A's win 4-2 as Ziggy shines in closer debut
by notsellingjeans on Aug 8, 2008 6:45 PM PDT
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The A's ensured that they wouldn't close the year on a 58-game losing streak by beating the host Tigers 4-2 Friday night.
Dallas Braden threw seven very good innings, hitting his spots and walking only one while striking out two. Braden will probably never be big strikeout guy in the big leagues since he lacks eye-popping stuff, but certainly he's improved as a pitcher in the last 12 months.
When you don't throw very hard, sometimes you can get beat even when you make good pitches, and that explains the only blemish on Braden's line tonight. Marcus Thames crushed a ball about 440 feet to straight away center to stake the Tigers to a 2-0 lead in the second inning, but it wasn't a bad pitch. It was right around the knees and it was on the outside corner.
On the offensive end, the A's took the lead in the fifth with a 3-run rally. Rajai Davis, who cracked the lineup due to Ryan Sweeney and Jack Cust's minor injuries, had a two-run single, and Mark Ellis eventually followed with a run-scoring single to make it 3-2.
In the sixth, Emil Brown tacked on an insurance run with a solo bomb.
But like any bad journalist, I've saved the real story for last, buried at the bottom: Brad Ziegler.
Ziegler shined in his closer debut, pitching both the eighth and the ninth innings and extending his record scoreless inning streak to begin a career to 37. We're not too far from needing this sheet for reference, so I'm gonna link to it now. That's all the pitchers in history who have thrown 40 consecutive scoreless innings or more. There's only 21 of them, led of course by Orel Hershiser at 59.
Awesome win, and I think we're all incredibly happy for Brad Ziegler and the wonderful story of never giving up that he represents. That, to me, is unquestionably the highlight of the A's season.
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He's had it ready for 11 days
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I think this is the fastest I've ever seen a post-game AN wrap-up go up.
Nice :]
A’S WIN!!!!! Wonder if the whole team got some slump-busters…
Stuck on Buck :)
Ziggy rocks
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
The list...misspelled Ziggy's name...
I before E, except after C people, can’t be that hard.
I see the future. I see cake.
I don't beLIEve you
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Neither does my nEIghbor.
"I'm going to take a camera crew and march into Billy Beane's office and demand to know why instituting his newfangled cost-saving measures means that the run manufacturing plant had to get shut down." FJM
Well, it can be with names that clearly come from another language
What’s the rule in German (just assuming that’s what the name is. Looks very German)? I don’t know the language so I can’t say, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the English “I before E” rule came from a Germanic language.
by thejd44 on Aug 8, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm confused. I forgot what this felt like.
And Ziggy Rocks of course.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
A's win!
The pennant’s within reach! I can feel it!
A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular.
AL
Brad Zeigler
Oakland
27.0
05-31-2008
Active
baseball almanac needs an update
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Got McQuillan's name wrong, too
(though it’s correct at the linked page)
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
Handel
So hot right now.
Handel.
"Innings eater? Depends on whether you want delicious innings or burnt, moldy innings. Kirk Saarloos is the Hot Pockets of inning eaters." - Gallagher's Watermelons
by notsellingjeans on Aug 8, 2008 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Earth to Matilda!
Helloooooo…hellooooooo…
"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox
by Gallagher's Watermelons on Aug 9, 2008 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions
And props for using my quote in the sig
Thanks! :D
"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox
by Gallagher's Watermelons on Aug 9, 2008 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Our Ziggy is King of Sling.
Forever. And ever.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Aug 9, 2008 3:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Wikipedia, on the other hand, is already updated.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
wikipedia updates before real life
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
I'll take the 'blame' for that
I also wrote up the summary of his minor league times. Just waiting for all of his stats to update so I can tweak the ones there to get the batting average and such.
Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog
Good job.
I trust you were as indignant as I was when, a while back, someone recommended some Wikipedia pages as a fun place to post A’s related jokes.
The true Wiki spirit is an awesome thing.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
ZIGGY STARDUST.
The A’s new closer. Now, all we need to do, guys, is to have a lead into the ninth. (Hate to see Zig-Zag have to go two innings too often.)
Anyway, Ziggy Stop (not unlike Iggy Pop) once again gave up ziltch.
Hmmm, as I formulate Ziegler’s nickname for the ages (Stardust, Zig-Zag, ad nauseam), perhaps Ziggy Zilch is ze winner!
Thank goodness we’re in the win column. Everything tastes, looks, smells a whole lot better.
Holy Toledo!!!
I hope Geren uses him at least until he finally allows a run. You have to ride the hot hand.
Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog
I agree, but also think he probably shouldn't pitch tomorrow
It would be three days in a row and four out of five (with two of those being 2 inning stints). I know his throwing style probably makes him a little more “rubber arm” than most, but we’re 54-61; let’s not push our luck with the health of any of our key pieces.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Right. At the same time I doubt him serving as the closer will result in a lot of work these days.
Though he did feel like they’re capable of winning 8 of 9 if they can just get the first one. Optimism is good!
Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog
Since I've been in Japan without my wife, I've had to ride the hot hand as well
One more week….
I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball
BTW, Ken said Cunningham has been promoted to Sacramento
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
good news
but how many OF are in sacto now?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
Yay Aaron!
Buck, Cunningham, Denorfia and Murton….plus Putnam if you count him.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Aug 8, 2008 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Buck still DL/unconscious/comatose/dead?
That would leave only four.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Right so they can all play if one DH.
milb.com lists Buck twice, once as Active and once as 7-day DL. He’s not in the lineup tonight.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Aug 8, 2008 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sorry I broke him.
Stuck on Buck :)
by GreenNGoldGirl on Aug 8, 2008 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Is he sorry?
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Aug 8, 2008 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
So I clicked your user name
Then your myspace. And this absolutely killed me:
☮cathBUCK☮ in total, utter, head-over-heels, mind blowing, fuck inspiring, knee BUCKling love with her man, travis buck :)
by thejd44 on Aug 8, 2008 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL!!!
I’m gonna be honest, I had totally forgotten about that. I think I posted that like, last July haha
Stuck on Buck :)
by GreenNGoldGirl on Aug 8, 2008 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
He's listed in Midland
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Good
Since he can’t hit…
"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox
by Gallagher's Watermelons on Aug 9, 2008 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions
In honor of Ziggy
Original lyrics here.
Original sounds here.
Sub-mission
I got a submarine closer for you, baby
I feel the way you’re flailing
He’ll hit the corner with his 2-seam
Another offense failing
Sub-mission
You’re grounding out, out
You’re gonna ground out
Sub-mission
Ziggy’s gonna shut you out
You haven’t yet gone deep, baby
You can’t figure out his submarine stuff
You still can’t solve his mystery
His GB/FB keeps goin’ up
Sub-mission
You’re grounding out, out
You’re gonna ground out
Sub-mission
Ziggy’s gonna shut you out
Cause there’s another DP
Hit down to Crosby
6-4-3
Inning over
Sub-mission
You’re grounding out, out
You’re gonna ground out
Sub-mission
Ziggy’s gonna shut you out
Now there’s a comebacker
He’ll toss it to Barton
Overhand.
Ha ha ha!
You haven’t yet gone deep, baby
You can’t figure out his submarine stuff
You still can’t solve his mystery
His GB/FB keeps goin’ up
Sub-mission
You’re grounding out, out
You’re gonna ground out
Sub-mission
Ziggy’s gonna shut you out
Sub-mission
Sub-mission
Grounding out, out
GIDP
Grounding out, out
6-4-3
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
AHHH!! THE SEX PISTOLSS!
+100
Stuck on Buck :)
by GreenNGoldGirl on Aug 8, 2008 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Never Mind the Losses, It's...
They want to steal the land papers which is why they have tried to break in. But they had to give up after being bitten by Chhotu.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Aug 8, 2008 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
...the Sacto Pistols?
"And Julio Franco is batting right-handed!" -- Wayne Hagin, A's radio play-by-play, mid-80s
Rotoworld seems to think we beat the Giants just now
they say so in both he Rajai Davis and Dallas Braden blurbs.
facepalm.jpg
Not to be lost in all this: they beat Kenny Rogers
Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog
A's...win?
They want to steal the land papers which is why they have tried to break in. But they had to give up after being bitten by Chhotu.
They what?
But seriously, woo-hoo!!!!
(Formerly Nobody Girl)
"We are a complete freak show." -- Billy Beane
Yeah, should count as two wins.
Beating Rogers oughta count DOUBLE. Granted, he’s a 43-year-old, but he’s still a tough mother. Makes a sweet victory even sweeter.
Holy Toledo!!!
Shut my mouth
I didn’t think we stood a chance against Rogers. Of course it would be Davis, the seldom used benchie, who comes up with the big hit and Ellis, who I’ve been ragging on for weeks, is the one who puts us ahead.
"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin
AND LET US NOT FORGET ...
... although it was a completely different team, we won 20 in a row … let’s do it again in the memory of Bill King. Okay, maybe I’m a dreamer, and its one game at a time, but what a lovely thought. Of course the Halos need to lose 19 out of 20. And that ain’t ever gonna happen.
Holy Toledo!!!
So much for...
...”we’re gonna lose because Kenny Rogers is pitching for them and Dallas Braden is pitching for us”.
Read that sentiment in some thread before the game.
"If I've got baggage, he's got a whole set of Louis Vuitton." ~ Milton Bradley on Barry Bonds
Ridiculous -
We’re going to lose because we suck, not because of the pitching matchup!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
What would be funny...
...is if Braden has already begun the slow but sure development into a good pitcher, and next June we all realize… hey, he’s 9-4 with a 3.50 ERA.
"If I've got baggage, he's got a whole set of Louis Vuitton." ~ Milton Bradley on Barry Bonds
I enjoyed watching the Olympics opening ceremony
but it was nice to see that the A’s ended that ugly losing streak
Great job Ziggy
I forgot what a win was like! And the offense is on absolute fire right now. 8 runs in two games. I had a good feeling about this game, so I’m glad it played out well. Now, let’s win the series.
Might as well Jump! - Van Halen
Awesome win!
Braden has impressed me so far, and congrats to Ziggy again for dominating!
Prince: This bores me. Is anyone up for a game of basketball?
Very nice.
So this is what it feels like to not be pissed off.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
Blanton pitched a gem tonight -
7 IP, 1 hit, 0 ER, but the Phils lost 1-0 in 12.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Life in the NL
It’s a beautiful thing!
That’s what blows my mind about 30 teams scoffing at Huston Street and Justin Duchscherer. Duke would kick ass in the NL. I don’t care that his fastball isn’t impressive. You don’t need an impressive fastball to dominate the NL. Someone should’ve been willing to fork over some good prospects.
"Innings eater? Depends on whether you want delicious innings or burnt, moldy innings. Kirk Saarloos is the Hot Pockets of inning eaters." - Gallagher's Watermelons
by notsellingjeans on Aug 8, 2008 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Small Sample Size
And DiPS. They’re beautiful things.
Cupcakes’ FIP and xFIP with the As: 4.17, 4.58. Cupcakes FIP and xFIP with the Phillies: 6.23, 5.98.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
I guess
I’d imagine that’s skewed slightly by his first start there, which was very bad.
It’s hard to argue that his two best starts of the season have come in his last two starts.
"Innings eater? Depends on whether you want delicious innings or burnt, moldy innings. Kirk Saarloos is the Hot Pockets of inning eaters." - Gallagher's Watermelons
by notsellingjeans on Aug 9, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't it 2-0?
I pick the nits off your goats
I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball
just caught the tail end of the drummer's
part of the opening ceremony. fitting celebration tone for tonight’s A’s win.
alaska A
It's 10:50
I’ve been watching since 6:30. VERY AWESOME stuff. I cried. I laughed. My mind was blown.
Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows
Hmm...Bit of a tough return for Ian Kennedy:
2 IP, 9 hits, 5 ER (so far), 1 BB, 1 K.
You wonder if maybe, just shmaybe, he isn’t major league material?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Also for Barry Zito
Then again, that’s not really news any more, is it? It’s more news when he doesn’t give up more five runs or more.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Aug 8, 2008 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
It's wierd to think that Kennedy was "untouchable"
in a Johan Santana trade proposal.
Kennedy, Melky Cabrera and Robinson Cano for Santana…you think the Yankees would do that now if they could go back in time?
"Innings eater? Depends on whether you want delicious innings or burnt, moldy innings. Kirk Saarloos is the Hot Pockets of inning eaters." - Gallagher's Watermelons
by notsellingjeans on Aug 8, 2008 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Cashman isn't the type
who makes determinations on players based on no more than half a season; or in Kennedy’s case, a determination based on 56.7 MLB IP by a 23 year old pitcher spread over 2 seasons.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
No but he has a minor league career too. I see nothing that says trading him for
Santana would be a bad idea, even with Cano and Cabrera.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
His minor league career is pretty good.
But really the issue isn’t Kennedy. It is Cano. Cano is a 25 year old 2b who plays good D, and who prior to this season had OPS+ of 126 and 120 at ages 23 and 24.
This trade that NSJ is talking about isn’t just a matter of trading prospects, even good ones, especially pitching prospects who often get injured etc, for Santana.
Cano is a (very) young vet with very good production in MLB who plays a .
Also, CC is an FA after 2008. The Yankees can go blow their boatload of cash on him, AND keep Cano.
The suggestion that the Yanks should have included Cano in a packge for Santana is like the suggestions among certain Mets fans / followers prior to the Santana trade, that they should include Reyes in a package for Santana.
Finally, here are Cano’s month by month OPS and BABIP numbers in 2008 from April:
446, 156
765, 295
718, 284
847, 337
984, 313.
Cano was in a horrific slump to start the season, caused at least in part by a BABIP that wasn’t going to stay that low.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
Cano is certainly a good player and the rare underrated Yankee, but Santana
is a perennial CYA contender and future HOF. The CC plan is certainly a good one but, 1) They may or may not get him; and 2) They need five starters, so they can potentially have both Johan and CC. In fact they might have a better chance at CC if they had Johan.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree - the Yankees need ace pitching
As a Yankee hater, I’m thrilled that they haven’t brought Santana or another front-line starter to New York because with or without Cano they have plenty to win behind a good pitcher. How a $200million team trots Rasner, Ponson, and Geise out there is beyond me.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Every team needs 5 starters.
Should every team blow all their resources on acquiring 5 starting pitchers? Especially since the Yanks have 3 decent or better pitching prospects almost ready.
Shouldn’t the RS have traded for Santana too? They need 5 starters too.
Also, the Yanks could have traded for CC. Given that the Indians took prospects, not any established major leaguer like Cano for him, the Yanks could likely have beaten the LaPorta package if they had wanted to.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
Yes the Red Sox should have traded for Santana, if all they had to beat was
the Mets’ offer. I’m not sure who the Twins got in that deal that they’ll actually want in two years.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Cano ~ Reyes
Kinda just ruined your argument there.
Reyes has a much better contract, and he also plays a much harder position to fill adequately. He’s also just better.
There were no available passable shortstops for a front-line team this past offseason. On the other hand if we look at second base…
-The Yankees could’ve taken a relatively inexpensive flyer on Alexei Ramirez, who now looks like the steal of last year’s FA market.
-They could’ve thrown money at Kaz Matsui.
-They could’ve explored buying Ray Durham’s contract from the Giants for a lower-tier prospect or two.
-They could’ve signed Tadahito Iguchi, who ended up signing a 4MM, one year deal in SD.
There are obviously varying degrees of skill and performance there. But all are considered passable starting second basemen. There were no equivalent available players who play a passable shortstop available this past offseason.
If the Yanks had ponied up for Rowand or Torii Hunter, and had acquired one of those four second basemen, that would’ve freed them up to trade Cano/Melky/Kennedy for Santana. That team would’ve been a playoff team. Their current incarnation is not. They should’ve spent the money.
If there’s any team that should be willing to trade some cost-controlled regulars for pitching, it’s the Yankees. They can afford to buy their replacements in FA. They can’t do the same with pitching, because once pitching has hit the FA market, it’s usually too old to be a good investment.
Instead, they’re stuck with a light-hitting CF and no available CFs on the FA market this upcoming year. And they won’t make the playoffs.
"Innings eater? Depends on whether you want delicious innings or burnt, moldy innings. Kirk Saarloos is the Hot Pockets of inning eaters." - Gallagher's Watermelons
by notsellingjeans on Aug 9, 2008 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
WTF?
You’re comparing Kaz Matsui / Ray Durham to Robinson Cano?
Are you even freaking serious?
I repeat Robinson Cano is a 25 year old 2b coming off years of a 128 and 120 OPS+ at ages 23 and 24. He plays good D.
Let’s compare Reyes and Cano using EQA 2006-2008, since Reyes broke out in 2006;
Reyes: 289, 276, 297
Cano: 289, 275, 237.
EQA includes baserunning, so it doesn’t underrate Reyes.
Reyes WAS NOT better in previous years. He was only better, because he plays SS and Cano 2b. And it isn’t as if 2b is 1b or corner OF.
As for Cano’s freaking contract: 08:$3M, 09:$6M, 10:$9M, 11:$10M, 12:$14M club option ($2M buyout), 13:$15M club option ($2M buyout).
Jose Reyes’ contract: 08:$4M, 09:$5.75M, 10:$9M,
11:$11M club option ($0.5M buyout)
Yes, Alexei Ramirez is a steal. And how many people, other than Kenny Williams knew this?
Trading Cano for Santana MIGHT make them a playoff team this year. WHAT THE FARK about next year? You do freaking realise that Robinson Cano is still ONLY 25 this year, YES?
You do realise that Robinson Cano is a good defensive 2b who put up OPS+ above 120 at ages 23 and 24 yes?
WTF has signing Rowand / Hunter got to do with not trading Cano? They could have kept Cano and signed Rowand.
Answer me this, should the Boston RS have trade Pedroia for Santana, in a package. Cano is better than Pedrioa.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
Did you really miss the point I was making there with Rowand/Hunter?
Really? You missed it?
"Innings eater? Depends on whether you want delicious innings or burnt, moldy innings. Kirk Saarloos is the Hot Pockets of inning eaters." - Gallagher's Watermelons
by notsellingjeans on Aug 9, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
You said,
“If the Yanks had ponied up for Rowand or Torii Hunter, and had acquired one of those four second basemen, that would’ve freed them up to trade Cano/Melky/Kennedy for Santana. That team would’ve been a playoff team. Their current incarnation is not. They should’ve spent the money.”
and
“Instead, they’re stuck with a light-hitting CF and no available CFs on the FA market this upcoming year”
Keeping Cano did not preclude them from signing Rowand / Hunter.
Also, this “They can’t do the same with pitching, because once pitching has hit the FA market, it’s usually too old to be a good investment.” makes no freaking sense when you consider the contract that the Mets signed Santana to, and that Santana is OLDER than CC
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
The point...
was that a trade package of Cano/Melky/Kennedy for Santana would have been accepted by the Twins, reportedly. The Yanks shot that down. And my point was, had the Yanks accepted that deal and filled the two voids with money – the Yanks’ greatest leverage over the rest of MLB – they’ve have a playoff spot this year.
I get that they could’ve kept Cano and signed Rowand/Hunter, I do. But an offer of Melky and Kennedy for Santana wouldn’t have gotten it done.
That’s why you’d need to fill their two roles – CF and 2b. That’s why Rowand/Hunter entered the discussion. That’s how they’re related to Cano.
CC wasn’t an option for them in ‘08. And we’re talking about a playoff berth in ‘08.
I know who Austin Jackson is. I also know he’d make a great trade chip if the Yankees had signed Rowand or Hunter.
"Innings eater? Depends on whether you want delicious innings or burnt, moldy innings. Kirk Saarloos is the Hot Pockets of inning eaters." - Gallagher's Watermelons
by notsellingjeans on Aug 10, 2008 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, I suggest
you take a look at Austin Jackson’s numbers in AA.
Hint, Trenton is a pitcher’s park.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
BABIP
We can’t just give him an April mulligan because of his .156 BABIP. His BABIP was that low in part because…he was making terrible contact!
"Innings eater? Depends on whether you want delicious innings or burnt, moldy innings. Kirk Saarloos is the Hot Pockets of inning eaters." - Gallagher's Watermelons
by notsellingjeans on Aug 9, 2008 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
And where did I say that we give a mulligan
to Cano for that April BABIP?
What I said “caused at least in part by a BABIP that wasn’t going to stay that low.”
Do you seriously assume that Cano’s “true” talent level going forward is a 156 BABIP?
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
Please turn out on Tuesday, August 12 to welcome these poor kids home!
HOORAY! So psyched that we won, and that Huston was riding the pine.
Now regardless of what happens over the next few days, let’s turn out in numbers on Tuesday to show these kids we still give a crap. They’ll need the support fer sure.
Ziggy
If you follow that link to the list of pitchers with 40 or more consecutive scoreless innings, it looks like everyone (else) on the list is a starting pitcher. It’s hard to know for sure with some of the pitchers from 80 or so years ago, but it seems like back then all the good pitchers were starters and tended to finish the game. So if he keeps it up, then Ziggy could at least hold the record for relievers. It seems it’s probably harder to string together perhaps two dozen appearances of being “on” and holding teams scoreless than to string together 5 or 6 games as a starter and do it (though it’s still very impressive to not be scored upon for so many innings as a starter).
Was thinking about this.
Anyone know what the record is for more consecutive appearances without giving up a run? He’s got to be getting close to that, right?
And he has appeared at the ballpark every day since his callup!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
That's gotta be a record, right?
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
by Leopold Bloom on Aug 9, 2008 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Chris Carter so far tonight for Stockton:
2 for 2 with his 32nd HR.
Please mature quickly!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
1 for 2 with a walk - still awesome
I am very excited about him. Eveland 5.1 IP, 9 hits, 4 runs, 2 ER last I checked.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'm wondering if maybe they should move Eveland to the bullpen or shut him down
He’s better than he’s pitched lately.
by thejd44 on Aug 8, 2008 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't shut him down - he needs to gain command
and he’ll only do that by pitching. Whether he’s better than he’s pitched is a matter of opinion. I think he’s a 5th starter, and that’s about how he’s pitched following a strong start when the league hadn’t seen him.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
What if he's hurting?
What if he’s Gaudin II?
I think he should be shut down, too. Even if it’s just for two weeks. Sometimes guys aren’t fully honest about their health, and sometimes guys don’t even know their pitching hurt.
But an argument against shutting down is if, as Devo astutely suggested, the team is planning on calling him back up before August 22 to perserve the final option year on him. (If he’s in the minors for less than 20 days, he doesn’t burn an option).
"Innings eater? Depends on whether you want delicious innings or burnt, moldy innings. Kirk Saarloos is the Hot Pockets of inning eaters." - Gallagher's Watermelons
by notsellingjeans on Aug 8, 2008 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Your comment in parenthesis
Are you sure about this? I thought the 20 days thing was only related to rehab assignments.
by thejd44 on Aug 8, 2008 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Sons of Sam Horn has this to say:
“An option is not used when a player spends less than 20 days on an optional assignment in the entire season. So if a player spends only a few days down on the farm, it does not burn one of his three options.”
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/wiki/index.php/MLB_Rules_and_Procedures#Player_Options
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting
And, I believe, you can’t recall a player in less than 10 days unless he’s replacing a player who just went on the DL.
by thejd44 on Aug 9, 2008 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
They say that too.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Do they say who should handle my supplemental insurance needs?
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
by Leopold Bloom on Aug 9, 2008 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
that company that gives out cash
which is just as good as money.
Where if you get hurt and miss work, it won’t hurt to miss work….
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
Isn't he our new DH?
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
by Leopold Bloom on Aug 9, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh nice I didnt even see Cunningham
was promoted. Cant wait to have that RH bat in our lineup next year.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
I'll tell you what's a little scary -
Torii Hunter and Howie Kendrick are both 4 for 4 tonight and both have season OPS of about .830-.840 (Kendrick is also now batting .332).
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
There are two good things that can come out of the Angel game
1) Frankie won’t get a save unless the Yankees score 2 runs
2) Even though I hate the Angels, I am rotting for TB to win their Division and knock one of the Evil Empires out
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
Make that rooting
not rotting
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
I'm rooting for the Angels straight up -
Keep the Yanks out of the playoffs and 2008 wasn’t all bad. As for LAA winning, I figure let them have their year this year, have everything go right, and have everything go wrong in 2009. Works for me.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'd rather see the Yankees win the World Series than the Angels
But maybe that’s because I’m now surrounded by obnoxious, brand-new-fan smelling Angel fans.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Aug 8, 2008 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't want the Angels to win it all
I want them to be bumped out in the first round by Tampa Bay, Chicago, or Minnesota. Likely they’ll be matched up against the wild card winner, which certainly could be Boston, Minnesota, or Chicago. I’ll root for any of those against LAA, even Boston.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'd root for pretty much every team
over the Angels. And I’ll admit, I didn’t really feel that way until 2002. It was all hatred for the Yankees and Giants until that point. Winning a championship makes you annoying as hell apparently, i.e. Red Sox fans from 2004 on. I can only hope that if the Cubs happen to win it this year their fans don’t follow the same path.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Aug 8, 2008 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm torn between rooting for the Cubs, Rays and Brewers
After that I’m not really concerned who wins.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Fark 'em both. Let's get back to .500 and then look around.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
Cunningham AAA debut update:
2 for 3 with a HR and a double, and two walks.
Eveland finished his night with 6 IP, 9 hits, 4 runs, 2 ER, 1 BB – good on the control, bad on the “being hittable by AAA guys”. I guess for him, though, it’s a good thing – he’s down there to throw strikes.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Agreed
He should just concentrate on figuring out how to get his stuff over for strikes. He seemed to have good stuff to me, just no command of it.
by Tyler Bleszinski on Aug 8, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Hes got a 91-93MHP Fastball
for a Lefty thats above average. He needs command of it. His breaking stuff looked good earlier in the year.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Any word on his velocity tonight?
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I live in New York.
So no. :)
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
It wasn't all the rage in New York?
Shame on the New York media.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Another minor league note
Rashun Dixon started in LF tonight and hit another HR. Chris Berroa, one of the new signees, debuted and went 1-3 with an OF assist. Leyja also went 1-3. Also, Richie Robnett was demoted to AA which is interesting because he owns a 40-man roster spot.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Dixon is a stud down there.
Hope his skills translate as he moves up.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
I'd think Robnett would come back to Sacramento when an OF comes up to Oakland
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Robnett
He’s going to have to actually hit the ball first, because Javiar Herrera has finally found his stroke in AA and could be another candidate for a call-up.
I think at this point Robnett is gasping for his last breaths as a prospect and I can’t imagen he will be left on the 40 man roster this offseason.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 9, 2008 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions
No deal made for Street.
Claimed on waivers, no trade, Street isn’t going anywhere (until the offseason)
Question
Waivers have always confused the hell out of me. How exactly do waivers work?
Stuck on Buck :)
by GreenNGoldGirl on Aug 8, 2008 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Long story short -- and this is only for post-deadline waivers
Team A (Oakland) places a player on waivers (Street). The waiver period is 48 hours. If a team claims him during that 48 hour period, then the two teams have an additional 48 hours to negotiate a trade. If no deal is made, the player is pulled back from waivers and remains with the original team.
It gets a little more complicated if multiple teams claim a guy. For the sake of argument, we’ll say that 4 teams claim him. For fun, we’ll say the Dodgers, Mets, Tigers, and Rays are the 4 teams.
The team who wins the waiver claim is the team lowest in the standings that plays in the same league as Oakland. That means in our scenario LA and the Mets are out, because the Tigers and Rays are in the AL. The Tigers would then “win” the claim because they’ve got a worse record than Tampa.
That means that Oakland and Detroit had 48 hours to negotiate a trade for Street. If no deal was made, Street stays in Oakland just like what actually happened. An alternate scenario would be that the team just decides to let the claiming team have the player, in which case the whole contract is taken by the claiming team (this is what happened with Loaiza and the Dodgers).
Make sense?
Risk
There is also a risk to claiming a player. Lots of teams claim players that they have no intention in trading for just to keep another team in the same division from getting that player. The risk is that the team putting the player on waivers might let the claiming team have that player, and the claiming team would have to pick up his entire contract.
This happened last year when the Dodgers claimed Loaiza off of waivers from the A’s. Loaiza’s contract was horrible, and I guarantee that the Dodgers (an organization that prides it’s self of being payroll neutral) currently regrets having to pay Loaiza over 8 million to stink it up, because they wanted to keep him away from the D-Backs a year ago.
The rumor is that it was the Indians who claimed Street, with no intention of trading for him, to keep him away from the Tigers, Twins, and Chicago.
Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.
by Threepwood XX on Aug 9, 2008 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm a little surprised that the Indians wouldn't want to at least attempt to work out a deal
They could use the bullpen help.
by thejd44 on Aug 9, 2008 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions
but, really...
why wouldn’t they put in a claim? They know Beane won’t let him go for nothing. So, a claim prevents the other teams above them from even negotiating. They know they’re not going to win this year, so why would they even want to work out a deal? They’ll just wait until the offseason and after he blows 4 more saves, they’ll try to buy low.
Ahhh… but, Billy is too smart for that. He ain’t gonna let Street sniff another blown save opportunity this season. Geren has orders… Street only in the 9th with a 3-run lead. Otherwise, we’ll see Ziggy or Devine. Smart guy, that Billy… keeping a horrible closer away from 1-run save situations.
Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb
I don't see why they'd put in a claim just to keep him away from their division rivals.
The Indians are not a contender this year and cannot prevent the Tigers, Twins and White Sox from trading for Street in the off-season if the want to. If anything those teams are likely to give up more for Street now, given his potential utility in the 2008 pennant chase, which would actually help the Indians in 2009 and 2010.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey, if multiple teams claimed Street, they could still make a deal...
Nothing personal, Huston. I’m just agreeing with the growing movement that thinks that closers are overrated. Besides, you can’t close games with a 1 run lead…
"...Butler going back...he can't make the catch! One run scores, Weiss scores, it's a double for Moore!" - Lon Simmons
by Mike Moore Batting Cleanup on Aug 8, 2008 11:33 PM PDT reply actions
Mulitple cant claim him.
Whoever has priority gets to try to make a deal. If they cant hes off waivers and cant be put back on. Im pretty sure thats right.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Well, technically multiple teams can claim him
But it only “counts” for the one (check mikev’s explanation above for who gets to be that one). As far as I know, it works like this: teams are informed of which players are on waivers, then they decide to put in claims for players they want (or want to block other teams from getting). They don’t actually know if other teams are claiming. It’s not like they go “Ok, Seattle, want him? Cleveland? Kansas City?”
by thejd44 on Aug 9, 2008 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
What I ment was only one team and negotiate.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
One team "Can" Negotiate
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Great Day for the East Bay...
Braden dominates the Kittens and the Raiders kick the shit out of the Whiners. It’s like order in the universe has been restored.
Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb
I feel like AN is probably going to be a difficult place for me to be now that football season has started
by thejd44 on Aug 9, 2008 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions
only if you're a Whiner fan...
;-)
Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb
Good thing I'm a Jaguars fan then
LOL
"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox
by Gallagher's Watermelons on Aug 9, 2008 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not so sure it's a good thing...
being a fan of a non-playoff team. I mean, if you’re hopeful for the future, like the majority of AN A’s fans, sure… that’s great. But, a Jags fan… isn’t that sorta like being a Twins fan?
Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb
Aren't the Twins a playoff contender?
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on Aug 9, 2008 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Raiders winning 8 games this year!
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
I'll take that...
but, I think it’ll be more. Even at that, it’s probably 4 more than the Whiners win. Both of SF’s teams are so abysmally bad, I’m almost giddy about the A’s season this year.
Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb
D-Mac and J-Rus
are gonna be awesome. just hope the offensive line hold up. Javon Walker will be a bust. But Loved the DeAngelo Hall trade.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
I'm not so sure about J-Rus...
but, do the Raiders stockpile running backs like the A’s stockpile pitching prospects? I saw like 6 running backs on the Raiders tonight that any other team in the NFL would have starting. Or, maybe it was just the Whiner defense. ;-)
Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb
Rankin really isn't that good
He runs extremely upright; he’ll get knocked out by a first-team defense. Basically discount anything you see in the second half; most of those guys playing defense will be bagging groceries and selling insurance in a month.
"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox
by Gallagher's Watermelons on Aug 9, 2008 2:23 AM PDT up reply actions
true...
but, the Raider 5th-stinger (Rankin) killed the Whiner second half defense. So, it’s all good.
Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb
Ronald Curry is gonna have a good year I predict.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
I just wish Al Davis had hired me...
as Offensive Coordinater. I mean, if there is one thing I hate… it’s that wide-out running back and forth before the snap. Do they think that is fooling anyone on the defense? And, they seem to keep that shit…. regardless of coaching changes.
Please, stop that shit! Send the mofo deep and see if your QB can hit him. That’s why you drafted J-Rus, after all.
Foolsh, the most insane regular poster on AN since oaktoon left - salb
Haha
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
The Olympics are kinda interesting this year...
I’ve seen women’s fencing and women’s horse riding in a square…. I never knew the latter was a sport. The USA women fencers did well.
Now, watching women’s soccer… USA vs. Japan. Of course, it’s a tie at 0-0, so far. What else would you expect of soccer?
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From the A's website:
He is four innings shy of tying Grover Cleveland for the longest scoreless streak by a rookie
I think they forgot something there, unless the former President had a secret baseball career.
He'll never break Tricky Dick Nixon's record 20 K's in a game.
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
by Leopold Bloom on Aug 9, 2008 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
What's even more amazing
is that the streak was set over 2 non-consecutive years.
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
I'm sure they must mean
Grover Cleveland “Old Pete” Alexander.
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
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