DLD 8.6.08 -- Gimme Something to Believe In.
Given the stomach punch we've all recently been subjected to, I've been thinking about what could possibly give us hope, here in this seemingly dark pit of despair. I've got something for all of us to believe in: believe in Frank Thomas.
I've done some thinking lately about our venerable DH and his legacy, and I've come to the conclusion that Mr. Thomas has valid reason to be very, very bitter. Thomas has been a vocal advocate for steroids testing for about 13 years. He was the only active player to openly talk to the Mitchell Report. He, if anyone is, is free from the taint of steroids.
I remember, as many of you do, the incredible feat it was to get to 30 home runs in a season, much less 40, 50, 60 or 70. If you couple the way in which home runs were hit prior to the steroids era and the numbers that Big Frank has put up without help, his stats are really impressive.
His awesomeness gets lost in the mix however. Several reasons:
1. Five of the top ten home run hitters of all-time, strangely enough, came to be in the steroids era. We don't have the answers to who and how and how long and all that. But we can, fairly safely I think, assume that not all of those players' numbers are legitimate. If they don't do steroids, Frank stands out more, as he should.
2. He played the majority of his career on the Southside. He was not blessed with a career in a major market, or at least not the top billing in a major market. The White Sox are the Bay Area A's, and the A's are the A's and Toronto is an afterthought in the AL East (I mean, when they're not spanking us). point is, he's never had the full attention of the media in the regular season.
3. He worked the count as well as anyone. Frank, even early in his career, was never opposed to taking a walk. If you didn't give him something to hit, he'd take his base. If you did, or made a mistake, he almost always made you pay for it. But contrary to what we at AN think, walks are not sexy.
4. His playoff experience...well, let's just say he has as much playoff experience in gold and green in one year as he did in 16 with the Sox. We gave him his only postseason winning series. He hasn't really had the media's full attention in the post-season.
5. His home run totals are consistent (thank you, Mr. Morgan) with the home run leaders in the pre-steroids era, also known as "not sexy." Here are his season totals for the last nineteen years: 7, 32, 24, 41, 38, 40, 40, 35, 29, 15, 43, 4, 28, 42, 18, 12, 39, 26, 7. As a point of reference, Reggie led the league in home runs four times. He had 32 in '73, 36 in '75, 41 in '80 and 39 in '82.
Frank Thomas is, essentially, the anti-Bonds. He apparently took the road less traveled. This is not so much an indictment of the steroids era, as much as a call for hailing a contrarian who refused to play along. So, we should, if nothing else, bathe in the splendor and glory that is The Big Hurt for the remainder of the season. He's our guy. And he's gotten the short end of the baseball legacy stick and he's managed to keep a good attitude about it, and let's face it, the guy's just awesome. Huge man-crush. 'Nuff said.
Okay, linky links:
SuSlu's worried about our closer's sleeping.
If Bob Geren says this about you:
"A real base-running mistake," Geren said.
is that the equivalent of a real manager calling you out?
SuSlu also said those bums in the GWN had the audacity to boo Big Frank on Monday. Well, Canada, allow me to say "Boo!" to you:
Frank Thomas, let go by the Blue Jays in April after he complained about diminished playing time, drew scattered boos in his first appearance in Toronto since he was released.
In case you missed it in yesterday's DLD, sslinger brought us emergency sandwich. Apologies for the repeat, but I didn't want anyone to miss it, and I wanted you all to note where the call(s) originated.
JoPo, Live at Budokan, er, China!
Read up on the hero of the day.
Fagitaboutit --this is in my neck of the woods--perhaps I should go up for a couple days and do an AN special report...
Jim Caple at ESPN (I know, I know--I'm sleeping with the enemy) has an interesting debate about closers and their changed role in baseball in the last twenty-five years, including quotes from BB. Billy is asked why the modern ball club will bring in their closer up by three, but not normally in a late-inning situations where the game is clearly on the line:
"I'll tell you why," Oakland general manager Billy Beane says. "It's the same reason more football coaches don't go for it on fourth-and-1. Because when it doesn't work, 30 of you guys come storming in wondering why the manager didn't go to the closer. It's turned into a situation where a lot of emotion is tied to that decision, just as a lot of emotion is tied to the fourth-down decision. Even if you know the odds, it's more comfortable being wrong when you go to the closer or the punter.
"The position has become very media-driven. It became a national story when Boston announced it would go with a bullpen by committee."
It will probably be less of a story in Oakland.
Dump away, peeps, dump away.
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I had a nightmare last night that the A's can't win a baseball game!
Thank god I woke up…
by capper3 on
Aug 6, 2008 7:48 AM PDT
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Ah! It's real! It's real!
Soylient Green is people! Soylient Gr…wait, what?
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
by Leopold Bloom on
Aug 6, 2008 8:06 AM PDT
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Looks like someone
woke up on the wrong side of Suzanne Pleshette this morning!
"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams
by Gaijin_Suketto on
Aug 6, 2008 4:00 PM PDT
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Is there a wrong side?
Stomper is a badass!
by lynnzgal on
Aug 6, 2008 7:17 PM PDT
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Beane talks the talk.
Won’t Geren please walk the walk?
Ziggy watch: 26 G, 34.0 IP, 19 H, 9 BB, 15 K, 72% GB, 0 XBH, 0.00 ERA, ∞ ERA+.
Hershesier stress alert: moderate.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on
Aug 6, 2008 8:28 AM PDT
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comparing closers to 4th down in football
i believe some economists did a study a few years ago on 4th downs. they determined that coaches should go for it more often but don’t because they could get fired. anyone have info on that?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
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Aug 6, 2008 8:55 AM PDT
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Yea....couldnt find the full paper, but
A few years ago, this paper by Berkeley economist David Romer got a lot of publicity. It used to be titled It’s Fourth Down and What Does the Bellman Equation Say? A Dynamic-Programming Analysis of Football Strategy, but he has changed the name to Do Firms Maximize? Evidence from Professional Football. It was just published last month in The Journal of Political Economy.
Bring back Hammer.
by OaktownPower on
Aug 6, 2008 9:33 AM PDT
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(this is bordering on work-related for me....)
Here’s a paper from April 2006: Do Firms Maximize? Evidence from Professional Football
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on
Aug 6, 2008 9:56 AM PDT
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Also just about every in-season Easterbrook (ESPN's TMQ) column harps on this
Teams should go for it a LOT more than they do. It would be better to never punt than to punt as often as they now do (although both strategies are stupid).
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on
Aug 7, 2008 11:47 AM PDT
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The weird thing about it in football
is that most fans actually WANT their team to do the right thing in those situations, so the downside is that someone might write a nasty article?
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on
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Coaches and managers (and GMs) have their own unique utilitiy function,
and a lot of their risk assessment has to do with how the media might respond.
It’s not without rationale, either – look at how Paul DePodesta and Grady Little got run out of town.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on
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the fans WANT it
until it backfires and costs the team a game, and then they want to fire the coach.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on
Aug 6, 2008 9:54 AM PDT
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Fans =/= media
Fans want excitement. The media wants traditional behavior that fits their predeveloped storylines. Those can overlap (eg the hit-and-run in baseball) or conflict (fourth and 1).
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
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Aug 6, 2008 12:24 PM PDT
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predeveloped is the key word here
I’m sure 4th and 1 is evaluated by coaches in terms of risk. They pick the evaluation that conforms with consensus, even if it doesn’t maximize utility. That’s rational on their part in terms of risk.
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I liked the T-Rex one, that's pretty funny.
A couple of questions:
1. If you can have bad communication with a T-Rex “Roar, rawwwwwr, roar” then why did he say in the previous one “Hey look an asteroid run for you lives!”?
2. Do unicorns really make good parachutes? Or are they just messing with me?
—-just messing---i’m bored in math class.
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by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on
Aug 6, 2008 9:17 AM PDT
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Few more questions!
Is that guy gay? The unicorn kinda looks like a girl unicorn, but the t-rex looks like a guy t-rex, just saying!
Oh, is that Mark Ellis dating the unicorn?
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by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on
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Mark Ellis is a P-I-M-P!! PIMPIN'!
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by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on
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What are you doing in math class?
Even here at U of Oregon, with the whole quarters thing, summer school is out.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on
Aug 6, 2008 2:04 PM PDT
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I am taking Summer Semester sessions! Because I'm a total geek.
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by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on
Aug 7, 2008 8:35 AM PDT
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Morning!
Mr. Bloom! Sleep well?
Stomper is a badass!
by lynnzgal on
Aug 6, 2008 8:32 AM PDT
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nope.
tired. and sleepy. and blurry. and making signs.
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
by Leopold Bloom on
Aug 6, 2008 8:40 AM PDT
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Awww!
Well, just be careful with those signs, haha!
Stomper is a badass!
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I had a sign
earlier this morning that was supposed to read “For Rent” but I was so tired that I made the sign to read “For Rend”—someone later came and tore the apartment complex in twain.
Oops.
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
by Leopold Bloom on
Aug 6, 2008 9:09 AM PDT
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LMBO!!
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by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on
Aug 6, 2008 9:31 AM PDT
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LMGMO!
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Question mark?
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by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on
Aug 6, 2008 9:37 AM PDT
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The technical term
for the B or the A
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Okay got it! :D
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by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on
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Huh
Reading the title, I thought for sure there would be a reference to this. Instead, I just have a song stuck in my head…..
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on
Aug 6, 2008 9:04 AM PDT
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It was more the Springsteen song,
but I prefer the one sung by Aimee Mann and Michael Penn.
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
by Leopold Bloom on
Aug 6, 2008 9:07 AM PDT
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And here I thought it was ...
Must be a generational thing.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
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Aug 6, 2008 10:16 AM PDT
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Woo! Aimee reference on AN! Woo!
happy dance
"Sad songs are my favorite songs." - Lenny DiNardo
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Aug 7, 2008 3:27 PM PDT
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I immediately thought
of this Poison song.
(Formerly Nobody Girl)
"We are a complete freak show." -- Billy Beane
by day-to-day on
Aug 6, 2008 11:00 AM PDT
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same here
in fact, when i saw gigglineone’s comment linked to song lyrics, i assumed it was the poison song.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
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Aug 6, 2008 11:03 AM PDT
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Dudes, I was shfitzing so much during that inning!

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Good news for teams I follow
My team in slo-pitch community softball made the finals! The championship game is tomorrow. The favorites were upset in the semi-finals, and they had destroyed us earlier in the season. So, we might actually have a chance in the final round.
In case you’re wondering how nerdy this league is, the teams in the finals are the Robust All-Stars and the Base Pairs. Unfortunately for the astrophysics department, the Compact Objects was eliminated earlier.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on
Aug 6, 2008 9:12 AM PDT
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I have often eliminated Compact Objects
This is the highest-known density of gorillas that's ever been found. @('.')@
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Aug 6, 2008 9:14 AM PDT
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I thought you played washtub bass
for Compact Objects…
"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams
by Gaijin_Suketto on
Aug 6, 2008 4:20 PM PDT
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No, he played gutbucket.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
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Aug 6, 2008 4:31 PM PDT
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Yes, but can you also rap
like the folks in this video from the Large Hadron Collider?
Sure, but it won’t be as funny when they create stranglets that kill us all.
They want to steal the land papers which is why they have tried to break in. But they had to give up after being bitten by Chhotu.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on
Aug 6, 2008 9:19 AM PDT
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That's okay, it isn't all that funny to begin with.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
by salb918 on
Aug 6, 2008 9:34 AM PDT
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Hey, speaking of the LHC.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
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Aug 6, 2008 9:36 AM PDT
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Congrats and good luck
erm..I mean, fortuitous coincidences!
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on
Aug 6, 2008 9:44 AM PDT
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i came to work this morning
to find my chavez bobble like this:

""These guys are a different breed of ballclub." - Twins manager Ron Gardenhire on the A's
by gotgreen on
Aug 6, 2008 9:22 AM PDT
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+1
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by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on
Aug 6, 2008 9:29 AM PDT
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I hurt inside
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
by Joey C. on
Aug 6, 2008 2:05 PM PDT
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We all do, Joey.
We all do.
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
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Aug 6, 2008 2:22 PM PDT
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Perfect
Now all you need is some ear drops for the Travis Buck bobblehead.
Bob Geren and Ken Macha both enjoy jai lai.
by CarGon's Jock on
Aug 6, 2008 4:08 PM PDT
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It's nice to know that someone replaced Dan Johnson.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
by Kyli on
Aug 7, 2008 11:14 PM PDT
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Unsurprisingly,
I dreamt last night about Gio Gonzalez…
"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau
by King Richard on
Aug 6, 2008 9:27 AM PDT
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Woah! Brotha, keep it to yourself! No i'm just messing with ya, so what happened?
Well unless it’s dirty, you might be too embarrassed to share!
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by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on
Aug 6, 2008 9:30 AM PDT
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Maybe this should be our...
CLOSER!!!
She gets it done
Enjoy the game
by DCinWC on
Aug 6, 2008 9:30 AM PDT
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Andrew Brown should steal Huston's rooks next game and tell him "rooks are for closers"
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on
Aug 6, 2008 9:57 AM PDT
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put that coffee down!
coffee is for closers only

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
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the a's should bring in eck to berate street, embree and brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKzMd328bMw
baldwin = eck
mitch and murray = beane and forst
spacey = geren
roma = ziggy (excused from the meeting)
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on
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HA HA HA HA HA
Perfect casting!
"All your baserunner are belong to Greg Smith" ~ walk off bunt
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Aug 6, 2008 10:38 AM PDT
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heh, it works out pretty well
of course street is moss, brown is his sidekick aronow, and embree is old and desperate shelly the machine levine.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
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Aug 6, 2008 10:51 AM PDT
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I'm thinking Foulke is The Machine Levine.
"All your baserunner are belong to Greg Smith" ~ walk off bunt
by Philip Christy on
Aug 6, 2008 10:58 AM PDT
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yeah, the levine character can be an mixture of foulke and embree.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
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Bob Geren is the chalkboard
Bob Geren and Ken Macha both enjoy jai lai.
by CarGon's Jock on
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the A-B-C chalkboard has way too much personality to be geren.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
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I confess!!!
I’m injured too.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on
Aug 7, 2008 11:51 AM PDT
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Simple solution
Fire off one of these in Bristol, CT.
"There's m'fn sprinklers on the m'fn infield!'" - Ice Cream (AN), 6/13/08
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Aug 6, 2008 10:49 AM PDT
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The best part is ESPN is self-ridculing but they just can't stop
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on
Aug 7, 2008 11:52 AM PDT
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Brett Favre is turning into the biggest douche in the universe
But John Edward refuses to give up his award.
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Aug 6, 2008 1:31 PM PDT
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Uh-oh
Commence shitstorm… now!
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
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Aug 6, 2008 2:06 PM PDT
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Maybe he means the psychic.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
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Aug 6, 2008 2:25 PM PDT
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You read my mind
YOU must be psychic, too!
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Yes, he does
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Biggest_Douche_in_the_Universe
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
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Thanks for these comments on Frank Thomas. I realize he is far
better as a player, and as a person, than I had realized. This is really a great post!!
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Why the A's younger players tend to get hurt...
Oakland is in a situation where they have to all turnover their roster. Beane has turned "veterans" into "up-and-comers" for years now. Because he has to do this, he has to get a lot of players who haven’t passed the "injury-free" test of playing 7-10 years of pro-ball injury-free.
If Beane was able to sign a lot of free agents, he would be able to say "well Adam Dunn has played 10 years of pro ball without being on the DL so we’ll sign him and pencil him in everyday."
Because Beane has to get a bunch of young players, he can only say "well we know this kid has only pitched 2 years of pro ball without being on the DL."
My point is that just like statistics leave a track record, so do injuries. Just like FAs in their late 20s have a track record of production, they also have a track record of health. Like young prospects in their early 20s who lack a track record of production, they also lack a track record on health.
So, Beane really has know way of knowing which players will and won’t get hurt (besides the obvious pitchers who have terrible mechanics." If Beane was able to sign FAs, he’d have a much better indication as to which ones will get hurt and which ones won’t.
In other words, the A’s will ALWAYS be in this situation is they’re always a small market ball club.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
by brenarlo on
Aug 6, 2008 10:21 AM PDT
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I think you should post this in EVERY FanPost
Not just the current ones, either—you should go back and post it in every single FanPost/diary ever posted at AN.
There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Aug 6, 2008 10:28 AM PDT
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Or just make it your sig line
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Aug 6, 2008 11:05 AM PDT
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{cough}rabbitball{cough}
There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@
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Vote for Ziggy!
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/fan_forum/gillette/index.jsp
Let's have our Piazza and eat the Cust too - SPWC
by closetasfan on
Aug 6, 2008 10:39 AM PDT
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If its not else where in the DLD, this just in
Sean Gallagher is expected to go on the disabled list with a sore shoulder.
That explains the wildness Monday. A source told the San Francisco Chronicle that Gallagher felt a “pop” in the shoulder in his July 25 start against Texas.
Thats from RotoWorld
by A'sfaninNC on
Aug 6, 2008 10:41 AM PDT
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So...
When does Huston go on the DL?
...and the future is now!
by gio_is_the_future on
Aug 6, 2008 10:59 AM PDT
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when he hears a crackle
I’m assuming Brown heard a snap.
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Sadly
No one in the A’s lineup has Pop.
They want to steal the land papers which is why they have tried to break in. But they had to give up after being bitten by Chhotu.
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Aug 6, 2008 11:36 AM PDT
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Clearly
they don’t hang out with Gallagher often enough.
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It's a sad day when our pitcher has more pop than our lineup
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
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Aug 7, 2008 11:54 AM PDT
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Luckily...
I have something to believe in.
(Yes, I know, boo, hiss.)
Is anyone on AN interested in fantasy football? I wouldn’t be the commish (I suck, I know), but I’d be interested in joining a league.
And a note to Raider fans: no more “behavior that is unruly, disruptive or illegal in nature.“
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What other kind of behavior is there?
Seriously, this kind of behavior is not limited to the Silver ‘n Black. Or is it just too esay to pile on?
"We get two outs, and I was sure, and I had a plan, and I shook Tek off," Schilling said. "And I get a big 'What if?' for the rest of my life."
by Imaseasonticketholder on
Aug 6, 2008 10:53 AM PDT
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No
It’s just they are the only team to actively promote it.
Enjoy the game
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Aug 6, 2008 11:42 AM PDT
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Proof?
"We get two outs, and I was sure, and I had a plan, and I shook Tek off," Schilling said. "And I get a big 'What if?' for the rest of my life."
by Imaseasonticketholder on
Aug 6, 2008 11:47 AM PDT
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He won't have any because
its factually untrue.
Stomper is a badass!
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I'd wager to say that the seats
in the Black Hole are expensive enough to avoid too much chaos. The cheap seat, now, on Mt. Davis…I’ve seen some stuff jump off there. But no more than any other football game. Football is…not as enjoyable live, IMO. The feeling one gets upon entering the stadium is significantly edgier-more aggressive, caustic-than attending a baseball game, though I’ve never been to Fenway…
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
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The Black Hole what?
A large group of passionate fans, who wouldn’t want that? I’m pretty sure the A’s would. Fact is, the behavior described has been well addressed during games for some years now.
Stomper is a badass!
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Sorry, I am biased
Passionate disgust for anything Al Davis touches.
Enjoy the game
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Aug 6, 2008 1:27 PM PDT
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Me too,
The other way. The world is big enough.
Stomper is a badass!
by lynnzgal on
Aug 6, 2008 2:10 PM PDT
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It is?
I thought we lived in a global economy now?
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Aug 6, 2008 2:23 PM PDT
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That movie stunk
Stomp,em, stomp the piss out of em.Then pound the budweiser after the game. Joe Schultz Seattle Piolts Mgr 1969
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i'll send you an invite to my league
mostly the same peeps as the baseball one.
There's no crying in baseball!
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Aug 6, 2008 11:25 AM PDT
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Fantasy Football
Hm, I’ve already joined a league; this is my rookie season as well.
Procrastinators unite....tomorrow
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A guy gets his Subway sandwich WITHOUT sauce,
Goes ballistic, and call the police to complain.
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Aug 6, 2008 11:10 AM PDT
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haha
Subway sandwich, $5
extra sauce, free
911 call, free
common sense, priceless
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BUT
Was it the TASTY FOOT LONG YUM ROCKET?
How do you ask for that one from Jared?
Enjoy the game
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Aug 6, 2008 11:40 AM PDT
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Doesn't matter how you ask him
He can’t give it to you
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
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Aug 7, 2008 11:57 AM PDT
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Gallagher vs Harden
Gallagher hitting DL before Harden does. Did anyone see it coming?
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Larry Davis?
"All your baserunner are belong to Greg Smith" ~ walk off bunt
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Aug 6, 2008 11:52 AM PDT
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Rays just scored three in the bottom of the ninth to tie.
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
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breaking news: giants now have a hitter with double-digit home runs, aaron rowand just hit #10 in game 113.
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
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Home runs don't matter
How many “strickouts” does he have?
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
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Ok, stalkers:
From the latest A’s Fastball:
On Saturday, August 16, after the A’s host the Chicago White Sox at 12:55 p.m., fans can meet Ryan Sweeney at the Outpost Sports Bar & Grill in San Ramon. Ryan will sign autographs one hour following the game at the Outpost Bar & Grill, located at 2251 San Ramon Valley Blvd in San Ramon. Don’t miss this exciting opportunity with the A’s!
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Aug 6, 2008 1:22 PM PDT
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I heard about that
and was excited for about two seconds before I realized I’m going to be out of town for most of that homestand. Dang it! Foiled again!
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Why are none of these guys ever signing
in, you know, Oakland. It’s always some random place in San Ramon, Walnut Creek, or Fremont.
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Thanks for "Frank" talk
He is a class guy. On the other side of the coin,
BLB has been invited
Can’t blame Barry for boycotting, all trace of his tenure in Left has been removed.
Enjoy the game
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Frank Thomas
One major reason Thomas doesn’t get the love he should: The Chicago media has, and always will, hate him. He never got along with the majority of the asshat media people in this city. They were all slobbering over Sammy Sosa, and Thomas never got the love he deserved. If the media in your own city don’t give you the attention you deserve, others won’t. What’s perfect poetic justice is that Thomas received some award in 2006 from the Bay Area media for being friendly, didn’t he? It didn’t help that from the day Kenny Williams took over the GM job he decided to try to run Thomas out of town and took five or ten really blatant cheap shots in the press. More reason why Williams is a complete joke as a GM and as a person. I always hoped I could see Thomas beat Williams until he was hospitalized.
What sickens me is that a lot of White Sox fans don’t acknowledge Thomas as the greatest player in team history. A couple weeks ago, some people were making the case for guys like Dick Allen (a guy who was notoriously a complete ass to everybody).
Thomas deserves to be a first-ballot HOFer, but I sometimes worry he won’t get in at all.
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Nah, man
I think this late-career renaissance will help out. Well, maybe “renaissance” is too strong, but still, dude finished 4th in MVP voting in 2006 after being away from the game for, like, 2 years. I think especially with the steroid era players under scrutiny, Thomas will come out looking even better.
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
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I hope you're right
But I’ve heard writers in the past claim he’s not a HOFer.
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He's primarily been a DH
in his career, which hurts. You could say it’s a…big hurt….
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
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If he had retired after the 2005 season, he would've been primarily a 1B.
I don’t think it should hurt that much.
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Yeah, plus he was an MVP at 1B, eh?
Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.
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True,
and you could make an argument for him spending a good chunk of time at first, so perhaps he won’t be exclusively remembered as a DH. I certainly hope not, but I foresee it being used as an argument against him.
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
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From everything I've read, Dick Allen was aptly named.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
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Phillie fans prefered "Richie" Allen
And bear in mind that he was a take-no-shit, outspoken black man with no love for reporters in an era when that often led to a negative portrayal in the press. So while Richie Allen may have been a dick, rumors of his dickishness may also have been greatly overstated.
They want to steal the land papers which is why they have tried to break in. But they had to give up after being bitten by Chhotu.
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That's true
I wasn’t trying to make a comment about Allen as much as I was saying that Thomas has some sort of unfounded reputation to the point where another guy with an even worse reputation (whether it’s deserved or not, the reputation exists) is getting more love. And that guy was not even close to the baseball player Thomas was.
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Keith Foullke pitced for Sacramento today...
He’s line reminds us why we don’t want him to effectively rehab his way back to the majors…2IP, 3ER, 2HR .
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
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So you're ignoring his very effective performance so far this season in favor of his first rehab outing?
That’s a little strange.
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not as strange as thinking this is very effective performance
HR9 BB9 K9
1.38 4.15 6.92
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
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Using numbers that primarily predict future performance to judge past success is a little strange
His 3.81 ERA, 1.308 WHIP are pretty good. What’s more is that he struggled in his last couple outings after he was already hurt and trying to pitch through it. Through June 15, he had a 2.74 ERA. Then he had three more appearances and three of them were not good (he also had 3 walks in 3 innings, which raised his BB/9 from 3.52 to 4.15. He also gave up 2 of his 4 HR this season in those 3 innings.
Foulke’s been very good for the A’s this year when healthy.
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Yeah,
but he looked at me funny an’ now I’m itchin’ to blast’im!
"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams
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Aug 6, 2008 4:33 PM PDT
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You forget that he's evil.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
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Wasn't his first rehab outing
He gave up two runs Saturday night in 1 inning. Including a looooooooong home run.
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No runners have reached base vs. Pittsburgh's Jeff Karstens
in Arizona today, through 7. (That did not jinx it.)
"All your baserunner are belong to Greg Smith" ~ walk off bunt
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He made it through 7 2/3
Chris Young just hit a double to break up the perfecto.
"There's m'fn sprinklers on the m'fn infield!'" - Ice Cream (AN), 6/13/08
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Aug 6, 2008 2:37 PM PDT
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Oops
I did jinx it. Still, 23 outs before a baserunner is pretty darn good.
"All your baserunner are belong to Greg Smith" ~ walk off bunt
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Gallagher NOT DL'ed
Petit sent down instead. The A’s will go without a backup middle infielder for at least tonight.
"All your baserunner are belong to Greg Smith" ~ walk off bunt
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Aug 6, 2008 2:33 PM PDT
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See, Gallagher is fine
It was only a “pop” he heard. A’s players don’t need the DL until they also heard tearing, shredding, ripping, and little mini explosions.
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Little mini explosions?
< goes on DL >
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on
Aug 6, 2008 3:29 PM PDT
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From the makers of explosions.
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
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It's gonna be a wide open spring training next year
No one except CarGo, the young Sweeney, Zuki, and Ziggy are playing like they want to guarantee a spot on the team next year, not even Duke lately.
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Aug 6, 2008 2:40 PM PDT
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Correct that
Hannahan actually has decent batting avg and RBI in July, and DFA isn’t quietly having a decent July as well. Also forgot to mention Blevins.
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Wow, Miley did have a good July
Of course he’s 1 for 19 in August.
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You'd do well not to forget Blevins
he’s a man among sticks. And have I mentioned that he has ice-water pumping through his veins?
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Good observation
Street, in contrast, looks exactly like the opposite of having ice water in his veins, can’t think of a better way of saying it..
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Unless he's traded or injured
I guarantee you Duke will be on the roster (and should be).
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
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They weren't using him anyway. We have iron men in themiddle infield. :-S
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I'd love to see the infield
of Hannahan, Davis, Ellis & Barton after Crosby collides with himself and leaves the game.
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French innovate with oenoterrorism.
I’m thinking about innovating with onanoterrorism.
Or perhaps just some noisy Onoterrorism.
There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@
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http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7913
has some good stuff to say about the A’s, particularly (sorry for those that don’t have a subscription):
I guess it’s also nice to see the A’s belatedly get back to having Petit around as their utility infielder, but I can’t help but wonder about the basic pointlessness of the Conrad call-up. It’s the Lord Jim experience writ small, because just as one night’s bad call on a creaky, leaky tramp steamer should not a career make, no more than a six starts is far from an adequate basis upon which to make any sort of determination on his use (or lack of it). I guess I just wonder what the point of keeping Emil Brown is at this point, since it should already be obvious that there’s nothing to see there, and with the Big Hurt back, a right-handed bat to help out in the middle of the order is a lot less of a problem than trying to sort out how to employ an infield that might do something to help them score a few runs.
rebuildingseason.blogspot.com
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Aug 6, 2008 2:48 PM PDT
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So much for Petit
Thanks Philip Christy (see 2 posts above)
rebuildingseason.blogspot.com
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damn
it’s his fault that the no-no got blown. It’s his fault that Petit got sent back down. In fact, I think we can probably trace the roots problems of this season back to Phillip Christy. Thanks a lot, Phillip Christy—this season sucks and it’s all your fault!
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
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Hey
At least my fantasy team’s doing well.
"All your baserunner are belong to Greg Smith" ~ walk off bunt
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Oh, that's doomed now too.
Sorry. Apparently, you’ve angered Shiva or some such entity.
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
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My team
would kick Shiva’s team’s ass.
"All your baserunner are belong to Greg Smith" ~ walk off bunt
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Aug 6, 2008 3:33 PM PDT
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Your team must be powerful indeed
to best the god of creation and destruction.
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
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Shiva's made some bad trades
and put too much faith in Daric Barton as a lower round pick for his first baseman.
"All your baserunner are belong to Greg Smith" ~ walk off bunt
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What does Emil Brown have to do with the infielders. Did his 1 emergency inning at
1b, make Billy think he didn’t need any extra infielders.
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yes.
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
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AN fantasy football on Yahoo
League ID#: 330214
League Name: Athletics Nation 2008
Password: ziggy
Custom League URL: http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/athleticsnation
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I'm in.
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
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prepare to lose!!!
no, not you all, I’m just trying to prepare myself….I suck at this….
There's no crying in baseball!
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Shameless self-promotion - for SoCal ANers
I’m playing at House of Blues (Hollywood) tomorrow night with my buddy, and longtime A’s fan, Micah Anderson. We go on around 9ish, in the Parish Room. If anyone’s in the area, stop by and say hi. But if you do, make sure you print this flyer out for $5 off at the door.
I’m also playing with a great singer from the UK, Noush Skaugen. Here’s a video she did at the Key Club a few months back. No shows booked now, but stay tuned to my site for showdates.
And…scene.
It's Rhodes Scholar Night at the Coliseum tonight.
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Bad linkage - user error?
Don’t know why the three links don’t work. Tried again, and all three did the same thing. Maybe because I just typed in the links, after clicking the link button, instead of copy and paste? Off to rehearsal, or I’d try again. Here’s regular links…
www.micahanderson.com
www.noushskaugen.com
www.myspace.com/scottbass
It's Rhodes Scholar Night at the Coliseum tonight.
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I have a date...
... with my DVD player tonight, otherwise I’d show up.
Have fun!
"Sad songs are my favorite songs." - Lenny DiNardo
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Surprisingly few comments on the Frank Thomas stuff...
...so I’d like to thank the OP for posting it. I enjoyed reading it, and liked your points.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
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Thanks, UncleLeo~
By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@
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Saw this on the sports ticker...
...on The Onion...
A’s Rookie On Breaking 101-Year-Old Record: ‘All Right, All Right, I’m Taking Steroids’
Eh…they’ve been funnier.
I want a Yanks-and-Sawx-less postseason...
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Goats desperate to escape Nico

They want to steal the land papers which is why they have tried to break in. But they had to give up after being bitten by Chhotu.
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Favre: 'Start spreading the news'
ESPN reporting that Brett Favre has been traded to the NY Jets.
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Awesome visual history post question
Why are comments closed on that FanPost and why is it not on the rec list with 20+ recs?
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we can't recommend it enough
"The Athletics at Fremont" is quite bad
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Because it was originally created in May, so it fell off the list. He just changed some info, so
the date never changed.
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All true, but
the closed comments and not making the recommended list problems were also present when the post was current. I suspect admin did something unusual with it (because it was nationally linked and thus possible troll/spambot bait), and the action had some unforeseen effects.
They want to steal the land papers which is why they have tried to break in. But they had to give up after being bitten by Chhotu.
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According to ESPNews
the Rays just claimed Chad Bradford off waivers from… wait for it… the A’s
(Formerly Nobody Girl)
"We are a complete freak show." -- Billy Beane
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Another reason for me to want the Rays to win.
I love Chadford in the way that people love both pie and delicious cake, except with no lie involved. Only delicious.
Also, I’m fairly sure that ESPN is not aware that the Orioles are actually a major league team.
"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."
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Cause I don't believe in you anymore, anymore...
Stuck on Buck :)
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