Open (pre) Game Thread: Game 147 - A's vs. Rangers
by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 7:00 AM PDT
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This thread will serve as a discussion board for today and then become the game thread once the action starts tonight.
The A's face the Rangers in game two of a four game series tonight at 7:05 p.m. Greg Smith (7-14, 4.05 ERA) faces the Rangers' Matt Harrison (7-3, 5.76 ERA).
Tonight's starters provide an interesting glimpse at the limitations of evaluating Win-Loss stats for pitchers:
Among qualifiers, Smith is 22nd out of 41in the AL in ERA, 27th in WHIP, and 8th in Batting Average Against (.242)...yet he's tied for 2nd in losses with 14.
Harrison, if he qualified, would be in the bottom four in the entire AL in WHIP, ERA, and BAA...yet he's 7-3 in his 12 starts.
One of Harrison's wins came in Oakland on July 26th, his fourth start as a big leaguer. The 23-year-old allowed only one earned run in five innings of work in a 9-4 Rangers victory. His other 11 starts haven't been nearly as successful, as evidenced by his 1.58 WHIP and 29-24 K-BB ratio.
A few conversation topics for this morning:
*The A's are in their final homestand of the season. This is your second-to-last weekend to catch them; the team's final home date is Sunday the 21st against Seattle. Will you go to see them one last time in '09?
*The A's may finish the season with the second-worst home attendance in all of baseball, ahead of only the woeful Marlins, who drew only 300 fans for a day game last week. If you clicked on the attendance link, you'll notice the A's are 27th, but that figure is inflated by the "home" games in Japan at the beginning of the year. Excluding Japan, the A's average attendance is 20,001 per game in '08. That's down 3,700 per game from '07, and might make the team wary of significantly raising payroll back up to the $60-75MM range. I think we'll see a sub-$45MM team on the field next year, which still allows for a low-profile FA signing or two.
*Mark Ellis is not the only Athletic that might net a compensatory pick in the '09 ML Draft. Did you know that Alan Embree is on track to earn Type B compensation status this offseason? This means that if the team 1) declines his 3MM option for '09, 2) offers him arbitration, and 3) he declines and signs with another team; the A's would receive a compensatory "sandwich" pick between the first and second rounds. This is actually an extremely likely scenario, for a few reasons: The A's have a deep enough bullpen to make Embree expendable, and the draft-pick scenario is attractive, and also, Embree's pitched at least well enough to be useful to another team, and he won't cost the team he signs with a draft pick, since he's not a Type A free agent. This also helps explain why the A's pulled Embree back when the Twins claimed him on waivers earlier this season.
So, yes, Mark Ellis and Alan Embree have the same compensation value(!), and could potentially net the A's a pair of draft picks right around slot #40-50 overall, approximately. Ellis and Embree's "equal" value is quite an indictment of the ridiculous compensation rankings, and an obvious indicator of how much they need to be revised in the next Collective Bargaining Agreement. I wouldn't be surprised if this had been a small factor in the A's signing Embree two offseasons ago. Hell, if Embree had pitched as well this year as he did in '07 and picked up 15 more saves, he had an outside chance of being labeled a Type A and netting two high draft picks. Yet his real value doesn't come close to that of Ellis, or Suzuki, or Dioner Navarro, Carlos Quentin, Nick Swisher and Jermaine Dye (yep, you guessed it: all Type B's classifications, just like Embree).
*Embree and Ellis are the A's only two potential FAs who are in line to reach FA compensation (A or B) status (Frank Thomas, Emil Brown, and Keith Foulke will all fall signfiicantly short). However, if the A's hope to get compensation, this has 40-man roster implications.
While FAs that aren't offered arbitration (like Foulke, or Emil Brown) are removed from the 40-man roster, I think FA's that are offered arby are treated differently. If a player is offered arbitration, I think he has to remain on the 40-man roster until he declines or accepts the offer. This makes sense, because if Ellis or Embree accepted, he'd still be on the team in '09, and so they should be occupying a roster spot. But arbitration decisions don't have to made until December...so Ellis and Embree would need to remain on the 40-man roster through the Rule 5 draft on November 21.
Edit, courtesy of jasonlbe and PT: All of the team's free agents are removed from the team's 40-man roster at season's end, but if the team hopes to receive draft-pick compensation for Embree and Ellis, the pair would need to be offered arbitration and if they accepted, would need to be added back to the 40-man roster by December 7.
That might mean 1-2 fewer slots that can be used to protect fringy prospects like Jesus Guzman, Brad Kilby, Jose Garcia, Ryan Webb, Jamie Richmond, and Donnie Murphy, all of whom and more were discussed in Paul's 40-man roster diary here. Now that Baisley's been added, if you could only protect one more Rule 5 eligible player not currently on the 40-man roster, who would it be?
*And lastly...how about a poll? I know that Mark Ellis is extremely popular here, and there is still probably a chance he comes back in '09. But when you vote, I'm going to ask you to assume, as painful as this might be for you, that he will be gone, and that someone currently within the organization will be filling the starting 2b void in '09.
Who do you think that will be?
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actually, since Ellis will likely have shoulder surgery
(for cartilage damage, not for his old labrum injury), there’s a good chance that he might prefer not to opt for free agency, in order to rebuild his value in 2009. If that’s the case the A’s may opt to sign him to a one year contract for alot less than he might otherwise have gotten. I’d only expect this if the A’s decide that their internal options are either not good enough or not ready to take over second base in 2009.
by OaklandSi on Sep 12, 2008 7:19 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
But he has a better chance of rebuilding value...
By playing in the NL and in a hitter’s park.
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's true, if someone else will give him
a year’s contract — and if they’re convinced he’s healthy someone probably will. I was just wondering whether the A’s might offer him something if they’re not convinced any of the above are ready or able for 2009.
by OaklandSi on Sep 12, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dave Feldman also thinks the A's might have a better chance
he made the point that hurt or not, Ellis did not have a good season at the plate.
by OaklandSi on Sep 12, 2008 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I understand this, but I understand part of it, so onward we go:
Mark Ellis had a normal year at the plate with the single and sole exception of his BABIP. Whether that was suppressed by injury or just bad luck, we don’t know. What we do know is that if he is healthy there’s no reason not to expect him to hit like his career averages.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 12, 2008 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anecdotally, it seemed like he hit a ridiculous amount of popups this year.
Do the stats bear that out? What was his LD/popfly break down?
Maybe he had to adjust his swing slightly to compensate for his injury, and dipping the shoulder led to weaker contact.
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 13, 2008 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His LD rate is actually improved this year
As for popups, he’s hit about 20 more of them this year than he would have if he had tracked his prior career average. That sounds like a lot, but keep in mind that his career batting average on non-popup contact is only about .337, so we’re talking like 6-7 hits here over the whole season.
Even if the rise in popup rate is 100% skill-based, which is by no means clear, it accounts for less than half of the differential in BABIP. His BABIP if you add 7 hits for fewer popups is .268— 19 points better than his actual BABIP in the real world but still 25 points below his career average.
That doesn’t mean that the rest of the drop is luck— the injury could be affecting him in ways which do not necessarily show up in the very narrow and generic “launch angle” calculus that classifies batted balls into types, eg less forceful ground balls. But I’d say the odds are 80-90% that it’s either luck or the injury, and not him just suddenly losing his hitting ability at age 31.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 13, 2008 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good info Paul, thank you
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 14, 2008 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two tix tonight in 225. Call my cell if you can meet me at the BART bridge around 6:45-7.
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by The Dogfather on Sep 12, 2008 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we’ll see a sub-$45MM team on the field next year, which still allows for a low-profile FA signing or two.
So you are saying Jose Castillo at 3rd?
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by DCinWC on Sep 12, 2008 7:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am actually surprised
that our attendance average is that high.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Sep 12, 2008 8:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
actually, the Giants' attendance decline
in 2008 has been much greater than the A’s — although they had farther to fall from last year.
by OaklandSi on Sep 12, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My real choice is Chavez,
but that wasn’t one of the listed options.
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by WaddellCanseco on Sep 12, 2008 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Alan Embree is going to be a Type B?
Wow. That is some f***ed up.
Not even a question what the team should do at this point. Decline his option and offer him arbitration. He’s a lefty with a fastball and a pulse— someone will sign him.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 12, 2008 9:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The main question with Embree
will be whether he wants to pitch another year, or just retire after this season. He will be 39 in January, and I believe he indicated earlier this year that he was giving retirement strong consideration. Those things change as the season goes on though. No doubt, he can get a job in an MLB bullpen next year if he wants one.
by Soaker on Sep 12, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He talked before 2007 about how his deal with the A's was the last he'd sign
And he might not even play in 2008. Of course, like you said, that can change. But he definitely has been talking about it for a while.
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the A's should hold onto Embree.
Did you guys see that A’s commercial where they call him grandpa? How can you repace that comedic gold with a draft pick?
by VORP is too nerdy on Sep 12, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something about that doesn't sound right
I didn’t know you can decline an option and still offer arbitration. That seems like a loophole in the entire system.
Anyway, I think Embree will retire after the season if/when the A’s decline his option. He might accept arbitration though, and the last thing I want is him on the A’s another year. It was a huge mistake not to move him before this season, and keeping him another year would be inexcusable.
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really doesn't hurt the team that much though
Worst-case scenario, he accepts and you have a left-handed reliever making 3 million. Maybe he puts up a decent year, maybe he doesn’t. It’s not like he’s a hitter who’d be taking away at-bats that could go to another young promising guy. A seventh reliever isn’t really depriving anyone of an opportunity.
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And keep in mind:
arbitration contracts are not fully guaranteed. They’re partially guaranteed, mind you. But not fully. If you release a guy before (I think) March 15 you only have to pay a guy a relatively small fraction of his salary.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 12, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't know that
Good detail, and good knowledge, as always PT.
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How small is the fraction?
And is it a percentage of the deal or a flat amount?
Mostly, Embree just isn’t as good as a handful of lefties I think will probably be in the bullpen next year. I don’t think he brings a lot to the table anymore, and he’s not worth $3 million.
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
but an extra 40th-50th overall draft pick is worth something significant
So there is some benefit to assuming that risk (the risk that he’ll accept arbitration).
But I also think that Embree might’ve grown sour of Oakland, and may be less likely to accept arbitration than AN thinks. I seem to remember him grumbling privately about Geren’s management or his usage of relievers earlier in the year. He’s also close to riding into the sunset…if he plays, wouldn’t he want to play for a contender, with other guys in their 30s like him?
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Cot's, describing the outcome of an arbitration hearing:
The panel, without opinion, awards the player a one-year, non-guaranteed contract at one salary or the other. If the player is cut before the 16th day before the season begins (March 14, 2007), he is entitled only to 30 days’ termination pay. If the player is cut during spring training but after the 16th day before the season begins (between March 15 and March 31, 2007), he is entitled only to 45 days’ termination pay.
30 days’ termination pay for a player with a $3 million contract is approximately $500,000.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 12, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worth it to offer arby for sure
That makes it a slam dunk, if it wasn’t already.
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he trade-eligable during this period?
b/c swinging a deal for a /a couple of low-A guys at that point wouldn’t hurt either.
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by DMOAS on Sep 12, 2008 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
If we did keep him and he falls again into the pattern of doing better in odd numbered years (that is his MO, right?) and starts the year off well, we could have a trade chip for a deadline deal. If that happens, the return would hopefully be better, or at least equal to, the draft pick we would have had if he refused.
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by 5Aces on Sep 12, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a loophole because they are two different processes
Arbitration is a rule in the CBA governing what happens when a player isn’t under contract. Options are part of a player’s contract in and of themselves. It’s the very act of declining the option that makes him “not under contract.”
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by PaulThomas on Sep 12, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the "hole" I'm referring to
Is essentially getting out of a deal for the purposes of the draft pick. I just feel like if you decline an option, you shouldn’t be allowed to then benefit from that by getting the draft pick. Something about it just doesn’t seem quite right. But if that’s how it is, then I hope the A’s take advantage of it.
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind
If you decline the option and then offer arb, the player can still take you up on it. So teams have to be careful doing this, particularly with long-settled players who would prefer to not have to move. A lot of times arbitration will not end up being offered when a team declines an option on a guy at the end of a long contract. (EG I don’t expect Mike Hampton and Garret Anderson to be offered arbitration for 2009 when their respective teams decline their options.)
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by PaulThomas on Sep 12, 2008 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't there some discussion
in another thread about a change to the CBA effective this year where teams will no longer have to offer arbitration to type B free agents in order to get the compensation pick?
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by andeux on Sep 12, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, great find andeux
That’s a really important link. So then there’s no need to offer Ellis or Embree arbitration.
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
RIght, I forgot about that
At this point, I don’t know why they don’t just abandon the arbitration procedure for free agents altogether. It’s practically a dead letter at this point.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 12, 2008 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As for the poll
I voted for Donnie Murphy because I still think the guy can play. Pennington would be my second choice. I’m not picking Petit because I want him to be the shortstop next year, and I don’t think Eric Patterson can do much of anything except run fast (and draw a few walks). The only way Hannahan is on the 40-man next year is if the A’s do nothing about third base, and Guzman just hasn’t done enough at higher levels.
But I don’t see this happening. Murphy couldn’t hit well playing once a week so he lost his opportunity (of course, guys like Crosby and Hannahan can’t hit playing everyday and keep theirs).
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 10:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Voted Patterson in the poll, changed my mind....
Murphy
Patterson
Cliffy
Guzman
Petit (should be playing SS for AAA; maybe the most promising of the group, but he needs to improve his hitting down there)
Hannahan (would be bad at 2B, I think)
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by mikeA on Sep 12, 2008 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
honest question
Why do you have Patterson ranked 1 or 2?
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by monkeyball on Sep 12, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No competition....
he’s probably the best bet in that group as far as offense, although his offense is bad. Pennington and Petit are basically guarateed to be terrible on offense, whereas Patterson won’t be any worse and could be ok. Guzman probably isn’t any better defensively, and could use a little more time in the minors. I don’t think his bat will be that great, either.
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by mikeA on Sep 12, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I DEFINITELY think it should be Patterson
He hasn’t shown much yet in the majors, but his minor league numbers are excellent for a 2B. I think the A’s almost have to have him start to open the year next year. Give him a real shot; if he shows nothing after a few months then play Pennington or something, but I think Patterson has the best skill set here.
Everyone else would be pretty weak:
Pennington: very weak minor league numbers. His best assets, plate discipline and speed, are assets that Patterson also has, and Patterson can also hit. Pennington might have better D though.
Petit: Better D but not as good a hitter.
Hannahan: Has proven his bat is not good enough for him to be a major league regular.
Murphy: Same as Hannahan.
Guzman: Has proven nothing above AA.
Have someone work with Patterson on his defense in the off-season and he’s easily the best option.
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by Philip Christy on Sep 12, 2008 10:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hannahan
Not in terms of future projection, but TODAY, I think he might actually be the best hitter in that group.
And that’s a scary, sad thing.
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Murphy
If Patterson hasn’t proven he can’t hit, then Murphy hasn’t either. Murphy has had 200 more PA, but has been a better hitter. And he’s definitely better defensively. They’re the same age, and while Patterson’s overall minor league numbers have been somewhat better, it’s not to the extent that it’s clear he’s a better overall option. My worry about Murphy is that this year he’s striking out more and walking less. He seems to have regressed a bit. Of course Patterson hasn’t proven anything in the way of being a major leaguer. Murphy, at least, can be a utility guy (seems the A’s have plenty of those).
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Murphy has regressed...
but he’s also had a few critical development years that have been slightly marred by inconsistent playing time.
For his entire stretch as the team’s utility infielder/hopeful platoon player, he’s received very inconsistent playing time (and rightfully so; he’s sucked).
Maybe he can’t succeed in that role, and he can only be successful with 4 at bats every day. Or, he be completely incapable of big league success. I agree that the latter is far more likely, but given that 2b appears to be an open race, I threw his name in. If the team considers him a candidate, though, they’ll have to add him to the 40-man roster, because I doubt he’ll re-sign with the A’s this offseason if he’s a minor league free agent.
The real blame goes with the Royals, who purchased his contract way to early and screwed with his development by wasting his option years.
"are you like some sort of argumentative robot?"
by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where have we heard that refrain before...
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by PaulThomas on Sep 12, 2008 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
:)
Butler? Gordon? Every player they’ve ever had? :)
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm probably the biggest Murphy fan on this board
I think he has (or had) a lot of actual talent to be a decent regular. I just fear that chance has been blown. What I don’t really understand is why Patterson is getting the chance that I don’t think Murphy ever really got. I just don’t see enough of a difference in their history to warrant that.
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beane has gone on record
Saying he is going to be agressive in free agency and that the team has payroll flexibility, so attendance isnt going to deter him from that.
by pbra17 on Sep 12, 2008 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Did you vote for Bill King today?
Just a friendly reminder.
Go A’s!
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by LongTimeFan on Sep 12, 2008 11:31 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
good riddance to 2008
I live on the east coast but I followed, watched, or listened to every A’s game until the all star break, which we all know what followed. I"m actually glad that the A’s have such bad attendance; this will teach Wolff and Beane a lesson for putting suck a crap product on the field. The fans are the consumers, so I don’t see why we should continue to support a bad product by going to the games.
by batterbatter on Sep 12, 2008 11:51 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
TOTM
Typo of the month: “suck a crap”
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by monkeyball on Sep 12, 2008 12:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
copyright
I think I should copyright that term.
by batterbatter on Sep 12, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a pretty grotesque image
But it works remarkably well. Quite a new epithet you’ve just coined.
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Tell me, how exactly does one suck a fuck?"
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm beginning to doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion
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by monkeyball on Sep 12, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chut up!
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by Philip Christy on Sep 12, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The attendance issue makes me laugh
A losing season last year, then trading the team’s best (or at least most popular) pitcher and hitter equals losing the crowd.
There’s more I should write on this but the topic has been talked to death.
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by grover on Sep 12, 2008 12:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
they raised ticket prices. There’s no way the team should be whining about attendance after all that.
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by Philip Christy on Sep 12, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't tickets to A's games still one of the 5 best values in all of baseball?
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could paying any money to see an A’s game these days be considered a good value?
I kid, I kid.
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by Philip Christy on Sep 12, 2008 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
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by Flashfire on Sep 12, 2008 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The crowd isn't there when this team is winning
They don’t support the A’s no matter what…20,000 a year whether they go to the world series or finish in last place
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by streetisclosedin08 on Sep 12, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Lew would refer to as "inelastic demand"
leading to much follow-up discussion on AN about the definitions of that term, and whether it was used appropriately.
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
40 man question and Offering Arbitration
I believe once a player is granted free agency he is removed from your roster. So even though we offer arbitration he is not counted against your 40 man roster. Once/if they accept then you do have to get them back on the roster.
by jasonlbe on Sep 12, 2008 12:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm virtually certain this is correct
It’s the act of granting free agency that removes a guy from the roster, not the act of “not offering arbitration”. Think about the alternative— players wouldn’t come off teams’ 40-man rosters until after the Winter Meetings and the Rule 5 draft. That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 12, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are both right, and I was wrong.
I hadn’t thought about the fact that teams don’t even need to offer arby until after the Rule 5 draft date. So, just as you and jasonlbe both said, it is indeed true that all FA’s – even ones who will likely be offered arbitration, like Ellis and Embree – are removed from the 40-man at the end of the season.
So, that gives the team an extra 40-man roster slot or two to play with…but, they would still need to be prepared to add Ellis/Embree back to the 40-man on December 7th if they accepted the arbitration offer.
The Rule 5 draft is then four days later, on December 11th.
So, by November 20th at the latest (the last day to add players for protection from the Rule 5 draft), you might see the A’s add Recker and 1-2 other guys, and leave the 40-man roster at 38-39 players, in anticipation of picking a Rule 5 draft pick or re-adding Embree/Ellis to the 40-man if they eventually accept arbitration by December 7th.
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh!...
…does it have to be an internal choice?
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by UncleLeo on Sep 12, 2008 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You got a better external choice?
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by PaulThomas on Sep 12, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Getting to 2nd base is all external
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by grover on Sep 12, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Baltimore still looking to trade Brian Roberts?
I’m not in love with him, but it’s a thought worth considering I think. I think they’ll want too much though.
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baltimore is notoriously difficult to deal with though
I honestly think that Peter Angelos is like the guy in your fantasy league that makes trade proposals that are so shitty, no one even returns his emails. Angelos is “that guy”.
I have a little theory that the only reason Aubrey Huff (.950 OPS!!) made it through waivers despite his relatively small contract is that all 29 other other teams thought, “Hell, why bother. The O’s will ask for our entire farm system in return, and a deal won’t happen.”
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Bavasi returned his emails
Of course, the Mariners then proceeded to get absolutely hosed in that deal, so it probably didn’t encourage anyone else to try.
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by PaulThomas on Sep 12, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Peter Angelos is the guy who makes absurd proposals in your fantasy league...
Bill Bavasi is the guy in your league that accepts them while he’s staring at his computer screen at 3 a.m., drunk and in his boxers after a frat party.
"are you like some sort of argumentative robot?"
by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, that guy helped me win my league a couple years back!
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on Sep 12, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, except I was rarely actually wearing my boxers
cocky whacko @('.')@
by monkeyball on Sep 12, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could you at least turn off your webcam?
Overqualified to be an A's fan.
by andeux on Sep 12, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
300 votes so far
Patterson at 31, and Pennington at 27.
I don’t know what I expected out of this poll, but I do find the results interesting.
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 3:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
those are percentages, of course
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I went Patterson since...
…he clearly seems to have the most offensive upside of the bunch, at least based on his minor league numbers. But man I wish he would start to show something up here. With all the other below avg offensive players for their respective positions we are carrying (and likely to carry next season), it makes sense to try and go offense first at 2B. Give Patterson a legitimate chance to show something and work on his D for the first few months of next season. If he fails you can always turn to Pennington or Petit.
A trial run of a Patterson/Murphy platoon to start the season might also work out ok if there is space on the roster for both.
Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
-Thomas Jefferson
by thinwhiteduke on Sep 12, 2008 3:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Off topic, but I feel like it's appropriate for me to post this:
Barry Zito really is selling jeans now. No wonder he’s no longer an Athletic.
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 4:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Best part of the article
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
on the other hand, it is still rooting for laundry
"What’s great is that they don’t want my name,’’ Zito said.
cocky whacko @('.')@
by monkeyball on Sep 12, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Swooney?!
Oy vey.
He didn’t break himself last night, did he?
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 7:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WAAAA!!
Why tonight? Today sucked. I wanted some Swooney distraction.
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know!
Ooh, he has his own commercial now… adorablenesssss.
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the french toast?!
He does? I missed it!
by Kimberly on Sep 12, 2008 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suuuper short one
Just one of those things where they show a closeup of the dude’s face (siiigh) with the green background and lights and all, announcing upcoming games or whatnot.
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just watched it again
Oh god, it’s glorious. Especially in HD. Rowwwwr.
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's preetttttyyyyy.
I’m going to Sunday’s game with seats by RF. He better be playing, I mean, he can’t hide from me forever!
by Kimberly on Sep 12, 2008 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dah! I'm jealousss.
I’m saving my money for an OAK trip next year, I hope to make it for Photo Day :)
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oakland is pretty.
I want to go back, but I think it’s going to be a long time until I’m able to afford any trips.
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad he's not giving out free breast exams
for Breast Cancer Day.
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he doesn't look like the type to say no.
by Kimberly on Sep 12, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell, they don't even have to be free
I’d pay for that.
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he says no, well....
he’s rooting for cancer.
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he doesn't, and you (plural!) need some help...
:X
by mikev on Sep 12, 2008 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be sure to see my doctor!
:)
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AHHH!!
CSN Swooney commercial!
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nom nom nom
Man, it feels weird to be sobering up at only 10pm.
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Dale either... Hmm.
I’m suspicious.
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ruh roh...
Dar-an Bar-ney off playing together.
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just found this saved on my desktop as "forjennifer.jpg"
so I’m thinking I should post it.
Caption me.
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I stole that from flickr too.
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, you had to go through shit that was all mis-tagged to get to that one.
You are dedicated.
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
They were photos of the game from KC. I was looking for those…. “Most Recent”… it was right there.
But I am a stalker. :)
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, but it was one of those where someone tagged ALL the photos in their set with ALL the names of everyone
Every photo was tagged, like, “Ryan Sweeney Daric Barton Jack Hannahan Cliff Pennington Greg Smith Vida Blue Mark McGwire Stomper”
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight's lineups have been posted to the top of the thread
We’ll ride this thread for the first stretch of the game.
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by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 7:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Where's Greg's Phiten twister?
I blame that HR on the lack of Phiten.
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 7:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
PS I stupidly just told my dad about Greg’s Twister and now he’s online trying to buy one.
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is that?
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oy.
Just tuned in. Bad timing.
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 7:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We can blame you.
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine. Then I also get credit for Cust's double.
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked it better when Crosby was on the bench.
HE SUCKS.
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one
by baseballgirl on Sep 12, 2008 7:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF up with Hannahan's stupid batting music?
Another reason for me to hate him.
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 7:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great ABs by Cust and Suzuki
By Crosby, well…I do hate on him for a reason.
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by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 7:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oooh Kimberly they just played the Swoon commercial again
You catch it?
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 7:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
O/T what a mess that train crash in Chatsworth
many people dead.
Someone made a fatal error by running a red signal. Either that or a malfunction which is not very likely.
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
by Trainman on Sep 12, 2008 7:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yikes
for comparison,
http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx
37,248 car deaths in 2007
41,059 including people hit.
by MobiusKlein on Sep 12, 2008 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unofficial that Metrolink ran red signal
was supposed to wait for local freight to take siding in front of him. The front Locomotive pushed the Metrolink loco back into the first car full of passengers. Even though the freight was a local going from Oxnard to Van Nuys it had two BIG ROAD UNITS on it which are used for long distance.
I would imagine (only guessing) that the Metrolink Engineer would have to be bye bye because getting rammed by 450 tons of locomotives would not be very healthy. That’s not counting all the freight cars behind them
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by Trainman on Sep 12, 2008 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DirecTV is out because of rain. :(
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 7:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I HATE it when that happens.
We keep getting that lately… switched over to the HD dish and it’s even more prone to rain-fail than the regular dish. Suckage.
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was the name of the pitcher who was on during the pregame show today? Anyone know?
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 7:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Huston Street?
Don't blame me, I voted for Bill King.
by Englishmajor on Sep 12, 2008 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was someone saying he likens himself to a young Pedro Martinez or Josh Beckett
Someone from the… 80’s?
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Dave Stewart.
Such a badass. Such a wussy voice.
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 7:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking his voice has deepened a little bit
Don't blame me, I voted for Bill King.
by Englishmajor on Sep 12, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally.
Pavarotti-esque.
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Puberty.
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why, what happens during puberty?
I’m just curious.
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talk about a late bloomer!
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Hamilton plays for Texas.
Life is not fair.
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 7:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
NO joke...I want him
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one
by baseballgirl on Sep 12, 2008 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think she means in a purely baseball sense.
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i tune into Hamilton's "ringing" double.
alaska A (now in Colorado)
by ak_A on Sep 12, 2008 7:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You. Out.
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one
by baseballgirl on Sep 12, 2008 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just kidding, hi :-)
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one
by baseballgirl on Sep 12, 2008 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hi! this new time zone thing has me off kilter for A's games
alaska A (now in Colorado)
by ak_A on Sep 12, 2008 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't feel bad.
I tuned in just in time for Blalock’s homer.
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the bright side is that it took 3+ for Smith to walk somebody
Of course, he’s getting hit pretty hard by “Challenging” guys.
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 7:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am not impressed with his stuff
he is just another #5 starter so far. Not enough velocity to get away with missed location.
Hopefully he improves next year.
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by Trainman on Sep 12, 2008 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think people here have a way inflated concept of the 1-5 starters
A guy with a 4.05 ERA is hardly some fringe #5 starter. If Greg Smith is your worst starter, you have a really good pitching staff.
Look around the league. Smith’s production this year would be welcomed by most teams.
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smith (before tonight) had a 5.27 ERA since the break
That is #5 material IMO
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by Trainman on Sep 12, 2008 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you're cherry-picking the stats
since he started running out of gas – I think his arm is just basically done for the season. Smith has a lot of work to do, but he’s had a pretty solid rookie season.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I agree about the running out of gas
That is why he should improve next season.
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by Trainman on Sep 12, 2008 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just pulled four dozen chicken wings out of my smoker.
So awesome.
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 8:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This series:
Not so awesome.
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish Smith would pull his head out of his smoker at this point
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is NOT
where I pulled my wings from.
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yow, Greg got insta-red right there.
Never noticed that happen before.
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 8:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: Anybody here play Civilization IV?
I recently got the game (and the Warlords and Beyond the Sword expansions), and I’m trying to figure out what the heck I’m doing. I’m very familiar with Civ II, but this is some kinda different. I don’t think I like it, and even reading stuff on civfanatics.com makes me feel way overwhelmed.
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 8:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's way different.
But it grew on me over time. I hope your computer has a + graphics card, though.
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't
I’m using the lowest graphics settings. Actually, my least favorite part of the game is the “improved” graphics. I want more text, not less. I hate all the icons and graphical improvements. For a turn-based strategy game, graphics just muddy up the screen and get in the way. I’m glad they let you turn off all the voices and videos.
I’m in the middle of a game now, but I feel like I’m going through motions and have no idea what’s happening in any of my cities.
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also:
Some people play way, way too much Civ. Don’t feel like you need to live up to their absurd standards or understand their lingo.
…
Of course, some could say the same about our relationship with the A’s.
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really read the boards, just the FAQs
I also don’t have much interest in the multiplayer. I like video games as a way to relax and waste some time. It’s a nice solitary activity for me when I want to get away from things. Other people don’t really fit into that equation. Plus, I’m afraid I’ll end up like the Warcraft episode of South Park.
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tried Warcraft for a month.
It is scary addicting. I had to cut myself off before I got like that.
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer management-type games
I love Out of the Park for baseball simming, though I haven’t gotten a new one in a while. My favorite Final Fantasy game is Final Fantasy Tactics. I still have Sim City 2000 on my computer (but I hate The Sims). Civ fits right in with what I like, I’m just not sure I’ll get used to this new one. I think once I figure out the whole Great Person thing and the cultural boundaries I’ll be ok.
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I swear this is my last post about video games.
But I must say this: Final Fantasy Tactics fucking rocks my socks off. That is all.
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude. Get OOTP9.
Come join the GUBA You will love it. Best league evar.
by mikev on Sep 12, 2008 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, it's already on 9?
I’m still playing 2006. It’s not great or anything, but it’s still fun.
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit, man. 2006 is absolute GARBAGE.
That awful abomination of a program almost ended my online league.
2007 ( and then “OOTP 8” after the Sega/Sports Interactive split) is much, much better.
9 is improved even more for online leagues.
by mikev on Sep 12, 2008 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could listen to Stew talk all night. He was the Man!
by jdub69 on Sep 12, 2008 8:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We need another intimidating African-American starting pitcher
I realize these are not easy to find. But we effing need one.
"are you like some sort of argumentative robot?"
by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My gosh...Crosby is just the ultimate rally killer, isn't he?
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one
by baseballgirl on Sep 12, 2008 8:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If he were a people killer he might actually not start anymore
Well, he’d probably start for the Raiders then.
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bobby, you aren't helping your cause.
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 8:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
PUT HIM BACK ON THE BENCH!
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one
by baseballgirl on Sep 12, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And what, exactly, is Crosby's cause at this point?
Besides being allowed anywhere near a major league baseball team in the future, that is.
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 rainouts tonight
What’s the record for most games postponed due to weather in a day?
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 8:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
All of them.
On Nov. 1, every year! : P
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Bobby Crosby,
You suck. Please go away. Thank you.
Sincererly,
Me.
P.S. I hate you.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 8:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I applaud you for constructing that letter without any swearing
How do you manage such restraint when it comes to Crosby?
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ baseballgirl
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one
by baseballgirl on Sep 12, 2008 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All the A's appear to
the way they’re playing
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would give my left testicle for a good new SS
And I would give my right testicle for a good new 3Bman. I’ve put a lot of thought into this and I am fully prepared to accept castration as a fair exchange for improvement on the left side of the infield.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 8:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you quoting Shakespeare?
A shortstop! A shortstop! My left nut for a shortstop!
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would also sacrifice my testicles, but only if I could get prostheses.
I don’t care about the “no kids” thing, but I don’t wanna be deformed. I’m vain.
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize they're worn on the inside of the clothes, right?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm shooting for a career in porn
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pun intended?
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I literally just spit wine on the laptop when I read that
and little bit came out of my nose.
Mrs. Jeans was very confused.
"are you like some sort of argumentative robot?"
by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that is dedication to your team
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by Trainman on Sep 12, 2008 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nico and other ANers:
This is my first time seeing Baisley. To my eye, he looks like a pretty unathletic dude, although I realize that’s kind of a vague phrase. Big ass, big thighs, got the unathletic walk. Just doesn’t look like much of an athlete. Agreed?
"are you like some sort of argumentative robot?"
by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 8:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, he's made some really impressive defensive plays at third
He just hasn’t hit (yet).
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sound like you're advertising the "perfect pushup"
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by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wha?
I just Google image searched that for nothing… his butt and thighs are not that big. How disappointing. Bring up Recker!
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What were your search parameters?
“Jeff Baisley booty”?
by thejd44 on Sep 12, 2008 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL... I gave up and went to scout.com
They have 54 pics of him, despite having about 7 of anybody else.
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try snout.com
Not many pictures of Baisley, but it’s a pretty awesome site.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Jeff Baisley badonkadonk thunder thighs"
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
"are you like some sort of argumentative robot?"
by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only was that ball above Rajai's head...
but it was in the catcher’s glove before he decided to swing.
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 8:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
In other words, by the time he decided to swing
there was undeniable evidence that it really wasn’t a terrific idea.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
jeebus, top of 6th, way behind and late
for me….oh, but its friday. whoppee
alaska A (now in Colorado)
by ak_A on Sep 12, 2008 8:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, co_A
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yo Nico,
test riding mountain bikes tomorrow….so many trails here from urban to single track.
alaska A (now in Colorado)
by ak_A on Sep 12, 2008 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet - welcome to Colorado,
home of…um…Well anyway, welcome to Colorado.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, "The A's are getting shut out again; what a surprise."
You tell us, Ray.
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one
by baseballgirl on Sep 12, 2008 8:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hannahan? Vertical?
Who knew???
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 8:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That was yet another "not good" defensive play by Emil
Misjudged it. That it would carom off the wall, but it one-hopped the wall, and might’ve been playable with a better route to the ball.
"are you like some sort of argumentative robot?"
by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 8:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Emily even trying in the OF?
But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.
by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 8:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Trust me, he's VERY trying.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Wow, what a good job by the pitcher backing up!"
MAYBE SAID PITCHER SHOULDN’T GIVE UP SIX RUNS INSTEAD AND NOT BACK UP!
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one
by baseballgirl on Sep 12, 2008 8:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This team is trying.
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one
by baseballgirl on Sep 12, 2008 8:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, they aren't trying to win.
But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.
by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poor Greg
This bloody late into the season and we still haven’t come up with a decent nickname for him. I got nothin.
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 8:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Greg "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!" Smith
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Nibbles isn't so terrible.
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have "Gerg" too
"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ
by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Gerg
it reminds me of Booby Keilty.
by Flash G on Sep 12, 2008 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, now you're just making me sad, Crosby.
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by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 8:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If I didn't know better, I'd say that last play was actually quite good
(But I know better, so it sucked and he sucks.)
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is SHIT at the play...
then he makes plays like the last one.
But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.
by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Play? PLATE
But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.
by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, he's shit at the play, too
"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ
by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Christ Fosse
It’s not an A’s broadcast until Ray has obsessed about High Def for 3 minutes.
"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ
by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 8:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, it was really fun watching that insect
what, they couldn’t dig up that hot dog footage again?
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Dibs.
But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.
by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How great would it be....
….if you could eat in High-Def? I mean, everything in the world would taste like Dibs!
Don't blame me, I voted for Bill King.
by Englishmajor on Sep 12, 2008 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Ray, that was not a smart play by Emil to not go for the ball.
It was a lazy play by a guy who doesn’t want to be in Oakland.
by mikev on Sep 12, 2008 8:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So Vince says...."Bobby looks very lively tonight"
alaska A (now in Colorado)
by ak_A on Sep 12, 2008 8:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shall we compare Emil and Rajai?
But he came back. And there was much rejoicing.
by Jennifer on Sep 12, 2008 8:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Rajai, I hate Emil.
There you go.
by schmifty on Sep 12, 2008 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why everytime I look up, the bases are loaded again?
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one
by baseballgirl on Sep 12, 2008 8:54 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You must only watch the top halves of innings
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You only look up when Jeff Gray pitches?
"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ
by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is quite difficult to overstate the level of suckitude
that describes this particular baseball team.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 8:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they're probably the worst in the league...seriously
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one
by baseballgirl on Sep 12, 2008 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, I had to put the kids to bed...
did I miss any good news? Oh. Never mind.
A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular.
by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 8:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
[tips hat to Rangers' pitching]
To answer the question posed in another thread, no, I have no plans to go to any games on this homestand. I’ve been to my share of meaningless September games and there are a few good moments, but there are just way, way too many games that turn out like the one before us now.
by Soaker on Sep 12, 2008 9:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It does seem as if the team is doing its best
to diminish our sense of regret at the ending of the season….
Don't blame me, I voted for Bill King.
by Englishmajor on Sep 12, 2008 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking about going to the final game to see the All-Time Oakland A's team be honored.
Do yo think any of those guys will show up?
by jdub69 on Sep 12, 2008 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is the WORLD would watch A's postgame live?
“In-depth on the game tonight”
I don’t need to go in-depth to describe this :-)
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one
by baseballgirl on Sep 12, 2008 9:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Got that cut-and-paste wrapup ready?
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty bad when you can't score against Texas
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by Flashfire on Sep 12, 2008 9:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well we do have that run in 16 innings.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome!
Assuming we shut the Rangers down from this point on, the game will be tied by the 120th inning!
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice job by Gio, at least
Not quite as great as the stat line suggests, but certainly a step in the right direction.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 9:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's my birthday in 30 minutes!
As I mentioned the other night, for my present I want Taylor Teagarden. I mean, I love Zook and everything, but seriously, please, Billy? Please?
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 9:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was actually thinking about Chris Davis
He really impresses me as a hitter, seems to play a solid enough 3B, and the Rangers don’t need him like they need pitching. I wonder if there’s an “Angel-buster” deal that could help both Oakland and Texas.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
All righty then
That stank. I’m glad I decided not to use my ticket.
Don't blame me, I voted for Bill King.
by Englishmajor on Sep 12, 2008 9:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Vote for Bill King
Every vote every day. Whatever would he have said about this team’s showing tonight?
by LibrariAN on Sep 12, 2008 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, there it is.
Nice job, Harrison. My hat’s off. Fucking AAA’s.
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by IowaA'sFan on Sep 12, 2008 9:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You really just have
to tip your hat a pitcher of hard liquor.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dismal in green and gold
The best thing tonight was the crisp white uni’s. Well done, Harrison. Perhaps he’ll pitch for the Athletics some day.
by LibrariAN on Sep 12, 2008 9:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Jesus
I guess I picked the right night to work real late.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Sep 12, 2008 10:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Game wrap will be late tonight
that was depressing.
"Some of the men didn't wait for the women and children to jump off the sinking ship that is our season." - 67MARQUEZ
by notsellingjeans on Sep 12, 2008 10:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just got home, saw the line
Saw that Gio posted a couple good innings… Anybody tell me how he looked tonight? Did he nibble and just get breaks or did he actually have control?
by NateHST on Sep 12, 2008 10:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
he pretty much went after the hitters
throwing 92-93 mph fastballs.
by OaklandSi on Sep 12, 2008 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Gio did a nice job, though
Laird chased a 3-1 pitch that would have been ball four and Hamilton waved at a couple breaking pitches like it was a 7-0 game, so it wasn’t quite as dominant as the stat line looked at the end. Still, a good step forward considering where he’s come from…
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Sep 12, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
just got home from the game
pretty uninspiring.
the highlight was the steak and shriimp plate in the west side club…also seeing some friends. (didn’t see Poppy though…I checked before the game, but once it started my friends and i sunk deep into baseball suckitude.)
There was a big crop circle in the middle of the field. I’ve seen the football marks many times, but don’t remember seeing that big black hole.
speaking of black holes…that was exactly what I said when Bobby Crosby came up to bat with two on and nobody out…
I’ll be there again tomorrow.
by OaklandSi on Sep 12, 2008 10:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It was one of these
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