Aaaaaaaaand, just like that, right back ON the schneid: Tigers 10, A's 2
by monkeyball on Aug 9, 2008 8:20 PM PDT
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PrintThis one started out with a modicum of promise: the Big Hurt knocked a solo HR in the first, and Dan Meyer set the Tigers down in order in the bottom half of the frame.
Unfortunately, in the second inning, the Tigers matched the A's solo HR.
Then, in the third, they exceeded it.
And, in the fourth, they extended their solo HR lead.
The A's had briefly tied it in the top of the third on a Cust RBI single -- and that was it for the A's offense for the evening. They did accumulate 10 hits for the game, but they never clustered them.
And, boy, did the Tigers cluster them in the seventh and eighth.
And there's only so many innings that Brad Ziegler can throw. Embree and DiNardo, the tail end of the A's bullpen that's looking more frayed than Chavvy's right shoulder, surrendered 7 runs over the last two innings, and the game ended up a rout.
In the increasingly desperate and obligatory "little kernels of corn we can pick out of the pile of crap that was this game" segment of Your AN Game Wrap, we can observe that:
- Jack Cust is looking more and more like a ... real ... outfielder; and he hit the ball pretty darn well, to boot (damn! shouldn't say "boot" after praising Cust's fielding ...)
- Meyer didn't look half-bad -- a lot of movement on his pitches, not afraid to challenge hitters -- and if he were 22, you might think ... nah, never mind
- Santiago Casilla, after getting an epic talking-to/stare-down from Bob Geren, looked better than he has since coming back off the DL; unfortunately, "manning up" on the mound despite not having 100% confidence in the stability of your elbow often can have ... uh ... less-than-desirous after-effects
So, rise and shine early tomorrow morning, AN'ers. Reveille is at 10:05 a.m. PDT for the rubber match of the series and a merciful end to this Batless Death March of a road trip.
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Listen to Buan's show and boy howdy am I relieved
Robert told the caller (and us) to just wait for “The Plan” to pan out in 2010 and then we will find out. Until then…no worries, it’s all in the Plan.
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I'm starting to hate Buan as much as Physioc
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
"But be sure to come out to the ballpark in the meantime!"
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Solution to our power problems -- Trade Crosby for Andruw Jones
(Dodgers pay the difference in salary). Give Jones the Rajai treatment until he earns a job like a rookie. If he doesn’t, cut him, and we’re out just what we would have paid Crosby anyway. I doubt we’d offer Crosby arbitration, so there wouldn’t be any loss of draft pick.
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You know, Elias has stats for everything -
Jones must be up there for biggest contrast between best and worst seasons. Which is to say, he’s fallen a tad short of 51 HRs and 128 RBI in 2008.
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Does it matter that it's his walk year?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems like it's more his "strikeout" year
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Other RH power candidates -- budget version -- DH
Frank Thomas
Moises Alou
Brent Clevlen
Richie Sexson
Nelson Cruz
Jose Guillen
Elijah Dukes
Milton Bradley
Mat Gamel
Steven Pearce
Scott Hairston
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
See...
We have money. We “could” spend some. Maybe look to acquire a real offensive player that could be with us through the ‘09 suck and lead us in our ‘10,’11,’12 charge then be gone by the time we need to start shelling out cash to the kids. Too bad such a bat probably doesn’t really exist.
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Manny!
I’ll continue my Manny! campaign until he signs somewhere.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone else to consider?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
From that group?
Alou, Sexson: Horrible
Bradley, Guillen: Not likely to be signed again by Oakland.
Dukes, Cruz, Gamel: I’d be surprised if any of them are dealt.
Hairson, Pearce: Underwhelming.
So it's Clevlen or Frank?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
BTW you don't have to stick to this group
If you have a better idea…...
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Troy Glaus has an 11.5mil player option for 2009
He can declare free agency.
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Wow I totally missed him!
Would 5/$70M be enough? Would you do that? FWIW PECOTA thinks of him as a lot more risky than Manny, but he plays 3B.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
He's my "holy grail" - a true masher
from the right side who would improve the lineup immensely. He’s turning 32. I’d certainly go 4 years – don’t know about 5 – and look at him primarily as a DH, plus insurance for Chavez (or whomever might replace him). Glaus is not a good 3Bman and as he gets older his health will be more likely to sustain if he only DHs. I think he’d be worth a substantial investment even as a DH, because the A’s need power and adding Glaus would enable them to focus on getting a leadoff hitter, high average hitter, etc. in filling other positions.
But imagining Chavez coming back at 3B for a moment (since that’s still “Plan A”), look at this:
Sweeney/Cunningham – RF
Cust – LF
Chavez – 3B
Glaus – DH
Gonzalez – CF
Suzuki – C
Ellis – 2B
Barton – 1B
Crosby – SS
It already looks a lot closer to respectable. Now sign Furcal and…
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I wouldn't consider a guy with a .422 SLG in the minors much of a power threat
Clevlen doesn’t excite me at all.
by thejd44 on Aug 10, 2008 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
So that leaves Frank?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
In favor of who? Eveland?
I can’t think of anyone else at the moment.
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Patterson?
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh that makes sense - we're short a bench player anyway
and it’s an infielder.
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Kirk Saarloos
His AAA stats aren’t great, but I suspect he’s a darn sight better than DiNardo. And he’s got the major league experience.
I get the feeling he's more "AAA filler"
at this point than he is someone they’re considering for a callup. Could be wrong, though.
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It's rather stunning how bad Tyler Walker is
Possibly worse than Embree and even DiNardo – and yet he’s still pretty much the Giants’ set-up man. He is really unbelievably bad.
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and yet their future, from an objective POV, looks just as bright as the Athletics'
"Do you know that the guy really doesn't like baseball all that much?" - J.P. Riccardi
Not really
Their only real prospects are all low minors guys. The A’s have players ready now and will continue to have an influx of top tier prospects for the next 3-4 years. The Giants won’t have those guys coming in for at least that much time.
The A’s can compete in 2009. I don’t think the Giants are a .500 team before 2011 without some smart free agent spending.
by thejd44 on Aug 10, 2008 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll take the Giants dearth pitching prospects + their current young aces
over what the A’s have any day.
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by black beane on Aug 10, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
He's not worse than Embree or DiNardo
He’s definitely not worse than Embree, only in the sense that DiNardo doesn’t pitch real innings that matter. Embree, on the other hand, is used in important situations and he’s much much worse.
by thejd44 on Aug 10, 2008 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Woo hoo! (As I talk to myself, Cutthemullet style)
Tampa Bay puts up a 6-spot to take a 7-5 lead over Seattle. S-s-s-sssssmokin’!!!!!
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From A's to seas
That’s gotta be rough on the ol’ GPA.
Meanwhile…Chris Carter hits his 33rd HR for Stockton tonight. Happy thoughts! Happy thoughts! Cardenas went 2 for 4 for Midland…Pennington’s 3 for 3 for Sacramento and Murton’s 2 for 4 with 3 RBI. It’s all good.
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is there such a thing as AAAA or just just guys that don't get enough
time in majors to try?
Cust was thought to be AAAA. but he’s a high value offensive player.
some guys never seem to get a chance at the majors (murton, patterson, etc…) and some guys are given too many chances (i’m looking at you crosby).
why not give some of these guys a larger sample size of chances?
I definitely think some guys get stuck behind major leaguers
at the same position, e.g. Andy LaRoche, where their age/inexperience may not be reflective of their suitability for the big leagues. That happened to a large degree with Murton, once the Cubs acquired Soriano and then Fukodome. With someone like Patterson, it may be more the lack of plus defense at any position that robbed him of chances to prove his bat, especially being in the NL where DHing wasn’t even a possibility.
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let's call them all up in September...
and make a push for the division.
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note to self
If I find myself reading and posting on AN after the game, on Saturday night, after a loss, in a loosing season, whilst watching and surfing the cable tv channels at the same time…. might as well move back to Alaska.
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But..But when I heard you were moving to Colorado
I thought, “Oh joyful day! We’re practically next door neighbors now – we’ll have lunch once a week, just like old times!” Then I remembered we never had lunch once a week before, and thought, “Well that’s good – I don’t have time for lunch.”
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Grrr...Boo, Seattle - tying up Tampa Bay with 2 in the 8th,
still batting 7-7…
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"Just one pitch" says Geren of Embree (SF Chron)
Embree has allowed 21 runs over his past 26 innings, an ERA of 7.27 since May 13, and both he and Geren said afterward it seems to be just one pitch each time that gets him. Embree said he feels great physically and he’s throwing the ball better than he did last year.
Throwing batting practice better than ever.
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
I'm beginning to doubt Geren
as a manager. That little bit with Sweeney at the end of the game really pissed me off. I have a gut feeling that Eddings was, “putting the rookie in his place” with those calls. That Geren would allow a third party to cuff one of his own around is a bit much to take.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
Geren seems to have an excuse for everything.
If you read his comments in a vacuum, you’d have no idea the A’s are playing 3-18 baseball.
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3-20. I count the last two Angels games.
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmm...
he gives up more than one run in several outings and they’re saying it’s only ONE pitch? Really? Um… REALLY? I don’t mind if he stays on the roster, but can we have him not pitch unless we’re already out of it? Wait, bad idea, that would have him starting games for us.
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Maybe he's saying he only has one pitch
And it sucks.
by thejd44 on Aug 10, 2008 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder how much Ellis' stock is affected by
Orlando Hudson breaking his wrist, out for the season and may need surgery. That makes him a riskier FA signing than he was two days ago.
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I guess that comes down to
how many teams need a defensive 2nd baseman who won’t excel with a bat, but also won’t embarass himself either.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
Diamondbacks may want Ellis now, unless they're satisfied with Chris Burke and Augie Ojeda
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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
So might the Dodgers, Twins, Brewers...
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