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Open Thread: Game 124 - A's vs. Twins

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Oakland Athletics @ Minnesota Twins


The All-Star Break could have been seen as the turning point for these A's. Going into the break, there was hope, albeit slim, that the A's were better than anticipated, and could challenge for the playoffs, despite trailing the Angels. Also, going into the All-Star Break, Justin Duchscherer was among the very best pitchers in all of baseball, representing Oakland at Yankee Stadium for the American League.

Just over a month later, five wins and twenty-three losses later, the story is much different. The A's personnel has changed a bit, Duchscherer seems to have lost his magic touch, and the A's are falling like a rock in the standings. Not falling? The Minnesota Twins, who in the Central Divison, are tied for first with the ChiSox, with a record of 70-53.

Looking to stop both trends tonight is the aforementioned Duchscherer, who comes into the game with a 10-8 record and 2.59 ERA, opposing Nick Blackburn, who sports a 9-6 record and 3.73 ERA. In off the field news, the A's have called up Kirk Saarloos to augment the bullpen, and have designated Wes Bankston for assignment.

Lineup

Oakland Athletics @ Minnesota Twins

08/18/08 5:10 PM PDT

Oakland Athletics Minnesota Twins
Mark Ellis - 2B Denard Span - CF
Eric Patterson - LF Nick Punto - 2B
Bobby Crosby - SS Joe Mauer - C
Frank Thomas - DH Justin Morneau - 1B
Jack Cust - RF Jason Kubel - RF
Kurt Suzuki - C Delmon Young - LF
Carlos Gonzalez - CF Brian Buscher - 3B
Jack Hannahan - 3B Randy Ruiz - DH
Daric Barton - 1B Adam Everett - SS


 

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So i’ve been MIA for a week because of being out of town. Did everyone survive the week?

by justarebelheart on Aug 18, 2008 5:04 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

barely

I was there yesterday.
That almost did me in.

"Never in your wildest alcoholic dreams could you conjure up a game like this!" Ken Korach

by jackcustismyhero32 on Aug 18, 2008 5:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was there too, I was tempted to jump over the railing of my seats

by justarebelheart on Aug 18, 2008 5:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i sat iright behind this white sox fan who,

after the grand slam was says “YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD!!! YES!!!!”
thats what almost did me in.
he was actually pretty nice though.

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by jackcustismyhero32 on Aug 18, 2008 5:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

right*

"Never in your wildest alcoholic dreams could you conjure up a game like this!" Ken Korach

by jackcustismyhero32 on Aug 18, 2008 5:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crosby batting third!

Maybe THAT’S what the A’s have been missing.

by NateHST on Aug 18, 2008 5:06 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Earn? Not to be pessimistic but I think the A’s may wrap it up nicely with a bow and give it to them…

by justarebelheart on Aug 18, 2008 5:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It should've read "Streaking Twins will have to just show up to earn win against A's"

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 5:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ladies and gentlemen,

Please remember there is NOOOO SMOOOKING in the METROOOODOOOME. NOOOOOO SMOOOKING!

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by Englishmajor on Aug 18, 2008 5:09 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

{almost makes Minneapolis airport joke, thinks better of it}

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 18, 2008 5:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ellis, first-pitch homer

Can we stop the game now?

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by Flashfire on Aug 18, 2008 5:11 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously did that really just happen? I need to lay off the drugs I think

by justarebelheart on Aug 18, 2008 5:11 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Goodnight! See y'all tomorrow.

"I'm disappointed Ziggy didn't pump his fist towards the sky 100 times and scream like a hooker." ~Nico.

by LAXile on Aug 18, 2008 5:12 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What?

I was so mad – for just a minute – I forgot we weren’t at home and thought that was hit by the opposing team. Yay?

by Rhndasue on Aug 18, 2008 5:12 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gameday now sporting vitamin ads in the game zone part.

One a day (at least one K a day keeps BoCro away from the bases)

"I'm disappointed Ziggy didn't pump his fist towards the sky 100 times and scream like a hooker." ~Nico.

by LAXile on Aug 18, 2008 5:15 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why is Cust in Right?

Has he been playing in RF since they recalled Patterson and I just didn’t notice?

"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse

by kbtoyz on Aug 18, 2008 5:19 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Little Nicky Punto, as MI batgirl used to call him.

"I'm disappointed Ziggy didn't pump his fist towards the sky 100 times and scream like a hooker." ~Nico.

by LAXile on Aug 18, 2008 5:20 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MN

"I'm disappointed Ziggy didn't pump his fist towards the sky 100 times and scream like a hooker." ~Nico.

by LAXile on Aug 18, 2008 5:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do we really have to watch Hanahan the rest of the year?

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 5:30 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes you do.

It’s part of the AN contract.

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by louismg on Aug 18, 2008 5:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't diss my homeboy Jack

Especially when he’s playing at home (or across the river from home).

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by Englishmajor on Aug 18, 2008 5:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey I'm from ND... MN sucks!!!!

and MT blows… that’s why it’s so friggin’ windy here!!!

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 5:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Suck and Blow

Isn’t that a party game?

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 5:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What town?

Pembina?

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by Englishmajor on Aug 18, 2008 5:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No... about 60 miles south of there in Minto

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 5:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We only learned about Pembina in school

because of Joe Rolette.

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by Englishmajor on Aug 18, 2008 5:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pembina is pretty much the oldest European town in ND.. fur trading post...

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 5:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

in high school, I played maracas for the Original Pembina Fur Traders

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 18, 2008 5:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice...

I played basketball against them.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 5:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Back in the 1980s

it wasn’t uncommon to see small national magazines and newsletters mailed from Pembina. Printers across the border took advantage of lower costs in Canada, then drove them over for postage.

That’s how I learned about Pembina.

"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk

by iglew on Aug 18, 2008 7:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sooo.....

i’ve got a real feeling a’s will unload tonight and have a big run inning tonight…

by stranahanahan on Aug 18, 2008 5:31 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The fatty?

Or the two run inning?

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 5:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes

"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.

by andeux on Aug 18, 2008 5:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol!

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 5:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amen!

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 5:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THE GAME IS IN MN?!

I had no idea.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Aug 18, 2008 5:37 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They got 1 run, there about at their quota for the game, possibly the week

by justarebelheart on Aug 18, 2008 5:47 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's OK - be greedy

"However, at Elias, I think they keep track of the amount of sunflower seeds spit in a dugout each night." - Brad Ziegler, 8/7/08

by doctorK on Aug 18, 2008 5:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why?

1 every 3 innings seems about right…

by stranahanahan on Aug 18, 2008 5:46 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We got our run this game.

Do we need any more? Can’t we just coast from here?

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by louismg on Aug 18, 2008 5:48 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What is wrong with Duke's leg?

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Aug 18, 2008 5:52 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And here comes Stevie.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Aug 18, 2008 5:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And there goes Duke.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Aug 18, 2008 5:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It just fell off.

Crosby went to pick it up and dropped it.

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by louismg on Aug 18, 2008 5:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds like a good time to go home

and pretend this game isn’t happening.

(cries)

"However, at Elias, I think they keep track of the amount of sunflower seeds spit in a dugout each night." - Brad Ziegler, 8/7/08

by doctorK on Aug 18, 2008 5:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

at least he didn't throw it into the stands behind first

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 18, 2008 5:57 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The MetroDome mouse is pleased.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Aug 18, 2008 5:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why oh why do the baseball gods hate the A’s?

by justarebelheart on Aug 18, 2008 5:54 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Saarloos!

Welcome back, buddy!

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by louismg on Aug 18, 2008 5:54 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

duke comes out

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 18, 2008 5:54 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ahhhh hahahahahah

white esurance sign behind home plate..oh so that’s why durham is an absolutely terrible defensive second baseman.. - xbhaskarx

by BigTuna on Aug 18, 2008 5:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uhm.

Why can’t we have nice things?!

by schmifty on Aug 18, 2008 5:54 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey I'm gonna go add you back as a contact on Flickr!

I saw it in my emails today but my work computer blocks Flickr… grrr bastards! Don’t they know I need Flickr to live?!?

by schmifty on Aug 18, 2008 5:58 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously!

Flickr helps me get through the day.

by Kimberly on Aug 18, 2008 6:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Captain Kirk

reporting for duty.

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 5:55 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Give it time.

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 5:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Captins Log, Star Date 2008

We seem to be incountering an injury field.

Lets hit a few homers. Scotty, “We dont have the power.”

by A'sfaninNC on Aug 18, 2008 6:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I need more dylithium crystals captain!

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 6:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Leg-ish area.

Been messing with it since the first.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Aug 18, 2008 5:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ditto!

We are definitely broken right now.

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 6:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

when duke was out earlier this season

it was an arm thing, right? or was it a leg problem, i can’t recall

by NateHST on Aug 18, 2008 5:55 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

arm - bicep

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by Nico on Aug 18, 2008 5:55 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

arm

I see the future. I see cake.

by Blicks on Aug 18, 2008 5:56 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

boo

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Aug 18, 2008 5:56 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fuck this.....

He was my own big reason for still watchign this team….Extremely disappointing on a lot of levels. Oh well….so it goes.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Aug 18, 2008 5:56 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When Duke came out and Kirk came in, Glen/Ray said Dan Meyer had been DFAd...

Bankston, right?

"I'm telling you, I can't wait to put on that white uniform," Gonzalez said. "That will be the prettiest uniform I'll ever see."

by pam5981 on Aug 18, 2008 5:56 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please NO

Neither one of them.

I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production

by Trainman on Aug 18, 2008 5:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Till Sept

there are not than may options left

by A'sfaninNC on Aug 18, 2008 6:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jeff Gray! Our savior!

He has one more arm than Pete Gray, and Pete was pretty good! Jeff Gray!!!!

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by Nico on Aug 18, 2008 6:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you put a dart board 2 feet away from him

and gave him 10 attempts to hit it, 9 of them would miss

I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production

by Trainman on Aug 18, 2008 6:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hopefully its just something minor

and they’re precautionary with Duke, b/c there’s no reason to rush him.

I see the future. I see cake.

by Blicks on Aug 18, 2008 5:56 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is all on Beane...

We all knew Duch was fragile… he had a magical first half… he’ll never be worth as much as he was at the ASB… and Beane kept him around.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 5:58 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

uh, if *we* all knew Duke was fragile, odds are most GMs did, too

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 18, 2008 5:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes... but other GMs were in a position to take the risk for the playoffs.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 6:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure, but not for a huge price

You want to trade him just to trade him? He will be fine, might be next year, but will be fine

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Aug 18, 2008 6:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fine like he is tonight?

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 6:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea, he did something to his leg

Beane should have seen a leg injury coming as a result of too many innings. How bout the 2.5 ERA and whip under 1 in 130 innings? That wont work for you in 09?

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Aug 18, 2008 6:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll bet you a dollar he doesn't sniff that next year...

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 6:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe not exactly...

But he will be great..always has been no matter the innings.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Aug 18, 2008 6:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bet you a dollar you're incredibly irritatingly negative

on the game threads, brenarlo.

I win!

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by Nico on Aug 18, 2008 6:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right... i'm not a happy camper.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 6:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

None of us is - just please don't

take it out, overly, on everyone around you, that’s all.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 18, 2008 6:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gotta side with the old-school prescriptivists on this one

I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball

by JediLeroy on Aug 18, 2008 6:15 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just want to be difficult and don't want to change

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by JediLeroy on Aug 18, 2008 6:18 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I has!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 18, 2008 6:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

None = not one

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 18, 2008 6:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

except for when referring to non-count nouns, like water and air

..in those cases, you just allow your head to explode

I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball

by JediLeroy on Aug 18, 2008 6:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A "non-count noun"?

Would that like the A’s offense?

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by Nico on Aug 18, 2008 6:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no, it more logically means "not any"

We went over this a year ago, and grammar authorities around the internet sided with me…

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Aug 18, 2008 6:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

uh ... other GMs were also probably aware of his peripherals, his likelihood to regress to his mean ...

… his age, his injury history …

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 18, 2008 6:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because there always has to be a rumor... look at the Swisher deal.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 6:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

okay, so based none of us having any information either way, you’re saying a decent deal WAS available?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 18, 2008 6:03 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm saying that his value was the highest it will ever be...

If the return would’ve been an A prospect or a D prospect… it’ll still never he higher.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 6:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And the point is...

He’s better on the team than for a D prospect….you dont think Beane at least listened?

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Aug 18, 2008 6:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He probably did...

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 6:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what if duke had stayed healthy the rest of this season, his value still wouldn’t have been higher this winter than it was in july?
and if a D prospect is all you could get for duke, why trade him at all?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 18, 2008 6:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because Duch isn't a 2.10 ERA pitcher...

There are very very few that are.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 6:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Especially being he became a starter when he was 30.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 6:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fine.....say he is 3.5....

You want to trade even that for a D prospect? Makes no sense.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Aug 18, 2008 6:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and if you know that, maybe other GMs know that? and they definitely know his age, he’s not from the DR.

but even if they didn’t know duke isn’t a 2.10 pitcher, how do you know a 2.10 pitcher after 100 innings is more valuable than a 2.75 pitcher after 180 innings?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 18, 2008 6:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd take the latter.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 6:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dude that's the point

if you’d prefer 2.75 after 180, that’s a reason to let Duke finish the season then trade him.

by ohmangoAs on Aug 18, 2008 6:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If he started 35 times I'd say it's about...

3.50 ERA… 225 IP… 150 Ks or so…

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 6:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How valuable would that be, do you think?

Especially with his control and tendency to not give up a lot of hits and walks?

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by Flashfire on Aug 18, 2008 6:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How do you want me to quantify it?

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 6:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It all depends on who they are...

generally I would say that duch would be worth more than a C or D prospect… but i’ve gotta believe that Beane could’ve got a B or A prospect… but that he didn’t because he wanted 3 A prospects. How do I know that for sure? I don’t. But if Wolf can bring back anything… then teams were willing to pay.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 6:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Duke could still fetch a prospect. If he pitches even decently next year...

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by JediLeroy on Aug 18, 2008 6:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't believe people feel Duke

could only fetch a prospect. He’s not only sporting a 2.50 ERA 3/4 of the way through the season but he had previously established himself as a premier set-up man.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 18, 2008 6:29 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously.

I understand the fascination with stockpiling talent for competitive years, but people want to get anything they can for people who could fetch much more in a better situation. Or at least bring us a good prospect when he walks.

I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball

by JediLeroy on Aug 18, 2008 6:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's not a bad pitcher... he's a good pitcher...

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 6:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok....Fine, pessimistic as it is....still valuable

STILL….you want to trade that for a C or D prospect?

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Aug 18, 2008 6:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, Gallagher missing a start

certainly proves we should have stuck with Harden for health.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 18, 2008 6:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cuz you know what the trade offers were?

I’m sure none of the other GM’s in baseball were worried about his longevitiy and how high his value was……We know more than them all….

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Aug 18, 2008 5:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His value will never be that high...

I’m not saying we get Braun for him… but what we could’ve got then will be the most we’d ever be able to get.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 6:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Which you still dont know was a lot....

Id rather have him on the team that trade him for nothing special.

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Aug 18, 2008 6:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes - believe it or not, sometimes keeping

your good players is a good move. Imagine that!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 18, 2008 6:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As did most GMs.

I see the future. I see cake.

by Blicks on Aug 18, 2008 6:00 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See my comment above.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 6:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

catch 22

you keep a fragile player, he’ll eventually get hurt again and fans will blame you for not selling high (duke).
you trade a fragile player and you won’t get full (perceived) value in return because he’s fragilie, and fans will blame you for not getting enough in return (harden).

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 18, 2008 6:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

although the stupidity of the Harden trade IMO was including Gaudin for that package.

I see the future. I see cake.

by Blicks on Aug 18, 2008 6:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And i'm glad you are not.

"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra

by brenarlo on Aug 18, 2008 6:07 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good One!

Jack!

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 6:08 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Woo! Runs!

"I'm telling you, I can't wait to put on that white uniform," Gonzalez said. "That will be the prettiest uniform I'll ever see."

by pam5981 on Aug 18, 2008 6:09 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Runs are nice!

Me likey, want more!

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 6:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The fatty worked.

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 6:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's gotta be against the rules.

Back-to-back hits? Somebody’s in trouble.

by whiteshoes40 on Aug 18, 2008 6:10 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We're going to need the runs

with Saarloos pitching.

I see the future. I see cake.

by Blicks on Aug 18, 2008 6:11 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if duke goes on the DL

i think i may be done rooting for this team to win games in 2008.
last year we celebrated a meaningless victory in game 162 over the rangers and the a’s lost justin smoak to the rangers as a result.
we won’t be bad enough to get stephen strasburg, but it would be nice to have the #4 pick.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 18, 2008 6:18 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you won't be.

It’s easy to roll over and play dead, but there’s something logically wrong with all of us. We root for Ziggy and for Duke, but we root for the A’s, no matter who they are.

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by louismg on Aug 18, 2008 6:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In down years, I just follow the team less.

I invest myself emotionally into games, and when there’s never any pay out, it’s too hard. I don’t cheer for another team, or stop rooting for them. I just tell myself that it’s okay if they lose. When they start winning again, I cautiously start following every game, and then every inning again.

I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball

by JediLeroy on Aug 18, 2008 6:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're so left brain

or is that right brain?

I know what you mean though.

by Brian in 317 on Aug 18, 2008 6:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're so right, brian

I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball

by JediLeroy on Aug 18, 2008 6:23 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the big problem

is i still want most of the players to do well, and losing 90% of the remaining games would mean most of them were not doing well, and that would be bad for 2009 and beyond.
but it could all work out if embree gives up 10 runs in every game.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 18, 2008 6:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

I’ve actually thought about that. If they can’t win games now, I don’t see how they’ll magically turn it on next year. Bringing guys up will help, but they’ll take time to mature. We’re looking at 2010 instead of 2009 for contention.

I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball

by JediLeroy on Aug 18, 2008 6:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Strained right hip for Duke

According to Yahoo

Bring back Hammer.

by OaktownPower on Aug 18, 2008 6:20 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

duke injury...

yahoo! says that it’s a strained right hip.

by inbillywetrust on Aug 18, 2008 6:20 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is that true?

Damn!

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 6:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Depends how you define that.

Duke would be on the DL and with the team.
Eveland is in AAA and with the organization.
The other three are “gone”.

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by louismg on Aug 18, 2008 6:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry for my imprecision

i just meant not in the active rotation, if duke goes on the dl.

stunning turn of events

by inbillywetrust on Aug 18, 2008 6:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

didn't both duke and gaudin start the season on the DL?

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 18, 2008 6:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

perhaps technically...

but harden, blanton, duke, gaudin and eveland made the first few starts of the year. harden and blanton pitched at least twice before we used the fifth starter.

by inbillywetrust on Aug 18, 2008 6:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was my thinking.

It has to be a DL stay. Why hurt the future if this is what the year is now about?

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by louismg on Aug 18, 2008 6:22 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well,

You have to agree with that thinking. Its all we got.

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 6:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a bummer

why couldn’t it be Hannahan or Crosby instead, if someone has to get hurt.

I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production

by Trainman on Aug 18, 2008 6:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unless its that play

by CarGon

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 6:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fosse doesn't really get priorities at the moment

I can appreciate the thought of having a goal to finish second ahead of Texas, but that won’t help the draft position.

I don’t like the idea of tanking but it’s just not worth trying to win as many games as you can at this point.

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by Flashfire on Aug 18, 2008 6:23 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My hope is that

CarGone will become his official nick.

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 6:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And just imagine how good he is going to be

as he gains experience.

I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production

by Trainman on Aug 18, 2008 6:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TB lead down to 1 run now

5-4 and another pitching change.

Love to see TB sweep these clowns again.

I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production

by Trainman on Aug 18, 2008 6:30 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ssshhh!

You! No tempting the fate!

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 6:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't jinx it!

or do we want a better draft pick? jinx it!

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 18, 2008 6:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I want a win TODAY, damnit.

We’ll lose plenty in the coming weeks, I’m sure.

"I'm telling you, I can't wait to put on that white uniform," Gonzalez said. "That will be the prettiest uniform I'll ever see."

by pam5981 on Aug 18, 2008 6:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes,

I think a high draft pick is ours regardless, let’s win!

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 6:36 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NO WINS FOR YOU

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 18, 2008 6:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where do you find these?

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Aug 18, 2008 6:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are we the George?

of the AL West?

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 6:53 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if we are, this is definitely not “the summer of george”

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 18, 2008 7:10 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For those not watching, the A's game in Baltimore on 9/7 is being moved to 9/6 as part of a doubleheader.

The Ravens are opening on the 7th and there wasn’t a way they could work out playing the game without interfering with the NFL game, I guess the excuse is.

So, doubleheader on 9/6, day off on 9/7.

Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog

by Flashfire on Aug 18, 2008 6:34 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow!

When was the last time we played a doubleheader?

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 6:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In KC. Last year or two years ago.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Aug 18, 2008 6:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

8/19/06

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Aug 18, 2008 6:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lost both games.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Aug 18, 2008 6:54 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do they share the same field?

No.

"If I've got baggage, he's got a whole set of Louis Vuitton." ~ Milton Bradley on Barry Bonds

by UncleLeo on Aug 18, 2008 6:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Okay, when Fosse is talking about trying to see a shot of a loaded hot dog in HD...

…now I can see some of the annoyance people have with him.

Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog

by Flashfire on Aug 18, 2008 6:39 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The man loves his dogs.

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 6:39 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Told ya!

"If I've got baggage, he's got a whole set of Louis Vuitton." ~ Milton Bradley on Barry Bonds

by UncleLeo on Aug 18, 2008 6:40 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Can we get a shot of Mt. Rushmore in HD?"

Okay, he didn’t actually say that.

Yet.

Last of the Ninth - Photography Site / jamesvenes.com - Blog

by Flashfire on Aug 18, 2008 6:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's a homer.

I don’t have a problem with that.

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 6:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, Fosse and Plaschke, two of a kind

I generally bemoan the profusion of Mr Sabermetric Sporks in the Scrabble ranks who don't know the meaning or usage of 50% of the words they use. -monkeyball

by JediLeroy on Aug 18, 2008 6:41 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So tonight’s snack consists of: feta cheese, applesauce, an oreo, and now… pickles.

by schmifty on Aug 18, 2008 6:40 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Umm . . .

That sounds very much like a pregnant woman’s diet.

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 6:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You took the words out of my mouth

by justarebelheart on Aug 18, 2008 6:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For me

it was peanut butter and banana sandwiches.

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 6:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe you just saved her five bucks on a home pregnancy test.

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 18, 2008 6:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

seriously?

"I'm telling you, I can't wait to put on that white uniform," Gonzalez said. "That will be the prettiest uniform I'll ever see."

by pam5981 on Aug 18, 2008 6:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The sandwiches?

or the pregnancy test?

A lot of guys ignore the laugh, and that's about standards.~Dr. Horrible

by lynnzgal on Aug 18, 2008 6:50 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What did I have for dinner tonight....

Roast beef and homemade noodles, garden corn. Had a cookie with my medication just now.

Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows

by Jennifer on Aug 18, 2008 6:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs