A's notes: Wavy feelings may have started on Street

by Asfan4ever723 on Aug 7, 2008 10:16 PM PDT

So whatever happens, we should see some resolution by saturday or so.still not convinced he'll get dealt, but its still possible to get multiple top prospects not on 40 man rosters or recent draftees that have yet to be eligible. I'd atually think embree could get more interest if put on waivers

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/07/SPV11270QR.DTL

Post trade-deadline, any trades must include waivers - players either need to clear waivers first, or clubs may try to negotiate deals with teams that are awarded a waiver claim on a specific player. And on Thursday, there were rumblings that several teams had put in waiver claims on A's closer Huston Street.

Once a waiver claim is made, the clubs have 48 hours to work out a deal, and if nothing is agreed upon, the original team pulls the player off the waiver wire. So if Street indeed has been claimed, any deal would happen in the next day or two.

If the A's were to find a good match for a waiver-wire deal, they'd likely be looking to acquire top-notch infield prospects, particularly third baseman, at the Double-A level or higher.

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I kinda feel bad for Street

cuz I think he might genuinely be a good guy but his last few save opportunities have become almost comical

by petitceebee on Aug 7, 2008 10:42 PM PDT 0 recs

No need to feel bad for him if he gets to the postseason

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 7, 2008 11:24 PM PDT up 0 recs

Getting traded after the deadline doesn't get you to the post-season.

Teams with the worst W-L record get first shot at claiming a guy off waivers. If we had traded Street, it would have been to Seattle or Cleveland.

"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk

by iglew on Aug 8, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up 0 recs

The trouble is

“Top-notch infield prospects…at the Double-A level or higher” are likely, if not guaranteed, to be on a team’s 40-man roster. We could get a guy like Jason Donald or Allen Craig, who are solid but not elite prospects. Or we could go after guys like Wilmer Flores, a very young player at a very low level but with the potential to very soon be elite prospects as they move up the chain. I would rather the latter, personally.

And I would be surprised to see Street dealt now. I would not however be surprised to see Embree, Foulke, or Brown dealt. And the guy I keep rooting for to gain value is BoCro.

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by vignette17 on Aug 7, 2008 11:32 PM PDT 0 recs

The only name that even remotely made sense to me for Street was Ivan DeJesus, if you limit the pool to

1) Contending team that needs immediate relief help
2) IF prospect in AA or above
3) Not on 40 man roster

They wouldn’t really trade him for Allen Craig or Chris Getz, would they? I guess they could do a PTBNL.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 8, 2008 12:12 AM PDT up 0 recs

I'd trade Street right now...

...for a case of halfway decent beer. The league has more or less figured him out. It’s too bad he wasn’t dealt sooner, when we could have perhaps fooled someone into believing he can still close effectively at the MLB level. His stuff is so-so, his command ditto, and now he seems to be losing his confidence. On a good team he maybe pitches the 7th. I sincerely hope he has pitched his last 9th for us.
The typical Street AB this year has gone like this:
Pitch 1: Strike (swinging)
Pitch 2: Strike 2 (looking)
Pitch 3: Ball (slider 8 in. outside)
Pitch 4: Ball 2 (slider 6 in. outside, nibble nibble)
Pitches 5, 6, and 7: foul balls, waiting for the inevitable “hanger”
Pitch 8: Ball 3
Pitch 9: 88 mph BP fastball OR thigh-high hanging slider, BLAM! walk-off into the 14th row…

This guy has NO out pitch, and his stuff is not good enough to get through key AB's without making a mistake. His mistakes have been getting POUNDED. When a strong closer has you down 0-2, you are DONE. When Street has hitters down 0-2, it means nothing...
      If BB can get ANYThING of value for this guy, he needs to be pitching for someone else SOON. Let's hope it's LAD, so I can laugh while he gets lit up pitching for a team I hate...PT seems to think Street gets a "bad rap" on AN, that Street's brilliance is overlooked by those who don't appreciate his "peripherals" and all that gobbledygook, but what it basically boils down to is this: 24 guys have given their all to win, and we need 3 more outs to wrap it up. Huston, can you get 3 guys out before the shi* hits the fan? More and more, the answer to that question has been "NO!" 
     "Peripherals" be damned...I just want us to have a closer that starts the stream of fans heading out for the parking lot as soon as he's announced...3 up, 3 down, wham bam thank you ma'am! Thanks to all for hearing me out...

by kitoko on Aug 8, 2008 2:21 AM PDT 0 recs

Of course, 80% of what I wanted to say is flying around somewhere in cyberspace...

Oh well. Anyway, yeah, ship him to the Dodgers, so I can enjoy seeing him get lit up with a team I hate. I couldn’t care less about his “peripherals”, to borrow a phrase from one of Huston’s last fervent and desperate defenders here on AN, I want someone to come in with the game on the line who has a reasonable chance to get THREE FRIGGIN OUTS! A guy with 88 MPH cheese and an 85 MPH slider, lacking confidence and with an alarming tendency to get taken deep would not be my choice. Thanks, Huston, and goodbye. NEXT!
Santa, my wish this year is to have Oakland develop/acquire/conjure up/uncover a true closer…one that gets the fans up out of their seats to head for the parking lot as soon as he starts warming up in the ‘pen…3 up, 3 down, wham bam thank you ma’am!
Oh, one more wish while I’m at it…someone on the infield that hits higher than .240. Thanx.

by kitoko on Aug 8, 2008 2:39 AM PDT 0 recs

I really think

That Henry Rodriguez will be that guy relatively soon. He’d be the dominant closer type.

'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.

by Morgasm on Aug 8, 2008 8:38 AM PDT up 0 recs

I don't know about soon, though

He’s in single-A pitching only so-so, having imploded in a try at AA. Sounds like a 2011er to me.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 8, 2008 8:49 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah, but still.

The Futures game made me actually like him, I always thought of him as trade bait. Now, he could really be the dominant closer contenders generally like to have. I guess we’ll wait and see.

'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.

by Morgasm on Aug 8, 2008 8:59 AM PDT up 0 recs

btw

2010 seems more likely than 2011.

'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.

by Morgasm on Aug 8, 2008 8:59 AM PDT up 0 recs

2010 would mean doing AA and AAA in 2009

Nothing I’ve seen so far suggests to me that he should be fast-tracked. He’s raw, hasn’t mastered command, and has already failed in a promotion attempt. I don’t see why 2010 would be more likely.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 8, 2008 9:26 AM PDT up 0 recs

Isn't 2010 his last option year? I suppose he could get a fourth one.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 8, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up 0 recs

2 things

First, I think he would get a 4th option because it would only be his 5th season in a full-season league. Second, if 2010 is his last option, that would presumably put his MLB ETA at… 2011. I mean, he’d probably get a cup of coffee in 2010 but he wouldn’t be an integral part of the team.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 8, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up 0 recs

So he really only has to be up in 2012. Good.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 8, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up 0 recs

hasn't beane always said

that he doesn’t like paying top dollar for closers?

i’m sure somebody on here can give a good synopsis of his philosophy on the position .

by jlanning17 on Aug 8, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up 0 recs

Basically "closers" are inefficient

Very rarely is the 9th inning the highest leverage situation in a game, so it’s almost always stupid to save your best bullpen arm for that situation.

For example, Ziggy is our best bullpen arm, and he frequently comes into close games with runners on in a late inning. This is a MUCH more important situation than starting the ninth inning with anything more than a 1 run lead (because those games are almost always won).

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 8, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up 0 recs

"Suffrajet City!"

-David Bowie…...nice.

by mrod on Aug 9, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up 0 recs

What makes ANYBODY think he would get anything more than just an OK prospect?

Would you give Simmons for him right now?

He’s worthless right now.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 8, 2008 6:43 AM PDT 0 recs

Would you give Simmons for him right now?

... yes?

Particularly if I was a playoff contender, but that’s really not even close regardless of who’s claiming him.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 8, 2008 10:08 AM PDT up 0 recs

I'm sure lots of teams are looking for a relief pitcher with an ERA over 4.00...

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 8, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up 0 recs

who's getting worse as the season progresses....

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 8, 2008 10:22 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yes, because it is impossible that he will ever pitch better than he is right now

His career is in irrevocable, terminal decline at the age of 24. And you, and all other teams, somehow are certain of this “fact.”

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 8, 2008 10:23 AM PDT up 0 recs

If you are a team in contention this year...

why would you dump top prospects on the hope that Street turns it around in the next 2 months? Everyone has a couple 4.00 ERA capable RPs in their minor league system.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 8, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up 0 recs

...because he's not a free agent after this year? Or next year?

...because he’s capable of putting up a 2 ERA, not a 4 ERA?

...because he’s still better than Todd Jones?

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 8, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up 0 recs

The Tigers certainly need a reliever, but what do they have that we want?

Dan Worth and James Skelton? Lester Oliveros looks somewhat interesting in a lottery ticket kinda way.

To me it’s gotta be the Dodgers, with something built around DeJesus and Gallagher, or the White Sox with something built around Poreda. I don’t see why the White Sox really need Street, and the Dodgers have some pretty good relievers even without Saito.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 8, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

He's not going to clear waivers, so the only team the A's can deal with

is the team that claims him… which is likely to be Detroit, because I think they have the worst record among AL “contenders.” Though I haven’t looked that up.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 8, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up 0 recs

Tigers have a losing record, so yes. I wouldn't want anything they have.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 8, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up 0 recs

If they offered Rick Porcello and Ryan Raburn I'd be hard pressed to turn them down

Surely a guy of Porcello’s prospect stature could be spun for a shortstop if the need arose.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 8, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up 0 recs

I'd hold out for Brent Clevlen....and that Oliveros guy.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 8, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up 0 recs

Hard Pressed?

Be serious please.

If the Tigers offered Porcello and Rayburn, Beane would be screaming YES YES YES LET’S DO IT into the phone and immediately faxing the paperwork to the MLB offices before Dombrowski realized how absolutely stupid that deal would be for Detroit.

by mikev on Aug 8, 2008 1:26 PM PDT up 0 recs

Faster then you can say "Kazmir for Victor Zambrano!"

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 8, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up 0 recs

Faster than you can say "Pierzinskeyenie for Liriano, Nathan, and Bonser"

by mikev on Aug 8, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up 0 recs

(which, incidentally, isn't very fast)

:-|

by mikev on Aug 8, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up 0 recs

"Wavy Feelings May Have Started On Street"

That’s my favorite Captain Beefheart song, man!

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams

by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 8, 2008 7:47 AM PDT 0 recs

Mine is "Owed T'Alex"

The one thing I have in common with the Yankees.

by Brian in 317 on Aug 8, 2008 7:57 AM PDT up 0 recs

I'm sure someone's is "Hurry Firebeane"

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 8, 2008 10:08 AM PDT up 0 recs

This brings up the question...

“If Crosby was placed on waivers, would anyone claim him?”

I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.

by franks a lot on Aug 8, 2008 8:50 AM PDT 0 recs

The question is synonymous with “If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is there, does it make a sound?”

The answer is, funnily enough, yes. Because like in the fact that it could be a tiny tree falling, somebody could claim him and offer a 32 year old Rookie-League shortstop.

'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.

by Morgasm on Aug 8, 2008 9:04 AM PDT up 0 recs

Crosby would be an instant-upgrade for a lot of teams,

including St. Louis (Izturis), Toronto (McDonald/Eckstein), the Dodgers (Angel Berroa), arguably even Tampa Bay (Bartlett/Zobrist), some of whom are still in the race. He’d get claimed, just not a lot offered in return.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 8, 2008 9:31 AM PDT up 0 recs

I'd be okay with that.

Purge Crosby NOW!!!!!

I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.

by franks a lot on Aug 8, 2008 9:38 AM PDT up 0 recs

you underestimate crosby

50 rbi from SS position is among the best in mlb
tons of doubles
good defense

if jack wilson is somewhat a hot commodity, why not crosby. that said, i think he’s a beane favorite and probably in no rush to dump him

by Asfan4ever723 on Aug 8, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up 0 recs

I'd agree that Crosby is a Beane pet

Remember how fervently he defended him in the pre-season and in Blez’s interview earlier in the year? Also, I want to see how Crosby finishes this year out as it will be his first whole season of baseball in more than two years. He could still be valuable and actually improve, possibly. Plus, he is signed thru next year and no need to deal him from a position of weakness.

by mrod on Aug 9, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up 0 recs

No way is Crosby better than Jason Bartlett

I’m not at all convinced he would get claimed. His salary is a serious millstone, particularly next year’s.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 8, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up 0 recs

Ya but I can see the Dodgers trading for him if the A's picked up all his 2008 salary

I don’t see him as an upgrade on Izturis or McDonald either, mainly because he looks much worse in the field to me. Other than the Dodgers, maybe the Orioles in the off-season.

Regarding his 2B and RBI, I don’t see a .376 SLG as all that powerful. To me he can’t hit or field.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 8, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up 0 recs

Sure, I didn't say no one would trade for him...

just that (probably) no one would claim him on waivers, because it would expose them to the risk of the A’s letting him get claimed and sticking them with the salary.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 8, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up 0 recs

Right, he's almost certain to clear waivers. Two or three times if need be.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 8, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up 0 recs

So, what 3B/SS prospects (that we could actually get for Street) are on these teams?

Mariners
Indians
Tigers
Rangers
Yankees
Red Sox

At least, that’s who I think would have the potential of putting a claim in for him.

"Do you know that the guy really doesn't like baseball all that much?" - J.P. Riccardi

by black beane on Aug 8, 2008 10:15 AM PDT 0 recs

I don't see any non-contender being in a hurry to get Street now, rather than the offseason

So that leaves Tigers – Dan Worth (not enough for me), Rangers – Elvis Andrus (no way they’d do that), Yankees – Eric Duncan or Kevin Russo (not nearly enough), Red Sox – Jed Lowrie (no way they’d do that). I’d add Dodgers – DeJesus, or Hu as a PTBNL (I wouldn’t do it but they might.)

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 8, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up 0 recs

Hopefully the Red Sox

Michael Almanzar -3rd baseman
Oscar Tejada -SS

Personally w the SS just drafted by the A’s, 3rd base a bigger hole in the organization unless Donaldson or Carter can prove defensively adequate.

by Bud Light on Aug 8, 2008 10:24 AM PDT 0 recs

Oscar Tejeda?

He of the .601 OPS in low-A ball?

Jeez, it’s no wonder the Sox system is constantly overrated, if guys like that are considered prospects.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 8, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up 0 recs

Well he is only 18, so just being in full-season ball is pretty good.

FWIW, Sickles had him #11 preseason on the Red Sox list (B-, with the note “high praise for a rookie ball guy”).

Goldstein had him #9 (3-stars, with the note, “Tejeda has all of the tools necessary to be a star-level shortstop. He’s a good hitter with a line-drive stroke who has the frame and the bat speed to develop into some power. Defensively, he has excellent range, crisp actions and a strong arm.”)

Callis had him #9 (with the note, ”...Tejeda could develop considerable power once he matures physically and as a hitter. He has quick hands and plenty of bat speed….”)

So he is generally considered a prospect, and may be more talented than DeJesus, Hu or even Lowrie. He’s just really far away from the majors.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 8, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up 0 recs

As is Crosby

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 8, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up 0 recs

(stares at computer in confusion.....slowly smile comes over face....chuckles)

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 8, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up 0 recs

You have to let me hate on Croz

I have so little.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 8, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up 0 recs

MPH

I’ve read here on AN that Street’s velocity is down around 4 MPH or thereabouts. This would mean he’s either got a tired arm, is injured, is having mechanical difficulties, etc. At his age, it sounds unlikely he’s permanently lost his speed. There’s something wrong - just as there was something wrong with A. Brown after he came back from his operation, and it took a while to figure it out. Street is slightly injury-prone, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he wasn’t playing at 100%.

by richwol1 on Aug 8, 2008 10:33 AM PDT 0 recs

I think there's "merely" something wrong with his mechanics

... now, that could be masking/compensating for an injury, I dunno. But it’s seemed clear to me that when he’s struggled, he’s been dropping his arm slot and failing to get on top of his pitches.

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 8, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up 0 recs

...and when he's struggled in the past

we find out later that he’d been injured in one way or another, which is why the mechanics changed. I’d almost be willing to put money on the idea that he’ll go to the DL as soon as either Brown or Foulke is ready.

by richwol1 on Aug 8, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up 0 recs

that wouldn't surprise me, either

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 8, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up 0 recs

If he's injured why the heck isn't he on the DL now?

What do Foulke or Brown have to do with Street’s health?

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 8, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up 0 recs

because the A's don't like to DL guys, for whatever reason?

I was mostly just endorsing the idea that he’s potentially hurt.

As for the A’s medical/training/DL practices, I’ve totally given up trying to understand them.

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 8, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up 0 recs

OK but I'm going to keep asking this question, annoying though it may be.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 8, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up 0 recs

I have no objection to that

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 8, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

good thought

especially given oakland’s injury culture (for lack of a better term). he’s seen roughly 397 people go on the DL the last 2 years and seen the team’s W-L suffer from it, not to mention that even before his recent suckitude he was getting a lot of hate from A’s fans, so i wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t want to disclose some sort of injury.

by jlanning17 on Aug 8, 2008 10:36 AM PDT 0 recs

Unlikely

...that the feelings of A’s fans influences a ballplayer’s decision to disclose an injury. It may in fact be that management knows he’s not at 100% but feels he can still do the job and therefore shouldn’t go on the DL until either the injury worsens or someone else is ready to step in.

How many times have we seen suckitude from pitchers, just this year, that turn out to be injury-related? Calero, Brown, Foulke, Gallagher, etc. etc. etc?

by richwol1 on Aug 8, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up 0 recs

Which of those actually helped the team by pitching through injury?

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 8, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up 0 recs

Beane has consistently reiterated that his philosophy is ...

... an established major-leaguer at something less than 100% (and spottily available) is always preferable to calling up a minor-league replacement the FO hasn’t yet deemed “ready.”

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 8, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up 0 recs