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Eveland can haz new mechanics?

I saw some of this was addressed in the Saturday Gameday thread, but I know a lot of people don't read those (they're quite massive) so I thought this could be useful here. On with the show.

Disclaimer: I know next to nothing about pitching mechanics. I am currently studying the Mike Marshall school of mechanics on the advice of Kyle Boddy of Driveline Mechanics (a very good site, I recommend checking it out). That said a few of Eveland's changes are pretty obvious so I thought I'd highlight them here.

Dana Eveland made his return to the Oakland A's rotation on Saturday, after 3 starts in the minors where he threw 21 IP, 2.57 ERA, 2 HR, 4 BB, 21 K.

One thing that did not return with Eveland though was his old pitching delivery. It's been replaced by a much cleaner delivery.

Here's Eveland's older fastball as seen by his strikeout of Rays 2B Akinori Iwamura:

Notice how he brings the glove and ball back from behind his head before bringing it behind his back. He also has a very slow extension of his right leg, it looks like he has a hitch when his right knee straightens out (though this may just be the gif quality).

Compare this with this fastball thrown to Ichiro Suzuki Saturday:

Now Eveland starts with the ball in front of his chest before dropping it behind his back. This is a much easier delivery to repeat and cuts out unnecessary movement. This should be a much easier motion to repeat perfectly than before. Eveland still appears to have a hitch in his leg step but it appears earlier and his right leg extends much smoother.

Eveland's new delivery seems to cut out a lot of the unneeded parts of the old one. But has it affected his pitches at all? I'll be using the numbers from my old Eveland analysis as a comparison (partially because it's easy and already done for me and also because my pitch database is being a, let's just say it rhymes with pitch, and isn't working right now.

Remember, we only have one start with Eveland's new delivery so small sample size applies, especially to the offspeed pitches. The first number is the old data, the second is Saturday's start

Pitch

Movement in x (in.)

Movement in z (in.)

Average Speed (mph)

Fastball

7.77 6.29

8.20 5.29

90.99 90.19

Curveball

-5.92 -6.00

-7.68 -7.71

79.58 78.74

Slider

-6.86 -6.13

-1.17 -2.83

83.96 83.44

Changeup

12.04 10.86

7.70 5.59

83.64 83.93

Well, the new delivery has had little effect on his velocity, his fastball may have lost a little juice but again we're only dealing with 46 fastballs.

The more interesting numbers are his movement. His fastball looks like it has a lot less "rise" to it, almost 3 inches worth. It also doesn't seem to break as much horizontally. The same can be said for his changeup, though the differences aren't as large (though this is only 9 pitches). His slider dropped a lot more, more than an inch and a half, which can be very useful. His curveball hasn't seemed to change at all.

Verdict

Eveland's mechanics might be easier to repeat and simpler, but it may have cost him a lot of movement (only 1 start of data though). Normally this is probably a bad thing, but it may have helped with his control as Eveland threw first pitch strikes to 18 of the 26 "batters" (very loose term with regards to the .264/.319/.388 2008 Mariners) he faced. It's difficult to come to too many conclusions after just one start, but Eveland's new delivery is probably a plus and hopefully will help him stick in the rotation this time around (with the injuries he's almost certain to for the rest of the year).

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by Zonis on Aug 25, 2008 4:40 PM PDT   0 recs

So incredibly true

Not that I think it’s a bad thing, mind.

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by PaulThomas on Aug 25, 2008 10:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Meow, meow, kitty! Aren't you just toooo cute!

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by iglew on Aug 26, 2008 1:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

first off, i always love to look at these post. I always find them so interesting
and hahaha to Zonis. I love that comment.

by ilovegregsmith on Aug 25, 2008 5:30 PM PDT   0 recs

Interesting data to ponder, small sample and all

Thanks for posting. It seems Eveland’s problems are opposite the problems of his fellow young starters. I worry that the others lack sufficient movement on their fastball – no power sinkers, no cutters, no wicked two-seam action. Eveland had plenty of movement but no command whatsoever. Now he is possibly sacrificing some movement for better control and command – which is to say he is becoming more like Smith, Gio, and Braden (who have had more command than old-Eveland even if they haven’t all had terrific command overall).

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by Nico on Aug 25, 2008 5:51 PM PDT   0 recs

Am I the only one that thinks games in Tampa are way too dark?

Maybe that’s why I always tend to fall asleep when watching those games. It’s like watching an episode of X-Files without the aliens (although Gabe Gross’ weird no eyebrow thing is quite non-human).

by thejd44 on Aug 25, 2008 6:09 PM PDT   0 recs

Yeah I was wondering about that

When I was recording the video since I did the Tampa game first I thought it may have been my software that had the problem but after doing the Seattle game I saw it was the feed’s fault. There have been plenty of other reasons in years past to fall asleep during Rays games but not this year.

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by iamawesomer on Aug 25, 2008 6:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the rays are a blast to watch this year. Such a great season for this young group of guys. It’s been fun to watch..even in the dark

by ilovegregsmith on Aug 25, 2008 6:52 PM PDT   0 recs

Lots of things are more fun in the dark

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 25, 2008 6:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Glowing

Nobody cares about a toy that “glows in the light”.

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by iglew on Aug 26, 2008 1:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ilovegregsmith, not sure if you know there's a reply button after each post

if you use it to respond to the post you’re talking about it makes it much easier to follow for the rest of us.

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by iamawesomer on Aug 25, 2008 7:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

oops

saying well aware almost sounded snide..ok it DID sound snide. I wasn’t. I just meant I am aware. For awhile there I wasn’t but I am. You mentioned that in years past Rays games gave reasons to fall asleep..I was just throwing my 2 cents in about that. that’s all.

by ilovegregsmith on Aug 25, 2008 7:43 PM PDT   0 recs

Driveline Mechanics is now an official SBN site

And I’m very proud to have it as a part of the family.

by Blez on Aug 25, 2008 7:49 PM PDT   0 recs

love pitching analysis

even though I know hardly anything.

since I don’t know anything, I’ll throw out some ideas that are probably wrong:

It seems bad that his fastball and changeup are closer in speed now.
It seems good that a guy with known control issues has less motion in his pitches overall.
It seems good that there’s more difference in motion between his fastball and changeup.

by phastphill on Aug 26, 2008 5:25 PM PDT   0 recs

Your conclusion was obviously concluded...

NOT. Say what you want about eveland he was pitched ten times better since he changed mechanics. It is good to have movement, but what good is movement if you can’t control it?

by mattman on Aug 31, 2008 10:12 AM PDT   0 recs

Care to quantify "ten times better"?

I’m guessing you can’t.

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by iamawesomer on Aug 31, 2008 3:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't get caught

up in the technicalities man. The bottom line is who cares about all that shit when he goes out there and gets the job done.

by mattman on Aug 31, 2008 4:03 PM PDT   0 recs

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