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I Have a Hole in My Left Side

Crosby and Hannahan must go.  I don’t want to debate that.  But how do we turn things around for 2009?  Solutions can be found in all sorts of places, near and far.  Some of these are:

1) Top prospects that could be available

2) Not so top prospects that might surprise

3) Young major leaguers redundant on their teams

4) Old veterans

5) Minor league veterans.

I looked at the Top 100 preseason prospect lists of Baseball Prospectus and Baseball America, as well as the John Sickels’s Top 20 organization prospect lists.  I then looked at the Peak Translations for minor leaguers available at Baseball Prospectus for information on their performance in 2008.  Then I looked at free agents during the upcoming off-season.  Finally I looked at the rosters of each major league club to find interesting players who are redundant on their teams.  Altogether I put 70+ guys into my simple spreadsheet, including the incumbents.  If anyone wants to see it I can e-mail it to you, but don’t expect much.  It's a summary, not an analysis.

Star-divide

Here are the names that jumped out at me, listed roughly in my order of preference. 

Top Prospects

Brandon Wood, 23, SS, Angels – The best peak (.286) EqA by PECOTA of any prospect that I found other than Andy LaRoche.  Everybody liked him in Preseason, almost as much as LaRoche.  Having a very good year at AAA, still strikes out a ton.  Doesn’t seem to fit the Angels offensive small ball philosophy.  Doesn’t depend too much on BA, which means he might do just fine in Oakland.  Would the Angels deal him to us though?

Neil Walker, 22, 3B, Pirates – Caught between LaRoche and Pedro Alvarez.  Rated in the lower part of the Top 100 lists, good year at AAA

Reid Brignac, 22, SS, Rays – Rays will probably promote him when he’s ready, but Tim Beckham’s in the rear view mirror.  Paul Thomas isn’t impressed with his stagnant MLEs.

Matt Antonelli, 23, 2B, Padres – Highly rated in Preseason, but having a terrible year at AAA.  Padres still need a 2B, so if they trade him, it means they really don’t like him

Brent Lillibridge, 24, SS, Braves – Stuck behind Yunel Escobar.  B-Pro liked him better than BA in preseason.  Terrible year in AAA

Most likely unavailable – Elvis Andrus, Andy LaRoche, Jed Lowrie, Mike Moustakas, Ian Stewart

Not really an infielder – Chris Davis, Mat Gamel, Beau Mills, Angel Villalona

Also considered -- Adrian Cardenas, Chris Coghlan, Matt Dominguez, Alcides Escobar, Wilmer Flores, Todd Frazier, Wes Hodges, Peter Kozma, Chris Nelson, Sean Rodriguez, Bill Rowell, Carlos Triunfel, and Josh Vitters

 

Not so top prospects

Hu Chin-lung, 24, SS, Dodgers – Mavens liked his glove a lot, not so much his bat.  Demoted for hitting while blind.  DeJesus coming up from behind.

Ivan DeJesus Jr, 21, SS, Dodgers – High OBP, low SLG hitter having a great year in AA.  Not touted by mavens in pre-season.  Dodgers may want to keep him over Hu.

Dan Murphy, 23, 3B, Mets – A surprisingly great year in AA, now promoted to the majors.  Sickles and Kevin Goldstein of BB-Pro listed him toward the bottom of their Mets top prospect lists.  Stuck behind David Wright  (EDITED -- thanks rfloh)

Luke Hughes, 23, 3B, Twins – Came out of nowhere to post excellent numbers in AA.  Recently promoted to AAA. 

Pete Ciofrone, 24, 3B, Padres – Lost behind Headley and Kouzmanoff, but an excellent year in AAA

Allen Craig, 24, 3B, Cardinals – On Sickles’s radar before 2008. An excellent year at AA, but old for his levels and Troy Glaus isn’t going anywhere.  Loved by Nico.

Also considered -- Scott Campbell, Eric Duncan, Travis Denker, Jason Donald, Chris Getz, Tyler Greene, Diory Hernandez, Brandon Hicks, Chris Johnson, Trevor Plouffe, Josh Rodriguez, Kevin Russo, Ryan Rohlinger, Matt Tuiasosopo, Chris Valaika, and Luis Valbuena

 

Young major leaguers

Wilson Betemit, 26, 3B, Yankees – Formerly highly rated prospect.  Pretty good numbers with Braves and Dodgers, but not so much with Yankees.  Stuck behind Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter and Robinson Cano.  Numbers say defense good in 2005-6 but not in 2007-8. Inconclusive (EDITED -- thanks rfloh)

Asdrubal Cabrera, 22, SS, Indians – Helped them to the ALCS last year and sunk like a stone in 2008.  Did a lot better after demotion to AAA.  They probably still want him. 

JJ Hardy, 25, SS, Brewers -- Projections coming into 2008 were worse than Cabrera, but he's lapped Cabrera's production this year several times.  FA after 2010.  ZR thinks he's a below average defender. (ADDED -- thanks vignette17, I totally missed him)

Ben Zobrist, 27, SS, Rays – Solid defensive reputation but he’s no Jason Bartlett. Decent hitting projections, comparable to Brignac. Lost in the Bartlett, Brignac, Beckham shuffle

Kevin Kouzmanoff, 26, 3B, Padres – Good hit, mediocre field.  Could move to LF for Chase Headley or vice versa 

Bill Hall, 28, 3B, Brewers – Formerly productive player but terrible in 2007-8. Could be replaced by Alcides Escobar or Mat Gamel.  Owed $15.2MM in 2009-10

Also considered -- Brian Buscher, German Duran, Mike Fontenot, Chase Headley,  Omar Infante, and Andy Marte

 

Old veterans

Rafael Furcal, 30, SS, Dodgers -- Out of the blue career year in 2008 before getting hurt.  Back problems scare me, and I don't think he'll have to take a short term contract.  Also he's likely to be overrated because of his great half year.

Russell Branyan, 32, 3B, Brewers – Power threat at 3B as a stopgap.  Unexpectedly great year in 2008 in limited playing time.  Not much defensive reputation

Miguel Tejada, 34, SS, Astros – Great career and AN favorite, but not any better than Bobby Crosby in 2008.  Owed $13MM in 2009. 

Aubrey Huff, 31, 3B, Orioles – OK he’s really a DH, but he can stand at 3B.  PECOTA thinks he should be declining, but he’s had a great 2008.  Owed $9MM in 2009. 

Nomar Garciaparra, 34, 3B, Dodgers – Supposed to be done, but posted pretty good numbers when healthy this year.  Free agent after 2008.

Also considered -- Bobby Crosby, Joe Inglett and Ramon Santiago

 

Minor league veterans

Jack Hannahan, 28, 3B, Athletics – Very good preseason projections but a terrible year in 2008 as his vulnerability to the fastball was exposed. Repeatedly.

Jamie D’Antona, 26, 3B, Diamondbacks – Stuck behind Chad Tracy and Mark Reynolds, having a great year in AAA

Dallas McPherson, 27, 3B, Marlins – Stunning raw HR numbers, but park effects and his age make them a lot less impressive

Mike Hessman, 30, 3B, Tigers – Sounds like Graham Koonce, but could be a stopgap I suppose

Pedro Castellano, 38, 3B, Rojos del Aguila – Having an awesome year in Veracruz.  Last played in the majors in 1996 with the Rockies.  A September callup might be fun.

Also considered -- Jeff Baisley, Andy Green, Dionys Cesar, Tug Hulett, Victor Rodriguez and Freddy Sandoval

 

The decision

I've come to hate the word "undervalued".  A lot.  So I guess I’d take Dan Murphy or Luke Hughes if offered for very little, but I wouldn’t be excited by them.  Remember, Hannahan projected better than any of these guys.

My votes go to:

SS – Brandon Wood.  This guy would be great for us.  It would be like having Cust at SS.  Doesn’t depend on batting average so he won’t be overly demoralized by the Coliseum

I’m not sure what the Angels want but I’d get it for them.  If they won’t deal with us, I’d fall back on Brignac, Hu, DeJesus or even Zobrist. 

AND

3B – Wilson Betemit.  A slightly worse offensive projection than Kouzmanoff and a much worse offensive 2008, but his playing time has been sporadic.  Betemit came to the majors as a very young player which I like, and his defense seems like it should be better than Kevin.  Prospects don't seem ready yet.

The Yankees would most likely be interested in starting pitching prospects, and we’ve got lots of those.  We’ve also got lots of reserve outfielders.  Plus Alan Embree should be ready to take his second tour around the majors.  If nothing can be worked out I’d be OK with Kouzmanoff .  Neil Walker is probably my third choice, mainly because he didn't really break out in 2008, although he had a pretty good year.

Did I underrate someone?  Do my answers not make sense?  Is there someone out there that I didn't consider?  I’d very much like to see what you all think.  Oh and sign Manny!

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but because you have a hole in your left side….

....you could say you are ALL RIGHT.

....yes

white esurance sign behind home plate..oh so that’s why durham is an absolutely terrible defensive second baseman.. - xbhaskarx

by BigTuna on Aug 7, 2008 3:09 AM PDT   0 recs

Glass half-full!

I like that.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 7, 2008 3:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Loose seal! Watch out for loose seal!

I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball

by JediLeroy on Aug 9, 2008 7:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We have a great future!

2008 might be the dismal portal we have to venture through to get to the bright sunshine, but I am convinced that this team will rock in 2009! Just a bit more maturity on the backs of Sweeney, Suzuki, Gonzalez and our host of young pitchers- and the post season firing of Geren, Davis & clan will give us one helluva team in 2009. Just close the blinds and watch the D-Rays take the AL East this year- next year is ours!

The greenmachine

by greenmachine on Aug 7, 2008 5:07 AM PDT   0 recs

I'm not so sure about '09

I think we’ll be better, but not good or good enough. I’m thinking something along the lines of ‘99. Now 2010, that’s when we’ll start to really shine.

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by DMOAS on Aug 7, 2008 1:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Geren won't be fired.

I shouldn’t say won’t because this is Billy Beane we’re talking about, but that’s also why I think he won’t be fired. BB and BG are good friends and this wasn’t supposed to be a contending year anyway. That we did contend for the first few months should go in Geren’s favor.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Aug 7, 2008 5:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You're high

This team is going to be the 2003 Detroit Tigers.

Everyone assumes our prospects will be all-stars, but nobody’s even seen these guys play. Or maybe that’s just it… these glowing rotoworld rap sheets give us a false sense of hope. Two years ago Crosby and Street were going to save the franchise – they even had rookie-of-the-year credentials! Talk about false hope. Now they’re bums.

So out of all these magical prospects we’ve acquired, realistically one or two might be all-stars eventually, and the rest will be productive/mediocre and piss everyone off (like Crosby). And everyone will call for them to be traded because there will be some other magical unknown future all-star ready for his AAA call up.

Take last summer for example – Buck and Barton were the saviors, and now they’re bums. But haven’t you read the wonderful scouting reports.? We’ve got 6 hall-of-famers waiting for their call up this fall. Isn’t this exciting! 2009 – we’re back! Meanwhile Rich Harden dominates the National League. Call me bitter.

by sonomanate on Aug 11, 2008 2:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No wood

For 2 reasons I don’t want to give any prospects to the angels and wood can’t hit major league pitching so far. Looks like another adam piatt.
How about Dallas McPherson.

by Arcman on Aug 7, 2008 8:37 AM PDT   0 recs

Piatt hit very well before he got sick

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Aug 7, 2008 10:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

... and viral meningitis can result from inner-ear infections, and have vertigo as a symptom ...

Adam Piatt: Patient Zero?

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 7, 2008 10:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not from what I remember

If there were ever an anti-clutch hitter, he was it.

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by DMOAS on Aug 7, 2008 1:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wood brings big bat to Oakland

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 7, 2008 11:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Think more x-rated

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 7, 2008 11:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wood stands tall at the hot corner

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 7, 2008 11:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Too bad we don't still have Mike Rouse

"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL

by oblique on Aug 7, 2008 11:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If we acquire him:

Oakland Gets Wood

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Aug 7, 2008 5:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A's Wood Solid against Yanks' Wang

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by JediLeroy on Aug 9, 2008 7:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just to throw out another idea that's been percolating

in the hollow cavern that is my so-called brain…Having lost Hudson and Teixeira, and with Chipper a health question mark, you wonder if the Braves feel they need to go into full rebuild mode. That could mean that with Lillibridge ready, the Braves might be open to dealing Yunel Escobar if it means improving for 2010.

Escobar has only two years of service time, so he’s a long-term solution at SS, a guy who can field and be a worthy #1 or #2 hitter in your lineup. Given that the A’s have Street, Simmons/Mazzaro/H-Rod as potential trade chips, who knows?

The main negative is I hate the idea of using those last valuable chips and not getting someone in return who will provide power, and Escobar does not hit for any power. Other than that, I’d love to have him for the long haul.

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by Nico on Aug 7, 2008 9:32 AM PDT   0 recs

If the Braves do decide to rebuild

Why would they trade a talented youngster that would be around when they think they can contend again? If anything they’d trade Lillibridge for more prospects.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Aug 7, 2008 5:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nevermind

I just realized we traded Swisher and Haren.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Aug 7, 2008 5:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you had me at "like having Cust at SS"

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 7, 2008 10:23 AM PDT   0 recs

I prefer

Frank Thomas at SS

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Aug 7, 2008 5:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Kevin Mitchell

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Aug 8, 2008 7:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He's probably already 24

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 7, 2008 10:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My concern about Tejada (though I'd still love to bring him back)

is that his OPS is steadily declining, so it’s questionable what you can expect from him in 2009 and 2010 – will he remind us of the Tejada we had, or will he be a Casey Blake, Ryan Garko type of “B+ addition”?

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by Nico on Aug 7, 2008 10:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd be more concerned

about the .205/.295/.245 line, not to mention all the strikeouts..though it is a very small sample.

"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL

by oblique on Aug 7, 2008 10:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wrong Tejada

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 7, 2008 12:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

was he born in Brazil?

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 7, 2008 11:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

brandon wood? no thanks.

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by xbhaskarx on Aug 7, 2008 10:31 AM PDT   0 recs

I'd take him in a second

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Aug 7, 2008 10:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well for free, sure.

but if the a’s are trading for a 3b is he your first choice?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 7, 2008 10:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

FWIW I was thinking of him at SS. Do any of the other options appeal to you?

Should we be thinking bigger—Jose Reyes? Do you like Pennington or Petit?

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 7, 2008 10:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The fact that it's the Angels bolloxes things up,

but other than that he’d be pretty high up there as far as what it would take to get him vs. his performance. He’ll have a bad obp (probably about .300), but he has great power, and is one of the few names there with upside. Although, he’s not the best bet as far as helping the team in ‘09 probably…

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Aug 7, 2008 10:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you reject every player who isn't your first choice?

What if you can’t get your first choice?

For all the issues with his Ks, he’s still a 23 year old SS with a minor league career OPS of 888, 961 in AAA this year. He has managed to maintain the reduced K rate that he achieved last season, 24 Ks per 100 PAs in 2007, 23 Ks per 100 PAs in 2008, this year, while regaining the power that vanished.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Aug 7, 2008 11:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's irrelevant

There’s no way in Hades the A’s will have the chance to trade for him. The only way they could get him is by paying some exhorbitant price, which, seeing as how it’s the Angels, is a really bad idea.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 7, 2008 11:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's not irrelevant

Multi team trades can be worked out.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Aug 7, 2008 11:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It looks like Wood's on his third option next year.

It looks to me like the Angels have to fish or cut bait pretty soon.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 7, 2008 11:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How does that solve the issue?

The problem here is that any trades between the A’s and Angels are essentially zero sum. Each team only wins if it does better than the other team—if both teams do equally well, it’s not really much different than if both teams do terribly. So they’re only going to make a move if they think it’s a complete swindle—and it’s not often that both teams in a deal think they’re swindling the other.

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by PaulThomas on Aug 7, 2008 11:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No it's not zero sum.

Firstly, the Angels are contending now. The A’s aren’t. If the Angels trade Wood for players that help this season and next, that isn’t going to be “zero sum” since the A’s have decided to tank this season.

Secondly, the A’s have a surplus of pitching prospects. A hitting prospect has more relative value to the As, even if their absolute values are equal.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Aug 7, 2008 12:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They can't trade Wood right now anyway

I suppose the A’s could trade Duchscherer for him, or something, if they decide to tank next season as well… but I don’t think that’s at all likely.

Your second point doesn’t matter—yes, a hitting prospect has more value to the A’s, but that’s precisely why the Angels don’t want to give a hitting prospect to the A’s!

If they get a one win upgrade by getting a better overall prospect, and the A’s get a one win upgrade by getting a hitter instead of a pitcher… it makes no difference in terms of their head to head results.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 7, 2008 12:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My 2nd point matters in regards

to a multi team trade.

Also, there’s still the matter of the wildcard. You don’t have to win the division to get to the playoffs.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Aug 7, 2008 12:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Which is a lot less certain than winning your division

Since you’re competing against the whole AL.

I don’t think there’s been a major in-division trade in a long time, and there’s a very good reason for it. Could it happen? Sure, but it’s very unlikely.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 7, 2008 12:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I know it's not literally zero sum

It’s also non-zero-sum with regard to the other teams in the division. However, the wild card is virtually unwinnable in the AL given the existence of Boston and NY, and I don’t think either Texas or Seattle is going to be very good in the near future (I think the Texas system is severely overrated, especially w/r/t pitching). So it’s basically zero-sum.

Third parties don’t affect this at all. One way or another, the A’s get… something. And the Angels get… something else. If “something” is better than “something else”, the A’s win. If the reverse, the Angels win. It would eliminate the irritation of seeing “your prospect” winning games for the opposing team, but that’s not a rational reason to avoid a trade.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 7, 2008 12:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Neither the RS

nor the Yanks are ontop of the AL East right now. And the RS aren’t exactly out of the Twins reach.

Third parties do affect this because whereas the Angels won’t want to trade Wood to the As, the Braves, just to use a random example, have no reason not to do so.

Which means, that if the relative value of Wood is greater to the A’s than his absolute value, he’s worth getting via a 3rd party.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Aug 7, 2008 1:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you see the Angels putting Wood in the lineup or

trading him by spring training? It can’t be good for them to let value ooze away in Salt Lake City.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 7, 2008 1:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Doesn't mean they have to trade him to us

Plenty of teams need a SS.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 7, 2008 1:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think it's pretty clear they dislike Wood

given how they’ve jerked him around for the last two seasons. There’s really no excuse for starting Erick Aybar over him.

He’s not “their kind of hitter,” because he strikes out so often. (See: Dallas McPherson.) Only trouble is, they hardly ever trade with anyone. It seems like the best we can hope for is that his skills atrophy and he ends up doing nothing in the majors.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 7, 2008 1:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

howzabout if they leave him unprotected?

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 7, 2008 2:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Obviously the A's should claim him if they're stupid enough

to put him on waivers…

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by PaulThomas on Aug 7, 2008 2:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i don’t think they hate him that much…

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by xbhaskarx on Aug 7, 2008 2:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Even if they only hate him a little

they may not want to carry his spawn.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Aug 7, 2008 2:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's see how Cardenas and Carter do at third and SS

before we go trading all of our good young pitching.

Pretty much all of those guys you mentioned aren’t really aging like wine, are too young and unproven or just really aren’t that good.

IF our pitchers all could mature and make it to the bigs within around three years of each other, we could have the best pitching in the majors by a looonggg margin.

Cahill
Gonzalez
Anderson
Simmons
Inoa
Leon
Rodriguez
Mazzaro
maybe even a couple of the Demel, Carignan type guys
and a couple guys who have been around all of this year like Smith, (pray for) Ziegler, Gallagher, even Eveland

I would rather have a rotation and pen like that than that rotation minus Simmons, Rodriguez, Mazzaro for an unproven young guy who might not live up to expectations like, idk, Crosby? Especially because in order to get a prospect like that, we’d have to give up a few pitching prospects because god knows we don’t have much of anything else down on the farm.

Let the whole team and all the yound studs mature together.

by NateHST on Aug 7, 2008 11:39 AM PDT   0 recs

also, give petit a chance

by NateHST on Aug 7, 2008 11:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think Carter is a 3Bman - I say let him play 1B

and become the masher you want at 1B, check out Donaldson at 3B and Cardenas at SS and see how they handle it, look at Chavez as a 1Bman or DH and look outside the organization for a 3Bman for 2009-2011.

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by Nico on Aug 7, 2008 11:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No reason not to keep donaldson at C for now

(And for the same reason no reason not to shift Carter and see if he sticks) A prospect is more valuable if they play a harder position, and we can always shift them later if they get close and we have the same needs.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 7, 2008 12:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What About Moving Barton to Third?

He was a cacher, his arm is pretty good, and he’d probably be more nimble over there than Carter.

Donaldson also has third base written all over him

by Eck on Aug 7, 2008 7:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wouldn't that just create a hole at 1B

in 2009-2010, while taking Barton away from a position he has played well but keeping his (currently sucky) bat in the lineup? It’s not as if the A’s have a 1Bman knocking on the door – the closest is Sean Doolittle and he is living up to his last name since being promoted to AA.

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by Nico on Aug 7, 2008 8:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But your last post said Carter was a 1B man

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 7, 2008 8:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He's two years away, though

I don’t see him making an impact until 2011 (AA in 2009, AAA in 2010).

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 7, 2008 8:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah. So he takes over for Chavez. In which case Barton is free to move about the diamond?

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 7, 2008 9:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Stay out of the shallow end, Daric

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by Nico on Aug 7, 2008 9:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Betemit has good D?

Everything I’ve heard from Yankee fans indicates that his D at 3b is poor. Looking back at his RZRs from 2006, his D numbers at 3b, at least in the larger samples are mostly poor.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Aug 7, 2008 11:51 AM PDT   0 recs

You may be right, and the numbers are inconclusive.

I had seen him a couple of years ago, and he looked pretty good. I had heard he was good at that time. He is a converted SS, although I suppose a lot of 3B are. ZR says he was good in 2005 and 2006 but not at all good in 2007 and 2008.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 7, 2008 12:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, his D numbers from earlier in his career are good.

Recently, they are (much) more mediocre.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Aug 7, 2008 12:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

FWIW

the Mets are trying Dan Murphy at various other positions, including 2b, and corner OF.

Also, Sickels wasn’t the only one who listed Murphy. Goldstein at BPro had Murphy as the Mets #9 prospect, a 2 star. At the start of the season, Goldstein liked Murphy’s hitting skills / pitch recognition, didn’t like his tools / athleticism. In his NL East roundup shortly before the season started, Goldstein had Murphy as a sleeper.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Aug 7, 2008 12:04 PM PDT   0 recs