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A's are historically bad now

Winless since July 27, the A’s have dropped seven straight series and are a major league-worst 2-17 since the All-Star break. The last time Oakland had a losing streak this long was a 12-game skid that began with nine straight losses in September 1995 and continued with three more defeats in April 1996.

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The A’s also lost 12 consecutive games in April 1994.

The Athletics have been swept in three straight series of three games or more for the first time in Oakland history. The Kansas City A’s had the same run of futility in July 1955.

[http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap?gid=280807114]

 

Just friggin' great, Billy. All part of the "master plan to win in 2010", eh? Any real business that was run this way would go out of business.

The owner has money and chooses not to spend it. Why should the fans "be patient"?

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But... but...

we’re rebuilding.

That is if you want to call it that. I’m so sick of watching this team. There are like three, maybe four guys playing in the field that will be on the team in 2010. I’m not so sure there is anyone in the farm system MLB ready, or that will be an instant offensive upgrade, but I’m sure looking forward to September call-ups. I’m ready to see some new faces besides Crosby, Ellis, Cust, Emil, Hannahan, and Davis.

What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.

by KMoAsFan on Aug 7, 2008 9:20 PM PDT   0 recs

But... but...

This fanpost is histrionically bad.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Aug 8, 2008 6:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We have a winner

"However, at Elias, I think they keep track of the amount of sunflower seeds spit in a dugout each night." - Brad Ziegler, 8/7/08

by doctorK on Aug 9, 2008 7:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the fans

When the team is playing this badly and possibly just as badly next year, this team will be taking a huge hit on ticket/merchandise sales, not to mention TV/radio contracts when they come up for renewal. So, Wolff and Beane do save money on the payroll for a wasted season but they lose tons more on fans’ interests or what remains of it.
By the time this team is competetive in 201-whatever, I doubt many would still care.

by batterbatter on Aug 7, 2008 9:48 PM PDT   0 recs

Only true A's fans will by then. (I one of them)

At least there wont be bandwagoners…. if there were even some to begin with.

by Clive on Aug 7, 2008 9:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"No matter," say the A's.

“We’ll just take our traveling road show to Fremont!”

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 7, 2008 9:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We shouldn't

I don’t understand what future the A’s are playing for. They haven’t won a World Series in almost 20 years. The future should be now

by likeiwouldtellyou on Aug 7, 2008 10:38 PM PDT   0 recs

The future...

...IS now!

...and the future is now!

by gio_is_the_future on Aug 8, 2008 12:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The future is YOU!

errr…. probably.

The glare was not practiced. I would get into the game situations, and when that happens, there comes a level of concentration that most can only imagine but can never achieve. You become what you are doing, and that is what you see on my face. -Dave Stewart

by Hegenberger Road on Aug 8, 2008 6:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actual applicants not accepted

Art test is only so we can make fun of you.

C! G! N! U!

Me?

"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox

by Gallagher's Watermelons on Aug 9, 2008 1:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My love for the A's is

like my wedding vows: for better or for worse, in sickness and in health….

Yeah, we really really suck right now. But I still love them A’s.

Woo-hoo! Go A’s!

"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk

by iglew on Aug 7, 2008 10:45 PM PDT   0 recs

Agreed

And I love seeing that the team actually has a bunch of players to look forward to in the minors. Just look across the Bay for an example of a team that didn’t know when to rebuild.

by Blez on Aug 7, 2008 11:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 8, 2008 11:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep

I’ve been cheering for them my whole life. it would be impossible for me to do the same for anyone else. If I didn’t have the A’s to cheer for…baseball would pretty much be dead to me.

Finished with my woman 'cause she couldn't help me with my mind...

by diaryofmac10 on Aug 8, 2008 12:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, but ...

If your spouse treated you like the A’s treat their fans, there’d be a divorce proceeding in Alameda County court right now.

I will never stop pulling for the A’s; they are my childhood team. But this isn’t the way to win in MLB today—nor is it the way to build a fan base if you’re planning for a new ballpark.

I think this ownership group is preparing to move the team. And that breaks my heart.

by McP on Aug 8, 2008 1:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If the management of this team treated the fans differently than it did now

They’d have buckets of bandwagoners, but pissed-off true fans. The point of the trades was to improve the future of a team that wasn’t going anywhere this year, and they got a buttload of players that will make the team better down the road. A true fan will support any move that makes sense for the direction of the team, and since we obviously weren’t going anywhere this year, the real fans support all the deals. Are we bad now? Yes, but we have a plan, and we’re moving forward. Look at Tampa Bay for an example of how rebuilding SHOULD be done: grow your own players and be patient. Look at San Francisco for an example of how NOT to do it: sign mediocre veterans that tie up your roster spots that should be going to young players. There’s no such thing as partially rebuilding; it’s either all or nothing.

"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox

by Gallagher's Watermelons on Aug 9, 2008 1:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you saying that "true fans" are stupid?

Why should anybody give blind faith to an organization? A true fan doesn’t jump on the latest trendy winning team, but there’s absolutely nothing wrong with a true fan calling out the team for being idiots when they make idiotic moves. (General comment, not specific to the current situation)

Now getting specific… Yes, we have a plan. I’m so excited. It’s going to work out great. Just like the last plan… oh wait, that didn’t work out so well. For all the planning and supposedly doing it “right”, here we are with a major league team with a not much better record than the Giants. Yes, I’m so excited.

"If I've got baggage, he's got a whole set of Louis Vuitton." ~ Milton Bradley on Barry Bonds

by UncleLeo on Aug 9, 2008 4:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

fine

go find a new team then, and don’t come back when we win it all in 2011

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Aug 7, 2008 11:00 PM PDT   0 recs

the a's*

not “we”

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Aug 7, 2008 11:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I say we all the time. Paul's never admonished me. Fans pay the bills -- other than the

revenue sharing part.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 8, 2008 12:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

naw

i was drunk and it slipped out…i don’t use “we” either

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Aug 8, 2008 1:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

no i think you meant

don’t come back when the A’s and I win it all in 2011

by oakinboston on Aug 8, 2008 7:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

1995-1996

The A’s were actually trying to compete. It probably delayed the rebuilding process by 2-3 years. The A’s should have been rebuilding / unloading talent in 1995 (McGwire, Steinbach, Ruben Sierra, Bordick, Rickey, Eckersley, Stewart, Honeycutt, etc…). Instead, they held on to those guys for too long, and didn’t receive enough in return for others (McGwire for Blake Stein, T.J. Mathews and Eric Ludwick*).

1995-1996, the A’s went a combined 145 – 161

From 1996 – 1999, the A’s drafted Eric Chavez (1996), Tim Hudson (1997), Mulder (1998), Zito (1999)... then they A’s went on their run from 1999 – 2006.

I think the A’s are 2 years ahead of that Mid-Nineties timeline. It is scary to be counting on Carlos Gonzalez, Daric Barton, Ryan Sweeney, Kurt Suzuki + the best Minor League Pitching in all of baseball + add’l Prospects… but I believe in the process. You can’t be competitive every year. You gotta take your lumps w/ the young guys, and be patient with the Minor League Guys. The A’s will be competitive again. Just gotta be patient.

by Colorado Fan on Aug 8, 2008 8:21 AM PDT   0 recs

Looking back on it..

The rebuilding should have happened in 1993-1994. By 1995-1996 it was too late. It’s funny how things happen, though. Because the Rebuilding was delayed, we had a chance to draft Huddy, Mulder, and Zito in consecutive years. Might not have been the case if the rebuilding started early.

Things happen for a reason. Fate. Karma. Whatever you believe in.

by Colorado Fan on Aug 8, 2008 11:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

this definitely counts as "uninformed"
The owner has money and chooses not to spend it.

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 8, 2008 10:11 AM PDT   0 recs

Wolff's Worth.

I’ve always been sort of curious about it, but Wolff doesn’t sound like he’s struggling though. This article is from 2001, but it gives you a good idea on how willing this guy is willing to invest money in something he believes is profitable. Unfortunately he hasn’t yet shown that commitment to that team.

Every MLB owner’s goal is to obviously turn a profit, after all, these franchises are big business. Problem is, they care little about fielding a winning team. This can be excruciatingly frustrating for fans, b/c our main goal is to see the team be successful. I’m seeing a little contradiction in Wolff’s actions as of late. He talked earlier in the year about how he was getting older, and how he wanted to actually be able to enjoy the new A’s facilities for a few years. Yet, he is willing to give Beane the permission to make the franchise totally irrelevant for the next year and a half to two years, and thats if everything goes right. If he wants to see his team be successful for a few years then throw some money at the franchise.

We could have just as well been done rebuilding this past offseason. None of the position playing return for Harden has proved to be major league ready, and Gallagher is never going to have as good as stuff as Harden unless he’s on the DL. Blanton’s trade return is so far out Wolff could have just as easily signed a free agent this offseason to replace Ellis, and in that get a proven major leaguer. As optimistic as we want to be, there is no guarantee Cardenas will make it to the bigs, much less be a stud. Plus, if say he makes the team in 2010, he more than likely won’t be anything special until 2011 or 2012.

What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.

by KMoAsFan on Aug 8, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Should Clear This Up.

I didn’t mean to make it sound like all owners care little about winning. Just some of them.

What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.

by KMoAsFan on Aug 8, 2008 10:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

this counts as uninformed, too

Wolff has said numerous times in various media outlets how the last 2 years he’s pushed Beane to add payroll, to sign some big names, and Beane has resisted. (OK, sure, that could be PR-speak by Lew. But he’s demonstrated repeatedly that he’s not very good at PR-speak, so I doubt that’s what’s going on.) And they’ve sunk a ton of money this year (and apparently plan to spend a lot more in coming years) on domestic draft picks and foreign free agents (e.g., Inoa).

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 8, 2008 11:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Uniformed?

How is a link about factual investments uninformed? Heck, when it came time for the trade deadline all the guys that were rumored to be getting sent off where basically just getting plucked from the top of payroll.

What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.

by KMoAsFan on Aug 8, 2008 11:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If he wants to see his team be successful for a few years then throw some money at the franchise.

He has been “throwing money at the franchise,” in the form of draft bonuses and foreign free agent/scouting/development.

And, yeah, they’ve been culling high-payroll players - I totally subscribe to FSU’s profit-taking theory (and I actually think they’re positioning the franchise for a sale, but that’s sheer speculation) - but I also think that the players they’ve gotten rid of aren’t all that good, didn’t have much market value, and brought in both prospects and players who represented short-term upgrades for the team in ‘08.

You, however, are clearly stating an untruth - that ownership isn’t spending money on the franchise. No, they’re not spending money signing big-name ML FAs, or trading to acquire expensive, short-cost-control-horizon age-28+ players - but just because they’re not spending money how you’d prefer to see it spent doesn’t mean you get to wipe out the money they are spending.

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 8, 2008 11:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Adding to that, "throw some money at the franchise" is not a guarantee of success at all.

I mean, the Dodgers and Orioles were notorious for doing that in the 90s and what did it get them? Not a whole lot in the long run.

You don’t “throw money” around. That implies handing it out hand over fist. I’d love to work at a company that throws money around, but only long enough to get my share and get out.

No, you invest it wisely and pick the right people and places to spend it on.

Throwing money around is something the Yankees and Red Sox can do and get away with it because they make so much, but if the A’s throw money around they’re only going to hurt themselves.

Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog

by Flashfire on Aug 8, 2008 12:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed 100%

I was trying to steer clear of the issue of how stupid “throwing money” is, and just focus on the erroneous claim that Lew was simply being miserly.

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 8, 2008 12:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like picking up the spare when I don't get the strike ;-)

I don’t think Wolff is being miserly either. Like you said, just because money isn’t being spent in a way someone wants it to be doesn’t mean it’s not being spent.

Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog

by Flashfire on Aug 8, 2008 12:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Could it be

that monkeyball is actaully defending the ownership group? The winds of change are in the air..

(here’s where you correct me and explain how its all a part of a bigger, diabolical scheme to move the team out of state, raise ticket prices, and destroy the A’s franchise along with all their fans)

by GusanoQuemador on Aug 8, 2008 11:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hey, don't get me wrong ...

I still think there’s plenty that Crywolffisher does wrong. But calling them on things should involve at least a modicum of factuality, doncha think?

As for the out-of-state move, that just ain’t happenin’. (FWIW, I think Ozzzzzzzzzz has made the best argument for any OOS site in his arguments for Vancouver, but I think that’s only the least-unlikely of a host of unlikely options.) Raise ticket prices? Well, that’s neither a diabolical scheme nor disproven by the facts since Crywolffisher took over. “Destroy the A’s franchise”? Unless Unka Bud has some sweet contraction fees in place, I’m not sure what purpose that would serve. Fans, schmans—MLB isn’t a customer-driven business, anyway.

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 8, 2008 11:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If Wolff had demanded that the A's go out and spend money this offseason

(on whom, I have no idea whatsoever, but I’ll play along with this foolishness), it would have made the team worse.

Not “the same,” not “not worth it,” WORSE.

Spending money on free agents mid-rebuilding a. prevents you from spending that on guys when you’re actually in a competitive period, resulting in your team wasting the best years of its free agents on non-competitive seasons and ending up with dead payroll when it could actually be competitive again; b. prevents you from spending that money on things like draft picks; c. actually COSTS you draft picks if you’re signing FAs who are worth anything, d. if they do win a few extra games for you the year you sign them, they make your picks the NEXT year worse because you have a better record.

I can’t put this in strong enough terms. Asking the team to spend more last offseason is literally identical to asking the team to make itself worse while burning money. They’d have done better burying caches of dollar bills around the infield for fans to dig up. At least that might have stimulated attendance.

This petulant whining about wanting the team to “prove it cares” by buying something really, really expensive and useless is comparable only to the wailing of a three-year old child in a Wal-Mart toys isle. And the arguments are the same: “If you loved me, you would buy me this expensive crap!”

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 8, 2008 11:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In what alter world...

do you live in, that signing FA’s make the team WORSE? If Wolff wants to go in the Angel’s press box and says he envies them, or wants to model the franchise after them he better realize that involves spending some money. This offseason there are plenty of guys out there who could help this team, sign them for four or five years and they will be here to help out when the good young pitching comes into its own. You could go with the sure thing proven major leaguers or you can cross your fingers and hope that the A’s excellent hitting coaches will somehow develop the current prospects to be better than any thing else they’ve touched.

I’m not going to list any particular names since “Oh I’m so much smarter and shrewder than you, my opinion is fact” members will come out disagreeing with any player i deem semi-descent or attainable. Either way, for the open minded ones, heres a list, keep in mind, some of these guys have team options.

What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.

by KMoAsFan on Aug 8, 2008 11:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Did you not read PT's post?

Signing a FA during THIS season (not for next season) would make us worse by improving our record in a meaningless way (we still wouldn’t make the playoffs this year), giving us a worse draft pick, and eating dollars that could be put to better use.

I agree with you that signing someone this coming off-season could be a great help. I’m on record wanting Dunn. I only feel that way, however, because I think we can legitimately challenge the Angels next year.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 8, 2008 11:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

most of the FAs available in any given year are already in semi-descent

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 8, 2008 11:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Semi?

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 8, 2008 12:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 8, 2008 12:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That looks like a pretty complete-descent, albeit n a semi sort of way.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Aug 8, 2008 3:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"Petulant whining"

Unnecessary harshness, 15 yards. And as a fan of Christmas cartoons, I want to visit the Wal-Mart Isle of Misfit FAs.

This thread is hardly the exemplar of nuanced discussion, but there’s other ways a franchise could “prove it cares” than to waste money on bad FA signings. Right now we’re watching a team whose future may be bright (or maybe not, as events develop), but whose present on the big league field is miserable. You’ve often remarked on the insignificance of a couple million payroll dollars here or there. OK, so, there’s your answer…ownership could spend a little more on a more entertaining short term product without harming its future. They’ve chosen not to. That’s probably the shrewdest bottom-line move, espcially given their willingness to piss off the current in-game fan base, but it ain’t exactly proving they care in the eyes of many fans.

They want to steal the land papers which is why they have tried to break in. But they had to give up after being bitten by Chhotu.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Aug 8, 2008 2:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

New Aunts

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Aug 8, 2008 5:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs


There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 8, 2008 5:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Aug 8, 2008 6:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The original "new aunts" were

here.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Aug 8, 2008 6:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Aug 8, 2008 6:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Right. If you want to fill up the stadium...

...you’ve got to be entertaining. At least half the fans in a full stadium aren’t hardcore baseball fans, and this is just as true for the Giants as well as the A’s and most other teams.

"If I've got baggage, he's got a whole set of Louis Vuitton." ~ Milton Bradley on Barry Bonds

by UncleLeo on Aug 9, 2008 4:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That seems a bit harsh

I mean, that statement is clearly factual, if not the complete picture. No one believes Wolffish are investing as much in the franchise (scouting, signing bonuses, etc) as they’re saving in current payroll. Whether it would be wise to spend on current payroll in the larger rebuilding context is another matter, but when did it become so fashionable to leap down the throats of people who post less than the complete story about anything?

They want to steal the land papers which is why they have tried to break in. But they had to give up after being bitten by Chhotu.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Aug 8, 2008 2:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hold on there
that statement is clearly factual, if not the complete picture

Unless you’re going to endorse my Potlatch Stadium plan, any scenario wherein Lew isn’t pulling a Magic Christian fits into that description. Are you really endorsing McP’s trawling? He’s just tossing bloody chum in the water and dragging a net.

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 8, 2008 3:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Here's my problem

I stayed out of the other meta-thread (historically not the scenes of my finest moments), so I’ll say my piece here: it’s easy for clever folks to make cartoony trollish foils from central casting look bad. But it’s not endorsing trolling to observe that the standard of reply has taken a turn towards the derisive around here lately.

Let’s take the Jack Cust example. I also have some questions about his value, and whether the holy grail of his OBP is worth as much on the actual playing field as it is on paper. I think that’s a question for reasonable discussion and disagreement. But because it’s often posed from a paleolithic anti-stats perspective (and often by posters with a proven trollish history), that reasonable discussion never takes place. Instead, ridicule ensues, usually starting with a genuinely clever remark from someone like yourself, but then descending quickly as others pile on, then Trolly McCusth8r lashes out predictably, and so on.

Poorly informed ideas should be labled as such. There’s still a value, though, to an educational rather than a dismissive reply, if not to Trolly than to the larger reading audience who really wants to learn, of whom I number myself one.

They want to steal the land papers which is why they have tried to break in. But they had to give up after being bitten by Chhotu.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Aug 8, 2008 3:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

from what I've seen lately ...

... the derisive turn has been directed in the main at worms.

Yes, absolutely, there is a well-reasoned and edifying counter to Custophilia—and Nico, I think, has been doing an admirable job on that front of late. However, Custophilia itself is a straw man, of the “vevryune @ AN drniks tha kewlAIDS!!!” variety, and doesn’t really need countering. I think virtually everyone here who spends any time defending Cust has acknowledged his shortcomings, as well as the relative value of singles vs. walks and the poverty of relyign solely on OBP as a measure of value, and bemoaned the fact of his being the best offensive player on the A’s as an indictment of the state of the A’s offense.

Personally, I can’t recall a single instance of undeserved ridicule in the last month.

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 8, 2008 4:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Everybody into the pool!

The problem to me is not so much a shit-stirrer getting his comeuppance. It’s the subsequent 247 pilings-on across many days and threads which can make the place feel a little mean. Deserved though it may be.

They want to steal the land papers which is why they have tried to break in. But they had to give up after being bitten by Chhotu.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Aug 8, 2008 7:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

indeed

I used to post a lot at Baseball Primer … but for the reason above (partially) I don’t anymore. That site essentially burned itself down b/c the discourse became so vitriolic and the personas so set that real conversation doesn’t really happen there anymore. Five years ago that site was great … I learned everything I know about the saber world from reading and posting there. Now you get 15 posts in and everybody’s screaming at each other. It’s every other chat board on the web now and as such most of the people who have anything real to say have checked out (and started their own blogs). I just started posting here w/in the last few weeks and really enjoy it b/c in the end, we’re A’s fans and want to talk about the team – where they’re going, what will make them better. I really dig this site because of that … maybe it’s because most of us are mellow East Bay-ers (though I am banished to SoCal now).

by jdr on Aug 8, 2008 10:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

so, honest question

Would it be better if we simply deleted FanPosts like this?

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 8, 2008 11:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd err on the side of just ignoring them

When it comes to serial abusers with ever-changing the sockpuppet usernames from a known trolls IP address, delete away. But other than that, deleting for content-even stupid content-is a slippery slope, and just feeds the troll’s martyr complex.

But I didn’t want to start a meta-tangent…ultimately I think admin should do what it thinks best, and users can take or leave it on those terms.

They want to steal the land papers which is why they have tried to break in. But they had to give up after being bitten by Chhotu.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Aug 9, 2008 12:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe we just need an un-rec option

Like a “this post sucks” recommendation…

"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox

by Gallagher's Watermelons on Aug 9, 2008 1:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you can always flag it with "troll"

Flagging is the un-recommending.

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 9, 2008 7:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Less effective, though

Because not public and doesn’t necessarily take it off the list

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 10, 2008 8:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

IIRC...

...you also routinely post this same brand of shortsightedness on usenet under a variety of names.

I have my own questions and doubts about the eventual success of the rebuilding, but even I know that what happens today on the major league field is not necessarily an indicator either way of what 2010 will be like.

"If I've got baggage, he's got a whole set of Louis Vuitton." ~ Milton Bradley on Barry Bonds

by UncleLeo on Aug 8, 2008 10:21 AM PDT   0 recs

So, McP, are you Doug, or Wendy?

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Aug 8, 2008 11:08 AM PDT   0 recs