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Which came first: The A's going down like a sinking ship, or the A's bailing on the season

I am dismayed at the once stellar season sinking like a ship taking on water.  My question is what came first:  Did the A's go into the tank because of the trades of Harden, Gaudin, and Blanton, or did Billy Beane/Frost  believe that the first half of the season was an unsustainable fluke, and the season was going down the drain with or without Harden, Gaudin and Blanton?

The Blanton deal appears to be a good one, but I still can not get over the Harden/Gaudin trade.  Four mediocre appearing prospects for two major league pitchers, including one stud in Harden.  WTF?  Another way of saying the same thing....did the A's go into the tank because they were undercut by the Front Office by the Harden trade, or were they going down anyway?

Living in Seattle I am used to observing  bonehead- brain dead moves by the Mariners, but looking at a bonehead(?) move by the A's....a whole new experience. 

Talk me off the ledge....please!

 

 

 

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The problem wasn't Harden/Blanton/Gaudin

The problem is the offense. Sure, we might have won a handful more games with Harden instead of Gallagher, but Blanton wasn’t winning us anything of late and Gaudin never played.

It’s probably good Billy traded them when he did before the season went in the toilet and we got little in return for our trading chips.

by Crosbino on Aug 4, 2008 6:03 PM PDT   0 recs

Harden is a very special player so I would never have traded him

However, a team can survive trading 2 starters and a good player like Gaudin and survive. Unfortunately for the team in 2008 – those trades didn’t bring in anyone who could help the team win in 2008.

by Yellowhorse on Aug 4, 2008 7:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the harden the cubs have gotten so far

is a special player. the one we’ve had for the rest of his career was not, because he never pitched

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Aug 4, 2008 8:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They weren't winning the West

anyway. The front office also probably took into account the A’s home/road split at the all star break.

I do think that the Harden trade sucked the life out of the team. It also depleted them of a pitcher who could singlehandly stop losing streaks (this one is becoming epic…16 of 18).

by DKNJ on Aug 4, 2008 6:08 PM PDT   0 recs

I think the problem all along was the offense.

We all saw it, we all complained about it.

When you have an offense that can’t be counted on to overcome a 2 run lead, when you have a fanbase who feels the game is hopeless after the opposing team makes it 1-0, when the starting pitcher can not give up a single run or the team will lose-there is something very wrong.

Until the offense becomes capable of scoring more than a couple runs a game and refrains from making Carlos Silva the next Cy Young, the team won’t go anywhere.

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by Zonis on Aug 4, 2008 6:27 PM PDT   0 recs

Especially when several of our "best" hitters were hurt

Little talent = no depth.
Little talent + injuries = AAAA offense
Little talent + injuries + more injuries = AAA offense

Which is where we were for awhile there. Now we’re going through Frank’s rust and hoping Barton got his struggles exorcised by the floor of a swimming pool. Any gains in the offense will likely be offset by regression amongst the pitchers (especially as Eveland hit the wall and Smith likely will too).

All this is to say that (as we already knew) 2008 is not our year. I still think 2009 could see us in the playoffs and beyond that we’re in great shape.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 4, 2008 7:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Also time for someone to light a fire under this team

We know they are not talented but to lose 16 or 18 also shows they don’t give a flying fuck.

The worst thing that happened is Crosby hitting a home run. Had Barton, or CarGon or Kurt hit it fine but Crosby just earned himself more playing time. For the well being and future of the team it is important that players get weeded out and he is one that needs to be gone.

It has already been said but bring more youngsters up and let them learn on the job. I guess they will in September so we may have to wait.

But losing 16 of 18 is simply pathetic and the whole team should be embarrassed.

I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production

by Trainman on Aug 4, 2008 6:31 PM PDT   0 recs

I'm sure the team IS embarrassed,

and I don’t think losing 16 of 18 shows that a team doesn’t care. It shows they either stink or have no confidence, or both.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 4, 2008 9:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you ready for some football?

Well, this losing streak marks the end of any chance at the playoffs. While I understand that Bob Geren is firing a gun filled with blanks I think losing 16 of 18 is unacceptable. I wonder if Geren can rally the troops?

This leads me to ask this question, was firing Ken Macha a mistake? I know he clashed with Beane and some of the players didn’t like him but he won. I think that his clashing with Beane could be a good thing. I sometimes worry that Beane is surrounded by yes men and as far as Bobby Crosby not liking him, well I count that as a plus.

I could very well be dead wrong in public here but watching this club this year I’m struck how lifeless it is and how there is no passion or aggression which I think is needed to win.

A couple more weeks like this and I guess I’ll turn my attention to the Raiders and wait for them to break my heart like usual.

by briandouglas on Aug 4, 2008 7:39 PM PDT   0 recs

Or you could watch the Olympics instead

If you haven’t seen him yourself, believe me when I tell you that Michael Phelps is 902758165 times more fun to watch than this A’s team right now.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 4, 2008 8:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think there's a joke in there somewhere

But I refuse to be the one to make it

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 4, 2008 8:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

macha

wouldn’t win with this team either, so don’t worry about that. managers don’t really do that much in the grand scheme of things. i can’t remember the ted williams quote about managers being useless, but it would fit here

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Aug 4, 2008 8:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Fact is, the team was due for a regression

The pitching was not going to remain as strong as it was. A lot of the pitchers had peripherals that suggested ERAs a full run or more worse going forward. I expected the offense to rebound a little bit, and I’ve been seriously disappointed by its performance of late, but I did not expect that rebound to do more than slightly mitigate the negative effects of the pitching regression.

Beane was right to “complete the rebuild,” because this team simply was not capable of making up a 6-game deficit in the standings over less than half a season.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 4, 2008 8:09 PM PDT   0 recs

but...but...

WE HAD RICH HARDIN!!!1111

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Aug 4, 2008 8:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

such a troll by the way

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Aug 4, 2008 8:55 PM PDT   0 recs

I'd say the ship had poorly made rivets ...

and was headed for an iceberg … and that hitting that iceberg happened to coincide with the trades …

The offense sucked to begin with was getting worse in late june and has truly tanked over the last few weeks … the team was over performing for the first few months and was unlikely to keep it up …

So the soon to be sinking ship led to the trades …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Aug 5, 2008 1:25 AM PDT   0 recs

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 5, 2008 3:40 AM PDT   0 recs

schedule

3 at bos 2 vs a better tex 3 at tb 3 at ny 3 vs angels

owner of a lonely tarp

by oakath on Aug 5, 2008 9:30 AM PDT   0 recs

I'd Say Both ...

As bad as the A’s were at the plate, both this year and last, in both seasons the team really hit with a thud only when Billy traded away at a key player right at the deadline. Last year it was Milton Bradley (boy, I’m sure glad that guy isn’t mucking up the middle of the A’s lineup …) and this year Harden. The dispiriting thing is the sense that BIlly’s motives for moving these guys remains somewhat of a mystery. For Milton the A’s essentially got nothing, and for Gaudin they got Gallagher … with Harden thrown in, even though it seems quite likely that the A’s could have gotten much, much more had they simply asked Harden to go out and give them a few good starts so they could move him to a first place club.

It’s true that doesn’t explain the horrible-ness of the offense. But if when you show up for work tomorrow the boss says, “you know, you suck, I’m quitting on you and terminating the project that you’d been running that, against all odds, had been going pretty well. However, I want you to stick around long enough to train your replacements…” After that doozy of a motivational speech, what kind of productivity do you think you’d provide the rest of the week?

by solotar on Aug 5, 2008 7:57 PM PDT   0 recs

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