Adam Dunn to D'Backs

Doesn't this mean Arizona gets the draft picks

when Dunn leaves for FA? Meaning they could potentially get back, in minor league talent, about what they had to give up?

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by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 11:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Yep.

No idea what Cincy is thinking here.

by mikev on Aug 11, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Except they have to (probably) pay Dunn's remaining salary

AND pay their draft picks’ bonuses.

Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.

by salb918 on Aug 11, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah. I'm living in Walt Jocketty Hell right now!

At least my other team (the A’s) is doing well… Oh wait!

Good thing the Olympics are going on!

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by JJ on Aug 11, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, except minor leaguers are more valuable than draft picks

So it makes sense for Cincinnati.

by thejd44 on Aug 11, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The minor leaguer they gave up is 23 and has an ERA over 5.00 in high A.

I mean, I know that minor league numbers aren’t great, but he’s old for his league AND has bad numbers.

I’m thinking one (or both) of the PTBNL’s are going to be pretty solid guys

by mikev on Aug 11, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

he is a good player

he is coming off TJ surgery. very highly regarded pitching prospect.

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Aug 11, 2008 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was speaking in general terms

That a prospect has more value than the unknown draft pick. I know someone did some work on this. I believe I read about it on The Book’s blog.

by thejd44 on Aug 12, 2008 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd think this depends a lot on how confident you are at your drafting skills vis a vis

your minor league evaluation skills. A’s for example are probably better at the latter.

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 12, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

so quite a few teams must have passed on Dunn

since he had to go through waivers. Apparentlly the D’backs gave up three prospects including a pitcher with the last name Buck.

by OaklandSi on Aug 11, 2008 11:39 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Eight teams.

Astros, Dodgers, Braves, Pirates, Rockies, Giants, Padres, Nationals.

Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.

by salb918 on Aug 11, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rosenthal reports it with weird headline

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8437824/Sources:-D-backs-fail-in-bid-to-land-Reds‘-Dunn

Sources: D-backs fail in bid to land Reds’ Dunn

The Diamondbacks’ have acquire Cincinnati’s Adam Dunn.

Arizona claimed the Reds left fielder on waivers and a deal was consummated before the 48-hour window expired Monday, according to major-league sources.

???

Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.

by salb918 on Aug 11, 2008 11:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Maybe it's just a critique of the deal?

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by oblique on Aug 11, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dallas Buck?

We had the parts to make this guy! Dunn could have been ours!

Enjoy the game

by DCinWC on Aug 11, 2008 11:51 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

lol

"Do you know that the guy really doesn't like baseball all that much?" - J.P. Riccardi

by black beane on Aug 11, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

qotm!

"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."

by ST on Aug 11, 2008 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm just glad no one has said the words "love child" yet...

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by oblique on Aug 11, 2008 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is why is

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by JediLeroy on Aug 11, 2008 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stupid Japanese keyboard

This is why it didn’t happen:

Nobody was willing to give our Dallas Buck a physical…

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by JediLeroy on Aug 11, 2008 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

"The Diamondbacks will now have three of the top five strikeout leaders in the National League. Mark Reynolds is second with 147 and Chris Young is third with 122."

Except Dunn is an All-Star caliber player who can really hit the damn ball. Mark Reynolds is ok, and Chris Young totally sucks at offense. Hard to compare the three since, aside from the Ks, all three are very, very different players. And offensively, Dunn is easily the best of the three.

by thejd44 on Aug 11, 2008 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

but...but...

STRICKOUTS ARE BAD!!!!!!111one

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Aug 11, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

I get Dunn every year for my fantasy squad, 40 dingers 110 RBI, and a ton of K’s.

by Cochran86 on Aug 11, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Strikeouts count against you in my league.

I avoid him like the plague.

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by jeepers on Aug 11, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I recommend changing leagues.

by mikev on Aug 11, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm going to win $300 for the third year running.

I think I’ll keep it. It’s nice to try and find the complete hitters, anyway.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Aug 11, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

don't pick on

people who don’t know any better, that’s not nice ;)

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Aug 11, 2008 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've led the league in fewest Ks all three years

and still won. I also always lead in runs scored, RBI, BA, and OBP. I usually don’t lead in homers, or pitching wins.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Aug 11, 2008 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've lead MLB in fewest Ks for the last decade

So long as you don’t limit to qualifying AB count

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 12, 2008 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

we recently made strikeouts -.5 instead of -1. it really shows you who the truly elite players are. last year, david dejesus scored more points than ryan howard when strikeouts were a value of -1.

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Aug 11, 2008 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yet no-one would take DeJesus over Howard in the real world.

by OldhamA on Aug 11, 2008 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I bet some people would

They’d be silly and would have a bad baseball team, but they’d do it.

by thejd44 on Aug 12, 2008 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

that's why we changed it

it was stupid to be penalized so much for strikeouts. juan pierre was a top 20 player by our old points system because he struck out like 37 times last season. once we saw that, something had to change.

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Aug 12, 2008 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, the 60 stolen bases, 100 runs, and .300 BA had nothing to do with it.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Aug 13, 2008 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

actually it didn't as much as you think

we play head-to-head with a points system. everyone has three opponents per week. batting average means nothing.

single: 1
double: 2
triple: 3
home run: 4
run: 1
rbi: 1
sb: 2
cs: -1
k: -.5
e: -1 (arbitrary to be honest…but people wanted some value on defense. i think we could stand to improve it)

1 point per out
k: 1
ha: -1
er: -1
bb: -1
hbp: -1
w: 10
l: -3
sv: 8
bs: -3
cg: 5
so: 10

positions: c, 1b, 2b, ss, 3b, of, of, of, u, sp, sp, sp, sp, sp, rp, rp

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Aug 13, 2008 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

they should've just kept Quentin

or at least BB should’ve given them a B-list prospect for him before the Haren deal got done.

Imagine the OF right now with 32 HR’s and No E-Mail Pop-up drops in sight.

The Stockton Ports pitching staff is better than the Orioles.

by gdub171 on Aug 11, 2008 12:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

From ESPN article

“Buck got a call from D-backs farm director A.J. Hinch, telling him he had been traded for Dunn. “

That AJ Hinch? Good God

by SamS on Aug 11, 2008 12:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

if Cust is supposedly the "poor mans' Adam Dunn"

(as someone called him last season) then Dunn must be the “rich man’s Jack Cust”

by OaklandSi on Aug 11, 2008 12:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

This sucks

I hope they don’t re-sign him so we can snag him in the off season. If his value is that low he NEEDS to play for us next year.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 11, 2008 12:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

He needs to play..

for the Blue Jays (hi there JP!)...then get DFA’d….then we pick him up! :)

"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."

by ST on Aug 11, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Aug 11, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

i am assuming

that he was had for so cheap because there are less than two months in the season and once claimed off waivers, Cincy was probably hoping for something so they took what they could get….

by stranahanahan on Aug 11, 2008 1:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I bet Dusty is glad to be free of that base-clogger

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by doctorK on Aug 11, 2008 1:56 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs

ughhhhhhh

"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball

by flipgatey3 on Aug 11, 2008 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have admittedly horrible reasons for not wanting the A's

to sign Dunn. A lineup with Cust and Dunn would be a heck of a lot better than the garbage we’re throwing out there now, but it would also be so deadly dull. Strikeout, walk, strikeout, strikeout, walk, HR!!!!, walk, strikeout, strikeout, strikeout, HR!!!!!...

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by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 2:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

In the scenario you describe ...

the A’s would have scored 3 runs with no outs in the top of the third … how can you not get excited about three runs?? (sad but true …)

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by devo on Aug 11, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's why you let the .300/.350/.400 all stars (Sweeney/Zook) hit 1 and 2

then Cust and Dunn have someone on base when they decide a HR would be fun.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 11, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's why I put the "admittedly horrible reason" part

I’d rather have Dunn hit a HR than have Patterson hit a triple and be stranded – yet watching a guy like Patterson leg out a triple is electric in a way that even a HR isn’t.

To me, though, it comes down to wanting a little bit of the variety and the “unknown” – wondering about a possible double-steal, or whether all three guys can score on a one-hopper to the wall, or drawing the 3Bman in, taking off the bunt and slapping it down the left field line, is just more interesting than figuring you’re about to see a walk, a strikeout, or a HR to get the runs you’re going to get.

I’m not talking rational “W/L” stuff here – I’m just talking about the experience of watching the game as a fan.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rule change might be a good idea here

Right now speed-based strategies are exciting, but dumb. How do you make them smart? Change the rules so that speed is more effective. Perhaps a limit on pickoff throws (>1 in an at-bat counts as a ball? Ban slide-step pitching deliveries?) would accomplish this.

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by PaulThomas on Aug 11, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not the worst suggestion in the world...

But i think pickoffs are also exciting…

Ban the BB!!!! HAHAHA!!!

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by brenarlo on Aug 11, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ooh I know - make the balk rule more complicated

and less logical?

Or how about this simple solution: Make the bases 60 feet apart, like softball. “Frank Thomas is running…no throw!”

Seriously, though, you can’t really limit pickoff throws or the runner can practically get a running start – probably the best you could hope to do, without compromising the integrity of the game (e.g., bases suddenly 88 feet apart) is to increase park dimensions so that speed naturally became more valuable and power less so.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep ...

bigger parks more time to run
more time to run speed more valuable, relative to power
speed more valuable more fast players
more fast players + more time to run much more running

BUT

bigger parks cheaper seats
cheaper seats less profits
less profits == non-starter

BUT

As media rights become a larger and larger portion of overall revenue, revenue from ticket sales will become less important than revenue from media rights and that might change …

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Aug 11, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

there should be lots of equals signs in there ...

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Aug 11, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

YOU NEED GRAMMER LOL

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by JediLeroy on Aug 11, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can't argue with that because you admit it's pretty silly

And at least I know you wouldn’t complain about it being a bad move. But I guess I’m the only one who finds working the count and drawing a walk in a 10-pitch at bat exciting. It’s like a chess game to me. There’s a strategy to it that is unique because, while strategic, it’s also reactionary (especially for the hitter).

Aesthetically, I actually prefer the offense of a guy like Dunn to a guy like Ichiro. I know I’m in the minority with that.

by thejd44 on Aug 12, 2008 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

increase that minority by one

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 12, 2008 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ellis for Dunn

I am not too familiar with the post deadline trades. Could a deal of Ellis for Dunn be worked out? I don’t know if other prospects have to be thrown in, but AZ needs a second basemen and the A’s need someone who can hit and prevent me from commiting suicide when we get the bases loaded with no outs.

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on Aug 11, 2008 2:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Trouble is, we'd still either sign Dunn as a FA or lose him (and Ellis)

And we can sign Dunn this off-season, if we want to, without losing Ellis if we don’t want to.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am assuming

that if Dunn is aquired he will enjoy playing for Oakland and will re-sign. Just as I am assuming he will enjoy playing for Az and will re-sign. I would much rather have Dunn than have MaEl.

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on Aug 11, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm assuming that this being Dunn's main opportunity

to cash in big, that he’ll go where the best contract offer is. I don’t see why he’d have any particular loyalty to a team he joined for 6-8 weeks, be it Arizona or Oakland.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Makes sense.

If I were Dunn I would sign with the team that is most competetive on the field and with the pocket book. D’Backs could go deep into the playoffs with the front end of their pitching staff. If I had to put odds on where Dunn will sign it would look like this:
50% with AZ 35% with Yanks 15% A team other than the A’s.. wait thats Teixera

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on Aug 11, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think he'll go with the city that has the best schools

Wait, that’s Hampton!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know that a team like the Yankees wants him

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 11, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nico

gave me the Odds of Tex signing with the A’s. So, I gave him those stats right back. T’was a joke.

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on Aug 11, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Heh

fair enough.

I think his SuperCust style numbers are the reason he could be a good value (and the reason the Yankees might not want him).

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 11, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

I would love to have him in the lineup. As long as he is signed at an affordable rate.

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on Aug 11, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Unless the D'Backs lock him up now

Have there been any “We’ll see how it goes and talk contract later” quotes?

I’d be a little crushed if we don’t even get a shot at him.

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 11, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Has Beane or anyone in the organization ever said they want him...

I mean it goes without saying that you want great hitters, but have they even hinted they may go after him should he become available?

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by brenarlo on Aug 11, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, but by acquiring, playing, and liking Jack Cust

it stands to reason they’d like a far better version of Jack Cust. What they’d be willing to pay is another question – Cust is still dirt cheap.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right

There isn’t a “Beane covet” out there that I’m aware of. I think he’s undervalued (heck, the Reds were forced to cut him) and very good.

It only takes two teams to make his contract expensive, but he’s my horse (as opposed to other AN favorites like Burrell)

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 11, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mine's Glaus

It would also be “a surprisingly spry Furcal” but you can only have one horse. At least at the pickup joints I frequent.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why not LaRoche?

(yes, I know, “still???”)

But really, the Pirates seem to be a much more willing team to deal than LA, and with all the rumors about Jack Wilson being dealt, maybe they would be enticed by a Street/Crosby type of deal for Laroche and somebody else?

by mikev on Aug 11, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have no negatives about LaRoche

(other than to note that he hasn’t been great in his major league cups of coffee), but he’s not a free agent and I was talking about FAs. I wonder what we would have to give in order to get LaRoche from Pittsburgh.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Josh Fields?

Eveland rocks! Eveland rocks! Somewhere Drew Carey just smiled.

by miggyk2 on Aug 11, 2008 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sure, I'll give them Josh Fields for LaRoche

Heck, he’s not even ours!

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Glaus is not a free agent...

I don’t know where this idea that Glaus is a free agent next year came from, but regardless, it’s wrong. He’s under contract through next season.

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by PaulThomas on Aug 11, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

He has a player option - he can declare free agency

if he wants to. (The player option is for 11.5 million for 2009.) If a team, like the A’s, is willing to offer a 4 year deal at around what he’s making now it should appeal to him since he is an injury risk, as well as theoretically a risk to decline, as he gets older.

If he stays but gets hurt for STL in 2009, or has a lousy year for them in 2009, he’ll wish he declared free agency. If I were Glaus, I’d certainly declare and make STL bid with others to offer him a 3-4 year deal.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

A 4-year deal????

At around what he’s making now?? (So, 4/46?)

For a 32-year-old with old player skills, a shaky health history, and limited and declining defensive abilities?

Glaus’s offense is nice enough, but really, it’s not all that impressive. Granted, when you’ve been watching the A’s lineup night after futile night he might look like the reincarnation of God Almighty, but that relative value shouldn’t blind you to the fact that he’s a very good but not great hitter.

I like your idea of combining the DH and backup 3B roles; it fits the A’s needs nicely. But the deal you suggest has every chance of adding to Beane’s record of crappy big-dollar deals – with the exception (from some of them) that this deal wouldn’t look good even at the time it’s signed.

by Faust on Aug 11, 2008 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know - his career OPS is .858

and this year’s is .857 – if you figure that’s about where he can produce, it looks pretty good to me. He also leads the NL in fielding pct among 3Bmen, though that doesn’t speak to range, just lack of E’s.

But I figure if he DHs, he should be able to stay healthy and if he plays 3B then he has saved you at that position because it means Chavy couldn’t – and the A’s options there are nil and ich.

3 years, 12 million? I’d do it – but that probably explains why I’m not the GM.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

.858 is indeed "pretty good"

But that’s all it is, a very large distant from “great”, and not worth $12 million per, not even taking into consideration the severe unlikelihood that he’ll be OPSing .858 over the course of the deal.

If you can talk him into a 2-year deal, then I’m on board. I don’t see it happening.

I’m talking off the top of my head, always dangerous. If devo or PT or someone takes the time to calc the MORP and prove me wrong, I’ll stand corrected (and surprised).

by Faust on Aug 11, 2008 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I doubt you're wrong

I just look at a lineup with Glaus #4 and can suddenly see the team being successful – that’s worth a fair amount to me. Same is true of Burrell; I just like the insurance at 3B until I see “the next 3Bman” in Oakland.

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by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Based on MORP ...

Troy Glaus would be worth ~$27.7m this year. Of course, actual salaries are substantially lower because they factor in risk, multi-year security, etc.

BP also thinks his defense is very good. If you lower it to being merely average, his MORP drops $3.5m.

I ran a quick Marcel and it does not see his production falling off much over the next few years. It does, however, see his playing time falling off fairly significantly.

Glaus is a good player and could be a very good buy on a short-ish, 2-3 year contract. How good depends, largely, on what you think of his defense and how good it will be going forward - as such, if you see him as a DH, his marginal value pretty much goes away, as this season would only be worth about $16.5m - which in a healthy season, when you are likely seeing max level production for this point in his career, is not a great return on the risk of a multi-year contract.

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by devo on Aug 11, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for that

Interesting, and better than I expected, even at the bottom end.

by Faust on Aug 12, 2008 3:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not really conviced that being coveted by Beane

equates to a being a successful hitter. Durazo & Keilty were the last 2 that come to mind…yawn

by GusanoQuemador on Aug 11, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Durazo had a legitimately awesome season for us

And then he got hurt.

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by nevermoor on Aug 11, 2008 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

yup

"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback

by devo on Aug 11, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dunn is a better player

But he’s not $10 million better. If you’re choosing between the two, it’s probably smarter to stick with Cust based on cost alone. Plus, I think Cust might actually be a better defensive player. Maybe. Not that it’s saying much.

by thejd44 on Aug 12, 2008 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I haven't looked at the numbers ...

... but the handful of times I’ve seen Dunn field, it’s been comedic. Seriously: he looks like Will Ferrell flailing around in his underwear in the outfield.

Cust genuinely tries, and at least has a general idea of what an outfielder is supposed to do.

That said, I still want Beane to sign Dunn. He could even play LF … occasionally.

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 12, 2008 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

If we sign him, I think he's the DH and Cust is in the OF

Esp. because Cust seems to hit better when he plays the field.

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by nevermoor on Aug 12, 2008 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cust might be better more

“valuable” than Dunn in terms of marginal wins per dollar, but at some point, you’re going to have to take into account absolute wins, instead of relative wins, when constructing your roster.

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by rfloh on Aug 13, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nope ... not really ...

in order to trade him to us, he would have to pass through waivers at least to us, meaning 18 other teams (as of 5:13 pm, 8/11) would have to pass on him first.

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by devo on Aug 11, 2008 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

... but we could still get Strasburg!

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 12, 2008 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

curiosity

mildly off the original topic, but not enough to really warrant its own fanpost. When the red sox claimed giles from san diego, and giles blocked a trade, why didn’t san diego just give up on trying to trade him and let him go through waivers to save the money?

Jeremy was safe. He jumped over the tag.

by mrrickyg on Aug 13, 2008 8:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I believe he had a no-trade clause

Which basically means if you didn’t major in waiver rules in college, you have absolutely no chance at knowing what the hell happens if a player has a NTC.

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by vignette17 on Aug 14, 2008 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

It was between that and Humanities -

clearly I made the wrong choice.

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by Nico on Aug 14, 2008 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs