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Open Thread: Game 152 - A's vs. Angels

Los Angeles Angels @ Oakland Athletics


After last night's awesome, very satisfying come-back win (well, all except the part where our Ziggy got hit by Teixeira; who is no longer a favorite of mine), the A's look to sweep (yes, I said SWEEP!) the Angels, and take the season series, if you can believe it.

Shoddy defense by the Angels helped ice the game in bottom of the ninth last night for the A's, and while I understand being done with the season, I was still shocked at the poor play shown from a team headed to the playoffs, especially from Anderson. I hope it continues.

Josh Outman will get another start this afternoon, following his very nice starting debut against Texas last week, where he went five innings and got the win. The A's will be facing Joe Saunders, one of the few pitchers that they were able to hit in the terrible month of August.

September is a whole new month for the green and gold, as the A's have won seven out of ten games, and look for their fifth straight in today's contest. They certainly have been more fun to watch, and there are promising signs for next season and beyond.


W-LERAWHIPKBB
2008 - Josh Outman 1-0 3.86 1.32 6 2


W-LERAWHIPKBB
2008 - Joe Saunders 15-7 3.65 1.24 90 50




LET'S GO OAK-LAND!

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Ahhh!

No Ryan, no Travis, no Dale?! Oh well, it’s not on TV anyway. They can all be BFFs on the bench today.

by whiteshoes40 on Sep 18, 2008 12:02 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Add "No Jennifer" to that.

Boo.

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Sep 18, 2008 12:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Baseball

it’s a good thing

"The Athletics at Fremont" is really bad

by ArakSOT on Sep 18, 2008 12:11 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Harden right now has given up no hits, 1 R, and has 80+ pitches

maybe Gallagher and him was more even than any of us imagined

"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse

by kbtoyz on Sep 18, 2008 12:24 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

in only 4 innings

"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse

by kbtoyz on Sep 18, 2008 12:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Its on Tv here

but I have to here Hudler kiss the Angels players sacks for 3 hours.

by asfaninpismobeach on Sep 18, 2008 12:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Will someone please explain

why the f*%k Emil Brown is in the line up?

God blessit!!!!!

by mrod on Sep 18, 2008 12:36 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The line up makes me laugh

by justarebelheart on Sep 18, 2008 12:37 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good lord.

World class lineup right there. Chance to sweep the Angels and we’re putting our C lineup out there.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Sep 18, 2008 12:38 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They want to save the ‘good’ line up for the Mariners, duh

by justarebelheart on Sep 18, 2008 12:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No Joke man

Very little chance of winning this one

by asfaninpismobeach on Sep 18, 2008 12:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To be fair

The Angels are playing their B lineup

"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse

by kbtoyz on Sep 18, 2008 12:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dude

I get everything set up, figure out a way to get the radio working in the office to listen to the game, and for some reason it isn’t on here.

Even a bad lineup is better than no baseball.

"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty

by 5Aces on Sep 18, 2008 12:42 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you can get out of work

I think there might be some open seats at the game…

"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse

by kbtoyz on Sep 18, 2008 12:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I could have left 2.5 hrs ago

That might have worked.

"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty

by 5Aces on Sep 18, 2008 12:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it just my browser...

or am I reading a 1.24 W-L record for Joe Saunders? :)

by VORP is too nerdy on Sep 18, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

UGH.

Hudler two days in a row. And he has a pen out.

by VORP is too nerdy on Sep 18, 2008 12:44 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Warmup the bullpen

Outman looks pretty shaky today.

by asfaninpismobeach on Sep 18, 2008 12:45 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Harden's line in CHI today:

5 IN, 1 R, 1 H, 6 BB, 7 Ks…115 pitches…holy cow

"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse

by kbtoyz on Sep 18, 2008 12:47 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe

they got pissed off with my fanpost accusing them of hiding an injury, so they’re going to have Harden throw his arm out in a totally meaningless game.

by VORP is too nerdy on Sep 18, 2008 12:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was a weird one

As for the walks – word is, he was nibbling (not being wild) and the umps were squeezing him. Gameday showed that to generally be the case. He was hitting 94/95/96 at times, which is a little reassuring, and didn’t sit in the 80’s as much as he did in his last outing. It seems like he’s gone back to throwing his slider a good amount, though, and that’s worrying as I thought he said he’d scrapped that pitch awhile ago because it puts too much strain on his arm.

Leaving him in for 115 pitches was retarded. I wanted to go see him pitch @ NYM next week but chances are his arm is no longer attached to his body.

by schmifty on Sep 18, 2008 1:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NIce job by Outman there

Finally got that curve over a few times. Took a few pitches to get a feel for it

by asfaninpismobeach on Sep 18, 2008 12:49 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The more I look at Cunningham

the more he reminds me of Aaron Rowand without the penguin stance. Not that there’s anything wrong with penguins…….

by mrod on Sep 18, 2008 12:53 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IS it just me..

or is saunders trying to steal lackey’s haircut?

"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse

by kbtoyz on Sep 18, 2008 12:53 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which is smart

Your will slowly but surely turn into a douche if you stare long enough

"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse

by kbtoyz on Sep 18, 2008 12:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

:-O

Scary.

"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL

by oblique on Sep 18, 2008 12:53 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

He’s actually the same man turned around………kinda like Two Face in Batman.

by mrod on Sep 18, 2008 12:54 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gameday died.

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Sep 18, 2008 12:55 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not unlike the rally.

"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL

by oblique on Sep 18, 2008 12:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I needed a Spoiler Alert.

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Sep 18, 2008 12:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that is the start of a trend

a k is now offically him showing the hitter his “o-face”

"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty

by 5Aces on Sep 18, 2008 1:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

O O O

"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty

by 5Aces on Sep 18, 2008 1:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just getting back from lunch

ANy messages?

Looking back, I realize that my life has been a series of incidents where one person has said to another, "Get this asshole outta here!"

by 67MARQUEZ on Sep 18, 2008 1:17 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Totally off the subject but

I’m craving In N Out Burger right now……a double with the works. Yes!

by mrod on Sep 18, 2008 1:17 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm full

and that STILL sounds good

Looking back, I realize that my life has been a series of incidents where one person has said to another, "Get this asshole outta here!"

by 67MARQUEZ on Sep 18, 2008 1:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We in the Midwest don't have that chain

But we do get White Castle, so neener neener

by thejd44 on Sep 18, 2008 1:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Offhand...

I’d say that’s to our detriment.

by VORP is too nerdy on Sep 18, 2008 1:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't say White Castle is a $50 steak. That's a reach...

(Yes, I know what you’re saying, but White Castle is quite possibly the best proof of a higher power ever ever)

by thejd44 on Sep 18, 2008 1:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love White Castle

And I love In’N’Out. However, In’N’Out burgers are actual burgers, composed of meat, whereas sliders are…..whatever they are; rats with hats, but delicious.

Don't blame me, I voted for Bill King.

by Englishmajor on Sep 18, 2008 1:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I went to White Castle once

and I will not be making that mistake again.

Our food was way too gross to eat, and then we had to throw all the uneaten food out of the car because the smell of it was making us sick.

by schmifty on Sep 18, 2008 1:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude.

Sonic.

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Sep 18, 2008 1:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We get commercials for Sonic all the time.

In the Bay, in SD, I keep seeing those commercials, but I’ve never actually seen one. I think the closest one is in Stockton or something, and in SD, the closest one is in Anaheim.

Looks damned good, though.

by danmerqury on Sep 18, 2008 1:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just like the drinks and ICE!

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Sep 18, 2008 1:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm pooooor. Just paid the ol' MasterCard bill.

I had instant oatmeal for lunch. :(

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Sep 18, 2008 1:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Arggh I dislike confrence call meetings…

by justarebelheart on Sep 18, 2008 1:21 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's why Manny

brings his cellphone out to the field.

by VORP is too nerdy on Sep 18, 2008 1:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does he talk about marketing budgets too?

by justarebelheart on Sep 18, 2008 1:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well at least he can multi-task

by justarebelheart on Sep 18, 2008 1:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the words ‘attempt to’ got lost in between can and multi-task

by justarebelheart on Sep 18, 2008 1:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You might be right though.

He was somehow able to listen to his I-pod whilst fielding and remained an equally bad fielder.

by VORP is too nerdy on Sep 18, 2008 1:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cliffy's wearing high socks today!

You can see him for about two seconds on the clip of Matthew’s catch on gameday. He would choose a non-TV day…

by whiteshoes40 on Sep 18, 2008 1:25 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huh. I forgot Baisley existed.

Well, congrats on his first hit, anyway!

by whiteshoes40 on Sep 18, 2008 1:27 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m going to go hide under my desk, tell me when it’s over

by justarebelheart on Sep 18, 2008 1:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is an A

in Pathetic.

I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production

by Trainman on Sep 18, 2008 1:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was quick. Do I even want to know what happened?

by justarebelheart on Sep 18, 2008 1:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Emil Brown

Wow, that was the worse slide in Major League history, Willie Mays Hays slid better than you just did. Emil just showed how little heart he has.

by pbra17 on Sep 18, 2008 1:48 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What happened?

Vince said something about it being 5 feet short. Was it really that bad?

by danmerqury on Sep 18, 2008 1:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh god.

Out of curiosity, is there any reason we can’t DFA him now? We don’t really need 50 outfielders. We could use his roster space.

by danmerqury on Sep 18, 2008 1:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes it ws that bad

he slid way in front of the plate, looked like he wanted zero contact

by asfaninpismobeach on Sep 18, 2008 1:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He slid

In front of the dirt cutout, lol that was so bad, he should be benched right now but we all know Geren has no pulse either so he wont do anything. Truly amazing how much of a douche Emil Brown is.

by pbra17 on Sep 18, 2008 1:51 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No way in hell he should still be in this game.

That was truly pathetic to watch. Why bother?

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Sep 18, 2008 1:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pathetic inning there

Now that looked like the A’s we are use to

by asfaninpismobeach on Sep 18, 2008 1:49 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What the fuck did Emil do there?

Maybe the softest slide in the history of organized sports.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Sep 18, 2008 1:49 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, I see the A's had YABLNOC.

A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular.

by IowaA'sFan on Sep 18, 2008 1:52 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yet Another Bases-Loaded-No-Out Clusterfuck.

A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular.

by IowaA'sFan on Sep 18, 2008 1:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm

I always though that last word should be done as two words. Could be wrong.

by MobiusKlein on Sep 18, 2008 1:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But then it's not pronounceable.

I like to say “yabble-knock”

A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular.

by IowaA'sFan on Sep 18, 2008 1:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHAH

Clusterfuck as a word is not used enough in my opinion

by asfaninpismobeach on Sep 18, 2008 1:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Outman has lost his focus..

still trying to figure out what the hell just happened in the last inning.

by PortlandPachyderm on Sep 18, 2008 1:54 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Id rather see Outman

In the rotation next year than Braden, I think Beane has made another steal by getting Outman.

by pbra17 on Sep 18, 2008 1:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What Outman needs to realize

is if he wants to make it as an A’s starter, he’s going to have to figure out how to manufacture his own runs.

by PortlandPachyderm on Sep 18, 2008 1:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah.

Like Greg Smith. He does it so well.

A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular.

by IowaA'sFan on Sep 18, 2008 2:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eeesh.

Outman out, not-Jairo in. This should be interesting.

by whiteshoes40 on Sep 18, 2008 1:57 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha

You could hear Ken say, “How much time?” during the last few seconds of the commercial… then a little chuckle. Heh.

by whiteshoes40 on Sep 18, 2008 1:58 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was awesome...

Feel free to just watch the game Jairo

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Sep 18, 2008 2:05 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

After a couple of good games against LAAA

it appears that the A’s have turned their attention to getting themselves tuned up for the Mariners series this weekend.

by Soaker on Sep 18, 2008 2:06 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You'd think that the young A's

would have been ready for that play since they more recently played Little League.

by A'sian on Sep 18, 2008 2:07 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Soto just hit a 3 run homer to tie with 2 outs in the 9th

Phillies and Mets fans love Geo…

"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse

by kbtoyz on Sep 18, 2008 2:10 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow...

I really should’ve learned by now that the Cubs are a team that actually comes back and wins games once in a while. I quit on that game an hour ago.

by schmifty on Sep 18, 2008 2:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Noooooooooooo, Cunningham can't bunt.

He’s not gritty enough to be a gamer. :-(

by OldhamA on Sep 18, 2008 2:14 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK, since this is the last time we face LAAAA this year

I say it’s time to start plunkin’ and brawlin’.
Let’s see what our kids are really made of.
(Besides, the game has become too boring).

by PortlandPachyderm on Sep 18, 2008 2:21 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ry Bear with an axe...

Dale with a machete.

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Sep 18, 2008 2:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay, I can picture Vampire Dale doing some damage,

but Ryan is entirely too cuddly to be brutal. He’d just run after Dale, saying, “Can’t we all just get along?”

But then again, if someone tried to hurt Daric… it’d be on like Donkey Kong.

by whiteshoes40 on Sep 18, 2008 2:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Come on. He's a beast!

Ryan would be shirtless, wearing some war paint and a bandanna…. the blood of his mortal enemy splattered across his chest.

But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.

by Jennifer on Sep 18, 2008 2:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That visual is quite entertaining…

by justarebelheart on Sep 18, 2008 2:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmm. When did Gio pitch in relief?

Was that against the Rangers? I must’ve missed it.

by whiteshoes40 on Sep 18, 2008 2:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why bother getting DFA out when batting

He’ll get out on the basepaths. Walk him

by MobiusKlein on Sep 18, 2008 2:35 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay, Foulke!

That’s enough! No need to go overboard.

by danmerqury on Sep 18, 2008 2:38 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why

Why even bother pitching Embree and Foulke. Why even bother playing Crosby and DFA.

Foulke is a Joulke.

by Colorado Fan on Sep 18, 2008 2:39 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huh.

Yeah, that was unnecessary.

by whiteshoes40 on Sep 18, 2008 2:40 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This guy has looked like shit all year...

Bout time he gets housed.

That pitch to Wood was high school level.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Sep 18, 2008 2:40 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did the Angles just win the World Series?

Thats what these gay ass announcers sound like.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Sep 18, 2008 2:40 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When it comes to the Angles I could care less about class.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Sep 18, 2008 2:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

People are offended because they allow themselfs to be,

Yeah I didnt use the best choice of word but its pretty obvious I did not hate mongering.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Sep 18, 2008 2:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wasnt offended personally, I couldn't care less

Doesnt mean I still think it was a classless comment.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Sep 18, 2008 2:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh no. I walked in PC central!

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Sep 18, 2008 2:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's a difference between being PC

and normal civilized behavior. Your original comment merits a CGV, but a quick apology would probably prevent it.

Don't blame me, I voted for Bill King.

by Englishmajor on Sep 18, 2008 2:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I apologize.

But people are too touchy now a days. Either way I apologize.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Sep 18, 2008 2:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks!

You didn’t offend me — hell, I come from the family that uses clusterfuck as a noun and a verb — but AN aspires to be an inclusive community where everyone* feels welcome, and comments like that don’t help.
*except Angels fans

Don't blame me, I voted for Bill King.

by Englishmajor on Sep 18, 2008 2:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't help but disagree with that.

But, then, I also can’t help but disagree with the complete and total pussification of America that’s been happening for the last 20 years or so :(

by mikev on Sep 18, 2008 2:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats offensive... haha

maybe its due to this crappy line-up we trotted out there.

by buddahead9 on Sep 18, 2008 2:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

His career is over.

I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production

by Trainman on Sep 18, 2008 2:41 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No K-Rod

We had our fun last night.

I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production

by Trainman on Sep 18, 2008 2:42 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Vince: "The one day game in the American League

saw the Royals pound Kansas City…" Yes, the Royals are so bad they can beat themselves. (Although I think they have won several in a row… so they’re not as bad as the team they actually pounded, which would be the M’s.)

by whiteshoes40 on Sep 18, 2008 2:46 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So we've had baserunner(s) in every inning so far except the 2nd

is that right?

It don’t mean a thing, if we ain’t got that swing… LOB, LOB, LOB, LOB, LOB

by PortlandPachyderm on Sep 18, 2008 2:59 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok

I have seen enough. Have a great day all. Have fun its ladies night. Bye

by asfaninpismobeach on Sep 18, 2008 3:02 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs