Monday Slightly-Before Midninght Minors Musings: A sliver of hope edition.
As we all continue to endure the train wreck that is the 2008 Oakland Athletics, I thought it would be best to start of this minor league report with some very good news:
- Texas League ERA leader Vince Mazzaro has been promoted to Triple-A Sacramento, where he is expected to get his first start tomorrow against the Memphis Red Birds. Vince put up great numbers in his 137 innings at Midland, compiling a 12-3 record with a 1.90 ERA, a 104-36 K-BB mark, a near 1.5/1 ground-to-air ratio and a .229 opposing average against. Granted, I haven't seen Vince pitch, but I haven't been a huge fan of him in the past. His 6.82 K/9 rate is solid but unspectacular and the old "pitch-to-contact" routine that might work in the Texas League probably won't work nearly as well in Triple-A and maybe won't work at all in the majors. However, at 21 years old, Vince has plenty of time to develop his stuff further, and he seems to already grade high on the "knowing how to pitch" scale. He's not on the level of Cahill/Anderson/Gio, but as a super young righty with good pretty good control, an effective power sinker and a rubber-arm (120+ innings pitched in every minor league season) he's certainly a valuable prospect. Perhaps he can be packaged with another lower-level arm or Buck or something to acquire that left-side of the infield impact bat that the big-league team desperately needs.
Injury News/Notes
- Scout.com reported over the weekend that 2008 2nd round pick Tyson Ross has begun throwing off a mound while he rehabs from a strained shoulder that has sidelined him since June 28th. Tyson aims on taking the mound for a live Kane County game sometime in the final two weeks of the season.
- Top draft pick Jemile Weeks suffered a hip flexor injury while running out a ground-out in the 1st inning of Kane County's game @ Wrigley Field on July 30th. The injury reportedly "seemed really bad" at the time and Weeks has not played since that time, but Jemile has not been placed on the disabled list as of yet and info about the injury has been tough to come by. If anybody has an update on his condition, please post it below!
- Travis Buck's freak-injury-filled lost season continues as he has now been placed on Sacramento's disabled list with some kind of ear infection. Man, Bad Luck Buck!. At this point, the team should just send him back to the A's minor league complex in his familiar Arizona confines so that he can get his life and limbs back together for next season.
- Stockton outfielder (and Taj personal favorite) Matt Sulentic is likey done for the season after being hit by a pitch that broke some bones in his hand on July 27th. Losing some time this late into the season shouldn't hurt Sulentic's prospect stock too much, as it looked like he had gotten the best out of the California League batting .309/.368/.481 with 9 homers in just under 350 at-bats while playing solid defense and running the bases well. In all likelihood, he'll rehab over the winter and be given the chance to begin next season on-schedule in Midland.
- 2007 2nd Round Draft pick, and potential 5-tool outfielder Grant Desme recently appeared in two AZL Athletics games July 29th and 31st, but hasn't appeared since that time. Last update I got said that Desme was still rehabbing a myriad of injuries that have kept him off the field and at the A's minor league complex for most of the past calendar year. Getting him back on the field for the rest of this season would be a nice boost to the system, but if he can't even hack it for regular games in Rookie League, it's not looking too good...

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Sacramento RiverCats - 65-50, 1st Place, PCL South Division
Who's Hot: LHP Ryan Wing - 2-1, 1.60 ERA, 35 K's in 45 Innings Pitched
The RiverCats have never been in want of effective lefty relievers, but minor league free agent signee Ryan Wing has provided more-than-effective production for the Cats this season. While not striking out a ton of batters per se (7.0 K/9) Ryan's been very tough to hit - only 33 hits allowed in 45 IP while allowing only a .200 batting average against. He's been surprisingly more effective against right-handed batters than lefties and in more opportunities: 1.59 ERA against with 24 K's against righties vs. 1.62 ERA and 11 K's against lefties. Wing was once a top White Sox starting prospect, but injuries derailed his first minor league charge. He's not on the 40-man and Braden, Meyer and Blevins are all ahead of him on the Oakland lefty-relief depth chart, but you never know, he could have an impact if he stays with organization past this season.
Who's Not: INF Cliff Pennington - .270/.402/.360, 10 steals, 2 homers
It's hard to get down on Pennington after our expectations of him have sunk so low and he actually seems to be exceeding them at this point. However, while he's doing the things he's always done well - work more walks than strikeouts and steal the occasional bag - he's still not showing any improvement in the areas that he is sorely lacking - hitting for power or for any sort of consistent average. In his past 10 games he's only batting .206 with only 1 extra-base hit (a double) in 34 at-bats. His .762 OPS is nice, but buoyed up abnormally high by his 45 walks. In over 200 at-bats, you would think that Cliff, with his above-average speed, would have hit at least 10 doubles by this time in the year - and yet he hasn't. Cliff has the tools right now to be a decent utility infielder going forward, but if he EVER learned how to hit again he might turn into something a lot more useful.
Midland Rockhounds - 25-18, 2nd place Texas League South Division
The Rockhounds have been playing great baseball recently, now only 1 game behind Frisco in the South Division. The great news is that many of the organization's top prospects have been fueling that great play and showing us fans what me might be in store for in the coming years in Oakland. There were several good performances this week but none has been as surprising as Javier Herrera's.
Who's Hot: OF Javier Herrera - .281/.352/.397, 3 homers, 4 steals
If Javy is on his way out of the organization, he is surely going down swinging. The former toolsy top-prospect has hit .381 over his past 10 games with 3 doubles, a homer and 3 steals in that time. Six of those 10 games were multi-hit affairs for Javy. He's been DH-ing mostly for the Hounds, so there might still be some concern that he can't hold up physically while in the outfield, but you've gotta be encouraged by his recent play.
Who's Hot (cont.): INF Justin Sellers - .252/.332/.370, 5 homers, 8 steals
Since everyone's been playing well for the Hounds recently, it's probably better that I highlight another hot performance rather than try to pick out a downer candidate. Sellers has always been a defense-first type of player, so it's newsworthy now that he's showing some offensive performance. As of late, Sellers has been batting .344 with 4 triples, a double, a homer, and 8 RBI's. His season stats aren't impressive by any means, but they're trending in the right direction. Sellers has always graded high on makeup and "intangibles" and those who have observed him have noted that he brings a sort of infectious enthusiasm to the ballpark with him everyday. Those types of guys are easy to cheer for, and since Justin's still only 22 and is apparently well-regarded within the organization, it's not out of the question that we'll see him produce at higher levels of the organization in the future.
Stockton Ports - 20-22, 3rd Place Cal League North Division, 4.5 games back
Who's Hot: CF Jermaine Mitchell - .242/.343/.360, 6 homers, 20 steals
After getting called out last week, Mitchell responded by going 14-for-41 (.341) with 2 homers, 3 doubles, a steal and 10 RBIs in his last 10 games. Jermaine's another A's prospect that's having a down year overall, but is trending upward as of late. He's showing glimpses of his 5-tool reputation, especially with the 20 steals and solid center field defense. However, he still needs to put the bat on the ball with a little more authority and a little more often. He's drawn 45 walks so far, so he's doing a nice job recognizing pitches. If he can somehow keep this recent hot streak up and possibly get up to a .750 OPS on the season, then his prospect status should remain about the same as it was beginning the year, despite the several months of struggling.
Who's Not: SS Josh Horton - .285/.361/.335, 1 homerun, 43-72 BB-K mark
When Horton was drafted as a highly-polished shortstop out of the strong collegiate program of North Carolina, it seemed like he might supplant Bobby Crosby someday as Oakland's starting shortstop. However, Horton hasn't really lived up to those lofty expectations. While he still draws plenty of walks and hits for a decent average, he has yet to show much of a power stroke at all, failing to brake the .400 slugging barrier at any of his 3 minor league stops (Vancouver, Kane County and now Stockton) and has tallied just 3 homers in his entire 1.5 year pro career. Even at the hitter's haven that is the California League, Horton has notched just 14 extra-base hits total in almost 400 at-bats this season. What's more, Horton's normally excellent plate discipline has also regressed this season. Normally a sure-bet to walk nearly as often or more than he strikes out, Horton's control of the zone has taken a huge dive and he has struck out almost 30 times more than he has walked. That Horton is not an especially adept defender at short (13 errors committed so far this season) nor a strong baserunner (2 stolen bases/6 caught stealing) only magnifies the need for him to swing a potent bat. After only mustering a .239 average (with 0 extra-base hits) and a 2-11 BB-K mark in his past 10 games, Horton is clearly trending in the wrong direction.
Kane County Cougars - 19-23, 7th Place, Midwest League West Division, 6 games back
The Cougars, while playing sub-.500 baseball, nevertheless have more players playing good baseball at this point that do those that are performing poorly. So I'll just point out a positive here:
Who's Hot: LHP Carlos Hernandez, 2-0, 3.65 ERA, 11 K's, 3 walks in 12 IP
After dominating for Vancouver, little Carlos was called up to Kane County, where he has continued his excellent pitching. According to a year-old Scout.com profile, the guy doesn't have too many plus offerings, but has a nice, full arsenal of high-80s fastball, slider, curve and changeup that he can all locate and mix well. Seems to be working well for him so far.
Vancouver Canadians
Who's Hot: RHP Shawn Haviland - 1-1, 2.45 ERA, 29-8 K-BB
The Harvard-educated Haviland has been outsmarting Northwest League hitters for the Canadians ever since signing with the organization earlier this year. He's been working as a starter the past few games, but his future may lie as a righty-specialist out of the bullpen: he's got a 1.56 ERA, and a 18-4 K-BB mark against righties on the season.
Who's Hot: OF David Lee Thomas - .300/.403/.400, 9 doubles, 18-22 K-BB ratio
The A's 2008 14th round pick, Thomas has kind of come out of nowhere to post these very good numbers here in Vancouver. The guy can hit and according to the Catawba College website the guy can play solid outfield defense. He's also a switch hitter, although he seems to be a much better right-handed better than left-handed one. I don't know much about this guy and it'll be hard for a relatively no-name 14th rounder to make an impact on the prospect ranks, but his hot-start is definitely worth noting and keeping an eye on.
AZL (Rookie League) Athletics - 3-4, 5th Place, 3 games behind (2nd half of season standings)
**Obligatory Nino Leyja Update***
Leyja: .355/.446/.527, 19-19 K-BB, 10 stolen bases, 13 Xtra base hits
I gotta find out more information about this kid! I am fascinated about his potential (even if he has been committing a lot of errors in the field and has been DH-ing the last few games).
Who's Hot: OFers Rashun Dixon & Tyreace House
These two guys highlighted a 2008 draft class that heavily favored speed and athleticism. Dixon has been showing off some impressive raw power with a .901 OPS and 14 extra-base hits (5 homers) in only 105 at-bats. Early returns suggest it may have been best for the organization and for Dixon himself to forgo his football scholarship to Mississippi State and sign for overslot money to play pro baseball instead.
House signed after Dixon and is still likely finding his groove in pro ball, but he's showing off some nice tools in the early going with a .356 OBP (supported by a 7-7 K-BB mark) and is 10 for 10 in stolen base attempts in only 15 games. Both of these guys look like intriguing prospects going forward.
A's Prospects in the News
1. Baseball America's Hot Sheet, for the first time in several weeks, did not feature any A's prospects on the top of the list. However, in the notes at the bottom of the page, Vince Mazzaro's name is brought up. The BA writers note that opposing managers are impressed by Vince's ability to command his sinking fastball and to pitch to contact.
2. BA writer Nathan Rode gives a little more attention about Stockton Ports Josh Donaldson and Matt Spencer in this week's BA Hot Sheet Chat. Rode admits that both players have hit very well since coming over in the Harden and Blanton trades, are both legitimate prospects and will be considered for future Hot Sheets if they continue their current levels of production.
3. Kevin Goldstein also gives a shout-out to Josh Donaldson in his Monday Ten Pack. Goldstein notes that while prospect watchers should not altogether dismiss Donaldson's poor performance earlier this season while with Low-A Peoria of the Chicago organization, Josh's recent pounding of the ball at Stockton combined with his strong track record should begin to bring Josh back to being considered one of the top offensive catching prospects in the minors.
4. The USA College National Baseball team finished up their exhibition summer season last weekend with a sterling 24-0 record. 2008 7th round draft pick Brett Hunter pitched for the team and put some impressive numbers. On the campaign Hunter was 2-0, with a 1.47 ERA and 26 strikeouts, 11 walks and 7 hits allowed in 4 games (3 starts) and 18.1 total innings pitched. Hunter has still not yet signed with the A's and has reportedly been holding out for a signing bonus in the neighborhood of $2 million. While that sum would represent a dramatic over-slot commitment to someone of questionable health, Hunter, if fully healthy, would have been a sure-fire late 1st-round/early 2nd round pick this past draft. With the August 15th signing deadline looming, I say again, just sign the guy. It's not like that money is earmarked for the major league team or anything.
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You know
reading this actually makes me feel a little better about the big club sucking so much lately. It gives me a slight glimmer of hope even though it’s possible none of these guys ever make it to the show. I might have to read these posts more often.
You have to include smiley faces - Poppy
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by micdog2001 on
Aug 4, 2008 10:13 PM PDT
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There's a better then even chance
I’ll get to watch Mazzaro debut for the River Cats. I’ll try to get something written up if I make the game.
Looking at the title, I didn’t realize we got to hope anymore.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on
Aug 4, 2008 10:14 PM PDT
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I really liked this piece.
It’s good to hear about guys other than the usual prospects, starring Kevin Spacey. I thought Herrera had one more option remaining after this year. Is that true? Any word on Hunter’s velocity?
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on
Aug 4, 2008 10:22 PM PDT
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Herrera has an option remaining for next year
He still sucks though.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on
Aug 4, 2008 10:25 PM PDT
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True, but he has all the tools to make it all he has to do is stay healthy
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on
Aug 4, 2008 10:28 PM PDT
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Just like Chavez. and Harden. and Buck.
and… and… and…
by mikev on
Aug 4, 2008 10:30 PM PDT
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All of those guys were good major league players
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on
Aug 4, 2008 10:31 PM PDT
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He could be Davis next year if nothing else
by A'sfaninNC on
Aug 5, 2008 2:08 PM PDT
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Herrera?
You serious?
The guy is DHing right now because his health is such a shambles. He’s Rocco Baldelli without the actual talent.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
Aug 5, 2008 7:13 PM PDT
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BA named Cunningham Prospect of the Day in AA Dish on Monday
“Aaron Cunningham (Athletics) reached base three times yesterday, going 2-for-3 with a double, a walk and two runs scored. The Midland outfielder’s line now sits at .320/.388/.510 in 337 at-bats for the RockHounds.”
This is probably a great honor.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on
Aug 4, 2008 10:34 PM PDT
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They will sing epic songs in his honor!
I’m not sure who “they” are… probably mental patients.
The monster at the end of this blog.
by grover on
Aug 4, 2008 10:43 PM PDT
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hunter
that 2mill he’s asking for is top 10 draft pick $$
1-1.5milll sounds more reasonable with his injury history which is the range for a mid-late 1st rd pick
by Asfan4ever723 on
Aug 4, 2008 10:47 PM PDT
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It's very clear that Hunter's price is not "worth it" in draft pick terms
If he was, he’d have been picked somewhere commensurate with his talent. Tanner Scheppers went, what, supplemental round? They’re similarly talented pitchers with similar injury issues.
If you want to buy a second-round talent in the seventh round, you have to pay first-round money. Facts of the situation. Let me slip into financial terminology here. The percentage rate of return on your investments for over-slot picks is a lot lower than on normal picks. But the draft is a rigged game—it’s very hard to lose money. It’s to a team’s advantage to put as many dollars in play in that rigged game as possible even though over-slot investments are less efficient in percentage terms.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
Aug 4, 2008 11:55 PM PDT
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Scheppers = Hunter
Going into the season and both at times were considered top 15 talents(prior to injuries). I think a good stick to measure either against is Tim Melville(4th rounder royals) as he was also considered a mid 1st round talent, but has the college leverage these 2 dont. Looking at mid 1st round bonuses 1.5 to 1.75 seems like a bonus Hunter deserves or all 3 for that matter. 2 million dollars is really top 10 money and even Melville said he wanted mid 1st round money.
I doubt if Hunter or Scheppers go back for there Senior year 2 million will be available next year.
by Bud Light on
Aug 5, 2008 8:43 AM PDT
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It seems that Dixon may be hurt
Missed 3 straight games.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on
Aug 5, 2008 12:12 AM PDT
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question
so i was looking up some a’s draft picks and i also searched for buster posey and justin smoak and got no results. so have they not signed yet?
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on
Aug 5, 2008 3:42 AM PDT
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I don't think Posey has signed yet.
I thought Smoak had though…but I guess he hasn’t:
http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/draft/2008/bonuses/signing_bonuses_08.aspx
by Taj Adib on
Aug 5, 2008 8:38 AM PDT
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I almost just went nuts
Thinking “You mean the A’s drafted Posey too a few years ago but didn’t sign him?!!!!”
by jdr on
Aug 5, 2008 8:59 AM PDT
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Most of the top draft picks won't sign until August 14 or 15...
I don’t really understand why they even made the signing period as long as they did. At this point everyone is just waiting until the end to announce over-slot signings and/or see what other players got.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
Aug 5, 2008 11:41 AM PDT
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I love these updates
There’s been so much success down on the farm lately that even in an “off” week there’s still good news. Taj I hope you continue these throughout the year.
by jdr on
Aug 5, 2008 9:01 AM PDT
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A couple other notes...
- Chris Carter just went 0 for 4 with 4 Ks, but overall one stat that really stands out to me is that his OPS is over .900 vs. LHP, vs. RHP, at home, and on the road. Nice!
- Josh Outman’s last appearance was his first good one with Midland: 4 IP, 4 hits, 1 ER, 0 BB, 2K. The 0 BBs are key.
- Since his demotion, Eric Patterson has hit in all 5 games for Sacramento, going 6/20 (.300) with 1 HR and 1 SB. I still don’t get the move of sending him down after saying “he’ll be in there every day, in LF and some 2B” and then changing their minds after 10 ABs. Did he miss the team bus or something?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Aug 5, 2008 9:08 AM PDT
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Of course they have to say he'll be in there every day.
Geren is a yes man, he’s not going to come out and say “Well, if he hits like shit we’re sending him back down”
by mikev on
Aug 5, 2008 9:12 AM PDT
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Geren isn't a yes man. He's just really positive.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on
Aug 5, 2008 9:25 AM PDT
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Geren's not just sure, he's HIV positive.
The 2009 A's draft pick... getting higher every game.
by rebus on
Aug 5, 2008 1:10 PM PDT
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Is that why he hires so many aides?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Aug 5, 2008 1:17 PM PDT
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Good to hear that about Carter
I was worried about those ambidextrous SP’s pitching to him, but alas its no concern.
The Stockton Ports pitching staff is better than the Orioles.
by gdub171 on
Aug 5, 2008 9:39 AM PDT
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Remember the thing Cust would have to hit to be off the team well maybe
Patterson got close
by A'sfaninNC on
Aug 5, 2008 2:12 PM PDT
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Re: Patterson
A possibility is that in their closer look they saw something specific that he needs work on, and sent him down with specific instructions.
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on
Aug 5, 2008 9:10 AM PDT
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That was a reply to Nico. I am AN-deficient.
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on
Aug 5, 2008 9:10 AM PDT
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That could be, but it doesn't look very good
if you want others not to press to say “he’s here for a while…Wait, those 10 ABs really sucked!” He’s also one of the few options projected to hit well for a team that can’t hit its way out of a Brett Myers probation hearing and is leading off with OBP and SB machine Jack Hannahan.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Aug 5, 2008 9:28 AM PDT
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Well, my theory on Hannahan
is that his name just wrapped around from what should’ve been the 9 spot the previous night.
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on
Aug 5, 2008 10:12 AM PDT
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That makes no sense, otherwise Barton wouldn't be in Oakland.
by OldhamA on
Aug 5, 2008 11:57 AM PDT
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Fair enough
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on
Aug 5, 2008 12:05 PM PDT
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Thanks for the update Taj......
I always enjoy reading about our young pups in the minors. I”m gonna try and make it to a Stockton Ports game with Saint before the year is done.
Go A’s!!!!!!
p.s. Poor Buck, he can’t seem to catch a break!
by mrod on
Aug 5, 2008 10:52 AM PDT
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THE FEZ feat. TAJ ADIB
Good to hear we got some talent. I’ve never seen the A’s in such bad shape, not even in the later Mcguire years (at least they hit a lot of HR’s then). TOSS IT!
by Baggy Baby on
Aug 5, 2008 11:01 AM PDT
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No way!!!!
Baggy Baby is blogging now! I’m so proud! You best be recommending all my comments and blog posts!
by Taj Adib on
Aug 5, 2008 11:06 AM PDT
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11 days and counting...
Just sign Hunter, Elgie, and Warren already!
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on
Aug 5, 2008 11:01 AM PDT
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Don't worry...
there’s zero chance of them announcing any of those signings until at least August 14th.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
Aug 5, 2008 11:45 AM PDT
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agree
As I speculated in an earlier column, I think the Coleman signing was a leak (via Coleman) b/c there has been no official announcement of it yet via MLB or the A’s. Even if teams decide to break slot they still want to wait until the latest possible to announce so as not to affect any of their own signings. They want to negotiate with these guys in a vacuum.
by jdr on
Aug 5, 2008 12:22 PM PDT
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Wouldn't they want Coleman playing as soon as possible?
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on
Aug 5, 2008 12:35 PM PDT
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Given the choice between "get a few more games out of your draftee"
and “possibly save money, plus avoid getting yelled at by MLB”, teams seem to choose the latter pretty consistently.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
Aug 5, 2008 1:20 PM PDT
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Is there really even a choice?
Doesn’t MLB have to approve all contracts anyway? So if MLB sits on the paperwork, maybe nothing can go forward anyway?
I don’t know that this is the case; I’m just speculating.
by Faust on
Aug 5, 2008 1:27 PM PDT
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No
MLB can’t actually stop teams from signing players over-slot. All they can do is be annoying and obnoxious when you do.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
Aug 5, 2008 7:15 PM PDT
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Coleman's signed now.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on
Aug 5, 2008 9:53 PM PDT
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Regarding Zac Elgie
I cover the University of Kansas baseball team at Rock Chalk Talk. Elgie has committed to KU. I am wondering if anyone here has a good read on his chances of signing with the A’s vs. coming to KU.
Thanks for any help here.
www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage
by James Quinn on
Aug 5, 2008 6:34 PM PDT
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Really awesome new feature from bp
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/minoreqa.php
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on
Aug 5, 2008 12:48 PM PDT
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Actually more worthless than I thought at first, but still great
The A's colors are green and gold.
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Aug 5, 2008 12:56 PM PDT
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So Sean Rodriguez and Brandon Wood are the solutions to our infield problem?
Ivan DeJesus is also good. Jose Offerman’s alive and useful!
How is this more worthless than you thought initially?
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on
Aug 5, 2008 1:11 PM PDT
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Various things
1. The translations are all limited to this year/particular level, which limits their usefulness sort of severely for projection purposes, since it means a lot of them are small samples. It would be better to have a “Cahill 08” number, and better still to use whole careers for the “peak” thing.
2. The pitching numbers are kinda silly (I suspect bp’s pitching numbers generally are kinda silly.) In particular, it seems to treat various component stats as independent (like H/9 and K/9), which is silly.
3. The “regular translation” numbers seem kinda dubious, and seemingly quite a bit different from what the minorleaguesplits calculator comes up, so what to make of that? And indeed, CD says,
Ideally, this is how the player would
perform if he were called up to the majors right now – allowing for the difference between the
real majors and the standard league. In practice, they fall short. Most of that is because the
player most likely to be promoted is the one who is playing farthest over his head, a form of
selection bias. Players in AA or lower are even more likely to fall short, because the translation
routine is calibrated for one-level jumps, and there does appear to be an additional drop in
performance for players whotry to jump two (or more) levels at once.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on
Aug 5, 2008 1:22 PM PDT
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BB-Pro used to have MLE's regularly IIRC until milb.com enforced an exclusivity
on minor league statistics or something. I bet they’ll add the prior years later—at least three.
On the dubiousness of “regular translation” numbers, DeJesus, Rodriguez and Wood do seem too good to be true here. Heck Offerman would be our best 1B option.
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by WaddellCanseco on
Aug 5, 2008 9:57 PM PDT
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OK
So really it’s just another of those things that’s really awesome, and great, yet worthless. Got it!
by Faust on
Aug 5, 2008 1:28 PM PDT
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Not worthless
“more worthless than ‘really awesome’”, and “really awesome” is bountiful in its worth.
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on
Aug 5, 2008 1:29 PM PDT
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sorta like AN!
This is the highest-known density of gorillas that's ever been found. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Aug 5, 2008 1:50 PM PDT
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No Luck Buck...
...Classic!
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
by UncleLeo on
Aug 5, 2008 1:04 PM PDT
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This begs the question...
Top draft pick Jemile Weeks suffered a hip flexor injury while running out a ground-out in the 1st inning of Kane County’s game @ Wrigley Field on July 30th. The injury reportedly “seemed really bad” at the time and Weeks has not played since that time, but Jemile has not been placed on the disabled list as of yet and info about the injury has been tough to come by. If anybody has an update on his condition, please post it below!
...does the organization have any kind of obligation to keep it’s fans updated for stuff like this? I can think of good points for both ‘yes’ and ‘no’, but wonder what others think.
You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all. ~Earl Weaver
by UncleLeo on
Aug 5, 2008 1:05 PM PDT
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It's gotta be a privacy violation for the patient.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on
Aug 5, 2008 1:12 PM PDT
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The last CBA changed some of the "rules and regs"
towards greater privacy. I don’t remember how minor leaguers are impacted, but now no medical info on major league players can be disclosed to the press without the player’s consent, right?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Aug 5, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
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I don't see how anybody can disclose results of medical tests to anyone without
the patient’s consent.
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by WaddellCanseco on
Aug 5, 2008 9:59 PM PDT
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I think it's largely a matter of not much coverage of the minor league teams, ie no one is there to ask the KC manager or Weeks
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by mikeA on
Aug 5, 2008 1:24 PM PDT
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Found this, which I think is from Sunday:
Not a matter of weeks: Jemile Weeks, who left the Road to Wrigley game Tuesday in the top of the first inning with a leg injury after trying to beat out infield grounder, will not be placed on the disabled list but will not appear in the current series with the Whitecaps."He’s doing well," Nieckula said of the Athletics 2008 top draft choice. "He’s got a hip-flexor strain that’s going to put him out for a couple games, maybe even up to a week. We’ll bring him back slowly, make sure he’s healthy before we run him back out there. It’s just probably day-to-day at this point."
"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.
by andeux on
Aug 5, 2008 1:52 PM PDT
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Day-to-day! Words of doom in my opinion!
But thanks a for the link andeux!
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
by Taj Adib on
Aug 5, 2008 1:56 PM PDT
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If you havent seen yet.. Gio Gonzalez has been called up.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=21&entry_id=28819
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on
Aug 5, 2008 1:45 PM PDT
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Here's my "sliver of hope" entry for today
Certainly, one FA signing and one “not too major” trade is a realistic possibility for this off-season. Given a “successful-enough” surgery and recovery by Chavy, this lineup doesn’t look too bad, still managing payroll and not having to deal untouchable prospects:
Cunningham – RF
Cust – LF
Chavez – 1B
Dunn – DH
Kouzmanoff – 3B
Gonzalez – CF
Suzuki – C
Ellis – 2B
Crosby – SS
4th OFer: Sweeney; Utility Player: Patterson; Ready at AAA: Barton
The rotation is good-but-not-spectacular with Duke, Gallagher, Smith, Gio, and the winner of the #5 sweepstakes, and the bullpen is pretty solid/deep. Looks like a potential wild card contender – a “2005 team” – at the very least, no?
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Aug 5, 2008 2:21 PM PDT
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I like that lineup a lot.
Dunn looks like he might not have very many suitors in free agency, but all it will take is one team willing to overpay and he’s off to greener pastures. Also, I doubt that Wolfish will pony up for a long-term deal for such a one-dimensional player without major milestones being reached in the Fremont plan in the next 6 months.
You know that I am a fan of trading for Kouz. Who/what do you think we would trade to get him in the fold?
Without Dunn, Big Frank could be slotted into the DH slot for one more year. Doesn’t change the “fear” factor of the middle of the lineup too much.
I'm never gonna do it without the fez on!
by Taj Adib on
Aug 5, 2008 2:52 PM PDT
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Big Frank wouldn't be free next year though
And Dunn is a much better player going forward.
I really really hope everyone but Beane agrees with Ricciardi, and we get Dunn without blowing our entire wad.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on
Aug 5, 2008 3:24 PM PDT
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Where's Allen Craig?
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on
Aug 5, 2008 10:01 PM PDT
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Hadn't seen this linked yet
But the A’s agree to terms with 3 players, but two we already knew. Maybe I missed where Chris Berroa signed, but either way, here it is.
Might as well Jump! - Van Halen
by sprtsnwyn on
Aug 5, 2008 2:38 PM PDT
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These signings were leaked a while back
but the official word hadn’t gone out yet.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
Aug 5, 2008 7:18 PM PDT
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