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Scouting The Young Starters (Small Sample Edition)

Having had a chance to see all the young A's starters somewhere between 2 and 20 times, here's my official take on the strengths, weaknesses, and levels of potential for the young 'uns we've seen so far...

SEAN GALLAGHER

Don't let his recent woes scare you off, as what you saw was a 22 year old trying to pitch through pain. Gallagher remains one of the A's most exciting young pitchers, with a true "plus fastball" - remember, this is a guy Beane insisted on for months, a guy about whom Cubs fans said, "You're gonna like him," a guy scouts agree has a high ceiling. In other words, those who have seen Gallagher over time like him a lot - that's a good sign.

One thing I notice is that pretty often, Gallagher's fastball is outside (to a righty) from the moment it leaves his hand, misfired as if he is holding onto the ball too long. What I suspect is actually happening is that he is holding the ball too tight instead of releasing it free and easy. I wonder if his control problems would be significantly improved if he just relaxed - which is one of the things 22 year olds have difficulty doing.

I don't like his mechanics, which look like he is heaving the ball with a lot of shoulder - almost as if the windup is cursory and then he gets to the business of throwing the ball with his arm. Ideally, you want a fluid windup in which the legs and core are driving the shoulder and arm.

Smooth out the windup a little and throw a little more "free and easy" and a lot of good can follow. I would also like to see Gallagher throw his changeup more and curve less, as he is prone to hanging the curve and it's the changeup that will make his fastball more devastating anyway.

Conclusion: Expect a #3 but don't be surprised if Gallagher rises to the level of a #2. There's a reason the A's targeted him and wouldn't budge.

GIO GONZALEZ

What I like about Gio is that his curve allows him to throw his 90MPH fastball by hitters. When he backs the curve up with a fastball, hitters are consistently late, giving Gonzalez three "swing through" pitches and explaining how he has chalked up strikeouts at a league-leading rate without a plus-fastball.

Gio's command has not been as poor as I expected; it has just been "come and go." He will show outstanding command for 6-7 hitters and then issue a four-pitch walk, which is actually better than having "just ok command" all the time. Gio's biggest command problems have not been outside the strike zone, however, they have been in the strike zone - Rod Barajas in Toronto, B.J. Upton last night (HR just foul).

The biggest change I would like to see is pitching inside. In two starts and 11 innings, Gonzalez has not backed a single hitter off the plate. To command both sides of the plate, a pitcher needs to be able to hit the inside corner and needs to work off the inside corner - whether that means jamming a hitter on a pitch that gets in on the hands or brushing back hitters who are leaning out over the plate.

Conclusion: Seems like a solid #3 starter in the making. Gio may never have the consistent command that allows him to be a front-end starter with just a 90MPH fastball, but he has a lot of ways to miss bats and if he can learn to cut the occasional fastball, or fold a little slider in on the hands of righties, he could be a very good pitcher overall, the kind who is always a threat to pitch a gem but who will give you only 6 innings and will be prone to the "walk and HR" crooked number. Remind you of anyone?

GREG SMITH

Throughout the minor leagues, Smith threw a lot of strikes; in the major leagues he hasn't. My take is that Smith doesn't feel he has the stuff to go right after major league hitters early in the count and so he has opted for being very fine from the get go in every at bat. This is a mistake but I think Smith and the A's are smart enough to correct it.

What Smith needs to do instead of nibbling is to use his curve more (it's not bad at all) - use it to "steal a strike" early in the count, something Mark Mulder was adept at doing, and use it to prevent hitters from guessing "fastball/changeup". If Smith used "variety of pitch selection" as a weapon, instead of  trying to use "pinpoint location," he could be more aggressive in the strike zone.

Why am I bullish on Smith? Because pitching and hitting, more than anything else, are about the ability to make adjustments and I believe Smith is the type of pitcher - that is, the type of person - who is mature, intelligent, and diligent enough to figure out what he needs to do to regain the upper hand. And he has the stuff to do it, because velocity doesn't tell you how good a fastball is. Hitters are often late on Smith's fastball because his changeup controls bat speed well. Hitters are not late on Embree's fastball because major league hitters will quickly time a 95 MPH fastball - so batters are not early on Embree's fastball but they are not late. All you need to know about Smith's fastball is that hitters are often late on it - that's really all that matters for a pitcher like Smith.

Conclusion: Smith's stuff will prevent him from being a front-end starter, but I think he will make it as a #3-#4 starter. And if he can ever paint the outside corner as well as he currently paints "an inch off the outside corner," then he will be Tom Glavine - and Glavine was pretty damn good.

DANA EVELAND

Eveland's command problems are different, to me, than the command problems of any of the three above. Eveland never really has any idea where a pitch is going, so much so that some of his best pitches - for example, ones that jam hitters right on the hands -  are thrown with Suzuki set up on the outside corner at the knees. Movement is great, stuff is great, but you have to be able to execute most of your pitches most of the time and from what I've seen, Eveland can't.

Sometimes it appears Eveland greatly overthrows, such as when he unleashes run-scoring wild pitches on curves, or when he fires a fastball straight into the ground. Other times, it appears Eveland gets rattled or frustrated and command problems beget command problems. Other times, it appears that the movement on Eveland's pitches is his worst enemy as it is random, and as unpredictable to the pitcher as it is to the hitter, not unlike the knuckleball.

In other words, Eveland seems to lack command for a bunch of different reasons all at once. He is a "thrower," not a "pitcher," and throwers with good stuff are better known as "#5 starters". Sometimes they just go by "Jamey Wright". I'm not sold that Eveland has a future on a team with so many promising young pitchers, each new one more promising than the last. He was 5th on the "depth chart" at the end of spring training; he could be 10th by this time next year.

This is getting too long, so I'll save Braden, Meyer, and others for another day. Your thoughts?

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Im hoping that Gallagher sticks around for a long while for the A's

I think Young and Co. will have him dealing for the A’s next year and him and Duke would be great leaders (Duke the next couple or more and Gallagher 4-5 years) for the young talent that the A’s have on the horizon

by A'sfaninNC on Aug 13, 2008 10:03 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

eveland

his pure stuff might rank among the top of all the starters youve mentioned. but his control and mound presence is very lacking. he might be useful to another team since as you said as expected many pitchers will surpass him in the depth chart soon. he probably is the 6th best prospect in the haren deal and gave 3 good (or lucky) 3 months…maybe it built up some value for a future trade. interesting enough, the dbacks put owings as untouchable in the haren talks and was a ptbnl for dunn…either maybe #5 types, but who’s value is higher at the moment? a case can be made for eveland surprisingly

by Asfan4ever723 on Aug 13, 2008 10:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Gaudin have a similar issue with stuff being better than control and mound presence?

Maybe Eveland’s better suited for the bullpen for a year for him to correct his issues

"To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other." - Jack Handey

by JJ on Aug 13, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Owings vs Eveland

Which one has more value might very well depend on whether you’re an AL or NL team.

"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk

by iglew on Aug 13, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The young left-handed starters the A's have had this year

Eveland, Smith, Gonzalez have seemingly stayed away from going inside on right-handed batters very often. Eveland is the only one who seemed to do it at all, and he wasn’t very successful with it. I wonder if that’s a Suzuki or A’s philosophy thing is for lefties to stay away from righties constantly. Eveland has the hardest fastball of the bunch, so maybe they’re more willing to do with a guy with a plus fastball.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Aug 13, 2008 10:11 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

With just about everything you said. However, you said Gio projects as a #3, and I believe if he lowers the pointless walks that you refered to, that he can be a very strong #2 pitcher. After watching his past two starts, his curveball is absolutely fantastic, very close to Zito’s (during his prime), and like you said, this makes his fastball very effective for averaging around 90 mph. I don’t think Eveland will be back for this team this year, or maybe even ever, unless in a bullpen role, he’s to wild and doesn’t seem or act like a pitcher. Smith has looked great at times, and wild at others, but he’ll be good once he hits the zone. Gallagher has been ok, but injured. His first start with Oakland is what I’m expecting him to turn into. Just imagine, that Gio and Gallagher might end up being #3 and #4’s for this team down the line, showing just how great our pitching prospects are. I can’t wait til mid next year to 2010 and beyone, the future is bright!!!!! Great job Nico!!!!

Go A's!!!

by stephanc101 on Aug 13, 2008 10:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2010 rotation

Cahill
Anderson
Gonzalez
Gallagher
Smith

I’d be happy with this

If any of them falter then you have:

Eveland
Mazzaro
Simmons

by streetisclosedin08 on Aug 13, 2008 10:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd switch Mazzaro and Smith. Not sure what Smith's done that's as impressive as what

Mazzaro’s done this year.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 13, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Done it at the major league level

I would agree with that top 5, except I’d probably switch Gallagher and Gonzalez in terms of “1-5 order” if both are healthy. And I’d put Simmons first on the “next” list.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fun with with MLEs from minorleaguesplits.com

Mazzaro - Combined AA and AAA - 3.42 MLE FIP

Granted his HR/Fly is unsustainably low, and when adjusted for that and for the rest of park and luck he’d probably be in the 4.20-4.40 range*. Smith’s xFIP according to THT is 5.18.

Vince is 21. Greg is 24

  • I’m guessing based on his minor league FIP of 3.13 and minor league “park and luck” adjusted FIP of 3.84.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 13, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

PS I'm crappy with numbers

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 13, 2008 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad you're optimistic about Gallagher. The injury at 22 doesn't bode well

for me, and your take on his mechanics are a worry too.

From your write-up and Blez’s comments, it sounds like Gio and Greg could use a cutter.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 13, 2008 10:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Greg has one and uses it well

It seems like the Gallagher injury was from aborting his delivery when time was called (M. Byrd up, Rangers game). If the A’s are comfortable with him returning tomorrow then presumably it wasn’t a big deal – kind of like Duchscherer’s blip earlier this year which clearly did not prevent him from being successful going forward.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've not noticed that Smith's used the cutter much, and agree with Blez that he doesn't go

inside much to righties (or for that matter to lefties), especially with men on base.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 13, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Agree

I was watching that game at a sports bar and got some strange looks when I started cursing at the TV. I walked out in disgust, knowing full well it would end up costing Gallagher the game. Kill the ump is too strong a phrase, wring his stupid neck is more apt.

by Sal Bandito on Aug 13, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's true - if an ump can't call time before

a pitcher is set to deliver, he should simply not call time. That being said, Gallagher should just have thrown the pitch but I guess instincts take over even if you know what you’re “supposed to do”.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2008 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then Gallagher could have double-clutched,

thrown too late, and started us on our way to falling 20 out instead of 4.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2008 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As usual

I agree with you… violently, ha!

Probably the most violent agreement is on Eveland. Which is kind of a bummer, because I was hoping his success wasn’t really getting lucky on mistakes early in the season though it seemed like it might be. I feel like his early success was getting bad hitters to swing at bad pitches, a lot like Sanchez across the Bay. They throw too damn many balls and eventually that will burn a pitcher.

I also think that Smith’s ceiling is Glavineland. Sounds preposterous kind of… but you can see it in the way he approaches the game. He is a cerebral pitcher and as he learns to command the outside corner he really has the potential to be something very special. He did it fairly well on Campy Jersey Day and it was fun thing to watch with the girl scout troop :)

by jeffro on Aug 13, 2008 10:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

too bad you can't put together

Smith’s head and Eveland’s arm

by OaklandSi on Aug 13, 2008 11:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe borrow Gio's ass for the composite?

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Braden's hair!

"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk

by iglew on Aug 13, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Braden Gets Short Shrift

He did remarkably well in the hitter happy PCL this season. He might be the best of the left-handed quintuplets.

by Sal Bandito on Aug 13, 2008 11:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I highly doubt that, actually

I could see him being a pretty effective middle reliever, but I don’t think his fastball movement/velocity, or his tertiary pitches, are strong enough to manage a righty-heavy lineup.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2008 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a chance.

If this extra velocity that he somehow found actually lets him sit at 91 or so, and he keeps developing his changeup or they let him throw his friggin screwball again I could see him beating out, say, Eveland for a rotation spot next year.

by mikev on Aug 13, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could see him beating out Eveland,

but I can’t see him surpassing Duke/Gallagher/Gio/Smith – so in other words, I see Braden as a 5th starter (which are a dime a dozen) or a decent middle reliever (which is fine).

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My 2010 Rotation:

Cahill
Anderson
Gallagher
Gonzalez
Simmons

With HRod as closer.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Aug 13, 2008 12:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why Simmons over Mazzaro?

Wasn’t Vince the better pitcher this year?

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 13, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes - this year.

Mazzaro followed up two crappy seasons with a breakthrough season. Simmons has always pitched solidly. That doesn’t suggest Mazzaro will continue to excel – but it does suggest Simmons is likely to be “solid but not spectacular” at AAA and “solid but not spectacular” in the major leagues, while Mazzaro could pass him or flame out entirely.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mazzaro has got to pitch well for a longer period of time for me.

Mazzaro’s ERA in Kane County and Stockton were both over 5. Hes really had a breakout season, I think he stole Andrew Bailey’s mojo. Simmons I think has a better chance to be good #3-4 starter than Mazzaro does,

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Aug 13, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The nice thing about that scenario is to ponder

what Street and Smith (cool name combo!) could potentially fetch, in terms of a bat, in the Winter of 2009.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait, do you mean January 2009 or December 2009?

Because if it’s January, I think you’d be lucky to get anything useful for that pair… fair or not (I vote “not”), they are going to have minimal trade value this offseason.

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by PaulThomas on Aug 13, 2008 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

After the 2009 season, if both perform well

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by Nico on Aug 13, 2008 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another nice thing to ponder

is payroll flexibility in 2010. The A’s will be cheap and deep, so they should be able to add via trade and via free agency. I don’t really mind the blowup this season; it’s a big gamble, but it might pay off.

it is not possible to strategize while the ball is coming towards you

by eastcoasta'sfan on Aug 13, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Gio

One thing I really like about him is that he comes out of his delivery ready to field his position. Oh, wait. Peter Gammons and his ilk tell us pitcher isn’t a position (but DH is). Okay, I’ll rephrase it—he’s ready to field his non-position.

Joe Blanton could have kept quite a few men off base by grabbing some of the routine grounders that bounced past him and over second base. I don’t think Gonzalez will have that problem.

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by Monday Fan on Aug 13, 2008 12:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you see Kuo the other day on the final play of the Giants-Dodgers game?

Yikes. I also like that Gio works quickly, though I suspect he’s a bit high strung on the mound and will need to be slowed down on occasion. But it’s a good quality, in contrast to guys like Kevin Appier who appear (with good reason) to wonder if it’s such a good idea to throw the next pitch.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How could you say that?

Gammons and co. are ALWAYS right because they work for ESPN, the worldwide leader in sports. Whatever anyone says on that network is absolute golden truth, and anyone who disagrees is just a nerd playing videogames in his/her mother’s basement.

Aisle seat, please.

My thing about Blanton was always his weight. Is there anything positive to a pitcher (or an athlete) being overweight? I noticed Blanton was often effective into the middle innings until the other team had a big inning. Just wondering, why didn’t the A’s push harder for Blanton to get in shape?

by VORP is too nerdy on Aug 13, 2008 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Part of the problem, as I understand it, is that teams

have surprisingly little control over their players’ regimens – and often the team is as frustrated as anyone that they can only encourage what they would like to insist on. You can choose whom to sign or draft and how much to offer to pay them come contract time, but once the contract is inked…

And nowadays, many players have “personal trainers” whose practices may be in conflict with the team’s philosophies – and many players only remember to stay in shape during their contract year…

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 13, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

also

you can’t pull fat

by chipper1001 on Aug 13, 2008 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great pitching insight Nico

as always. Much appreciated.

Arte didn't get much Home Run Derby. He was dug in too deep or moving too fast. His idea of great R&R was cold rice and a little rat meat.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Aug 13, 2008 3:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks and you're welcome all rolled into one! :-)

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by Nico on Aug 13, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really think Eveland's problems are mental

He has not had anything like the kind of command problems in the minors that he has had in the majors. He really seems to lack confidence in his own abilities—he’s constantly fidgeting, looking uncomfortable, grimacing, and just generally looking like he hates what he’s doing.

The sad part is, I’m not sure that’s fixable. If he doesn’t enjoy his own pitching, there just isn’t that much you can do. If it’s just nerves induced by being at the major league level, maybe they will subside over time.

Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.

by PaulThomas on Aug 13, 2008 4:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Eveland is constantly overthinking everything. His Body Language is horrible. The players on the field see it, too.

by Colorado Fan on Aug 13, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to agree.

I think he comes back and has a great 2009. Hes got above average stuff (ror a lefty), just needs to control it.

"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com

by Syphon on Aug 13, 2008 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It looks as if someone put itching powder in his jersey

He says that that’s just the way he is and it doesn’t mean anything, but I have to say all that fidgeting is distracting and rather disconcerting.

Maybe they should just let him pitch in a tank top. I think it is literally true that he did not throw two consecutive pitches all year without multiple efforts in between to free his arms from the clinging of his sleeves. Annoying as hell.

by Faust on Aug 13, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

heck, they let Jay Witasick pitch in a tube top

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 13, 2008 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

heck, they let Jay Witasick pitch

god only knows why.

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by nevermoor on Aug 13, 2008 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, good times!

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by iglew on Aug 13, 2008 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You were an opposing hitter?

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by Nico on Aug 13, 2008 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bring back the sleeveless tunics!

When the A’s wore their half-assed replicas of the 1968 uniforms earlier this year, Eveland said he loved them. It’s time to dump the hideous black jerseys and bring black the sleeveless tunics for Eveland’s starts. Except this time, get the design and color right. It’s supposed to be kelly green and the design is like a vest, not a 2008 jersey with the sleeves cut off.

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by Monday Fan on Aug 14, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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