An Edgar Allan Poepourri Of Items
I have several extremely important points to make today, but I'm going to make these ones instead:
Is hitting contagious?
I have a theory about this and it dates back to my middle school basketball coaching days, and one of our 8th grade students who came to the games to root on his classmates. Our team that year was not a great shooting team, which is to say that the hoop always seemed awfully high and generally appeared to have a diameter slightly less than a basketball has. What I'm trying to say is that we missed a lot, and when the team had missed five or six shots in a row this 8th grade voice, presumably trying to be helpful, would call out, "In the hoop!"
I suspect that the way hitting a baseball works is that once a batter lines a clean single to left, his teammates look at one another with great wonder and exchange insights:
"Hit the ball!"
"Hit it hard!"
"Of course!"
"Someone make sure to tell Bobby!"
Again, it's just a theory.
Should Carlos Gonzalez be more patient at the plate?
I thought I'd mix things up and make a serious point. I'm not sold that the A's should put much emphasis on getting Gonzalez to be more patient at the plate. Gonzalez is extraordinarily gifted, has a swing that could soon produce average, slugging, HRs, and RBIs, and yet even at his most successful he has never been a very patient hitter.
I'm not sure that trying to change him is as wise a strategy as just trying to harness, and maximize, his existing strengths. I would sooner see the A's surround Gonzalez with high OBP guys than ask him to change his skill set, and I would much rather see the A's focus on his approach against LHP, which I do think needs adjustment and growth.
It's always a bit scary when a player you plan to depend on offensively does not look like he will have even an above average OBP, though it's also worth noting that if Gonzalez hits enough balls hard and far - and when he hits a ball hard, he really hits it hard - he'll get pitched a lot more carefully and he may naturally walk more than he does now. But to try to take such a talented and promising hitter and try to force him to become a type of hitter he isn't naturally? Well, I could probably make an analogy about "putting lipstick on a pig," but I'm not going there. Sorry.
In summary, if the A's leave Gonzalez alone in regards to OBP, and focus instead on helping him stay back and use the whole field against LHP, I think he can develop to be a hitter like this, maybe minus 20 points of batting average but same OBP:
.294/.325/.455 (.780 OPS), 15 HR, 79 RBI
.303/.336/.469 (.806 OPS), 21 HR, 80 RBI
.286/.307/.519 (.827 OPS), 35 HR, 117 RBI
.289/.314/.478 (.792 OPS), 28 HR, 123 RBI
.306/.332/.539 (.871 OPS), 29 HR, 123 RBI
.315/.345/.541 (.885 OPS), 29 HR, 116 RBI
Those are Garret Anderson's stats from 1998-2003, and while a Beltran comp is a nice fantasy I think Anderson is actually the best comparison for what Gonzalez could look like as an accomplished hitter. And I'll take those numbers every day of the week from my plus CFer.
Lincecum's Most Impressive Stat Of All
Though Webb and Sabathia will get consideration, to me the Cy Young award winner in the NL unquestionably has to be Tim Lincecum. If he makes two more starts, Lincecum will finish the season with 17-19 wins. His ERA is currently 2.43, and he leads the league with 237 strikeouts. Yet these are not the stats that awe me the most. After his 30th start (Saturday), the Giants were 66-81 and were running neck and neck with San Diego for last in the league in runs scored. And yet Tim Lincecum has only 3 losses. That's unbelievable.
A's-Angels
Pressure's on - rumor has it that if the A's don't win tonight, heads are going to roll. Well actually just Stomper's, but still...See you at 7:00pm.
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When Cust homered on Saturday, I sat there thinking how I always felt sorry for the next batter because the expectations (at least from the crowd’s standpoint) had to be pretty high. Then my niece Steph turned to me and said, “I would hate to be the next batter.”
People often mistake Steph and I for a couple.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Sep 16, 2008 7:21 AM PDT 0 recs
Morning Nico,
In regards to Gonzalez, I agree that the emphasis shouldn’t be to “draw walks”. But I don’t think the A’s were necessarily stressing that to him so much anyway. As you know, plate discipline is more than just always trying to work deep into counts. Gonzalez just needs to work on pitch recognition, and learn to pounce on balls that he can handle well. I don’t think that he’ll ever really draw a ton of walks, either. I’d settle for G. Anderson type numbers with plus D, too. I’m a big believer in Cargon, and think the power numbers will come; all the doubles this year sure look like a strong indicator of that. I just hope it’s soon, as I can see him as a bit of a late bloomer in that department, which might put his very best seasons in a uniform other than the Green & Gold. If the A’s management does see him turn a corner in the power department, I think they should try and lock him up long term. He’s a good bet for a long peak, and he’s mostly been able to stay healthy while with the team (no mean feat for us).
I hate the Giants, but Lincecum is a joy to watch pitch. The fact that they left him out there for 138 pitches just so he could get a shutout in a meaningless game is insane. I don’t care if think pitch counts are overblown or not, that was just gross incompetence.
"Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it."
-Thomas Jefferson
by thinwhiteduke on Sep 16, 2008 7:24 AM PDT 0 recs
Yes
Plate discipline is not “taking walks.” Taking walks is a consequence of having plate discipline, which in itself is “swinging at pitches you can hit and not at pitches you can’t hit.” Generally speaking, guys with plate discipline are better hitters than ones without it, not because they walk a lot but because they don’t make a ton of stupid outs on poorly struck balls.
Walks are a good leading indicator of plate discipline, but they aren’t exactly the same thing. Sometimes walking less (as Kevin Youkilis has done this year) is part of
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
Sep 16, 2008 9:43 AM PDT
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Er, didn't finish that
is part of plate discipline because you’re swinging at a larger percentage of easily hittable pitches.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
Sep 16, 2008 9:43 AM PDT
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"easily hittable pitches"
In the major leagues, out of say 150 pitches (as a guesstimate average of total pitches per game) thrown by any given team’s pitcher(s), how many would you say are “easily hittable pitches”?
Ten? Five? Twenty-two?
Runs Please. A lot of them. The rest of the season. Thank you.
by One won lost won on
Sep 16, 2008 1:28 PM PDT
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No idea
Depends on the hitter and the pitcher. Part of what makes a pitch easily hittable is that it’s in the area of the strike zone where you are expecting it to be thrown.
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by PaulThomas on
Sep 16, 2008 3:49 PM PDT
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If you have no criteria
about defining “easily hittable pitches”, then your definition of plate discipline is approaching tautology status. IMO.
Runs Please. A lot of them. The rest of the season. Thank you.
by One won lost won on
Sep 16, 2008 10:08 PM PDT
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Saying your criteria vary with every pitch isn't the same as saying they don't exist
A fastball up and in when you are expecting one there may be easily hittable; a pitch in the same location when you are guessing away probably won’t be.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
Sep 16, 2008 10:58 PM PDT
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Stomper's head...
In a lost season like this one, I think it would be worth one loss to see Stomper’s head rolling down the aisle in section 118 with a pack of kids running after it, trying to kick it…
"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams
by Gaijin_Suketto on Sep 16, 2008 8:15 AM PDT 0 recs
Stomper's head rolled last Friday.
For the several of us who may have been in attendance and still awake, he went out down the 3B line to much fanfare, most of it not involving actual fans, to do his break dance schtick with the kid who does tumbling. In this case, the only thing that tumbled was Stomper’s head, causing several a pre-adolescents to throw-up and/or begin to doubt the existence of Santa (Yes, Virginia…). He then beat as hasty a retreat as his little pachydermal feet could muster.
I don’t know whether there are multiple costumes, but the one I saw up-close earlier in the year was generally in great need of interment in the Elephant’s Graveyard — and that was just from the outside. I can only imagine the experience within.
As much as I’d love to see Adam Dunn at the Collie-seum next season, we need to see to Stomper first.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on
Sep 16, 2008 11:27 AM PDT
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Stomperlent Green is people!
cocky whacko @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Sep 16, 2008 11:31 AM PDT
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Don't give Lew any cost-cutting ideas
or they’ll be selling Bradenwurst, Foulkefurters, and Casillabasa at the Saag’s stand next year.
Overqualified to be an A's fan.
by andeux on
Sep 16, 2008 11:42 AM PDT
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More Lewpourri: Saalooskraut, hot Cross byuns, Sweeners?
Custard?? Susushi???
Somebody, Stop me! 
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on
Sep 16, 2008 12:40 PM PDT
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Blueberry Buckle and Petit fours for dessert
Hannahanburgers, Bowen marrow on toast points, Barton-BQ, Cunningham and eggs
cocky whacko @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Sep 16, 2008 3:49 PM PDT
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Quothe the DogMa: "Beane dip."
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on
Sep 16, 2008 4:05 PM PDT
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And black forst cake, too.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on
Sep 16, 2008 4:13 PM PDT
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Milton Bradley would love those
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on
Sep 16, 2008 4:32 PM PDT
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Okay, 67M, howsabout Nachos Dave Delgrande?
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on
Sep 16, 2008 5:44 PM PDT
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It's gotta be Nation's
Overqualified to be an A's fan.
by andeux on
Sep 16, 2008 6:13 PM PDT
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He hit 23 in 06; has plenty of power, I don't see why not
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by mikeA on
Sep 16, 2008 8:50 AM PDT
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I agree on the approach thing
As long as a player doesn’t have a really terrible approach, it’s probably better to just hone what he’s already doing.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Sep 16, 2008 8:54 AM PDT 0 recs
I agree with you on Carlos
If Cliff Lee is the front-runner for the Cy Young in the AL, even though he’s on a non-contending team, Lincecum should be the front-runner in the NL. He has been absolutely dominating this season.
I’ll be at the game tonight — Let’s Go Oakland
by OaklandSi on Sep 16, 2008 9:01 AM PDT 0 recs
I don't care if Gonzalez walks a lot if he puts up the Soriano-esque numbers I see
(I’m not making the Anderson comparison because I think he’s the most overrated player/hitter of the past 15 years. .273 EQA for a corner OF? Yeah, how very average). What I do want is for Gonzalez to stop swinging at awful, awful pitches. He’ll walk more once he learns that pitches that bounce are not good ones to swing at.
For what it’s worth, many past A’s players have said the team doesn’t try to totally change your approach. They work with what’s there. There’s some weird misconception that the A’s try to turn everybody into a TTO guy.
by thejd44 on Sep 16, 2008 9:22 AM PDT 0 recs
I'm guessing that the principle of
“swing at good pitches, don’t swing at bad pitches” is a pretty universal tenet on which most teams and most fans can agree.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Sep 16, 2008 10:40 AM PDT
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Right, the problem is people have the perception that Oakland has turned that into "try and draw a walk"
Which is, frankly, incorrect.
by mikev on
Sep 16, 2008 10:56 AM PDT
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Exactly
I’m pretty sure that if every A’s hitter could hit .350, Beane wouldn’t mind if nobody ever drew a walk.
by thejd44 on
Sep 16, 2008 11:06 AM PDT
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So the problem is that they acquire hitters without a lot "there"?
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on
Sep 16, 2008 3:25 PM PDT
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I'm about to leave for BART
and to the coliseum…hoping for a well played game
by OaklandSi on Sep 16, 2008 4:58 PM PDT 0 recs
Several people have said this
but i don’t think i could agree any more regarding Carlos Gonzalez, unless you wanted him and all the other players to get some mustaches or something.
by NateHST on Sep 16, 2008 5:09 PM PDT 0 recs















