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DLD 8.6.08 -- Gimme Something to Believe In.

Given the stomach punch we've all recently been subjected to, I've been thinking about what could possibly give us hope, here in this seemingly dark pit of despair.  I've got something for all of us to believe in: believe in Frank Thomas.

I've done some thinking lately about our venerable DH and his legacy, and I've come to the conclusion that Mr. Thomas has valid reason to be very, very bitter.  Thomas has been a vocal advocate for steroids testing for about 13 years.  He was the only active player to openly talk to the Mitchell Report.  He, if anyone is, is free from the taint of steroids.

I remember, as many of you do, the incredible feat it was to get to 30 home runs in a season, much less 40, 50, 60 or 70.  If you couple the way in which home runs were hit prior to the steroids era and the numbers that Big Frank has put up without  help, his stats are really impressive. 

His awesomeness gets lost in the mix however.  Several reasons:

1.  Five of the top ten home run hitters of all-time, strangely enough, came to be in the steroids era.  We don't have the answers to who and how and how long and all that.  But we can, fairly safely I think, assume that not all of those players' numbers are legitimate.  If they don't do steroids, Frank stands out more, as he should.

2.  He played the majority of his career on the Southside.  He was not blessed with a career in a major market, or at least not the top billing in a major market.  The White Sox are the Bay Area A's, and the A's are the A's and Toronto is an afterthought in the AL East (I mean, when they're not spanking us).  point is, he's never had the full attention of the media in the regular season.

3.  He worked the count as well as anyone.  Frank, even early in his career, was never opposed to taking a walk.  If you didn't give him something to hit, he'd take his base.  If you did, or made a mistake, he almost always made you pay for it.  But contrary to what we at AN think, walks are not sexy.

4.  His playoff experience...well, let's just say he has as much playoff experience in gold and green in one year as he did in 16 with the Sox.  We gave him his only postseason winning series.  He hasn't really had the media's full attention in the post-season.

5.  His home run totals are consistent (thank you, Mr. Morgan) with the home run leaders in the pre-steroids era, also known as "not sexy."  Here are his season totals for the last nineteen years: 7, 32, 24, 41, 38, 40, 40, 35, 29, 15, 43, 4, 28, 42, 18, 12, 39, 26, 7.  As a point of reference, Reggie led the league in home runs four times.  He had 32 in '73, 36 in '75, 41 in '80 and 39 in '82.

Frank Thomas is, essentially, the anti-Bonds.  He apparently took the road less traveled.  This is not so much an indictment of the steroids era, as much as a call for hailing a contrarian who refused to play along.  So, we should, if nothing else, bathe in the splendor and glory that is The Big Hurt for the remainder of the season.  He's our guy.  And he's gotten the short end of the baseball legacy stick and he's managed to keep a good attitude about it, and let's face it, the guy's just awesome.  Huge man-crush.  'Nuff said.

 

Okay, linky links:

SuSlu's worried about our closer's sleeping.

If Bob Geren says this about you:

"A real base-running mistake," Geren said.

is that the equivalent of a real manager calling you out?

SuSlu also said those bums in the GWN had the audacity to boo Big Frank on Monday.  Well, Canada, allow me to say "Boo!" to you:

Frank Thomas, let go by the Blue Jays in April after he complained about diminished playing time, drew scattered boos in his first appearance in Toronto since he was released.

In case you missed it in yesterday's DLD, sslinger brought us emergency sandwich.  Apologies for the repeat, but I didn't  want anyone to miss it, and I wanted you all to note where the call(s) originated.

JoPo, Live at Budokan, er, China!

Read up on the hero of the day.

Fagitaboutit --this is in my neck of the woods--perhaps I should go up for a couple days and do an AN special report...

Jim Caple at ESPN (I know, I know--I'm sleeping with the enemy) has an interesting debate about closers and their changed role in baseball in the last twenty-five years, including quotes from BB.  Billy is asked why the modern ball club will bring in their closer up by three, but not normally in a late-inning situations where the game is clearly on the line:

"I'll tell you why," Oakland general manager Billy Beane says. "It's the same reason more football coaches don't go for it on fourth-and-1. Because when it doesn't work, 30 of you guys come storming in wondering why the manager didn't go to the closer. It's turned into a situation where a lot of emotion is tied to that decision, just as a lot of emotion is tied to the fourth-down decision. Even if you know the odds, it's more comfortable being wrong when you go to the closer or the punter.

"The position has become very media-driven. It became a national story when Boston announced it would go with a bullpen by committee."

It will probably be less of a story in Oakland.

Dump away, peeps, dump away.

 

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Ah! It's real! It's real!

Soylient Green is people! Soylient Gr…wait, what?

By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 6, 2008 8:06 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Looks like someone

woke up on the wrong side of Suzanne Pleshette this morning!

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams

by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 6, 2008 4:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Beane talks the talk.

Won’t Geren please walk the walk?

Ziggy watch: 26 G, 34.0 IP, 19 H, 9 BB, 15 K, 72% GB, 0 XBH, 0.00 ERA, ∞ ERA+.

Hershesier stress alert: moderate.

Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.

by salb918 on Aug 6, 2008 8:28 AM PDT reply reply   0 recs

comparing closers to 4th down in football

i believe some economists did a study a few years ago on 4th downs. they determined that coaches should go for it more often but don’t because they could get fired. anyone have info on that?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2008 8:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yea....couldnt find the full paper, but

A few years ago, this paper by Berkeley economist David Romer got a lot of publicity. It used to be titled It’s Fourth Down and What Does the Bellman Equation Say? A Dynamic-Programming Analysis of Football Strategy, but he has changed the name to Do Firms Maximize? Evidence from Professional Football. It was just published last month in The Journal of Political Economy.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Aug 6, 2008 9:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

(this is bordering on work-related for me....)

Here’s a paper from April 2006: Do Firms Maximize? Evidence from Professional Football

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Aug 6, 2008 9:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Also just about every in-season Easterbrook (ESPN's TMQ) column harps on this

Teams should go for it a LOT more than they do. It would be better to never punt than to punt as often as they now do (although both strategies are stupid).

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 7, 2008 11:47 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The weird thing about it in football

is that most fans actually WANT their team to do the right thing in those situations, so the downside is that someone might write a nasty article?

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Aug 6, 2008 9:42 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Coaches and managers (and GMs) have their own unique utilitiy function,

and a lot of their risk assessment has to do with how the media might respond.

It’s not without rationale, either – look at how Paul DePodesta and Grady Little got run out of town.

Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.

by salb918 on Aug 6, 2008 9:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

the fans WANT it

until it backfires and costs the team a game, and then they want to fire the coach.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2008 9:54 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yup

If the team gets that yard, the coach is a genius. Otherwise, pack your bags and see what college programs are hiring.

Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.

by Joey C. on Aug 6, 2008 2:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Fans =/= media

Fans want excitement. The media wants traditional behavior that fits their predeveloped storylines. Those can overlap (eg the hit-and-run in baseball) or conflict (fourth and 1).

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 6, 2008 12:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

predeveloped is the key word here

I’m sure 4th and 1 is evaluated by coaches in terms of risk. They pick the evaluation that conforms with consensus, even if it doesn’t maximize utility. That’s rational on their part in terms of risk.

by ohmangoAs on Aug 6, 2008 12:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Okay, forgive me guys

but I just had to post this
for the ladies.

First one’s for you Jennifer.

Stomper is a badass!

by lynnzgal on Aug 6, 2008 8:31 AM PDT reply reply   0 recs

I liked the T-Rex one, that's pretty funny.

A couple of questions:

1. If you can have bad communication with a T-Rex “Roar, rawwwwwr, roar” then why did he say in the previous one “Hey look an asteroid run for you lives!”?

2. Do unicorns really make good parachutes? Or are they just messing with me?

—-just messing---i’m bored in math class.

AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
********OaKlAnDaThLeTiCs********

by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Aug 6, 2008 9:17 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Few more questions!

Is that guy gay? The unicorn kinda looks like a girl unicorn, but the t-rex looks like a guy t-rex, just saying!

Oh, is that Mark Ellis dating the unicorn?

AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
********OaKlAnDaThLeTiCs********

by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Aug 6, 2008 9:19 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Mark Ellis is a P-I-M-P!! PIMPIN'!

AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
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by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Aug 6, 2008 9:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Haha!

You ARE bored!

Stomper is a badass!

by lynnzgal on Aug 6, 2008 9:26 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

What are you doing in math class?

Even here at U of Oregon, with the whole quarters thing, summer school is out.

Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.

by Joey C. on Aug 6, 2008 2:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I am taking Summer Semester sessions! Because I'm a total geek.

AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
********OaKlAnDaThLeTiCs********

by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Aug 7, 2008 8:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Morning!

Mr. Bloom! Sleep well?

Stomper is a badass!

by lynnzgal on Aug 6, 2008 8:32 AM PDT reply reply   0 recs

nope.

tired. and sleepy. and blurry. and making signs.

By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 6, 2008 8:40 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Awww!

Well, just be careful with those signs, haha!

Stomper is a badass!

by lynnzgal on Aug 6, 2008 8:48 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Enjoy the game

by DCinWC on Aug 6, 2008 9:05 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I had a sign

earlier this morning that was supposed to read “For Rent” but I was so tired that I made the sign to read “For Rend”—someone later came and tore the apartment complex in twain.

Oops.

By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 6, 2008 9:09 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

LMBO!!

AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
********OaKlAnDaThLeTiCs********

by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Aug 6, 2008 9:31 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

LMGMO!

In search of a new signature. Say something funny and you may see your comment here!

by DMOAS on Aug 6, 2008 9:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Question mark?

AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
********OaKlAnDaThLeTiCs********

by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Aug 6, 2008 9:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The technical term

for the B or the A

In search of a new signature. Say something funny and you may see your comment here!

by DMOAS on Aug 6, 2008 11:01 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Okay got it! :D

AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
********OaKlAnDaThLeTiCs********

by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Aug 7, 2008 8:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Huh

Reading the title, I thought for sure there would be a reference to this. Instead, I just have a song stuck in my head…..

There's no crying in baseball!

by gigglingone on Aug 6, 2008 9:04 AM PDT reply reply   0 recs

It was more the Springsteen song,

but I prefer the one sung by Aimee Mann and Michael Penn.

By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 6, 2008 9:07 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

And here I thought it was ...

this one.

Must be a generational thing.

The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus

by The Dogfather on Aug 6, 2008 10:16 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Woo! Aimee reference on AN! Woo!

happy dance

"Sad songs are my favorite songs." - Lenny DiNardo

by cagrrrl on Aug 7, 2008 3:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I immediately thought

of this Poison song.

(Formerly Nobody Girl)
"We are a complete freak show." -- Billy Beane

by day-to-day on Aug 6, 2008 11:00 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

same here

in fact, when i saw gigglineone’s comment linked to song lyrics, i assumed it was the poison song.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2008 11:03 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Dudes, I was shfitzing so much during that inning!

AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
********OaKlAnDaThLeTiCs********

by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Aug 6, 2008 9:10 AM PDT reply reply   0 recs

Good news for teams I follow

My team in slo-pitch community softball made the finals! The championship game is tomorrow. The favorites were upset in the semi-finals, and they had destroyed us earlier in the season. So, we might actually have a chance in the final round.

In case you’re wondering how nerdy this league is, the teams in the finals are the Robust All-Stars and the Base Pairs. Unfortunately for the astrophysics department, the Compact Objects was eliminated earlier.

Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.

by salb918 on Aug 6, 2008 9:12 AM PDT reply reply   0 recs

I have often eliminated Compact Objects

This is the highest-known density of gorillas that's ever been found. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 6, 2008 9:14 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I thought you played washtub bass

for Compact Objects…

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams

by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 6, 2008 4:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

No, he played gutbucket.

Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.

by salb918 on Aug 6, 2008 4:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yes, but can you also rap

like the folks in this video from the Large Hadron Collider?

Sure, but it won’t be as funny when they create stranglets that kill us all.

They want to steal the land papers which is why they have tried to break in. But they had to give up after being bitten by Chhotu.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Aug 6, 2008 9:19 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That's okay, it isn't all that funny to begin with.

Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.

by salb918 on Aug 6, 2008 9:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hey, speaking of the LHC.

You can helicopters cancer.

Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.

by salb918 on Aug 6, 2008 9:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Congrats and good luck

erm..I mean, fortuitous coincidences!

"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL

by oblique on Aug 6, 2008 9:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i came to work this morning

to find my chavez bobble like this:

""These guys are a different breed of ballclub." - Twins manager Ron Gardenhire on the A's

by gotgreen on Aug 6, 2008 9:22 AM PDT reply reply   0 recs

+1

AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
********OaKlAnDaThLeTiCs********

by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Aug 6, 2008 9:29 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

LOL

awww division

"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL

by oblique on Aug 6, 2008 9:42 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I hurt inside

Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.

by Joey C. on Aug 6, 2008 2:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

We all do, Joey.

We all do.

By process of elimination (the only process I endorse), I guess that makes you a piece of lamb. @('.')@

by Leopold Bloom on Aug 6, 2008 2:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Perfect

Now all you need is some ear drops for the Travis Buck bobblehead.

Bob Geren and Ken Macha both enjoy jai lai.

by CarGon's Jock on Aug 6, 2008 4:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It's nice to know that someone replaced Dan Johnson.

"This must be heaven," he says.
"No. It's Oakland."

by Kyli on Aug 7, 2008 11:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Unsurprisingly,

I dreamt last night about Gio Gonzalez…

"Life is a horizontal fall" -Jean Cocteau

by King Richard on Aug 6, 2008 9:27 AM PDT reply reply   0 recs

Woah! Brotha, keep it to yourself! No i'm just messing with ya, so what happened?

Well unless it’s dirty, you might be too embarrassed to share!

AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
********OaKlAnDaThLeTiCs********

by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Aug 6, 2008 9:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Maybe this should be our...

CLOSER!!!

She gets it done

Enjoy the game

by DCinWC on Aug 6, 2008 9:30 AM PDT reply reply   0 recs

put that coffee down!

coffee is for closers only

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2008 10:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

the a's should bring in eck to berate street, embree and brown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKzMd328bMw

baldwin = eck
mitch and murray = beane and forst
spacey = geren
roma = ziggy (excused from the meeting)

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2008 10:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

HA HA HA HA HA

Perfect casting!

"All your baserunner are belong to Greg Smith" ~ walk off bunt

by Philip Christy on Aug 6, 2008 10:38 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

heh, it works out pretty well

of course street is moss, brown is his sidekick aronow, and embree is old and desperate shelly the machine levine.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2008 10:51 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I'm thinking Foulke is The Machine Levine.

"All your baserunner are belong to Greg Smith" ~ walk off bunt

by Philip Christy on Aug 6, 2008 10:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

yeah, the levine character can be an mixture of foulke and embree.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2008 11:06 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0