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Gallagher Injury Vent Thread

Word on the street is Gallagher is hurt. Are the A's just running into a string of bad luck (trading hudson for meyer, record DL uses two seasons in a row, and now trading major injury risk Harden for supposedly solid Gallagher) or are they not checking out players enough before the trade for them? I personally think it's just bad luck but it's news like this that makes me second guess myself...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/05/SPK7125IO5.DTL

"Potentially more bad news for the A's, who have lost 17 of 19: Starter Sean Gallagher, obtained in the Rich Harden deal last month, is likely to go on the disabled list today to make room for Gonzalez. Gallagher has had some shoulder soreness, which might account for his four walks and two hit batters in three innings Monday. Dan Meyer is expected to take Gallagher's spot in the rotation, at least initially."

"The A's have not announced that Gallagher will be placed on the DL, but after Tuesday's game, manager Bob Geren confirmed that the right-hander has some shoulder discomfort. Earlier in the day, he had mentioned that Gallagher's next start might be pushed back but he did not explain why that might be."

*** UPDATE *** A'sfaninNC points to some rotoworld news: "Sean Gallagher is expected to go on the disabled list with a sore shoulder.  That explains the wildness Monday. A source told the San Francisco Chronicle that Gallagher felt a “pop” in the shoulder in his July 25 start against Texas."

Why the hell would he go out and start again 5 days later after feeling a pop? I'm going to give the medical staff the benefit of the doubt and assume that he did not tell them about the pop.  Geren needs to sit the team down and tell them if they are hurt they need to tell the training staff (hint, hint huston street) and that hiding it always makes it worse.

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I guess we're all for breaking

records this year?

-Ziggy’s start.
-using the DL
-losing every game in Aug?

well crap… maybe we should just let all the A’s play for the Rivercats and defend their title… maybe the winning will rub off to next year.

by buddahead9 on Aug 5, 2008 11:06 PM PDT   0 recs

What did we do to deserve all these injuries

over the past few years?

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Aug 5, 2008 11:08 PM PDT   0 recs

Make players play through them?

Rush them back from minor injuries, rather than putting them on the DL?
Send them to crappy doctors so they’d need multiple surgeries?

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 5, 2008 11:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I actually think the A's pitching program is fine

If anything, the A’s have had fewer pitching injuries than a typical team lately. So this is probably just a turn of bad luck.

It’s the position players who seem to suffer injuries at a coincidence-defying rate.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 5, 2008 11:09 PM PDT   0 recs

If by lately you mean since June, I guess so.

Duchscherer, Harden, Street, Gallagher (maybe), Devine, Brown, Casilla all on the DL this year. I’m not counting Foulke and Calero obviously, but I list them here for effect.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 5, 2008 11:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Some of those guys had preexisting conditions

and believe it or not… that’s a pretty typical injury rate. I mean, look at the Yankees—their entire Kennedy/Hughes/Joba trio has been hit by injuries. Pitching in MLB is an unhealthy occupation.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 5, 2008 11:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't remember it being this bad until about 2005

of course the exceptions being Hudson in the 2002 playoffs and the occasional oblique and Mulder in 2003. Having half a dozen pitchers on the DL at once has become somewhat expected the last couple of years. It doesn’t seem normal at all to me.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 5, 2008 11:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But of course...

Not even surprised when I read this stuff anymore.

Freemont was a baaad choice!!

by dboysick on Aug 5, 2008 11:17 PM PDT   0 recs

Please no one say Harden's going to be heatlhy for the next few years and G's not

just because the karma of Fan’s wishing the opposite so the trade is “won”

by TheLC on Aug 5, 2008 11:29 PM PDT   0 recs

It is ironic that Harden's healthy and Gallagher's going on the DL.

That Gaudin’s picking up wins and Patterson and Murton….well are Patterson and Murton.

I guess Donaldson’s been good.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 5, 2008 11:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Donaldson's been VERY good so far.

Hot dogs, get your hot dogs.

by jjham15 on Aug 6, 2008 10:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Pitching Injuries

As someone who has been following baseball a long time, it seems to me that there are far more MLB pitching injuries these days than there were ten or twenty or thirty years ago.

It’s possible, of course, that the big difference is that two or three decades ago, pitching injuries often took place in the minors, and those pitchers never recovered, so that those who actually reached the majors had a history of being healthy and were likely to last longer.

by richwol1 on Aug 5, 2008 11:42 PM PDT   0 recs

What's even more likely is you just don't remember the fringe guys who got hurt and disappeared

And pitching injuries were, more often than now, career-ending. You didn’t have lots of DL stints. You had a guy released at the end of his one-year deal and nobody ever heard from him again. Every now and then I’ll run across a baseball card or a name on baseballreference.com and go “wow, I remember that guy. What happened to him?” and it turns out his arm fell off.

There is probably some truth to what you’re saying about guys 30 or more years ago though. I have heard that pitchers used to throw a lot more minor league innings than they do now (without huge bonuses and with the reserve clause, this seems logical).

by thejd44 on Aug 5, 2008 11:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Interesting point

We are probably the same vintage baseball fan. I thought about this, and I think the coverage of sports has expanded so much since the 70’s we hear about every hangnail, and boo boo they get. A far cry from the 30 sec sports cast on the local news. But I do agree that the use of the DL has increased; with the value of the contracts these days owners are more apt to try and protect their “investment” than in the past. The attitude then was unless your arm was hanging by a thread, the trainer would tell the player to get back on the field.

Stomp,em, stomp the piss out of em.Then pound the budweiser after the game. Joe Schultz Seattle Piolts Mgr 1969

by billyball1981 on Aug 6, 2008 7:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes. It doesn't mean pitchers are hurt more

It just means teams are acknowleding it more. In the past teams didn’t care if the average pitcher blew out his arm because they could get another one for the same price.

by thejd44 on Aug 6, 2008 11:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ah, the good old days...

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams

by Gaijin_Suketto on Aug 6, 2008 1:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not sure if that's true

Teams did acknowledge injury. But I recall it was rarely the case that so many pitching staffs dealt with so much injury on a regular basis. I’m just suggesting that some of the weeding might have taken place in the minor leagues, and in the majors in the sense that when a player went down, it was permanent. He didn’t start up again and spend the next seven years on and off the DL. Thirty years ago, Mike Hampton would have been ancient history by now. Same with Smoltz. Same, perhaps, with Harden.

There is, of course, the possibility that despite (or because of) pitch counts, despite (or because of) new regimens, despite all the doctors and health gurus, pitchers are being misued to a greater degree than they were thirty years ago, in which case all the current theories need to be revised.

Without definitive proof, I can’t assert that pitchers today are injured more, or less, than a decade or two or three ago, though that’s my memory. But it makes sense to think that more and more of what we call “damaged goods” are making it to the majors because of surgical and rehab solutions at both the minor league and major league levels, and these players are more likely go down again than pitchers with a previous history of health.

by richwol1 on Aug 6, 2008 4:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thinking about the narrative in "Season of 49"

about the Yankees and Red Sox pennant race, and “The Last Good Season” as well as “Big Train” about Walter Johnson’s career, I have to go with =both= factors mentioned above: That enough innings in the minors usually caused those pitchers lacking the biology to endure all the way to the majors to be packing up and calling it a career early. Don’t forget, even major league players had off-season jobs, so the line between being a “professional ball player” and a typical working stiff was easy to pass through. Probably every third “athletic” guy played ball and was “on his way” but then was out, because they were hurt, or had a family to support. So if you retired at 21, you simply joined the path of tons of people. And never to be heard from.

Players played hurt, too, until they couldn’t play. Excerpt from “The Last Good Season” page 125 about pitcher Carl Erskine:
“He was bright and friendly and he could pitch—a quick overhand delivery that hurt him almost every time he threw. In the first start of his rookie season of 1948, he was pitching in the rain against the Cubs when, on a third strike, Erskine felt a sharp pain in his shoulder. The injury was diagnosed as a pulled muscle, the “cure” for which was generally keeping quiet and not losing a turn on the mound. Besides, his manager at the time, Burt Shotton, told him he was pitching well, so why sit? The injury never healed. Instead, a knot the size of a golf ball developed in his pitching shoulder, a marker so familiar to Dodger trainers that many years after he retired one of them approached Erskine, placed a hand on his should, pressed in, and said, “Right there?”
“Erskine did have some fine seasons. His best was 1953 when he won twenty games for the only time and struck out fourteen Yankees in a World Series game. He had pitched a no-hitter in 1952, against the Cubs at Ebbetts Field. Still, he spent his career trying to find a way to pitch with a tolerable degree of pain. He did not complain, or ask to skip a turn in the rotation. He was smaller than most of the other pitchers, wo marveled at how much he squeezed out of so slender a frame.
...page 128 (1956) “Carl Erskine, meanwhile, struggled. His arm hurt so badly he wanted to go to Doc Wendler, the team physician, but was embarrassed because he felt he had gone to him too many times before. So in Chicago he called the Cubs’ trainer, Al Scheunemann. Scheunemann, a generous man who’d once worked for the Dodger organization, came to Erskine’s hotel room, examined his right arm, and told him he would give him an injection of procaine and cortisone. Erskine had never had such a shot before, and Scheunemann wamed him it would hurt.”

The exceptional few did well. And stayed healthy.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Aug 6, 2008 8:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think there are a number of factors

But an important one is that once pitchers stopped going 9 innings, they were able to put more effort into each pitch. More effort = more injury risk (and more difficult pitches to hit).

Also, if you go back enough years, pitchers were allowed to doctor the crap out of the ball, so their success was more about doctoring ability than other things that could expose injury risk.

Finally, the number of “pitches” has expanded over the years, and some of them seem to contribute (as an example, Harden now limits himself to FB/CH)

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 7, 2008 10:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

More effort?

I’m not sure if that’s the case. I’ve never heard that mentioned from any pitcher, either in the past or present. I think it’s a good argument that the reason why pitchers now go six innings is because there are so many patient batters, but also - back when, even after pitch counts were used in broadcasts, a lot of pitchers went 120-130 pitches per game. Also, pitching rotations were often four-man, which means there were LOTS more innings thrown. I remember an early Bill James study which found that pitchers who went over 300 innings were at risk for injury or down years in succeeding years. Now, how many pitchers actually go much over 200 innings?

Not sure if doctoring the ball saved the pitcher from exposure to injury. Do you have anything to back that up, or is it just complete conjecture?

by richwol1 on Aug 7, 2008 12:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The effort point

You’ll hear a lot of older pitchers talk about how they just got the ball over the plate until there were base runners (since so few people could hit HRs, there were more bad hitters, and they had 300 innings to pitch).

As for doctored pitches (spitballs initially, then scuffed balls) here’s some relevant reference.

"The spitball, which is probably the most deceptive ball that a batter ever struck at, is thrown at medium speed. If thrown fast it loses its effect…If it is too slow it will break too soon and will probably hit the ground before it reaches the catcher.

You hold the ball like you was [sic] going to throw a fast ball, with two fingers on the top of the wet section.

In other words, you’re throwing a soft fastball and the ball’s movement does all the deception. This is a LOT easier on your arm than a max-effort fastball or a conventional breaking pitch.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 7, 2008 12:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Very interesting

Thanks for the info.

by richwol1 on Aug 7, 2008 4:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

One thought I forgot

Expansion has allowed for the less than Major league caliber of pitcher to secure jobs. Those who would be buried in the lower levels would never see the Majors. Therefore it is my belief that expansion has diluted true pitching talent thus why there are more homeruns and big innings. 30 years ago if you were down by four runs it was over. But what are you going to do? It is what it is.

Stomp,em, stomp the piss out of em.Then pound the budweiser after the game. Joe Schultz Seattle Piolts Mgr 1969

by billyball1981 on Aug 7, 2008 6:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Numbers don't support that

US population has doubled since the time of 16 teams, now 30 teams. And, more players coming from more countries, whose population of players has also grown extensively.

A player from Podunkie, Idaho, who only had some local semi-pro “coach” to instruct him in 1953 now has videos, better coaches, more access to better training, etc. It is easier now to assess talent than ever was before, maybe 3x or 4x better. No letter writing, like in the old days.

I’d say in the 1950’s and 1960’s it certainly wasn’t any different than now being down by four runs. Go to baseballreference.com and look up HoFer Robin Roberts. How did he win, and how did he lose, so many games a season?? Because teams “down by four” came back.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Aug 7, 2008 10:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow, how ironic

The guy we got for Harden is going to go on the DL. Priceless.

I think it’s good, though, as he had major control issues. Now the rotation is Duchscherer, Smith, Gonzalez, Braden, and Meyer I guess. There really isn’t anyone else that I can think of that might get a shot, besides maybe Saarloos, who would be a waste to bring up.

"A’s baseball….It’s almost better than a stick in the eye." ~ alox

by Gallagher's Watermelons on Aug 6, 2008 12:16 AM PDT   0 recs

Lenny!

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 6, 2008 1:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, that is ironic.

How does this keep happening ?????? One pitcher after another! Enough already!

by IM4Oakgal on Aug 6, 2008 1:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

DL Duke soon, then use eveland/dinardo

then go to to that plan of a 6 man rotation, that will be all lefties…if this team sucks, at least make it weird and interesting

by Asfan4ever723 on Aug 6, 2008 5:55 AM PDT   0 recs

Who is to blame?

Seems like everyone wants to see some changes, whether it is Ziggy or Blevins closing games or dumping some players who have become more of a drag than an asset, but is there more to this than it appears on the surface? With 2 years in a row now of more than half of the A’s players making trips to the DL, are there questions being asked as to WHY things are such a mess? Can it be the trainers? Medical staff? Conditioning coaches? Maybe it is time to DFA some of them as well, because their trade value sucks!!

The swinging (and missing) A's of 2008!!

by OakFaninFL on Aug 6, 2008 6:39 AM PDT   0 recs

Brenarlo

“Control F” brenarlo for half the answer

by ohmangoAs on Aug 6, 2008 12:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

For the love of god.

Beane needs to sacrifice a player to appease the baseball gods. Huston Street’s looking like a good candidate…

by OldhamA on Aug 6, 2008 8:00 AM PDT   0 recs

I think is what happens when you have a bunch of young players

Oakland is in a situation where they have to all turnover their roster. Beane has turned “veterans” into “up-and-comers” for years now. Because he has to do this, he has to get a lot of players who haven’t passed the “injury-free” test of playing 7-10 years of pro-ball injury-free.

If Beane was able to sign a lot of free agents, he would be able to say “well Adam Dunn has played 10 years of pro ball without being on the DL so we’ll sign him and pencil him in everyday.”

Because Beane has to get a bunch of young players, he can only say “well we know this kid has only pitched 2 years of pro ball without being on the DL.”

My point is that just like statistics leave a track record, so do injuries. Just like FAs in their late 20s have a track record of production, they also have a track record of health. Like young prospects in their early 20s who lack a track record of production, they also lack a track record on health.

So, Beane really has know way of knowing which players will and won’t get hurt (besides the obvious pitchers who have terrible mechanics.” If Beane was able to sign FAs, he’d have a much better indication as to which ones will get hurt and which ones won’t.

In other words, the A’s will ALWAYS be in this situation is they’re always a small market ball club.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 6, 2008 8:42 AM PDT   0 recs

This is a really interesting point

And it’s indirectly showing why Billy Beane was so smart in acquiring 516 pitching prospects. We know that some, and probably most, of those guys aren’t going to make it because of injury (if not poor performance). That’s how baseball works. So you get enough guys, and when a handful of them flame out, you still have a few more who are, ideally, healthy and able to help your big league team.

by thejd44 on Aug 6, 2008 11:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Most free agents do not have a track record of durability...

they have a track record of NONdurability. The small number of players who are extremely durable are disproportionately kept off the free agent market by their clubs (see, eg, Haren signing an extension with Arizona the other day).

There are not close to enough “iron man” free agents out there for a team to construct itself with them, and typically free agents are positively correlated with DL stints (that is, teams that sign FAs suffer more injuries).

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 6, 2008 11:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2008 8:56 AM PDT   0 recs

Okay, at least I got 1 laugh out of this thread

Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.

by Joey C. on Aug 6, 2008 9:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOLS

AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
********OaKlAnDaThLeTiCs********

by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Aug 6, 2008 9:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Can I go on the DL too! Hey everyone is doing it! Plus, I've been having some

elbow discomfort. And it’s getting worse. What do you guys think it is?

AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
********OaKlAnDaThLeTiCs********

by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Aug 6, 2008 9:27 AM PDT   0 recs

Larry Davis here

That stinging pain sensation in your elbow is nothing to worry about. It’s perfectly normal. A good way to fix it is to increase your pitch count from 100 to 150 for your next 5 starts. That should do the trick. If that doesn’t work, me and the boys will down a 24 pack of PBR and then take turns punching you in the arm.

ps: I have a sweet mullet!

Cust is the new Jaha.

by johnjahafanclub on Aug 6, 2008 9:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Is it perfectly normal for me to have a throbing pain! And it sounds weird when I

And it sounds weird when I move it. Ahh it hurts! I think it might be an inner-ear infection or maybe I’m having a stroke!

AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
********OaKlAnDaThLeTiCs********

by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Aug 6, 2008 9:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I also repeat phrases!

AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
********OaKlAnDaThLeTiCs********

by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Aug 6, 2008 9:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Gallageher may just be getting into the start of a dead arm phase at this point.

I know that the IP is not at his highest point yet but what if the number of pitches, changing teams, some small tweaks in his mechanics by Young and the stress of watching Street’s epic fail after epic fail could be getting him down. Now I am not saying that he is not injured but those things could be part of it.

by A'sfaninNC on Aug 6, 2008 10:27 AM PDT   0 recs

This just in

Sean Gallagher is expected to go on the disabled list with a sore shoulder.
That explains the wildness Monday. A source told the San Francisco Chronicle that Gallagher felt a “pop” in the shoulder in his July 25 start against Texas.

by A'sfaninNC on Aug 6, 2008 10:39 AM PDT   0 recs

When I feel a "pop" in my shoulder, I usually treat it

by going out five days later and trying to throw 95 MPH.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 6, 2008 10:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

My thoughts when I read that something happened on the 25th was “then why the hell was he out there starting a game a few days later?”

by rageon on Aug 6, 2008 10:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hey it worked so well for dan meyer

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2008 11:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

these are more data points in favor of ...

1. Players are motivated by self-interest (though most players are dolts and can’t perform a simple risk:benefit analysis)
2. Players always try hard, often to the detriment of the team and themselves

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 6, 2008 11:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

As little faith as I have in this team's medical staff

I’m going to guess Gallagher didn’t say anything before his last start. That’s just how players are.

by thejd44 on Aug 6, 2008 11:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Gallagher Hurt, Harden Not

With Gallagher on the DL and Murton and Patterson already exiled to AAA (after all, it’s tough to break into this Oakland line up …), and with Harden pitching great to boot, you’d almost be inclined to think that the people who thought this was a good trade and would help the club RIGHT NOW are wrong by any and all conceivable standards.

Added torture value: if Chad Gaudin were still an A, do you think Geren might have had Ziegler close last night instead of using him to set the 9th up for Street?

by solotar on Aug 6, 2008 11:44 AM PDT   0 recs

Trying to win now will only hurt this team in the long run.

Why dont people understand this? Its really not a hard concept to comprehend.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Aug 6, 2008 11:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Ryan Sweeney: I probably irrationally embraced him before you did.

by Joey C. on Aug 6, 2008 11:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It isn't the only possible argument, either

so you don’t need to be condescending about it.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Aug 6, 2008 12:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

however

it is the most logical argument

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Aug 6, 2008 1:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And on a side note:

Harden is gone.. never coming back! Get over it people!

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Aug 6, 2008 11:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He hasn't gotten over the A's dealing Bradley

What makes you think he’ll get over Harden?

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 6, 2008 11:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Who knows.

But I can sleep at night easier now knowing I tried.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Aug 6, 2008 11:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hard to get over

your GM trading your most talented player to soothe his own ego.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Aug 6, 2008 12:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

it’s because our GM has a big ego, that’s why bradley was so loved in montreal, cleveland, LA, san diego…

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 6, 2008 12:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He got a lot more rope in all of those places

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Aug 6, 2008 12:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that's just not true at all

we gave him plenty of “rope”. what happens if bradley gets hurt this year? OH WAIT, he did. and he’s still never hit more than 19 homers or 67 rbis in a season. who cares about milton bradley…can we please let it go?

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Aug 6, 2008 1:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Milton had one incident here

and got shipped off. That’s not “plenty of rope.” Further, the descriptions of the incident suggested that both participants behaved badly.

I was livid when he was traded, so I’ll never be a fan of the decision. It’s truly unfortunately, because his reputation made his talent extraordinarily cheap.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Aug 6, 2008 2:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think he was talking about Injury "Rope"

He was hurt all the time too.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Aug 6, 2008 3:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The injuries were concerning, to be sure

but it was the big fight between Beane and Bradley that got him shipped to San Diego practically the same day.

My feeling at the time, and to this day, was that they should have “hugged it out” and let Bradley play. I know Billy wanted to play Buck instead, but all he had to do was bench Kotsay to do it. Kotsay was the least talented outfielder on the roster by a country mile, and he still got to play.

It could have very well turned out that Bradley continued to frustrate for the rest of the year, prompting us to give up on him and still watch him have a MVP caliber season for Texas. I