Try to remember that time in September...
Well, that's what they tell the guys like Craig Brazell, anyway. Remember it, 'cause you're not coming back anytime soon...
The rosters expand after today's game, so I thought I'd take a gander at the situation. The A's are in a bit of a bind right now, with a ton of players who need to be protected from the Rule 5 draft if the team wants to make sure of keeping them until next year. They actually got a head start on things today, calling up Aaron Cunningham while putting Andrew Brown on the 60-day DL.
I figure I'll take a glance at the team's minor league affiliates to figure out who should get a September cup of joe, how many of them are not on the 40-man roster, and who should get the proverbial axe to make room. Obviously, I won't be wasting anyone's time with guys who clearly aren't good enough for the big leagues, so the list of guys who are Rule 5 eligible isn't going to be an exhaustive one. I've bolded the guys I think will be added to the 40-man roster. Of the group that's already on it, I've bolded the ones I think will put in an appearance this September.

The Low Minors (Stockton and downward)
Rule 5 eligible: Jose Garcia, Jamie Richmond
Richmond, the lesser half of the Mark Kotsay package, has had a really mediocre season. I thought he had some potential as a back-of-the-rotation type, but he looks very unlikely to make the majors now. He's not a factor. Garcia is interesting, as he's talented but also extremely injury prone. Now that I've confirmed that Fautino De Los Santos doesn't need to be added to the 40-man roster yet, I think he squeaks onto the roster.
These guys aren't big-league callup material right now, so any moves involving them can wait until November.
Midland
Rule 5 eligible: Jason Windsor, Ryan Webb, Anthony Recker, Jesus Guzman, Justin Sellers
On the 40-man: Dan Meyer, Henry Rodriguez, Javier Herrera, Richie Robnett
Windsor's shoulder appears to be completely shot at this point.
Ryan Webb has solid stuff. His numbers don't really paint an optimistic picture of his future, but there's enough filler on the pitching staff right now that I think he'll get protected. Don't think he'll be called up, though.
Recker offers the potential of a catcher with the power to slug double-digit home runs from the backup spot. The A's 40-man is a little light on catchers right now and their upper-level org chart is REALLY light on them, so I think they'll put him on the 40-man. The question is, will he get a big-league callup?
Jesus Guzman has hit the bejeezus out of AA, but his stint in AAA this year was short and injury-riddled. He's not a "classic A's player"-- his plate discipline is fringe-average and he's not a great defender-- but I think he's done enough to earn a roster spot. He would actually be a free agent, not merely Rule 5 eligible, if he was not placed on the 40-man roster, so the odds of him returning would be very low if the A's do not add him.
Justin Sellers is a tough call. The A's love his game, but he just doesn't appear to have the bat to warrant expending a roster spot on him. He might stick as a utility guy, but the A's have a bunch of guys in that range of player anyway.
Of the guys on the 40-man, we all know about Dan Meyer. He'll probably come back to Oakland once the minor league playoffs are over, but the game is about up for him. His exile to Texas may not literally be a geographic comment by the team on his future chances, but it might as well be.
Henry Rodriguez is too raw to justify a big-league stint. It's not clear he's even capable of handling AA at this point, so the majors is out of the question.
Javier Herrera hasn't done much the past few years, but the team just might give him a shot to show something in the majors. His option clock is ticking loudly at this point, so it may be a situation where he gets cut if he doesn't show well in MLB.
Richie Robnett has to be considered a bust at this point. He moved backward this season. I think he will be designated for assignment this September.
Sacramento
Rule 5 eligible: Chris Gissell, Brad Kilby, Shane Komine, Jay Marshall, Josh Outman, Ryan Wing, Jeff Baisley, Wes Bankston, Brooks Conrad, Donnie Murphy, Danny Putnam
On the 40-man: Lenny DiNardo, Jeff Gray, Landon Powell, Gregorio Petit, Travis Buck, Chris Denorfia, Carlos Gonzalez, Matt Murton
It might be easier to list the players on Sacto's roster who AREN'T Rule 5 eligible (basically, Vince Mazzaro). Lightning-round style for the also-rans: Chris Gissell has had a nice season, but looks like a 7th starter. Brad Kilby is the 5th best lefty reliever in an organization that can probably keep 4. Shane Komine, like Jason Windsor, was fringy before getting hurt and is sadly a nonfactor now. Jay Marshall rocked AA but has been awful in AAA, and his American Taliban-esque facial hair probably isn't doing him any favors with head office. Brooks Conrad somehow got big-league time, but he's not even AAAA material.
Josh Outman recently received praise from the A's brass, who called him "everything they had expected," or something to that effect. He'll probably come up to work out of the bullpen in September, but he might get some starts if the A's decide to go cautious with their current rotation. He's a lock for the 40-man.
Ryan Wing is an interesting case. He's a lefty reliever who has a history of injury problems. He missed all of 2004, then pitched for about half of 2005, very ineffectively, and missed most of 2006. Over his minor league career, he was quite effective at shutting down the opposition's batters, but he's had control issues (possibly related to the injuries) and hasn't racked up huge numbers of strikeouts. Is he better than Dan Meyer? Hard to say. The key may be whether Wing has options remaining-- if he does, he might be a better choice than Meyer going forward.
Jeff Baisley has been hurt for a lot of this season, which is too bad because he looks like a pretty solid third baseman and the A's could really have used that this year. He has actual power, unlike the other stopgap non-Chavezes the A's have been running out there of late. If he's healthy, he should definitely get a callup.
Wes Bankston simply doesn't look like an answer at the positions he can actually play. If he played an acceptable third he might be comparable to Baisley, but he doesn't.
Donnie Murphy's bizarre vacillation between being a low-OBP slugger and a slappy average guy continues, as he hit 11 homers in AAA this year after posting just 3 last season in more at-bats. Facts is facts, though-- a .318 AAA OBP isn't impressing anyone. Making matters worse, he isn't showing well against lefties this year. Entering the year he looked like a solid platoon caddy in the infield. Now he just looks like army surplus.
Danny Putnam has quietly posted a solid season (.276/.385/.497, 15 HR) in AAA. I just don't see the room for him. He's badly overstretched in center field, and the A's appear to have a lot of better options at the corners. I don't think he'll make the roster. I DO think he'll get drafted by another organization-- plenty of teams could use a solid backup corner outfielder. If I had to pick one player as most likely to actually get taken in Rule 5, I'd go with Putnam.
Landon Powell is hurt, so he can't get called up. Him excepted, it's fish or cut bait time for the guys on the 40-man roster. Lenny D has been hammered pretty consistently this year and it seems like the team can find better swingmen pretty easily. Jeff Gray still hasn't explained what he's doing on the 40-man, and at this point I can't see how he survives the next round of layoffs. He keeps the ball on the ground but does nothing else well enough to look like even a middle relief option.
You know the rest of the names on this list; all of them have been involved extensively this year, one way or another. I have no idea how they'll find playing time for this many outfielders. All the more reason why I think Putnam's chance will have to come outside of the A's organization.
Conclusion: The A's need to find somewhere between 6 and 8 spaces on their 40-man roster. I'll call it 7. However, they don't need all of those spots immediately. Garcia, if they protect him, is not going to be a callup, and Webb and Recker probably won't be either. So over the next few weeks, the A's need to cut about four players. One of those "cuts" could be Frank Thomas-- depending on whether his quad keeps acting up or not, he might be placed on the 60-day DL and thus shelved for the year. Here's a list of the plausible options for roster cuts:
Lenny DiNardo
Keith Foulke
Dan Meyer
Jeff Gray
Kirk Saarloos
Jack Hannahan
Emil Brown
Chris Denorfia
Javier Herrera
Richie Robnett
(Frank Thomas)
Assuming Thomas is able to come back, I would cut Robnett, DiNardo, Foulke and Brown. After the season ends, the A's will have exactly 40 players on their 40-man roster, so three more players will have to go to make room for Rule 5 protection purposes-- probably Herrera, Gray and Saarloos. Further cuts will be needed if the A's sign any free agents or take a Rule 5 player... but let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
Any thoughts or comments on what the A's might do over the last month are, of course, much encouraged.
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We have too many OFs
I know OF get injured and its nice to have some depth but jeez
Denorfia
Davis
Cust
Cunningham
Sweeney
Gonzalez
Buck
Murton
and all are major league caliber OF I feel (now how many are starter material we can argue about) and are under control for at least 3 more years (most more). Some should probably be moved with some relievers this offseason.
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by iamawesomer on Aug 31, 2008 7:46 PM PDT 0 recs
Should add Putnam to the list
I think he’s at least as good as Denorfia or Murton.
by thejd44 on
Aug 31, 2008 8:35 PM PDT
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I think Denorfia's a more versatile backup
because he can PR and play center.
That said, at this point I’m not going to argue that he’s a better hitter per se, because he probably isn’t.
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by PaulThomas on
Aug 31, 2008 9:12 PM PDT
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At this point
I’d rather much rather have Davis than Denorfia. Neither of them cut it as starters, and Davis is much better than Denorfia as a defensive replacement, and a bit better as a PRer. For spot starts, Denorfia’s offensive advantage and Davis’s defensive advantage is either a wash or a slight advantage for Davis.
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by mikeA on
Aug 31, 2008 9:28 PM PDT
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I will freely admit
that my reasons for liking Denorfia are basically not related to his on-field performance…
I still think that he could be a plus leadoff hitter if he can get 100% healthy though. His approach is so much better than Davis’s…
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by PaulThomas on
Aug 31, 2008 9:35 PM PDT
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I fear that Denorfia is the most redundant of all our OFers
Davis provides the unique skill of true speed and top defense, but we have a ton of “very good” defensive OFers, guys who “could hit .290,” guys who “could steal 20 bases” – all the things Denorfia does well others can also do well and likely better.
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by Nico on
Aug 31, 2008 9:43 PM PDT
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Tried to post this last night but AN3.0 was being evil
Essentially what I said is that Denorfia is kind of a combination poor man’s Davis + Sweeney. His skill set overlaps those two guys, but those guys do things better. Davis is better with the speed and glove. Sweeney is a better for-average hitter. And with Cunningham in the fold, it looks like the A’s actually have a little right-handed presence in the outfield now. Redundant is pretty much the perfect word.
by thejd44 on
Sep 1, 2008 10:19 AM PDT
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In England,
being “made redundant” is a euphemism for “fired”… : /
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by PaulThomas on
Sep 1, 2008 12:16 PM PDT
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Not quite.
Fired is when you do something bad; made redundant is when your job disappears. You get compensation for the latter, but not for the former (at least below CEO grade).
by green star oakland on
Sep 1, 2008 5:13 PM PDT
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problem w OF is
Most seem like 4-5 type guys not impact.
CarGon is definetely the best of the bunch and Cunningham has the potential, however most view him as a 4th OF.
I agree 1 or more should be moved in the offseason, even if for nothing more than freeing up a roster spot.
by Bud Light on Aug 31, 2008 7:52 PM PDT 0 recs
Outfield
Next year, the A’s will have an interesting MLB Outfield, especially depending on if they go after a new DH (Giambi?)
Cunningham
Gonzalez
Buck
Sweeney
I think they will essentially rotate as the starting outfield next year, and my personal guess is that they pan out in that order I listed (LF/CF/RF/4OF). Throw Cust into the mix if they do not acquire a DH, and take him out if they do not. The 5th OF spot will depend on this. If Cust is sent to be the OF Bench Bat, he will be the 5th outfielder. If he is sent to DH, then Rajai Davis will probably be that 5th Outfielder, as he has more value at the position of 5th OF/25th Man than, say, Chris Denorfia, in that he is valuable in the aspects that you want from the 25th man not the ones that would be wasted in that position; He can play good defense, he can play Centerfield, and he can run and steal bases as a pinch runner. He doesn’t have to be able to hit well, because he won’t see signifigant playing time and at bats as a late inning PR/DR. But he will have to battle with Matt Murton for that position if Murton is not dealt because Murton has another skill set that would make him a good 4th/5th Outfielder because he is a Right Handed Platoon Player, and the A’s seem to like having that guy around (albe having him hit against RHP instead of LHP for some reason: Bobby Kielty, Emil Brown, Jay Payton, etc).
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by Zonis on Aug 31, 2008 8:17 PM PDT 0 recs
Help me through this
You have Cunningham and Buck rated above Sweeney, how did that happen? Cunningham has played exactly one game in the majors, Buck flamed out all year, and has done nothing yet to suggest he is ready for prime time, while Sweeney has played over half a season, is hitting .290, and fielding quite nicely thank you. All four of the guys are essentially the same age, and I have no idea which if any will turn out to be top quality major players but if I had to bet I would bet on Sweeney over Buck and probably Cunningham.
by Laoren on
Aug 31, 2008 9:13 PM PDT
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You could make this argument, but only if you completely ignore their minor league track records...
Both Cunningham and Buck have had much more impressive careers overall than Ryan Sweeney.
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by PaulThomas on
Aug 31, 2008 9:17 PM PDT
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Ive been trying to explain this in other threads.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on
Aug 31, 2008 10:17 PM PDT
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so what Buck did in 2007 doesn't matter?
Putting up great (way, way, better than Sweeney) numbers last year in half a season counts as “something” that indicates he is ready for prime time.
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by mikeA on
Aug 31, 2008 9:30 PM PDT
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What Buck did in 2007 matters just as much as what he's done in 2008.
Everybody keeps penciling Buck in as a starting corner OF in Oakland next year, but nobody wants to look at the fact that he’s never played a full season without injury, is an average defensive OF at best, and experienced a horrific drop in performance this season.
That doesn’t mean he won’t come back next year and have an .850 OPS again, but it’s probably more likely that Sweeney does that next year than Buck.
by mikev on
Sep 1, 2008 9:59 AM PDT
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I'm not penciling him in...
Sweeney/Cunningham/FA might be beat him out for a spot, but a lot of people (like the comment I was responding to are writing him off for what’s happened this year. As for Buck vs. Sweeney, I don’t think Buck will put up a .850 OPS as he did in 07, but I’m not sure Sweeney is even capable of that.
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by mikeA on
Sep 1, 2008 11:15 AM PDT
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I feel I've already commented on this issue
http://www.athleticsnation.com/2008/7/30/583195/open-thread-trade-deadline#7773745
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by PaulThomas on
Sep 1, 2008 12:18 PM PDT
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The Wayne Garland Factor
I’ve seen way too many players in my many years as a baseball fan have one good season, then get tagged with the ‘good MLB player’ label, only to never have a good MLB season again despite far too many opportunities. Hence, several years ago I developed my “Missouri” stance… show me two years in a row, then I’ll believe you’re legit.
Having said that, I want Buck to succeed. I like him. But, I’m not convinced yet. Plus, he seems to be way too prone to nagging little injuries that seem to hang on indefinitely and keep him from ever being 100%.
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by UncleLeo on
Sep 1, 2008 10:22 AM PDT
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same goes the other way around though...
I’m not saying he’s going to be great necessarily, but he needs to show me another year of suck to convince me that he sucks.
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by mikeA on
Sep 1, 2008 11:18 AM PDT
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Joe Charbonneau Factor
ROY, then submerges in no time. That guy was among the most dramatic.
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by One won lost won on
Sep 1, 2008 11:57 AM PDT
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oookay, missed on spelling Charboneau
here is Joe’s line:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/charbjo01.shtml
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by One won lost won on
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A better example.
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by UncleLeo on
Sep 2, 2008 8:00 AM PDT
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I don't know why people seem to think Ben Grieve faded so quickly
He varied somewhere between mediocre and good for at least his first six seasons. Bobby Crosby would be a better comparison than Grieve.
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by PaulThomas on
Sep 2, 2008 10:26 PM PDT
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I co-wrote the lyrics for a couple of hit singles by The Wayne Garland Factor in the '70s
There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Sep 2, 2008 10:13 AM PDT
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weren't you the guy they called in
…whenever they needed some automotive touches to the lyrics?
e.g.
Pedals to the floor hear his dual quads drink
And now the four-thirteens lead is startin to shrink
He fought with ram induction but it’s understood
I got a fuel injected engine sittin under my hood
“Shut Down” by the Beach Boys
Weren’t those your lyrics??!!
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by One won lost won on
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actually, Mike Love paid me $20,000 in small, unmarked, nonconsecutive bills to stay away from Brian Wilson
There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@
by monkeyball on
Sep 2, 2008 1:06 PM PDT
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Oh
so, you’re that guy!!!
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by One won lost won on
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I don't understand why Cust would not be starting in the DH scenario...
He’s clearly the best hitter of the lot at this point in time. He’ll be in the lineup… somewhere.
I really think they need another bat, though. Cust/Cunningham/Gonzalez is a good hitting outfield. Cunningham/Gonzalez/Sweeney isn’t. And right now I don’t feel like Buck is reliable enough to affect that calculus. The guy is made of glass.
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by PaulThomas on
Aug 31, 2008 9:20 PM PDT
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I'm not sure Gonzalez is part of a good hitting OF
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo
by WaddellCanseco on
Sep 1, 2008 4:26 AM PDT
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That's a very "what have you done for me lately" POV, IMO
The guy is 22 and was supposed to be in AAA all season. He’s extremely talented and doesn’t need to fix much to thrive. I think he’ll be fine.
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by Nico on
Sep 1, 2008 8:22 AM PDT
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I think he needs to fix his entire approach and stop swinging at pitches that aren't strikes
His plate discipline is terrible, and that’s going to kill him in the big leagues if he doesn’t start accepting that he might have to draw a walk or two. I think he’ll come around at some point, but for me he’s not a guarantee to be a starter at the beginning of next year. I’d make him earn it along with everybody else.
by thejd44 on
Sep 1, 2008 10:20 AM PDT
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With the treatment that Barton got this year
then Gonzalez shouldn’t even have to report to spring training, NFL-style. Just be there at gametime in whatever Japanese city that will host the A’s first home game next year.
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by Cutthemullet on
Sep 1, 2008 1:37 PM PDT
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He was supposed to be in AAA all season?
No offense, but I’m not aware of anyone who believed that to be the case. Most people thought he’d be up no later than June.
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by PaulThomas on
Sep 1, 2008 12:24 PM PDT
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That's what I remember from most, also, but...
…was that because he was so quick in developing, or because the team had been gutted and he was one of the better players by process of elimination? I would suggest a combination of the two. Barring injuries to others, on a better team he very well might have lasted in AAA at least until September, if not next year entirely.
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by UncleLeo on
Sep 1, 2008 1:16 PM PDT
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My feelings are
not that many of the minor leaguers you mentioned are real top prospects. The few decent ones like Outman and a couple of others we can keep by putting them on the 40 man roster and get rid of the DEAD WEIGHT currently on the 40 man roster by DFAing them. If anyone drafts these weaker minor leaguers we could get 50k for each one.
I would keep any decent lefty because teams like to draft them to keep them on their rosters.
by calas on Aug 31, 2008 8:29 PM PDT 0 recs
The A's have about 8 "decent lefties"
Can’t keep ’em all…
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by PaulThomas on
Aug 31, 2008 9:13 PM PDT
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yeah
8 Rincons is at least 7 too many.
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by Cutthemullet on
Sep 1, 2008 1:40 PM PDT
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It seems odd to me that DLS would be rule 5 eligible
where have you seen that?
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by mikeA on Aug 31, 2008 8:38 PM PDT 0 recs
De Los Santos
was signed by the White Sox on December 2, 2005, at age 19 years, 10 months. Under the prior CBA he would have had to be protected after his third season. The 2006 CBA provides that players signed at age 19 and up do not have to be protected until after their fourth season.
by Soaker on
Aug 31, 2008 9:11 PM PDT
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Thanks
I’ll edit the post to reflect that information.
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by PaulThomas on
Aug 31, 2008 9:21 PM PDT
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You can't cut Emil Brown
I have no idea why, mind you, but apparently you can’t.
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by Nico on Aug 31, 2008 8:48 PM PDT 0 recs
Easy answer
Because cutting him would make me happy.
And piss on me…

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by nevermoor on
Aug 31, 2008 9:11 PM PDT
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Yeah, I was about to say that too
Also, I don’t see Foulke getting cut, though I guess it’s possible. The guy fought his way back from injury for most of the year. It may not be logical to keep Brown and Foulke on the 40-man roster, but I don’t see logic playing much role in the number of at bats Brown received all year.
I would LOVE to be proven wrong.
by richwol1 on
Aug 31, 2008 10:28 PM PDT
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Emil
Are the A’s really that desperate for a compensatory draft pick…and will his performance even earn them one?
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by Cutthemullet on
Sep 1, 2008 1:43 PM PDT
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It won't
At least if this guy has reverse engineered the Elias rankings like he claimed he has, Brown is nowhere near the B level
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by iamawesomer on
Sep 1, 2008 1:47 PM PDT
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thanks, that's an interesting post/blog
Who’s Brian?
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by Cutthemullet on
Sep 1, 2008 1:55 PM PDT
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If I remember right
he was a tigers fan/blogger attending VT went the shooting went down there, he was one of the ones who was killed.
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by iamawesomer on
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That's interesting
What I need to know is if teams know if guys are Type A or B before the arby deadline. If he’s not Type B, don’t offer arbitration. If he is, offer it and hope he doesn’t accept because he’s unhappy about playing time.
by thejd44 on
Sep 2, 2008 9:54 AM PDT
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Even if they don't know...
…one would think they’d be able to guess fairly accurately. However, I don’t see an issue with them knowing beforehand, so I’d find it curious if they didn’t.
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by UncleLeo on
Sep 2, 2008 10:11 AM PDT
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Well, if they didn't know before, now they can read that guy's website and find out...
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by PaulThomas on
Sep 2, 2008 3:38 PM PDT
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Pretty much.
Brown, Hannahan, Foulke, and (probably) Sarloos aren’t going anywhere. Before the end of the regular season, I mean. Might as well scratch them from the list.
There is some dead wood on there, though, and nothing would be gained from keeping them or lost from releasing them.
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by UncleLeo on
Sep 1, 2008 9:05 AM PDT
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Gray has been very good the last two months, IIRC
I doubt he’s being considered as DFA fodder at this point.
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by notsellingjeans on Aug 31, 2008 10:19 PM PDT 0 recs
He's pretty pointless, though
He’s never had an impressive season in the minors, and the A’s have a ton of bullpen depth. Also, it’s extremely hard to believe that any team would put him on their 40-man if they dfa’d him, so minor league free agency is the only way we’re going to lose him. Which would not be a big deal in the slightest. The only thing I can think of is that good stuff that hasn’t been harnessed, but I’ve never seen any reports of that… The org must like something about him though, since they’ve dfa’d about 5 guys who would seem to be more valuable on paper. Still, it’s hard to see him surviving the “rule 5 avoidance” additions to the 40 man in the offseason.
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by mikeA on
Aug 31, 2008 10:35 PM PDT
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About Mark Ellis...
Assuming the team wants to collect a draft pick for him, he needs to be offered arbitration, so…
Does that mean he needs to remain on the A’s 40-man roster list until someone else signs him? Because that obviously has 40-man roster implications too.
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by notsellingjeans on Aug 31, 2008 10:21 PM PDT 0 recs
No, or at least, I believe the answer is no
As soon as a player files for free agency (or by the 16th day of the World Series if he doesn’t… the act of filing for free agency is purely a PR gimmick), he is removed from the 40-man roster. He is re-added to the roster if he accepts arbitration.
I don’t really understand why opinion has moved so far in the direction of not signing him. His hitting “decline” is purely due to a BABIP which is 45 points under his career average. Ray Durham also had a BABIP way below normal last year, and promptly rebounded to decency this year. Mark Ellis is like Ray Durham except his defense is “godlike” instead of “sub-mediocre.”
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by PaulThomas on
Aug 31, 2008 10:36 PM PDT
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I turned against signing Ellis when I stopped believing in the playoff prospects of the 2009 A's.
I don’t see him being the 2010-14 2B.
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by WaddellCanseco on
Sep 1, 2008 4:30 AM PDT
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Reluctantly, I agree with this.
If 2009/10 were doable, then I was/am all in favor of re-signing Ellis. While I don’t feel that it would be a waste to re-sign him anyway, I don’t see as much benefit, so it has become kind of a wash for me.
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by UncleLeo on
Sep 1, 2008 9:08 AM PDT
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Ellis' body is breaking down
We’ve already seen the best he ever will be. It can only get worse from here.
"Innings eater? Depends on whether you want delicious innings or burnt, moldy innings. Kirk Saarloos is the Hot Pockets of inning eaters." - Gallagher's Watermelons
by notsellingjeans on
Sep 1, 2008 5:12 AM PDT
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This is probably true
We’ve seen him be a 3 wins above average player for the last 4 years. It can only get worse from here.
You can say the same about Manny Ramirez, but he was a worse player to begin with… and, yet, I’ve seen people advocate signing him to a five year contract. (??!)
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