A's Lose 7-0
There's not much to say here, and I really don't want to dwell on tonight's game. Greg Smith has a narrow margin for error, and he was hit tonight, period. Things started out great - four outs in his first seven pitches. But Greg has earned his nickname, "Nibbles", for good reason - he has to nibble to be an effective big-league pitcher. He will never be a pitcher who can simply let fly and challenge hitters with little regard for where he's throwing in the zone. Tonight was proof of that - when the ball was left over the plate, he was crushed - by Blalock, and then by Teagarden as well.
Then I was forced to suffer through saw Jeff Gray pitch for the first time, and understood quickly why he's viewed with shrugs around AN. His cheap salary (400K) and contract flexibility (he can shuttle between Sac and the big club for all of '09 and '10) are attractive, but his pitching assets aren't really. His fastball hovered at 91 and his curveball didn't have enough bite. I hope it was an off night for one of those two pitches because if it wasn't, he isn't long for the big leagues.
Jeff Baisley played some first base and doesn't look like a terrific athlete by the professional athlete standards, although I'm told he plays a decent third base. He hit a few soft liners and remains hitless in his big league career.
On that note, there are a LOT of young players getting nice opportunities to play right now, and I can't say I'm not disappointed that literally none - none! - of them have taken the proverbial bull by the horns. As much as we bemoan Brown (.682 OPS), Crosby (.662), and Hannahan (.648), the A's have literally given more than 1,250 at-bats to guys with worse statlines than theirs. To a man, Barton/CarGon/Pennington/Murphy/Buck/Bankston/Patterson/Conrad/Murton, and now Baisley, have really not impressed. And I realize that's a very wide spectrum of prospectdom and age, all the way from potential star to utter fringe...but the point is, isn't it kinda sad that all 10 of those guys have gotten/are getting a wonderful opportunity to establish themselves as big leaguers, and none of them has done it? Don't most teams have at least one guy, even a fringy guy, who comes up and suddenly hits a few bombs and plays over his head? Or a prospect who's there just to audition, and mashes for a few weeks or month until the league figures him out? Where's our Chris Davis/Ryan Ludwick/Jorge Cantu/Josh Hamilton?
Of that group of would-be A's role-fillers listed above, we were 0 for 10 on that front. You'd hope for a little bit better "hit rate" than that. You look down our team stats page, and the base of it is a fringe prospect morgue, filled with .500 OPS's, .200ish SLG and OBP lines. I wanted one - just one! - of those 10 guys to break out or surprise.
Taking a step back from the ledge...
I'm pleased that Suzuki has established that he belongs. And that Jack Cust has proved that he wasn't a fluke. And I love watching Rajai Davis play, because his defense is literally the highlight of A's baseball for me right now, and I'm pulling for him to succeed more than anyone, and his defense was great again tonight. But there isn't much else to be happy about here, and again, you'd hope for more than that.
On the plus side, both Sacramento and Stockton moved within a game of winning their respective AAA and high-A championships with wins tonight. The Rivercats now lead their series 2-1, while Stockton heads to the road with a 2-0 series lead in their best-of-five.
Sacramento seems destined to win its second straight PCL title, buoyed by the fringes of the A's 40-man roster past, present, and future: Denorfia, Cargon, Murphy, Petit, Bankston, Buck, Putnam, Conrad.
This season has once again reinforced that the A's probably have the best 21-40 depth on their 40-man roster of any team in baseball. The drop-off in their "replacement level", from starter to backup to third stringer, is remarkably low.
The problem is that their best 1-20 players are about the worst in baseball. There's not a single one far-above-average player to carry this team - and for them to be good again, '09 and beyond there will probably need to be. Starting 1-2 average players, and 7 players that are somewhere between slightly below average and sucktacular, is not ever going to get it done.
For the (somewhat) younger group of hardcore A's fans on this site, it is time for us to earn our stripes. AN's more experienced fans, like onewonlostwon and 67MARQUEZ, have lived through plenty of ups and downs in their lifetime of fandom. I've only known the A's as a playoff contender in my adulthood, and this is the sour with the sweet, and I don't like it.
So forgive me when I occasonally indulge in Fremont/2014 Free Agent fantasies. :)
15 of these left. You gotta figure some of the guys in the A's locker room are counting them down, too.
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I agree
The list of players the A’s need to upgrade to be competitive is long, and that means at least one more year of rebuilding.
At this point I want the A’s to go ahead and trade Duke/let Ellis walk for a pick to continue to restock the farm; the A’s need high upside hitters. At least the rotation looks competitive and bright.
At what point to we start blaming the hitting coach? It’s one thing for veterans who have been around and are stuck not to hit, but when young maliable lumps of clay like Barton and CarGon are not hitting with regularity, maybe it’s time to start looking at your MLB level development system.
You know your starting roster is a mess when 4th outfielders like Ryan Sweeny start to look like the team all-star.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Sep 13, 2008 12:32 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You start blaming the hitting coach
when you have a lineup that isn’t a joke and they’re underperforming, not when you have a lineup that tempts you to bat Crosby 2nd or 3rd.
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by Nico on Sep 13, 2008 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sad but true
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Sep 13, 2008 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At what point to we start blaming the hitting coach?
Not at this point, you don’t.
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by Flashfire on Sep 13, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I turned the game on at first pitch over at my parents' house...
went out to play with Galt in the backyard… after chasing him around the pool on his trike 20 times, I headed back in… and, when my Dad flipped the TV back from the hurricane coverage to the A’s game, it was 5-0. He changed the channel and I didn’t even care. I went to watch SpongeBob SquarePants with Galt. It was more entertaining.
Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb
by FoolshGame22 on Sep 13, 2008 1:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
not much to add to the wrap
I was there from beginning to end. I also will be at today’s and tomorrow’s games.
I’ve been a fan for a long time. I understand being a fan in bad as well as good times.
And even though I wonder about Greg Smith (not his head, his heart or his guts — his arm….unless he can learn to paint the corners like Maddox or Duchscherer), in general the pitching has been pretty good.
It’s the offense. I’d like to know how Texas keeps drafting, trading for, and producing really good looking bats (I’m not talking about Arlington, since I see them in Oakland), and how the A’s can do the same, or at least better than it has been doing for a few years now.
by OaklandSi on Sep 13, 2008 7:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They're probably wondering how the A's keep producing good looking arms.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Sep 13, 2008 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
might help both teams to compare notes
by OaklandSi on Sep 13, 2008 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't we just merge teams in an epic quest to beat the Angels?
With our pitching staff and their offense? Plus, we’d get Ron Washington back.
by danmerqury on Sep 13, 2008 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sac better win the PCL title
everybody that should be on the OKC AAA team are playing the A’s this weekend. Both Harrison and Nippert pitched No-hitters for OKC this year.
by laxtonto on Sep 13, 2008 9:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
and Nelson Cruz, who was the best hitter in AAA this year
"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ
by notsellingjeans on Sep 13, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, notsellingjeans
You have very articulately put down what I’ve been feeling. How can the A’s have absolutely no clue how to find a young bat, or, for that matter, a bat of any age??? The inability to see anyone coming through is giving me heartburn for 2009. At least this time last year we were getting excited about our version of the “M&M Boys”: the “B&B Boys” (Buck and Barton). Oh how they flattered to deceive…. But this year we have absolutely NOTHING!
I usually call myself a “die-hard A’s fan” and watching this team sure makes me feel like I’m dying the hard way.
So much so that I actually turned off the debacle at the Coliseum and just browsed around the other games on MLB Extra Innings to find one that might be more interesting (I ended up watching the Dodgers since that team is fun to watch with Manny). It made me feel guilty to know that there was an A’s game on the other channel but it was actually a welcome relief.
by itsgemme on Sep 13, 2008 9:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The sour with the sweet
Great recap, notsellingjeans. And while it’s true I have been through the ups and downs of this team, it thrills me none at all that we are more than likely headed to a third consecutive sub-.500 season (next year) to close this decade. History tells us that waiting out a losing stretch in Oakland is often rewarded (1977-79 became 1980-81, 1982-86 became 1987-92, 1993-98 became 1999-2006), or wait, is it the other way around?
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Sep 13, 2008 9:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Horrifying incident
When Stomper took the field to dance as he’s been doing lately, between halves of the sixth inning I think, he had just started his moves, did a one-handed stand, and then…knocked the head of his costume off. It rolled about 10 feet away, and the headless Stomper scrambled after it, and re-headed himself after perhaps eight seconds of exposure.
That of course is the fundamental sin a Furry can commit. Better to vomit in your costume or collapse from heat prostration than to lose your head. The dude inside knew this was big, he cut off the routine and scrambled off the field immediately. The crowd loudly grumbled its displeasure. Bad scene.
Arte didn't get much Home Run Derby. He was dug in too deep or moving too fast. His idea of great R&R was cold rice and a little rat meat.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Sep 13, 2008 9:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute
Stompers not a real elephant?
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Sep 13, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was shocking to see
but at least it gave the fans something to talk about besides the game
by OaklandSi on Sep 13, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's tough when you've been to the South Bay and back
cut the elephant some slack
by jdr on Sep 13, 2008 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with everything except ,,
I think you may have forgotten about Sweeney and Suzuki when talking about 1-2average, and 3-9 below average players, those guys are already above average and they are both getting better….
My girlfriend also seems to have taken a liking to Sweeney..It’s probably just because he’s good though… ;-)
Is that Embry warming up?....... NOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!!!!!!
by iljackb on Sep 13, 2008 11:09 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty depressing that our minor league prospects have not produced anything
I’m starting to understand all the calls for trades for some big bats. It’s kinda hard to project any growth from an 0-fer. I hope that the setbacks are just temporary for the younger guys, and also that we have better guys coming up through the system. But doesn’t that seem like this every year?
by asfansince1989 on Sep 13, 2008 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Gray.....
Obviously you didn’t see the game the night before when Gray had his fastball going 94-98 mph on a consistent basis and had 3 up and 3 down with on 8 pitches. With that, you must not have realized that Geran had Meyer and Street already warmed up and then at the last minute got Gray up and into the game with only 22 warm up pitches. I would agree that his salary and AAA location allows him to shuffle back and forth but I’ve watched this guy for awhile (since Kane County), he got what it takes to be the set up guy for Zigler, don’t fault the guy in his only third appearance, look at the entire picture…lack of warm up and back to back appearances.
I will agree with you as far as the team goes but I have one thing to say to that…“Moneyball doesn’t work at the Major League Level”. Has 1 of the Moneyball players sustained any life in the big leagues? No…..The only guy who hasn’t had a crack at the bigs is Robnett, but then this guy is about a fragile as crystal. Appert never made it out of High A, Brown never got out of AAA and retired, Putnam saw some time in the show but now has been banished to the minors.
The guys that this team gets in trades just aren’t ready yet…Patterson looks over matched, why is Carlos Gonzalez back in AAA?
I hate to say this but this is going to be a “rebuilding year” again and unless Beane gets upper management to dip into their pockets a bit, but then again, they’re going to be a bit gun shy on that seeing that they’re taking it up the shorts still on that brilliant move on Chavez…
by jerrymcguire on Sep 15, 2008 7:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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