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I have followed the A's for 36 of my 42 years on this earth. Growing up in Southern California, my buddies all bled Dodger blue but I gravitated toward the A's because whenever I opened up the sports pages, there were these colorful characters and tales of their on-field and off-field exploits. Also, I loved their colors. I remember going to an Angel's game against the A's and using all the money I had to buy a plastic A's batting helmet at the game. I wore that thing for years. In Little League, I can recall the angst I felt when they posted the new teams for the year and I did not get on an A's team.
Having followed a franchise for this many years, I have seen my share of triumphs and tragedies, winning and losing, players come and go. I moved to Sacramento just after the earthquake series and a few miles from the stadium just a few months ago, which affords me an opportunity to go to more games. I can get to the game in under 15 minutes from house to seat.
Yeah, it's hard to endure losing, and this season is particularly hard because of the great and unexpected start. I predicted that we would be better than average at the onset and always tend to paint with broad strokes of optimism. And yes, it is more difficult to maintain that optimism in the face of the current travails.
But whether we are winning or losing I just love baseball. It is in my blood. It is and has been as a much a part of my life as anything. I don't have much of a close family or many of my childhood possessions, but I do have my love of baseball. Win or lose, it is pure.
Another thing I really enjoy is AN. Having discovered it a few years ago, it has become this wonderful place to immerse myself in a community of fans who share the same level of fanatical enthusiasm for our team. I start most days here as I figure if some stubbed their toe in Kane County one of our number will have written a fanpost about it.
However, as much as I love coming here, it always bothers me when people are really mean towards others here. I don't mean the sarcastic biting barbs from PT or Nico, but I mean the real demoralizing, personal swipes because someone does not share the same opinion on whether Jack Cust is good or bad. I guess I was just a bit dismayed when reading some of the threads this morning. Hey guys, it's just baseball. In the immortal words of Rodney King..."Can't we all just get along?"
It's going to be a long rest of the season I fear, with not a lot to celebrate. But I predict someday, somewhere, we will be good again. Until then, let's have some fun, and try to be a bit more civil in our dealings with each other.
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Yay! I'm the first!
But I really don’t have anything to say except that I agree.
by #14fan on Aug 4, 2008 10:41 AM PDT 0 recs
I dunno about anyone else, but I think this September
will be just as exciting as one in which the A’s are contending for a playoff spot. Can’t wait to see Gio and Cunningham get some MLB experience.
"Do you know that the guy really doesn't like baseball all that much?" - J.P. Riccardi
by black beane on Aug 4, 2008 10:53 AM PDT 0 recs
You call that a rant?
When I see Rant as the title for a diary (yes, I still call it a motherfucking diary) I want to see invective, bile and curses spewed all over the page. How about this: fuck Ty Van Burkleo – who the hell is he anyway and how the hell did he get to be a hitting coach? Fosse can give him all the man love he wants (doin’ a heckuva job, Burkie) but that doesn’t make it so. If he’s so great then I guess the strikeouts would pile up like shit in an unserviced port-o-pottie at Burning Man if he wasn’t our coach. FIRE VAN BURKLEO NOW!!!
There, that feels better now.
by sslinger on
Aug 4, 2008 11:08 AM PDT
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that looks like
something out of lookout landing
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on
Aug 4, 2008 11:14 AM PDT
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hey
it certainly is more interesting than “JACK CUST STRICKSOUT!!!111 TRADE HIM FOR MATT HOLIDAY (sic)!!!1”
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on
Aug 4, 2008 12:07 PM PDT
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Haha!!!! I love it sslinger!!!!!
Dude, we’ll have to meet up at a game again soon.
As soon as the A’s fire Macha….....again!
later-mrod
by mrod on
Aug 4, 2008 6:48 PM PDT
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well
i don’t apologize for being sick of people’s complaining, but i kinda was mean to kmoasfan.
that said, i’m tired of the anti-cust posts. it makes me want to stop posting, to be honest. people act like we have 8 good hitters and he’s the weak link. power hitters are taught to hit fastballs hard, and if a changeup is thrown, to swing over it. it does no use for jack cust (or anyone, really) to slow his bat down and top a ground ball to second for a double play like the rest of our team. swing, miss, and find a fastball to hit.
i don’t see why that concept is lost on so many people. strikeouts and other outs have minimal difference in value. i understand the “put the ball in play and make the defense field it”...if we’re talking about high school ball.
i’m kinda over this post, but oh well. sorry to those i offended, if it’s not limited to kmo. and remember, this was never going to be a year we were in contention. did anyone really think rich harden would make this many starts in a row, or justin duchscherer would be this good, etc. etc. etc.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on Aug 4, 2008 10:59 AM PDT 0 recs
I think people get mad and blame Cust and Crosby for everything
because they have been better in the past. Once you reach a certain level of expectations is hard for people to accept lower ones. I blame Barton, Ellis, Hanahan, Brown, Chavez, Buck, Bankston, and Conrad just as much as Cust and Crosby.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on
Aug 4, 2008 6:54 PM PDT
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Remind me when Crosby's been better for more than a month at a time?
His defense, I guess. At least that used to be average.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Aug 4, 2008 7:08 PM PDT
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I think it's less that he was once good
and more that he was once perceived as being good, or at least perceived as being promising.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
Aug 4, 2008 8:19 PM PDT
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The expectations for replacing Tejada were high
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
by UncleLeo on
Aug 4, 2008 8:53 PM PDT
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exactly, "perceived" and "expectations"
but I do remember Crosby coming back from an injury one year and carrying the team for a while (or at least when he came back the team got hot and people/writers linked it to Crosby). Of course that was a long time ago. He had a decent first half this year before getting hurt again. Wasn’t he in the top 3 in doubles?
anyways, my point is that it’s hasn’t just been Crosby and Cust dragging the offense down all year.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
;- ) :- ) :-O : -> : -] : -}
by micdog2001 on
Aug 5, 2008 12:59 AM PDT
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Seems to me there are three elements:
1—attack on comment rather than commenter, and
2—emphasis on evidence over conclusion in (1), and
3—general civility in (1) and (2).
Oh yeah, add 4—kindness to defenseless ruminants, even if they were asking for it.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Aug 4, 2008 1:06 PM PDT 0 recs
5 - Use "ignore" instead of expressing disgust
Express the disgust to your cat instead of to the community.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Aug 4, 2008 1:14 PM PDT
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You know.
Just because my opinion differs and I don’t like a certain guy on the team doesn’t me I’m a “douche.” It’s a little annoying you can’t offer a negative opinion on anyone in this organization around here besides Emil Brown without getting chastised. There was a thread a few weeks ago where a new guy posted a FanPost about being frustrated with the team. The guy got absolutely destroyed. One of the older posters around here said something along the lines of this place is starting to have a real “clubby” atmosphere. It’s like there are a select few around here, who for some reason think they are smarter than everyone else. As they go around denouncing others’ opinions they preach their own as fact. It’s entirely contradictory and hypocritical.
I think Nico said it in the other thread, how good Cust is, is open to interpretation. I don’t know if that was sarcasm or not, but thats all I was referring to when I said no one’s mind was going to change on the issue. I think of lot of the “smart” people around this site spend more time looking at fan graphs or looking at newly contrived stats than they do watching games. When I watch Cust day in and day out I see a guy who doesn’t take the bat off his shoulder if a breaking pitch is thrown. If a pitcher can throw their slider or curve for a strike they will strike out Cust almost every at bat. Every once in a while (about 20 times so far) Cust gets lucky and his uppercut makes contact with a fastball right down the center of the plate and he hits a HR. Which if anyone has made it out to see the A’s in person, would easily understand, as Cust looks more out of the WWE than a MLB dugout.
I don’t want to start another Cust debate in this thread, but I never really justified any of my comments before, but Cust has 76 hits to 139 strike outs this season. I haven’t had a chance to confirm this, but it’s probably the worst ratio in the league. The walks he gets are nice and all, but they don’t do a lot to help this offense. I think his wasted outs are often understated. If he comes up with 0 out and runners on base, way more often than not, that runner is not going to be given a chance to advance. When you don’t have a lot of power throughout the lineup moving the runners is key. Just look at the Angels. Maybe some of this has to do with how the entire A’s offense is so bad Cust is placed in the top of the order, but regardless, the guy struggles to make contact:
Series,Opponent, hits, so
3/25 Red Sox: 1/10 6SO
4/8 Jays: 0/12 5SO
4/11 Indians: 1/5 4SO
5/5 Orioles: 2/9 4SO
5/13 Indians: 1/12 4SO
5/19 Rays: 1/8 2SO
5/23 Red Sox: 2/9 6SO
5/30 Rangers: 1/12 6SO
I could do this all day, but I’ll end with: 7/18 Yankees: 1/9 8SO
As I said I don’t want to spark a Cust debate, but I really just want to justify my beliefs for why I feel he is terrible. I don’t really think my views on Cust are that outrageous that it makes me a douche or my opinion idiotic, but then again, I’m probably biased in that regard.
Oh, and one more thing. This goes out to that select few whose opinion is fact. It seems to me, and maybe it’s because there was a book written about our favorite franchise, who think A’s fans are generally way way smarter than the rest of the baseball population (people even get called out on their interpretations of said book. A book that carries many themes, not just buy low, sell high). From the majority of talk on AN this is probably true to an extent. I’m not sure anywhere else a GM is going to do interviews or there are enlightened neat articles by Grover, Sal, or Devo. Thats not what I’m referring to though. It’s the over the top analyzation of trades, players we pick up, and justifications for certain things. Someone will drop OPS or ERA + in some conversation like they are the be all end all stats in baseball. If someone even barely mentions a “simple” stat like BA or RBI they are treated like they aren’t intelligent enough to carry on a conversation. It’s borderline ridiculous. The A’s have yet to make it to a World Series in over a decade. Beane is not a god, and everything he touches isn’t gold. Heck, the guy listens to five hours of soccer podcasts a day. I’m not even sure if his heart is in baseball anymore. Plenty of other GM’s have led their teams farther than the A’s with the same amount of resources. The A’s aren’t that unique. If you think five playoff appearances accompanied by four “unlucky” early exits is a sign of brilliant franchise management, talk to a Braves fan.
I visit AN far more than any other site on the net, but I’m getting more and more reluctant to post anything besides blind optimism for fear the only response will be verbal attacks. It’s just not that fun, there is absolutely no way to have a good light hearted debate about something without someone who takes things way to seriously jumping in and dishing out insults. I’ve been an A’s fan since the day I was born, and grew up going to games with my grandfather who was a former fairly high ranking employee of the organization with season tickets. I live on the other side of the country now, but I still make it a point to get to a few games a year. I’m a college student entering my senior year at a decent school, who hopes to make a decent enough living so I can one day have my own season tickets. I will be an A’s fan forever, even if it takes me to Vegas, Fremont, Charlotte, Portland, or Birmingham. I like to think that I’m pretty far from being a short sided numb skull with no clue.
What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.
by KMoAsFan on
Aug 4, 2008 2:25 PM PDT
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I think half your post is right on, KMoAsFan
You lose with me the notion that “anything besides blind optimism is met with verbal attacks,” because I think that’s just patently false, but the way people who discuss batting averages, gut impressions, and uninformed ideas are treated sometimes embarrasses me for the site. There’s nothing wrong with any of those things if you’re a true A’s fan – and no, I don’t have a shred of data to back that up.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Aug 4, 2008 2:41 PM PDT
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Not sure if my wording is wrong or not.
I’m not saying “anything besides blind optimism is met with verbal attacks,” but more that the only way I can be sure of saying anything that won’t result in a berating of my opinion with random stats or insults is being overly optimistic. Thats why before that I said I’m getting “more and more reluctant to post.” I’m not disagreeing with your or anything I just know some things get lost in translation when going from my head to the web page. Also, after somehow typing all that I left an error in the first line, it should be “doesn’t mean*.”
What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.
by KMoAsFan on
Aug 4, 2008 3:00 PM PDT
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people who discuss uninformed ideas deserve whatever they get
Greed and fear cause over-reactions in both directions. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Aug 4, 2008 4:53 PM PDT
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That's where I disagree
I think that’s a very arrogant POV.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Aug 4, 2008 4:56 PM PDT
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OK
Charlie X. Finley was the original owner of the Philadelphia A’s. He had a pet cockatoo named Charlie X whom he trained to make black nationalist speeches. His daughter was noted vegetable enthusiast Karen Finley, who briefly GM’ed the team (and named Laurie Anderson on-field manager) in the ‘70s. That started the downhill trend of the team we see carried out today.
If something is wrong, it’s wrong.
Greed and fear cause over-reactions in both directions. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Aug 4, 2008 5:30 PM PDT
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Thats the same sarcastic..
crap people are getting tired and put off by. The worst part about it is that it’s coming from a site manager.
What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.
by KMoAsFan on
Aug 4, 2008 5:36 PM PDT
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I couldn't care less if people are put off by sarcasm or by the merciless roasting of uninformed opinions
You do actually know what “uninformed” means, right?
Greed and fear cause over-reactions in both directions. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Aug 4, 2008 5:45 PM PDT
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There's a difference between
“misstating facts” and “uninformed ideas”. The key word here is “idea”.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Aug 4, 2008 5:52 PM PDT
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if an "idea" is uninformed, then it's functionally indistinct from a misstated fact
Greed and fear cause over-reactions in both directions. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Aug 4, 2008 6:08 PM PDT
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Most "discussions" about Cust degenerate into gibbering inanity
because someone on the anti-Cust side misstates facts. It would tax my link-amassing prowess (and patience) to put together a listing of all the calumnies, slanders and just flat-out lies that have been hurled his way over the course of this season.
Inevitably, when it is pointed out that these lies are, in fact, lies, the poster takes refuge behind the veil of sarcasm—apparently sarcasm is ok sometimes, just not when it’s eviscerating them.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
Aug 4, 2008 6:56 PM PDT
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Roasting
It seems like “merciless roasting of opinions” merges too often into a personal barbs that are pretty juvenile and clutter the site with lots of personal back-and-forth that is entirely undesirable for the site, as I see it. It’s almost like a talk radio smackdown series at times, and it lowers the quality of the conversation that makes AN so attractive.
The sarcasm, by the way, seems to be of an almost entirely personal nature (most of us know what “uninformed” means, for example.)
Monkeyball, you’re a talented writer and thinker, and I don’t doubt that we’ll see things differently on decorum, but I think you can do better than this.
Peace, Diego Segui
by DiegoSegui on
Aug 4, 2008 6:12 PM PDT
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Well maybe you should.
That attitude is the same one airlines took towards customer service in the late 90’s and see where that took them.
What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.
by KMoAsFan on
Aug 4, 2008 6:20 PM PDT
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No, that's "opinions," not "peanuts"
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
Aug 4, 2008 6:22 PM PDT
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Do I detect an addition to the elder-hot pantheon?
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on
Aug 4, 2008 6:31 PM PDT
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no, and no
{ shudder }
Greed and fear cause over-reactions in both directions. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Aug 5, 2008 10:42 AM PDT
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How about people who consistently, vehemently advance nonsensical, spurious, borderline racist provocations, then protest – hands in the air, aghast – that they’ve been mistreated, victimized, slandered, and made unwelcome by all the arrogant smarty pants who dared contradict them?
Do they deserve whatever they get?
by 74mk on
Aug 4, 2008 5:43 PM PDT
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that's an informed idea, and therefore unwelcome here
Greed and fear cause over-reactions in both directions. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Aug 4, 2008 5:47 PM PDT
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Riiiight.
Emil Brown comment. He was over performing in the beginning of the season. As Brown came back to reality no one else on the team picked up the slack. Therefore we stopped scoring runs. People’s hate towards Emil completely ignores this and they refuse to believe he has any correlation to this team winning games.
Spurious comment. Does the team struggle with bringing in fans, or creating fans? Is the attendance not in fact piss poor? Heck at Auburn half the people I know can’t even tell me where the Athletics play.
Borderline racist. Maybe in that thread. I didn’t mean to come off that way. I’m just so worn out by the politically coreect stuff that is going on. The same PC quest looking to find an endangered cricket on the Cisco Field site that is holding up construction. Imus made a comment that wasn’t really that far out of line when you look at the ratio of african american players arrested compared to the rest of the league. Am I racist, heck no, I’m of mixed decent myself. If I went and pointed out the proportionate of Emil bashing compared anyone else on the team, or Milton Bradley for that matter, I think you’d find a lost better justification for racism than what I’ve said.
What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.
by KMoAsFan on
Aug 4, 2008 6:17 PM PDT
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Stop being mean!
Why do you always have to be so dismissive of everything I say? This is the kind of thing, in my honest opinion, that is sending AN down the tubes. Just my opinion, but I think it’s sad.
I’m just expressing my personal views, which, like, belong to me personally, and are just as worthwhile as anything you have to say, no matter how much smarter than me you think you are. I mean, gosh! I say ONE THING that’s not like blindly in agreement with you and you TOTALLY BASH ME for no good reason. Who’s to say you’re right and I’m wrong? Am I not allowed to have an opinion, just because you have a big fat IQ and study Baseball Prospectus in your basement all day? I come here for a good time, to talk some baseball, and this kind of thing, by all these so-called experts like you who think they know everything … well, it just makes me want to take my Internet and go home.
by 74mk on
Aug 4, 2008 7:02 PM PDT
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What?
I guess you were trying to be funny and clever, but it’s not working. My response wasn’t mean or dismissive. I didn’t call you a moron or directly criticize your opinion. I just calmly expressed a different opinion and typed out my rebuttal. I thought that was the way things were supposed to work.
What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.
by KMoAsFan on
Aug 4, 2008 7:15 PM PDT
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So now you're criticizing my sense of humor?
Wow, that is an out of the blue, straight to the gut low blow. I can’t believe you stooped to that.
AN is such a hostile place.
I don’t understand why you have to spend so much time “calmly expressing” your opinion that you’re smarter than me. My opinions are my opinions, and that is my opinion. Calm is condescension, in my book. Maybe you’re smart, but I’m strident and self-righteous, so I totally win that battle.
I think Jack Cust is the best hitter in all of baseball. He is leading the league in walks and OBP is the most important statistic and walks are part of that so there. Take that. I don’t care what you think.
by 74mk on
Aug 4, 2008 7:35 PM PDT
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Fair enough.
Those are your opinions. I haven’t and will not denounce them. Your sense of humor and ideas of low blows and condescension may be slightly different than what I’m used to, but I’m not going to criticize you for it. They are your opinions, everyone has them, it’s what makes the world go around. I will never meet you in person, and don’t have to hang out in in your company, you’re just some dude on the internet who wants to enjoy the site. It’s all good until it starts driving other fans away, but thats not really my job to monitor.
What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.
by KMoAsFan on
Aug 4, 2008 7:47 PM PDT
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hahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahaa
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on
Aug 4, 2008 8:47 PM PDT
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and Rashad is the stridex one
Greed and fear cause over-reactions in both directions. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Aug 5, 2008 10:43 AM PDT
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I can only hope that you're trying to bait me into making a political comment there
Greed and fear cause over-reactions in both directions. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Aug 4, 2008 5:48 PM PDT
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He just doesn't like your PBS documentary film
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
Aug 4, 2008 6:42 PM PDT
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What is your example of an uniformed idea?
Because someone is unhappy about a team and they list reasons for it that aren’t based purely on statistics doesn’t mean they deserved to be run off the site by so called “know it alls.” Heck, even if someone uses statistics, but they aren’t the same newly contrived ones you have access to, or use, doesn’t mean they are uniformed. Baseball is a game played by humans, not machines, much of it is open to interpretation. It doesn’t have to revolve around pure statistically based data.
What about Barry?
"Barry who?" Forst said, and I felt like I was in the middle of a knock-knock joke.
by KMoAsFan on
Aug 4, 2008 5:20 PM PDT
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If someone asserts something that's flat-out wrong, it deserves to be refuted
Where, precisely did I say anything about statistics? And where did I assert that players are automata?
And the collective of AN is bound to know more than any single poster.
Greed and fear cause over-reactions in both directions. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Aug 4, 2008 5:32 PM PDT
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even if
the statistics and data that “know it alls” use to determine whether players are good are the exact same statistics and data that GM’s and scouts and everyone tied into a major league team also use?
it’s cool to not be happy that the a’s aren’t winning. people (not just you) act like the “know it alls” are happy the a’s are losing. fuck no, that is not the case at all. if it was, why would they post on an a’s site as an a’s fan? the “know it alls” are just realistic.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on
Aug 4, 2008 8:54 PM PDT
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To some extent. I believe stats can be very useful
but I also believe they can stop you from seeing exceptions or being flexible in your thinking. It just depends on whether you see them as useful or infallible. Numbers don’t lie but they also don’t always tell you what you think they’re telling you.
I think there are plenty of fans on this site who are not “stat based” in their thinking who are not only realistic but also excellent at predicting and assessing with accuracy – as well as plenty of fans on this site who are “stat based” in their thinking who are realistic and excellent at predicting and assessing with accuracy.
It’s when someone appears to “know it all” that I disregard their analysis. This is baseball – you don’t know it all.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Aug 4, 2008 9:31 PM PDT
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as a current ballplayer myself
i know that stats can say whatever you want. i could probably tell countless anecdotes about teammates’ stats that got them places that they probably shouldn’t have gotten to.
i mean, being “stat based” isn’t a qualifier for being realistic. the threads about how “cust strikes out too much” and “we sold all our good players” are true in their titles, but a little extra analysis could help tell a better story.
side note…what city do you teach in? i’m about to be a teacher myself in about two years’ time, unless i develop some more power (actively trying to this summer) and regain some of my lost speed from injuries. in that case, i’ll go play independent league somewhere. 5’8 guys who don’t play infield usually aren’t a hot commodity in the draft, if the past can predict the future.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on
Aug 4, 2008 9:49 PM PDT
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You're still taller than salb918
I teach/counsel in Berkeley.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Aug 4, 2008 10:06 PM PDT
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it's cool
i list myself at 5’9…big difference ;)
that’s cool, i live in pleasanton and am trying to teach there. i’m in the kpe teaching program at csueb.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on
Aug 4, 2008 10:13 PM PDT
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Good luck on both counts!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Aug 4, 2008 10:15 PM PDT
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thank you much nico
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
by flipgatey3 on
Aug 4, 2008 10:19 PM PDT
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I have to agree with you.
The level of personal insult is rising at an alarming rate. Anyway, great post.
"You may glory in a team triumphant, but you fall in love with a team in defeat."--The Boys of Summer
by alox on
Aug 4, 2008 2:58 PM PDT
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You make a lot of excellent points
I appreciate that you posted your thoughts on here.
by Reg on
Aug 4, 2008 3:08 PM PDT
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Several good points!
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
by UncleLeo on
Aug 4, 2008 5:04 PM PDT
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That's uninformed! Screw you!
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Aug 4, 2008 5:53 PM PDT
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Thats the same sarcastic..
crap people are getting tired and put off by. The worst part about it is that it’s coming from a site manager.
Greed and fear cause over-reactions in both directions. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Aug 4, 2008 6:09 PM PDT
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You wound me, sir!
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
by UncleLeo on
Aug 4, 2008 6:46 PM PDT
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In light of the discussion here, OP should change the title to "rants"
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Aug 4, 2008 6:25 PM PDT 0 recs
Haha +1
It is my belief that [insert incorrect statement] therefore [insert 1000 words]. In conclusion, you are all idiots.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on
Aug 4, 2008 6:31 PM PDT
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QOTM
Early contender, eternal truths division.
They want to steal the land papers which is why they have tried to break in. But they had to give up after being bitten by Chhotu.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on
Aug 4, 2008 7:05 PM PDT
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I agree about the "poster" bashing lately
Seems to me that there has been quite a bit of the “what are you, retarded??/ are you stupid?/ what kind of moron planet did you escape from?” type of b.s. that really is a drag to read over and over.
Now whether or not someone is “not being understood because this is the internet” is debatable. I just know that most people that visit this site frequently are pretty smart fans and know their A’s baseball. I also know that everyone that visits this site are also basically human beings with feelings that we can all relate to.
Basically, this a baseball blog. We all love A’s baseball. We all want the team to do well. We all get pissed when the team sucks and we all cheer like little kids when good things happen with the team. It’s the nature of the game my comrades’......and when people start taking it too far with personal attacks and junior high type name calling/slander/insults it’s fucks it up for everyone.
Believe me, I’m about as diehard as the next mofo here and I have moments when I have to check myself because I start to let A’s baseball dictate my moods! “Fucking A! It’s only baseball!”, I say to myself. We have two more months le


