking that long when you consider the scale of the project in (relatively) small city like Fremont. EIR’s are more commonplace than Wolff would have you believe and are ultimately only a public record of due-diligence when a considering a heretofore unimagined land-use on a potentially sensitive site.They are literally, a hyper-detailed summary of the existing environmental (natural and historical/cultural) conditions and constraints of the project site for the proposed development type, and a recommended course of action for dealing with said constraints. Unless the process unveils an ancient Indian burial ground on site, or the area is found to be the last remaining vestage of habitat for (insert name of obscure insect/rodent here), most projects will eventually get through, provided they are properly funded.
The fact is that in most cities a.) with (or with aspirirations of attaining) a professional sports team and b.) anything resembling a redevelopment district (San Diego, San Francisco…) this possibility was imagined, and the process had already occured, in some form or another, long before the process actually bore fruit in the form of a stadium. A significant portion of the difficulties they are encountering are to be expected when choosing sites of this type – that is, on virgin land in what is essentially a glorifed suburb.
by elhefe on Sep 22, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oakland HAD a redevelopment district
Jack London. For various reasons that didn’t happen and now the land is being used and would cost too much anyway. re: 2011 and the lease, I don’t know exactly the terms, I just used 2011 b/c as noted above it’s the expiration of the current CBA, at which point everything the owners want comes back on the table.
I did some work briefly for Alameda County/the City of Oakland ~5 or so years ago and was told by people who know that a new stadium was never going to happen in Oakland as long as De La Fuente was running the show. He was flat-out against it for economic reasons … namely, that Oakland had far greater pressing financial issues than building a new stadium to benefit MLB and a few wealthy owners. Though I love the A’s and want them to stay in Oakland, I can’t say I disagree. I think what Waddell says somewhere in this thread is correct, that you have to look at it as more or less a consumption purchase and then choose how much you’re willing to spend accordingly. Most studies have shown that a ballpark results in a brief area-centric economic boom but that after 10 years or so you’re not seeing much benefit anymore.
I think the Schott/Wolff comparisons are pretty apt – Schott bought the A’s with the intention of reaping the benefits of a new stadium (and revenue sharing). Like Wolff, when the city told him it wasn’t going to write him a $300m check he seemed to be personally insulted – they were supposed to give him what he wanted. He got rid of the team pretty quickly after that. Wolff, like most successful people, thinks he can succeed where others failed and bought the team with a lot of enthusiasm and rah-rah spirit. Now it’s been only two years and he’s already stomping around. Look, it’s California in a bedroom-community city with a lot of economic issues, a depressed macroeconomic climate, and a lot of history on the subject. If it could have been done easily before someone else would have. It’s going to take time and still might be completely unsuccessful.
by jdr on Sep 22, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack London had too many issues ...
the Uptown development area was the much better option … though it’s not really here nor there …
I have it on pretty good authority that it was the Mayor/Attorney General/Governor/Future Governor? that really killed any possibility of a stadium happening.
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by devo on Sep 22, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown wasn't big on the idea either
He was big on economic development but thought a new stadium was a bad investment too. Either way, if the mayor or head of the City Council gives it a thumbs down it’s a real tough road.
by jdr on Sep 22, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some corrections:
- Jack London has never been in a redevelopment area. Nor would it ever likely be, because it doesn’t meet the blighted/economically moribund test.
- Oakland does have many redevlopment districts, including West Oakland, Army Base, and the biggest one, in the middle of the City, called…(wait for it)…the Coliseum Redevelopment District. There’s also Central City, Broadway-MacArthur-San Pablo, and a few others. I think there are 10 altogether.
- Whoever told you that about De La Fuente is almost comically wrong. DLF is hands-down the most pro-stadium part of the Oakland political structure. Seriously, I can’t imagine anyone who knows the slightest thing about Oakland, Ignacio, or sports teams saying what you’ve described. Now, that may not change the fact that the rest of Oakland’s political structure feels that way, but definitely not De La Fuente.
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by FreeSeatUpgrade on Sep 22, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's interesting
B/c I was definitely told 5 years ago that he was against it. I seem to recall him publicly saying such at the time as well. Maybe things have changed or my source was wrong.
by jdr on Sep 22, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and re: Jack London
I don’t mean literally a “redevelopment zone”, but a zone they were trying to develop that was amenable to the A’s as well. There was a great deal of hand-wringing in the 80s/90s about how nothing was happening there. It wasn’t blighted but there wasn’t much there there. Then things changed and the at-the-time owners wanted to piggy back on it. By that time the cat was largely out of the bag.
What happened with uptown? I don’t recall what killed that.
by jdr on Sep 22, 2008 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
De La Fuente comment
I mentioned what De La Fuente thought back in 2006 when I met him.
by NotJohnnyDamon on Sep 22, 2008 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fremont is glorified?
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on Sep 22, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ie. not a 'real' city
It’s political structure and development patterns are more akin to those of a suburb (or “bedroom community” as jdr more sensitively called it), and it’s concerns share more in common with those of suburbs (traffic, density = bad) than an emerging/re-emerging urban area. It also lacks a focused downtown area or any serious blight/easily displaced populations that could earn the A’s any serious “renewal” kudos.
Of course, Oakland has all these things many times over, but due to a lack of political will, more pressing priorities, Jerry Brown’s cronyism, and previous bum deals (Raiders, Warriors coliseum renovations), it was never a realistic option to anyone hoping to turn a quick buck on the sale of condominiums (Wolff), so I didn’t mention it.
by elhefe on Sep 22, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No ... I got it ...
see, I was being facetious … I was kind of making a pun using alternate interpretations of what glorified might mean …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on Sep 22, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
right, I get it...
but felt some obligation to qualify my rhetoric a bit.
But I’m sure there are some out there that think Fremont is just lovely… :)
by elhefe on Sep 22, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not the people I've known from Fremont ...
but that’s just my limited experience …
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on Sep 22, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think in everything he does he only sees numbers.
He sees a big population in San Jose and he thinks he can siphon some of those fans to A’s games but he doesn’t care about them. He’ll have a new excuse when that doesn’t happen.
by jdub69 on Sep 21, 2008 10:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well sure. Business people are supposed to care primarily about numbers. It's our ethos!
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Sep 21, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Environmental Impact Report
I went to the game today and I spoke to a fellow fan in my section. He went to the “Home Run for Education” fair at Kennedy High School in Fremont, sponsored by the Fremont Chamber of Commerce yesterday (Saturday, 9/21). Wolff and Rickey Henderson were there. Anyhow, he told me that Wolff said at this event that the EIR has essentially already passed and that it is going to be released ahead of schedule.
I don’t know how much I can believe a random fan but this is the only new news that I have heard about the state of the EIR. I also don’t know how much we can trust what Wolff says. Did anybody else attend this event?
by uci anteater on Sep 21, 2008 6:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jesus. The EIR is going to be released before Emil Brown is.
It's just something we do. It's not something we like. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Sep 21, 2008 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What doesn't make sense to me
is that Mike Sweeny was released before Emil Brown.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Sep 21, 2008 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently it was at his request
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Sep 21, 2008 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny
Lost in all the “will they, wont they move” topics, is that Wolff announced that they would announce their new TV contract in a few months.
You have to wonder if this is the CSN West deal that’s been rumored for the last few weeks? Could the A’s finally get 160 games a year on a CSN channel 41, or is it maybe just a move from 36 to it’s sister station Channel 2?
If Wolff really did manage to get the A’s away from the CSN GA (Giants All-the-time) and get 160 games a year shown, then he deserves a hell of a lot more gratitude then he’s been shown lately.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Sep 21, 2008 9:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, showing 162 games (why 160? Fox?) on TV with #1 priority is an awesome step.
I still think they’re biding their time till they can move to San Jose.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Sep 21, 2008 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
160 games
Because even the Giants don’t get all 162 games a year show on TV. Most teams have one or two not aired for various reasons.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Sep 21, 2008 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the Giants get or don't get shouldn't matter.
In any case it’s a massive improvement. Now to expand CSN West availability throughout the mlb blackout area!
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Sep 22, 2008 3:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yipes! If we get 160 games...
I hope they recruit a decent announcer to replace Glen “Folks” Kuiper. I didn’t mind him much at first because he was a whole lot better than Hank “mumblefratz” Greenberg. The last two years though he seems to be getting progressively worse.
This year it doesn’t even seem like he is at the game, more often than not. If he is talking, he’ll be parroting stats that were just displayed on the screen, or talking over his shoulder about nothing at all. “Hey, the mike is over there!” And he… has… the, uhhhh… worst delivery of… non-scripted material…
evar.
by NotJohnnyDamon on Sep 22, 2008 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good announcers are so hard to find these days.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Sep 22, 2008 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the Fremont deal gets done.
It would suck bigtime to lose the A’s from Norcal. As for the TV deal …if it happens it’s about time!
by IM4Oakgal on Sep 21, 2008 11:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don't want the team to move...
but there is a part of me that holds out hope for Wolff’s grand scheme to collapse resulting in a sale of the team to the Zimmer/Jackson led group that actually outbid Wolffisher the last time around. Oakland actually has a hole hell of a lot going for it, but it would take a group that is commited to the city and interested in owning the team for the long haul to make it happen. Oh, and hopefully Bud doesn’t have anymore developer-fraternity brothers in waiting…

by elhefe on Sep 22, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know where you stand in a hell hole!
Typo of the month:
Oakland actually has a hole hell of a lot going for it
It's just something we do. It's not something we like. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2008 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
About the Dolich/Zimmer/Jackson/Piccinini group
Reggie had no qualms about lifting the team from Oakland and transplanting it to Vegas. Had the ownership group experienced little success in pushing for a new Oakland ballpark (which was highly likely given the political climate), we may have seen the Mayflower trucks around here years ago. As much as Dolich supports keeping the team in Oakland from a geographical standpoint, he presided over one professional franchise’s move already – the Vancouver-to-Memphis Grizzlies. He quit that job last year and now works for the 49ers, who – surprise! – are trying to move to Santa Clara for many of the same reasons the A’s want to move to Fremont.
Also, the Dolich group bid in 1999. The Wolff/Fisher sale occurred in 2005.
Why is this important? There is a tendency to project onto the ownership group or potential bidders hopes that, given the on-the-ground situation, aren’t realistic. Owners in the current era, more than ever, are all about the deal. Not the community.
by vertig0 on Sep 22, 2008 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The short term nature of ownership is definitely not a good thing in my view.
The tax breaks have to go.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Sep 22, 2008 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's need to change coasts....
Just kidding….as much as I’d love to have the A’s in my backyard (the Raleigh-Durham area is prime for MLB), I know in my heart the A’s belong in Oakland. The ridiculous city government of Oaktown needs to realize that they have a gem they shouldn’t lose. However, if he insists on moving, we would certainly welcome him on the East Coast -and we don’t care about the environment here, so no EIR’s!
The greenmachine
by greenmachine on Sep 22, 2008 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Your area is probably the best unoccupied market in the country ...
It’s not necessarily a good market — but it’s better than Portland, Sacramento, Vegas, San Antonio or any of the other oft-mentioned alternatives.
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on Sep 22, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
they could re-name the team with one of those abstract concept nouns
The Research Triangle Pipeline (works well for Beane’s perpetual-prospect roster).
And, of course, the stadium could be called Research Triangle Park.
It's just something we do. It's not something we like. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m eyeballing those lots in the southeast corner …
It is in the heart of the Raleigh-Cary and Durham Metropolitan areas.
Within a 4-mile radius of the formal boundaries of RTP, there are approximately 41,000 housing units and 13 million square feet of built space for commercial operations.
RTP is also in easy access to RDU international airport and the region’s retail and tourist amenities.
It's just something we do. It's not something we like. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Sep 22, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Raleigh-Durham rather than Charlotte?
Charlotte’s economy is a lot bigger.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Sep 22, 2008 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charlotte is economically maxed out
They have NFL and NBA franchises, plus Lowe’s Motor Speedway. The area’s entertainment dollars have been effectively swallowed up by those three options. The Charlotte Knights (AAA) play in Fort Mill, SC, and attendance has suffered.
by vertig0 on Sep 23, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
City of Oakland goverment wouldn't know a ______ if it ______...
meh. You get the idea. Fill in blanks.
by NotJohnnyDamon on Sep 22, 2008 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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