Wrap: Game 117 - Tigers 6, A's 1
Greg Smith now has a cumulative 2008 record of 5-11. I would venture to say that, in general, he probably deserves at least 3 more wins and 3 fewer losses. However, he certainly deserves being hung with the loss for today's game. Greg just couldn't find the strikezone consistently, or really, at all today en route to regressing quite a bit from his recent progress, only lasting a little over 4 innings after having walked SEVEN batters. It was a minor miracle he only gave up 1 run after all of that. Huston Street, now-relegated to mop-up duty, certainly deserves a loss of his own for making a bad situation worse, giving up 3 runs on 3 hits and 2 walks in his only inning of work. So between the first two pitchers the A's brought into the game, the Tigers walked a total of 9 times and scored 4 times in just over 5 innings. And, by that point, if you had just then turned off the TV in disgust and believed that the game was all but over, you would just saved yourself a whole bunch of time, because it was over.
The A's offense...what else can be said? Once again, the feeble lineup made a terrible pitcher look absolutely dominant. Even though Ellis came through with an RBI single in the 8th after Hannahan had led off the inning with a double, it was waaaaay too little too late and Ellis looked bad in every other at-bat of the day (as did most everybody else - so the unicorn man shouldn't feel too special). Even the A's normally-strong defense took a siesta for the afternoon, as Crosby and Blevins committed back-to-back throwing errors on the SAME PLAY in the 8th (allowing two runs to score on a double that Emil Brown had already misplayed fairly horribly).
The guys on the radio noted that the A's "look defeated" and could be seen in the dugout "hanging their heads". Well, yeah, that's what's to be expected when a team can't really do anything right for a long enough period of time to win more than one game a week and thus end up on the wrong end of a disastrous road trip that was the organization's worst since sometime in the early Reagan administration. Vince and Korach then speculated that, with an off-day tomorrow, the time is ripe for wholesale changes to give this team a shot-in-the-arm for the upcoming (potentially even more brutal) home stand against the Rays and Pale Sox. While I agree wholesale changes should be made if they could, what else can really be done?
- Demote your struggling closer to mop-up duty while he figures his problems out? Check.
- Give more high-leverage innings to rookie relief pitchers? Check.
- Option ineffective starters to Triple-A? Check.
- Get Frank healthy and productive in the lineup? Check.
At what point do you just realize that the current 40-man roster is just bereft of any possible combination of players that might make this team even a mediocre squad...Barry Bonds anybody? He might make this team more entertaining to watch for the next few weeks...
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I cant even think of anything good to say so i am going to just sit here and be quite
by A'sfaninNC on Aug 10, 2008 1:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Quite what? n/t
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Aug 10, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I'll say is if there was little reason to bring Bonds in earlier, there's even less of one now
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by Flashfire on Aug 10, 2008 1:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn't football season starting soon?
and I don’t like football
I think I just bought a scalped ticket for a seat covered by a tarp
by OptimistPrime on Aug 10, 2008 1:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Bonds??
Why even waster the time/money? The rest of this season should be about getting young players some major league action.
We were never a real threat to challenge for the division or Wild card this year anyhow.
Lets just hopes Embree, Crosby, and Huston have “decent showings” the rest of the year so they become tradable in the offseason.
by HRH on Aug 10, 2008 1:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
i didn't even know it was on
and i’m glad
A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05
by xbhaskarx on Aug 10, 2008 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ed:
deserves 3 more wins and 3 fewer losses.
why agonize about baseball when i can agonize about grammar?
by oakinboston on Aug 10, 2008 1:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
A’s Fan for 35+ years.
Sorry I can’t stand to watch this. Bought the tv package just to watch the A’s.
Let Billy know I won’t pay to watch this next year. Spend some money – let’s get some offence in here and some veteran pitchers that these youngsters can learn from.
Look out- here comes Seattle!!
by theswinginas on Aug 10, 2008 1:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What didnt you get when Beane said he
was going to rebuild full bore?
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, like me
he probably thought Beane meant full boar. I was really hoping for some toughness out of the offense and thinking, full boar! Let’s rock!
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by DMOAS on Aug 10, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we would all be quite happy if the rebuilding that is going on
had gotten a head start by drafting in the infield department at 3rd and SS, like about 4 years ago.
Then we could happily watch this team suck knowing it was going to be so much better next year instead of 2010.
IMO, I think we will have a great team in 2010. We just have to endure more crap in trhe meantime.
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
by Trainman on Aug 10, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beane will most likely make a trade or two in the
off season. So theres still hope he cant get the players on offense, Plus we got alot of money freed up to maybe sign someone.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There you go again
telling people they “don’t get it.” You should really scrub that phrase from your vocabulary.
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well when Beane says he going to rebuild
whats not to get? I mean its pretty straight forward.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
God, I hope you're not a teacher.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please atleast try and explain to me why
when Beane says hes gonna rebuild we shouldnt believe him.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's irrelevant.
It’s completely unnecessary to tell people they “don’t get it,” ever.
"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico
by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were are not talking etiquette here.
Fact is we are rebuilding. Some people here refuse to accept that fact.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're ignoring etiquette to present your facts
and that’s very unfortunate.
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus the facts include that the current team
is impotent, dull, and promising to move – you can’t see why Oakland fans might be frustrated?
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are multiple ways to rebuild fully,
and not all of them involve tanking so severely but also not yet filling the biggest holes even at the level below or the level below that. Get it?
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think I ever suggested the team is Tanking.
All Im saying is people shouldnt have gotten their hopes up of use being 8-9 games over 500 all year.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That has nothing to do with most people's complaints
The complaints I’m hearing are “where’s the next 3Bman/SS/power hitter” and “this team fields too many players who won’t be part of the future”.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I think Beane is gonna give Chavez one more shot at 3rd
if his shoulder reacts well to the surgery. Our next SS is Pennington. As far as power hitters… Carter is too far away. But Doolittle and Cunningham are close. Beane might even jump into FA pool for power so we cant really judge that until next year.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still not ready to question the rebuilding
simply because I think you have to wait at least until March, 2009 to see what happens between now and then. If the 2009 team is not competitive like the 1999 team, then I think it’s fair to say the A’s aren’t really rebuilding “super fast / ahead of the curve” – but if 2009 is competitive and the years beyond look ever better, then I’m plenty good with it.
If Beane goes out and, through trade and/or FA moves, just puts the team in position to compete for the Wild Card in 2009 without losing his most valuable pieces, then I’m on board. If not, I think the criticisms are fair enough.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think be too much better than 500 next year.
Cahill and Anderson prob won be up untill mid 2009. Im more focused on 2010.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right, but
imagine the A’s trading for LaRoche and signing Furcal, or signing Glaus and Furcal, and having Chavez back at 3B (I know many are skeptical, but we’ll just see). Just check out this lineup for a sec, which money can buy:
Sweeney/Cunningham – RF
Furcal – SS
Cust – LF
Glaus – DH
Chavez – 3B
Gonzalez – CF
Suzuki – C
Barton – 1B
Ellis – 2B
Duke, along with up-and-comers Gallagher, Smith, and Gio, anchor a rotation with Devine closing, and Ziggy and Blevins in high-leverage relief backed by Street and Casilla.
That would not be too bad at all.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesnt seem too bad but.. not sure its a Wild Card team.
Would you think Beane would give another SS with a bad back top FA money? Glaus is also a injury risk. So they would have to be cheap deals.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id rather go after Burrell and JJ Hardy.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing about Hardy is you'll have to give up
real value. It might be hard to protect Cahill and Anderson, Blevins and Ziggy, Suzuki and Gio, in a trade for an established starting SS.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends.. if we could move Street to Mil for HArdy
would you do it?
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but Milwaukee wouldn't -
They were bearish on Street BEFORE his last 3-4 outings, which have been progressively worse. Brewers scouts have checked him out and said “NO!” and that report is probably going to stick.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
But personally I still think Street is hurt.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be, but if so then you're
trading someone who’s been injured two seasons in a row for a starting SS. Milwaukee’s not going to do that.
Why should they, when they could ask for Trevor Cahill or Gio Gonzalez, Joey Devine or Henry Rodriguez?
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course I'd move Street for Hardy. Milwaukee won't, though.
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by Flashfire on Aug 10, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would have to sweeten the deal a bit
but we could afford to with our system.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, so let's say they come back with,
“We want either Cahill or Anderson, or we want Gio Gonzalez and Joey Devine, in any deal.” Your reply?
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hang up.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There you go -
That’s why as much as I would LOVE to replace Crosby with Hardy, I don’t think it’s the way to go.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well maybe Street/Pennington/Hrod
would get it done.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I don't think they want Street
They’d more likely want Devine.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that money can or should buy both those guys
And they’re also both big injury risks. But I wouldn’t object to signing either of them, as they’re pretty obviously big upgrades, and don’t have the downside of signing an OF/DH type slugger who makes some of the talent in the system redundant.
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by mikeA on Aug 10, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Glaus is a big injury risk
if he DHs?
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but if we sign him it should be to play 3rd
with DH a pleasant backup plan if Chavez can do it. If we’re signing him as a DH, I’d rather spend more on a better DH.
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by mikeA on Aug 10, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? I kind of like the idea
of signing a DH who is an insurance policy at 3B for Chavez. Who the “better DH” you’d target? I’m asking because I think Glaus is pretty damn good (and not yet declining).
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a bad idea
but I would ideally like a big FA splash to have some defensive value at a position of need (which Glaus does.)
But better (maybe) DHs:
Manny
Burrell (not really better, but he’s younger and doesn’t get injured, which Glaus still could at DH.)
Dunn
Giambi & Thome: They are better now (or about the same) and will get shorter contracts than Glaus (and we probably don’t want any part of the final years of a Glaus contract.) On the other hand, Glaus does have the RH and “can play 3B” going for him, so that’s a bit of a tossup.
After writing this comment, though, I see where you’re coming from with Glaus as DH/maybe 3B. So notwithstanding the above, I’ll jump on the “sign Glaus” train, which would at least I think be a whole lot better than doing nothing.
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by mikeA on Aug 10, 2008 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be very interested in Giambi,
with Barton relegated to AAA for a year, especially if the A’s really think Chavez will be able to play 3B.
My concern with Burrell, Manny, Dunn is that they aren’t good defensive players and if they’re in the field then Sweeney or Cunningham isn’t. That being said, I’d love to have any one of them in the lineup and (somewhat irrationally) would say SURE! to any one of them. But I’d rather have Glaus of the four, given his age, credentials, and the position he plays.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I think all moves should be made assuming Chavez won’t be at 3B. Glaus is more valuable than most of those guys (t,o the A’s at least), but if he’s playing a lot of 3B it gets back to the injury issue.
I like the “sign Giambi, Barton to AAA for a year” idea a lot (where perhaps Barton could learn 3B.)
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by mikeA on Aug 10, 2008 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the nice thing about signing Glaus
is that if Chavez can play 3B you now have three power hitters (Glaus – DH, Chavez – 3B, Cust -LF) plus Gonzalez and maybe Cunningham providing some power, but if Chavy has to play 1B you’re still set, and if he has to DH you’re still set. Most of that is still true if you also sign Giambi, which I’m jiggy with.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh the other thing:
Even if Chavez comes back at 3B next y year, there’s no way he plays 150 games at 3B. I’d rather see Glaus there for 40 games than Hann than Hanna than Ha ... I can’t even get myself to say it.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's why it would be better to get a "real" 3B,
but there are none available in FA, so maybe Glaus… I wouldn’t really count on Chavez for anything. His future 3B prospects seem pretty dim, and he really doesn’t figure to help the team much at 1B or DH. He would help this current team, but not a potentially good team.
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by mikeA on Aug 10, 2008 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be open (as I wrote a couple weeks ago)
to going into 2009 figuring Chavez would be a 1Bman and then assess as the season goes on. Glaus at 3B and Chavez at 1B, with Cust at DH and an OF of Sweeney, Cunningham, and Gonzalez, is pretty solid offensively and defensively.
This gives you a year to assess what Chavez can and can’t do with the bat and glove, gives Barton a year to “get it together” in AAA, and so on.
The other team I would really target is San Diego. Between Headley and Kouzmanoff, one is probably available, and for the A’s Headley would be a great long-term solution while Kouzmanoff would be obtainable pretty cheaply, talentwise.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The nice part about signing them
is that it fits better with a rebuilding strategy anyway. You’re giving up nothing in prospects, blocking nobody’s development (if you pick the right spots), and with the A’s payroll and service time situation what it is, doing no financial damage to the team in the long term.
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would just love to have a true masher,
like Glaus, anchoring the lineup for the next few years. Then the A’s, in other transactions, can focus on adding speed, defense at 3B/SS, etc. The fact that Glaus is right-handed, and that Cust, Chavez, and Gonzalez are all lefty, is an added bonus.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to have one, too.
As far as that goes, I’d like to the see the A’s in on Mark Teixeira. At the worst, it’s just going to drive up his price tag for the Angels.
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Realistically, though,
the Angels and Yankees are probably going to be in a bidding war with a Scott Boras client. Whomever sign him will cripple their payroll for any other moves – and while LAA and NYY can afford to do this to some extent, Oakland can’t. Teixeira is going to get way overpaid with this next contract.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how it would cripple the A's.
Let’s say the A’s sign him to a 6 year, $120M deal. That bumps up the A’s payroll for next year to $62M, some $18M less than it was two years ago—well within their comfort zone. There aren’t a lot of other guys we’re going to need to pay in the next few years, and Tex’s contract could always be insured in case injury strikes.
I’m not convinced a contract that size is beyond the A’s means at this point.
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would probably take that contract for Tex
but I think he’ll get a good bit more money and more years. The numbers you give are less than Soriano/Carlos Lee got by a good ways, and Tex is clearly better than those guys.
I’m all for “signing an elite player to a giant contract” as a strategy for the A’s, but I don’t think Tex is they guy.
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by mikeA on Aug 10, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might cost more.
Soriano got more years and less money (8/145), Lee got just plain less (6/100). I agree he’s better than both of them, though.
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thing is, he isn't worth that money
So for six years, you’re overpaying at a level that will have to be felt somewhere. I’d pay that for an A-Rod but not for a Teixeira.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we worry about free agents being worth the money
we’re never going to sign one, because they almost never are, and usually when they are, it’s by accident, or because they’re damaged goods. There’s no reason the A’s can’t overpay one, and offset the difference with the wonderful abundance of cheap talent they have in the pipeline.
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but there's overpaying
and there’s overpaying. The Lozaia contract, even if it didn’t work out all that well, also didn’t cripple payroll much. Tying up $120+million into a “very good” but not superstar player means that when it comes time to talk contract extension with guys like Carlos Gonzalez…?
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so.
Not one $120M deal. If the A’s signed more than one deal like that, they’d probably be crippled. But the reality is that they’ve now cut their payroll from its all-time high by nearly 50%. That’s a lot of wiggle room.
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know - $20mil/year
is between 1/3 and 1/4 of the team’s entire payroll prior to the rebuilding. I can’t see that not impacting money somewhere, be it future FAs, overseas scouting, etc.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of that, though, is
they’ve gotten rid of a bunch of arby-year guys, and currently have 19-20 guys making the minimum, which can’t possibly be sustained without tanking.
A big chunk of the all-time high payrolls in 06 and 07 were late-arby guys. Keeping a lot of the good young players in years 3-6 will cost a fair amount of money, which a big FA contract would potentially cut into.
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by mikeA on Aug 10, 2008 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right but I'm afraid that most
“big time” FA’s are going to want more hitters in the lineup especially before and after their hitting position for protection. The A’s can’t offer that right now.
Looking forward to Spring Training and the hope of another World Series title.
by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 10, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the time of the Haren/Swisher trades
it was quite a stretch think that the rebuild was aimed to start in 2009, since most of the top players from those trades, except for the Gonzalezes (as rookies or thereabouts) figured to even make the team, let alone help it be competitive.
That said, with the payroll what it is, it makes sense to make a big splash for a FA this offseason regardless of what they think the ‘09 chances are.
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by mikeA on Aug 10, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And "Spend/throw some money on/at the franchise, Lew!"
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by Flashfire on Aug 10, 2008 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The complaints syphon is hearing are
Spend some money – let’s get some offence in here and some veteran pitchers that these youngsters can learn from.
I’m not particularly optimistic about the near future, for the reasons you mention, but I’m not sure that’s really “most people’s” complaints, among people who are noted complainers…
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by mikeA on Aug 10, 2008 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll telly Billy!
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by mikeA on Aug 10, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greg Smith & Dana Eveland need to be shut down for the rest of year already…
I don’t like Barry Bonds the person but I did want him signed before the year began if we were going to make any sort of run.
Now to me makes no sense, unless you’re trying to attact casual fans to the stadium.
I say bring up more young guys and get some PT in here now.
Get rid of Embree, Brown, etc… let the young guys play
by BillMoresi on Aug 10, 2008 2:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shutting them down will not help them for the future.
So if you want the same crap next year let them work out their growing pains. And more importantly get innings under their belt.
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by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to see the following players DFAed tomorrow:
Hannahan
Brown
Embree
Other suggestions are welcome, too. I was under the impression that Huston can’t be sent to Sacramento, but I think I was mistaken, in which case he should get back in shape while not costing the big league team wins. This really needs to happen. if the players in the clubhouse don’t think that 3-19 should cost people jobs, they should.
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 2:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
street *can* be sent down to sacramento
but i doubt he will be.
if he gets knocked around in AAA that would really kill his trade value.
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by xbhaskarx on Aug 10, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ship's sailed on his trade value.
He has none, and he won’t have any until he starts getting big league hitters out again.
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree there - his trade value is
only his ability to pitch well in the major leagues at some future date. For right now, whatever gets him there is fine. Look at Cliff Lee, sent to the minors last season because he was so ineffective (and as it turns out, injured). His trade value is probably a bit better today.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huston Street for Cliff Lee straight up!
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by Elvez on Aug 10, 2008 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Street excuses
Since everytime Street gets hit he has a excuse ready. So here are his top 5 excuses for today.
5. The rain bothered me
4. Not a save situation so not sure how to pitch when team is behind
3. Trade rumors is still bothering me
2. I messed up so they will put me back into closer role
1. Oh well it just another game we would have lost anyway
by Arcman on Aug 10, 2008 2:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What excuses would those be?
If he’s used excuses before, I haven’t heard them.
One thing I give him credit for is being honest about his struggles, but he’s also kept the proper attitude of “I have to forget about it and be ready for the next game.”
What excuses have you heard? I’d be interested to see them because maybe I’ve missed something.
Or, are you just projecting?
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by Flashfire on Aug 10, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never heard Street make excuses
What I have heard is that after a crushing blown save, he still had the integrity to call into Extra Innings and talk baseball.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good excuse today
Good pitches falling in. Once maybe but not 3 times and walking 2. That was a lame excuse by street. Street is injuried by the way he is pitching. He threw the same pitch over and over. How many fastballs did you see him throw?
by Arcman on Aug 10, 2008 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Street excuses
I guess you didn’t read where he is upset about losing the closer job. After the last melt down a few days ago he said its just another game. If you watched him today he threw 1 pitch and that was mainly it. Slider, slider,slider. Even the scouts have been quoted that his fast ball is gone. I have a feeling he has a arm injury by watching him pitch. He can’t throw the changeup which was his our pitch. Maybe he is just to stubborn to go on the DL or it could be from worried about a contract next year and doesn’t want to go under the knife. You don’t lose it that fast without a injury. Maybe he is worried if he is injured the A’s will release him.
by Arcman on Aug 10, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would expect him to be unhappy about losing the closer job
I still haven’t seen you produce anything close to the examples you gave, so I’m going to assume you’re just making things up at this point.
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by Flashfire on Aug 10, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
todays excuse
“I am sick of watching good pitches fall in.” I saw some bad pitches over the plate get hit myself Mr Street. Now if that is not a lame excuse then what is. Street is telling you from his quotes today that there is nothing wrong with him its just the hitters are extremely lucky to be getting 3 hits and 2 walks off him in 1 inning. So last of the ninth I guess YOU were proven a excuse was given by Street. So you are making things up about how he is pitching great. Sorry James but YOU made a mistake.
by Arcman on Aug 10, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you need to pay more attention and stop putting words in my mouth
I have not said he’s pitching great. Haven’t come close.
You’re still far away from the ridiculous examples YOU made up.
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by Flashfire on Aug 10, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you read it at all or just post?
The top 5 excuses were made up. Duhhh. It was a post to how he lately has a excuse after the game like how after todays game he said his pitches improved but he is tired of them falling in. I watched the game and his pitches did not improve. He threw the same pitch over and over. He walked 2 batters. That is not a improvement. He is not the same pitcher last year. I guess I am used to a pitcher like Eck who when he blew a save he would say I sucked out there. Not say oh well tomorrow is another day which is exactly what Street has said a few times to the press this year.
by Arcman on Aug 10, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blah blah blah blah blah
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by Flashfire on Aug 10, 2008 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say that
the wholesale changes that might take place should happen in the coaching department. We do have a hitting coach, don’t we? I think that there is nearly no hitter in the last two years that is hitting up to his potential. Of course this is unmeasurable, but I think that the first head that should roll is Mr. VanSuckleo. The “system” just isn’t working.
by d. on Aug 10, 2008 2:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Van Burkleo is the problem.
Our offense has sucked for years, and every time we fire the hitting coach, it doesn’t make a difference. A’s hitting coaches are like the drummer in Spinal Tap. He has lasted longer than usual, though, and Beane is fond of firing them when at his wit’s end, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens. Maybe Hatteberg is looking for a job…
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it comes down to
what a hitting coach can actually accomplish. How much of hitting is simply based on talent, and how much is coachable. When the entire team is striking out a lot, not getting solid at bats one after the other, making stupid baserunning mistakes, I tend to blame the system implemented by the coaching staff for making the offense even worse.
by d. on Aug 10, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know.
Historically, the A’s haven’t cared at all about who they hire to coach, though. I honestly have no idea how much it matters.
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as we're trotting out a lineup as pathetic as the one
we’re putting out there, how can you even assess the hitting coach’s abilities or blame him for the offfense’s failures? Because he can’t convince Jack Hannahan to hit well? My hunch is that if we fire Ty van Burkeleo, our lineup will still suck and won’t hit very well. Whereas if we get some, you know, good hitters, van Burkeleo will suddenly “start coaching a lot better.”
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably so.
I’m certainly not in the “fire Van Burkleo now!” camp. I think there are several players who should be fired first.
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be looked at in terms of reasonable expectations:
Exceeding:
Sweeney
Suzuki
Crosby
Meeting:
Patrol Craft
Cust
Brown
Frank
Not meeting:
Barton
Ellis
Hannahan
Buck
Murphy
Bad overall, so TVB could be blamed for that if one was so inclined, which I am not…
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by mikeA on Aug 10, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many good hitters do you think the team has?
In other words, how many would be that much better under another hitting coach?
How much of it is potential vs. lack of ability?
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by Flashfire on Aug 10, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's really difficult to say...
Impossible (is it?) to quantify.
by d. on Aug 10, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you seem sure they'd be better with a different hitting coach.
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by Flashfire on Aug 10, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you actually know
what makes a hitting coach good? What they do to help hitters, how one is effective or ineffective? All you can do is observe the results on the field. What you can’t do is predict how they would have hit without the help or otherwise of said coach. I do feel that roughly this same group of guys was hitting better, clutchier, and striking out less earlier in the season. Ty has no proven track record on the major league level. If I were in charge, I would be willing to give someone else a try.
The hitting coach from Sacramento?
by d. on Aug 10, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My gut instinct is a hitting coach doesn't have that big an effect on a team.
Stick Van Burkleo in Boston or Texas and they’d still be a team full of solid hitters, for example. Part of the problem is the ballpark. Not the whole problem, but it’s definitely a factor.
More than anything else, I believe the hitting coach is a lot like the pitching coach in working on some mechanics and going over the tendencies of opponents based on scouting reports. From there it’s up to the player to succeed or fail.
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by Flashfire on Aug 10, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thought is a few would do better but there are some that are just not worth it.
There are examples where Van Burkleo’s knowledge and scouting has helped, such as when Brown hit the walk-off homer against Seattle and immediately said VB told him what to expect, and lately it looks like some things have helped a little more with Crosby again, but Crosby always seems to go back to moving off the plate before long and things don’t stick.
There have been cases in the past where someone who struggled up here suddenly got it back again in the minors, Dan Johnson being an example when Sacramento’s hitting coach immediately found a problem with Johnson’s swing that was corrected, but as we know Johnson couldn’t maintain any sustained success here.
Barton hit well throughout his minor league career but he’s been grossly overmatched this season. There’s got to be something they can find to help him correct some of it, but it’s lasted so long.
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by Flashfire on Aug 10, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fire another hitting coach?
Please. If anything, the lesson here is that we don’t have good hitters in our lineup. These guys are professionals, not high school kids. A new hitting coach will not make a difference.
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by baseb3383 on Aug 10, 2008 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring up Patterson, Petit, and Pennington
and Buck when he comes off the DL. They can’t be much better than what’s being thrown out on the field.
Sit Crosby, Ellis, etc. Crosby won’t increase his trade value by playing. Ellis is an FA; he’ll either sign with the A’s or not. Orlando Hudson going down makes Ellis more likely to go, because that’s one less 2B competitor on the market.
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by Blicks on Aug 10, 2008 3:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
There is absolutely no point to bring some of them up until roster expansion in September
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by Flashfire on Aug 10, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed; hopefully they are brought up at that time.
I see the future. I see cake.
by Blicks on Aug 10, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Glass Half Full View
At the start of the season, I was afraid it would all look like this.
We got half a season of non-painful baseball.
And there’s an awful lot of young talent lurking in this organization.
That being said, these guys are currently just no fun to watch (with a big exception for Ziggy).
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by GreenNGoldSooner on Aug 10, 2008 3:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I like this view.
I see the future. I see cake.
by Blicks on Aug 10, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with this assessment
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by One won lost won on Aug 10, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wish they had sucked in the first half...
then started playing way over their heads some time in late July to give us that distant taste of hope that would last through the end of September. I can deal with suck better in Spring than I can in Fall.
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by Elvez on Aug 10, 2008 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
We did have fun the first part of the season. it was better than this…but it made this a little worse because we got our hopes up for a decent year.
by IM4Oakgal on Aug 10, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking a different reason -
Had they stunk in the first half and played well the second half, the trend would be positive and it would feel like success was just around the corner. As it is, the team has taken a major step back, leaving fans to wonder what they can expect next season.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point.
It’s a good one. I think that this season has made me wonder if it will take longer to be good than we expected. But I can see that we do have great prospects so I still feel hopeful for the future.
by IM4Oakgal on Aug 10, 2008 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Today was awful.
I experienced the joy of listening on the radio. Even the A’s apologists are at wits end. These guys are beaten before they even set foot on the field. Rebuilding or not, there is no excuse for 0 and 28 at the plate or a team effort of 3 and 21. Hannahan has to go, and the sooner the better. Street is a shell of his former self, and he ought not be put in the position of failing on the MLB stage yet again. He needs to go to the minors and work on whatever he needs to work on without the pressure of pitching on the national stage. The pieces on this team that are contributing need confirmation from the front office that their efforts are not un-noticed. Cut some dead weight, and do it quickly. It doesn’t matter if the new pieces are up to speed, just as long as the dross is gone. Trial by fire is the way to go from here.
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by alox on Aug 10, 2008 3:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It appears the manager and closer disagree with you.
They don’t seem alarmed at all. From the post game wrap:
“You come into the road trip and you see Boston, Toronto and Detroit, you know it’s going to be a tough trip,” manager Bob Geren said. “Obviously, this was tougher than that.”The A’s offense made it tougher than usual on its pitchers on Sunday. The hurler that dazzled them this time around was Nate Robertson, who came into the game with a 6.11 ERA, with the opposition batting over .300 against him.
Needless to say, Oakland couldn’t get a run off the spectacled left-hander until it chased him in the eighth inning.
“Everything seemed like his normal stuff,” Geren said of Robertson. “But apparently he was hitting his spots a lot better, better than average.”
“The results were nasty, but I felt like I had some very good improvement on my stuff,” said Street, who pitched for the first time since he blew a save on Tuesday at Toronto. “I’m getting sick of watching good pitches fall in.”
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is your typical post game
garbage that we hear after every loss.
It can only get better.
Time for Gio to throw the first of many shutouts on Tuesday
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
by Trainman on Aug 10, 2008 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that kind of pisses me off
because it implies that Toronto and Detroit are powerhouse teams. Both of them struggling to reach .500 by the way (until we come to town, that is.)
“Apparently he was hitting his spots a lot better, better than average.” Translation: “Just throw the ball anywhere near the plate and we’ll make you look great. I’m coaching a baseball club right now that has absolutely no idea what they’re doing offensively.”
Heaven forbid you take any responsibility for one horrible effort after another, Coach.
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by Vacafan on Aug 10, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm always curious what it is fans think should be said
“I thought we’d play better, but now I realize that this team is terrible,” said Geren. “I just thank God every day that I have an in with Billy because otherwise, any sane GM would sack me, like, yesterday. I mean, have you seen the stupid moves I’ve been making?”
“My fastball is so hittable, I expect to give up runs,” Street acknowledged. “Frankly, I’m pretty much afraid to throw the ball at the moment for fear of screwing up. Gee, I hope the opposing hitters don’t read this.”
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about
“The results on the field right now are completely unacceptable,” Geren said. “If things don’t change soon, we’re going to see lots of changes on the field.”
“I’m hurt, and I’m really not doing the team any good by hiding it,” said Street. “Since we’re out of the race now, I’m going to focus on rehabilitation, so I can be as strong as possible for next season.”
OR
“I’m doing the best I can, but clearly the results aren’t there. I’m going to continue working hard, and hopefully turn things around. If it takes pitching in the 6th inning, or pitching in Sacramento, I’m fine with it.”
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The first one sounds like Leyland
Remind me, how are the Tigers doing this year? The second Street quote sounds like…Well, pretty much like Street.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it doesn't work twice.
It sure helped when Leyland said it in 2005. Even if it doesn’t, it’s less aggravating that hearing false optimism over and over again.
The second one doesn’t sound anything at all like “"The results were nasty, but I felt like I had some very good improvement on my stuff," said Street, who pitched for the first time since he blew a save on Tuesday at Toronto. "I’m getting sick of watching good pitches fall in."
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya Nico ...
I don’t expect Geren to throw anyone under the bus … but is it too much to ask him not to describe the Blue Jays and Tigers as if they were World Series contenders? I don’t know, it just kinda sounds like thinking “we played like crap”, but saying “we got beat by really, really, really good teams”.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
by Vacafan on Aug 10, 2008 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And one other quick note
we give Eric Chavez loads of credit for being forthright and/or brutally honest in his comments … would it be unreasonable for Geren to say something like …”You know, I knew this was going to be tough … but regardless of the lineup I’m given to work with, we’re still a professional baseball team, and the results are unacceptable. I need to do - we need to do - a much better job.”
I think that would be very cool actually, but it’s the truth.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
by Vacafan on Aug 10, 2008 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"because" it's the truth.
I needed a team so I wouldn’t turn into one of the eighty million pink hat-wearing Bud Light-drinking mulleted idiots at Fenway.
by Vacafan on Aug 10, 2008 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that would be fine - it's just maybe not "his style"
It’s pretty much implied anyway.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about
“We’re working really hard and we’re going to work harder. We should be performing a lot better than this. We just need to work on getting good results.”
Let’s face it, the BS he spun about Robertson is completely unnecessary. He was hittable, the offense just fell flat on it’s face. Don’t bother telling us about a performance from someone the team should be having better results against. Those sorts of comments bother me the most because they’re unnecessary and you can usually see that based on his performance, the team tanked. He doesn’t have to be critical of his team if that’s his deal, just don’t throw a bunch of BS.
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by DMOAS on Aug 10, 2008 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahhahahaahahaha
we give Eric Chavez loads of credit for being forthright and/or brutally honest in his comments
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by mikeA on Aug 10, 2008 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
maybe “we” wasn’t appropriate. I was just trying to keep away from an Eric Chavez discussion. How about “Some of us give Eric Chavez loads of credit …”
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by Vacafan on Aug 10, 2008 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I read that and I was like, “are you freakin’ kidding me??”
Chavez totally gets ripped by a huge majority of AN fans every time he says something brutally honest. That’s where all this “he has no heart”, “he just doesn’t care about the game”, “he’s not a leader”, “he doesn’t have the winner mentality” crap comes from.
Hell, Chavez frequently got ripped just because he didn’t stomp and swear and act pissed off after striking out.
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by iglew on Aug 10, 2008 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chavez didn't have too.
I did all those things for him.
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by alox on Aug 10, 2008 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep reading from some on this site
that Huston Street is a really, really good pitcher. “He’s just struggling right now.” My question is, when can one safely say that he isn’t a good pitcher anymore? Does it take a season? Seriously, no shot intended at the stat guys, but there’s no way Street lasts another season pitching like this … so what does it take to say he’s lost it??
At this point, I’m really hoping Ellis doesn’t get re-signed. If I had a penny for each time he pops up and then immediately does that dejected “look down at the ground” thing, I’d be a millionaire.
Alan Embree should have been released a long time ago. Each time he gives up runs, I figure that’s on the organization, because he’s horrible.
Finally, I don’t care if you make a lineup out of high school players, there is absolutely no excuse for this kind of effort offensively. No adjustments, nothing … just go out every day and think that … suddenly … things will turn around. The definition of insanity.
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by Vacafan on Aug 10, 2008 4:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I think what people are saying isn't so much,
“Huston Street is a really, really good pitcher – he’s just struggling right now” as “Huston Street has been a really, really good pitcher – and he’s struggling right now.” In the scheme of sample size, Street has a far longer track record of pitching well than he has of pitching this badly. That, and the fact he is only 24, predict he will pitch better someday. It wasn’t so much the case with Jeff Tam or with Kirk Saarloos.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of us defended Blanton in a similar way until he kept failing to improve here.
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by Flashfire on Aug 10, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blanton's peripherals and Street's peripherals
are not even remotely close to comparable.
Blanton’s peripherals said he was an average pitcher. Which he is, long run. Street’s peripherals said he was an exceptional pitcher.
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by PaulThomas on Aug 10, 2008 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I note the careful use of verbs.
All indicating past tense where appropriate. So have you given up on Street?
There is something wrong with the guy. A pitcher rarely falls this far this fast.
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by alox on Aug 10, 2008 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sounds like you...
are starting to change your mind about Street and his value.
by IM4Oakgal on Aug 10, 2008 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Street's value is changing pretty fast too.
He’s kind of like Buck. Who would have been ok with trading him this past Winter? How about this Winter? Contrasts that sharp make it difficult to know what the heck you’ve got.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah, obviously his value is pretty low right now
That doesn’t mean I’d TRADE him for that “value”, or rather lack thereof. I think he’s almost certainly injured in some way.
There’s a huge difference between “He’s been horrible lately, better pull him as the closer until you figure out what the problem is” and “He’s a horrible pitcher who should be DFAed immediately,” which is rank idiocy.
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by PaulThomas on Aug 11, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's also the human "confidence" factor -
It isn’t going to help Street, at this point, to blow some more saves so let him have a few good outings elsewhere before returning him to the 9th inning.
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by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I'm still not sure the A's should trade him at all
I think he’s a plus reliever, and B+ closer, who has been pitching a little above where he “belongs” (set-up), and I think a bullpen with Devine closing, Street, Ziggy, and Blevins in set-up relief, and others (Casilla, Braden, or new guys) behind them, could be a strong, deep bullpen – which is something I think the A’s will NEED in order to be successful.
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by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Innumeracy
If Ellis did that dejected thing you described in every single at-bat of his major career, and you had a penny for each one, you’d have $27.59 now.
If Ellis had five at-bats per game and played a full season since the end of the Stone Age, you’d be at about $50,000 by now.
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by iglew on Aug 10, 2008 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say if he starts next season
and does this sort of crap for the first month, that would be a true sign that he’s no longer a good pitcher. Technically right now he isn’t. To go from reliable, good pitching to just flat out suck is kind of weird and to do so mid-season is even odder. But if he starts fresh next year with this kind of crap, then off to minors and let him figure it out down there because at that point he truly won’t be a good pitcher anymore.
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by DMOAS on Aug 10, 2008 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
good pitches?
I saw Sheff strike out on a ball way off the plate the inning before. Those were not good pitches but throwing the same pitch over and over again. Street has a arm injury and he is trying to cover it up. You don’t lose the fastball and changeup that badly. He could still be a good pitcher but needs to go on the DL and rest his damaged arm.
by Arcman on Aug 10, 2008 4:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Barton vs Johnson
Dan Johnson would be hitting atround 250 with a 350 OBA and Barton is batting 212 with a 312 OBA. So if we kept Johnson we would have a slightly better firstbaseman. Barton could have used another year in the minors as you can tell he is over matched right now.
by Arcman on Aug 10, 2008 4:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
We'd still suck with Dan Johnson on the team.
And since he has no future as a major league baseball player, it would be pointless to have kept him.
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehe, a quality typo...
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by mikeA on Aug 10, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
I’m missing it.
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
d'oh, I misread it
I read it as “We’d still be stuck with Dan Johnson on the team” with “suck” instead of “stuck.” While not having the advantage of being a fun typo, your actual comment makes way more sense…
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by mikeA on Aug 10, 2008 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's sort of a pun in "pointless"
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by iglew on Aug 10, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I wouldn't mind, especially if Chavez' shoulder surgery
allows him to hit again but not necessarily throw so easily, is to get a 3Bman (e.g., LaRoche, Kouzmanoff), move Chavez to 1B for 2009, and put Barton in AAA for a season to re-prove himself. I’m not sold on his maturity and could see a year of AAA being good for him – he doesn’t strike me as someone who does well to have things handed to him. Let him earn it again through hard work and if he’s good we’ll have him through 2014.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm OK with that...
it depends on how good the third baseman is.
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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's downright sad....
to long for the good ole days of DJ.
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by alox on Aug 10, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Dan Johnson,
today’s his birthday.
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by Kimberly on Aug 10, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN just did the Top 10 "NOT" Web Gems for today
No surprise, the 8th inning Brown, Crosby, Blevins debacle was #3.
My favorite part of the highlight was the commentator calling Blevins, “JEREMY BELvins”. Can nobody get this guy’s name right? I feel so bad for him! Poor Jerry. :-(
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by ZigFan31 on Aug 10, 2008 5:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Another big game for Cunningham:
3-5 w/ 2 doubles.
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by mikeA on Aug 10, 2008 6:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow - I have to say, I'm pretty psyched about him
Were it not for the broken wrist, I suspect he would have been in Oakland by now. As it is, we should see him in September, for keeps I think.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carter with his 34th HR
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by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love that guy!
I’ll make sure to hang on to my two cups from the Ports root beer float night :-)
by Technotofu on Aug 10, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy craparoly - it's becoming a daily thing with him
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some habits ought to be encouraged.
I’m okay with this one.
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by alox on Aug 10, 2008 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, for one, am certainly looking forward to
a few 162 HR seasons from Carter.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only one a game?
That would mean he would go 1 for 4 on average. Unacceptable.
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by alox on Aug 10, 2008 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
.250 average and 1.000 SLG. I think I could live with that.
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by iglew on Aug 10, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if his OBP was .250 you couldn't
OBP is really, really important. It was the founding principle in a document penned by Billy Beane, which I’m glad I didn’t read.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh sure....
Settle for a supersized Jack Cust without those redeeming walks.
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by alox on Aug 10, 2008 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess it would come down to whether
the outs were icky strikeouts or those cool “productive outs” that World Series wins are made of.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well....
I do love me some long fly balls to the warning track….
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by alox on Aug 10, 2008 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keith Foulke, is that you?
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL....If it were....
It’d be, “I do love me some long fly balls that sail well clear of the warning track. Wouldn’t want to see an outfielder hurt himself crashing into a wall.”
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by alox on Aug 10, 2008 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Buck ever plays liek he did in 2007
an OF of Buck/Gonzalez/Cunningham with Sweeney as backup if any of them flame out, would be awesome.
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by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now Ryan Sweeney is the best hitting OF out of the 4 guys you mentioned.
Honestly, I think it’s funny that people want to just shove him into the 4th OF slot.
by mikev on Aug 10, 2008 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well right now is right now.
Gonz will better and Cunningham has put up better numbers everywhere, and so has Buck.
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by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's "funny" - I see it as people
actually paying attention to process and not just getting caught up in results, which is good. The ball explodes off Carlos’ bat and he’s a 22 year old who came known as “raw” – that he’s doing as well as he is bodes really well for his future. Cunningham appears to have potentially more power, more speed, and more “maximize his skills” ability.
Sweeney is pretty much limited to spraying liners on one hop to the OF and hitting sharp grounders through the hole – and that’s when he’s hot. I hope the power will come but I sure don’t see it – I just see his batting average settling into a .270 groove with some doubles and the occasional HR. To which I say, “Shrug.”
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the merit
in limiting a guy based on his “projections” alone. He may well do all the things you mentioned, but as long as he’s outperforming everyone else around him, he shouldn’t be considered a 4th man out. Projecting a player is a fine way to build a team, but not necessarily a good way to orientate your lineup. I personally find merit in a player believing that he can crack the starting nine at any time his performance indicates that he should. Formulating a process is an excellent method, but the system should never take precedence over results.
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by alox on Aug 10, 2008 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't take issue with that
I applaud Sweeney for everything he’s done and if he can outperform Cunningham, or Gonzalez, or Cust, then more power to him. All I’m saying is that many of us, myself included, predict that when each player reaches his true production Sweeney will be 4th best. Realistically, there’s room for 4 OFers anyway thanks to injury, rest, and platoons.
And if Sweeney develops the power some have predicted, he’ll be a good player – I just happen to be among those who doesn’t see it happening. That doesn’t make me right; in fact I hope to be dead wrong.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think Buck gets back on track next year.
And has a great year. Same with Barton.
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by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I read somewhere that Barton
had or has trouble taking direction and that he is very stubborn.
Does not look like he makes adjustments to me.
Don’t ask me where I read it because it would take me longer to find it than it would for Barton to hit .250
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
by Trainman on Aug 10, 2008 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I don't put too much weight on Barton being "stubborn"
If a hitter is in a slump, everybody starts giving him advice. And if the guy takes all that advice, his swing becomes a mess. I’d rather a professional hitter stick to his gameplan instead of listening to a million people trying to give him directions.
I think you read that Barton comment from a comment you posted before. Circular logic becomes truth I guess.
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by baseb3383 on Aug 10, 2008 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he probably heard it cited by me,
who recalled hearing it when the A’s acquired Barton as a 19 year old. What you’re describing as a “good approach” sounds to me like “being Bobby Crosby” – taking direction doesn’t mean letting 100 people who think they’re experts tell you to change this and that; it means allowing more experienced mentors who are paid to coach offer you wisdom you have not yet acquired. Listening to your coaches is a good thing if you have good coaches; thinking you know everything when you’re 19 is not a good thing (though not uncommon).
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess when I said professional hitter
I wasn’t thinking of Bobby Crosby. His regular swing is already a mess.
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by baseb3383 on Aug 10, 2008 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And this is The Truth.
Being 19 and stupid is no big deal. Being 21 and semi stupid isn’t either….unless you’re an MLB caliber ballplayer. In which case, it can abort a career before it even starts. If this describes Barton at 23, he better figure it out quick.
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by alox on Aug 10, 2008 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being Bobby Crosby
that’s kind of catchy. Some enterprising AN’er ought to get their digital video gear and make a remake of Being John Malkovich.
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by ak_A on Aug 11, 2008 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I kind of figured as much.
I was defending the idea that a player who is producing shouldn’t be dismissed so readily for bench duty in the future. Let their talent speak for itself when the time comes. As it stands now, Sweeney is playing in front of other people, and well he should. If the day comes when the other guys are outperforming him, I’ll be the first to advocate a bench role for him. Even so, you’re still right. There will be plenty of playing time to go around for a quality 4th man.
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by alox on Aug 10, 2008 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've noticed the same thing....
I really don’t care what outfielder gets the vaunted label of number four, so long as he isn’t the guy contributing the most to the offense. Or the second most. Or the third for that matter.
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by alox on Aug 10, 2008 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The good news
Honestly, the fact that we’ve been doing so poorly is probably going to force some aggressive promotions to the majors. And frankly, it’s about time we get the young guys up here with some time to gel and learn whether they can hit. I think 2009 is out of the question right now for contention. There’s too many holes on this team (namely, the whole infield).
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by baseb3383 on Aug 10, 2008 7:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Just remember, it's a long off-season
We don’t know yet what the 2009 roster will look like.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
what a great novel idea for a thread, the 2009 roster
alaska A
by ak_A on Aug 10, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's better than my thread idea for a novel
Turns out it’s actually quite difficult to get publishers interested in a book about sewing.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about a book about books?
That will surely be more marketable.
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by baseb3383 on Aug 10, 2008 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...Is there a book on how to write one of those?
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps a coffee table book
about coffee tables.
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by 5Aces on Aug 11, 2008 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Beijijng"?
I realize typographic standards have declined, but jeez, you think they’d notice a typo in the freakin’ headline of their ad.
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by iglew on Aug 10, 2008 8:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought there was a typo on a different story
I read the headline, “Contreras lost for season, most of next” and thought “Don’t they mean Hannahan?” Sadly, you can plug in about half our current lineup and the joke works.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds?
It’s a silly idea now,and yet, his addition to the team would at least be entertaining.
by IM4Oakgal on Aug 10, 2008 8:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sign Bonds to hit clean-up and Eddie Gaedel to bat leadoff
I might pay cash (which is as good as money) to see that.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds was a viable player
not a little(smile)joke like Gaedel. You know it’s no shame to actually want to be entertained while watching a losing team.
by IM4Oakgal on Aug 10, 2008 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be entertaining to say the least.
There’s not much this team could do to convince me to pay to watch them. That would work for a while, but the heartless bastards know I’ll pay to watch them even when they suck. I think they’re counting on it in fact.
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by alox on Aug 10, 2008 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still go to the games.
But now i am only going to go once every other week. It just isn’t fun…but I still want to support the team. It bothers me to see the empty seats.
by IM4Oakgal on Aug 10, 2008 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
AN is dangerously
close to becoming a support group rather than a fan site. Actually, well on its way.
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by alox on Aug 10, 2008 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are having a family crisis..
and I haven’t been able to check the site much this week …and when I did tonight…it shocked me at the defeatist, glum,depressed mood. This year is shot…and that happens in baseball. But it’s still our team and hope will rise again in the off-season. That’s part of the beauty and the attraction for the game.
by IM4Oakgal on Aug 10, 2008 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bad part of defeatist....
is that it’s contagious. Winning begets winning, and works just as well in the opposite direction. That’s what infuriates me about this team. There are pieces blocking the minor league players who may actually contribute one day. They need to go. I have no doubt Beane and company realize this, and are probably just waiting for September to start the bloodletting. I also know there are good reasons for waiting, but in the mean time, it sucks to watch this team implode. One positive I’ve noticed that hasn’t been mentioned, Crosby seems to have noticed the hand writing on the wall. His bat is starting to show some signs of life. Of course, it’s done that before, but if he can sustain offensive improvement through the end of the season, 09 might not be as horrible as the prognostications.
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by alox on Aug 10, 2008 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I'd Do
First - I’d bring up Gregoria Petit to play shortstop. Then I’d move Crosby to third, getting Hannahan out of the line-up. I’d bring up Patterson and Pennington, and see if Ellis could play 1B. If he could, I’d send Barton down to work out his troubles there. I’d bring up Cunningham immediately and take the chance that he could hit major league pitching, and I’d DFA Rajai Davis. I would also DFA Emil Brown, and would see if I could work Cust into the line-up every now and again. Hannahan would be my super-backup for outfield, 3B and 1B.
At the pitching end, I’d send Huston Street down, and bring up Kirk Saarloos as the long man. I’d move Meyer into the bullpen and see if he could fly there. I’d try to work out a trade for Embree. If I could get Rich Aurelia for Alan Embree, I’d do it in a second, and move Aurelia to 1B for the rest of the year and keep either Patterson or Pennington in Sacramento til September 1st with Elllis as back-up (Carter and Barton could fight it out next year for 1B).
by richwol1 on Aug 10, 2008 9:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...A few things...
You can’t just put players at positions they don’t actually play. It’s possible Crosby could learn to play a decent 3B but he’s never actually done it, let alone at the big league level, so you can’t put him there just because you wish he were a 3Bman.
Benching Cust makes Mark Ellis (who isn’t a 1Bman, see above) your lineup’s HR leader with 10. Which is just kind of sad, about at the level of an aging, lonely clown who reeks of cigarette smoke.
Also, Carter won’t be in the mix in 2009 – probably not even 2010.
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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
How old is Carter anyway?
Not the former President either, mind you.
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by alox on Aug 10, 2008 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
his brother billy carter? dead.
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by xbhaskarx on Aug 11, 2008 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No wonder I can't find
Billy beer anymore.
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by alox on Aug 11, 2008 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand what you're saying
but desperate times call for desperate measures. I’m assuming Ellis can play 1B and Crosby can play 3B. I’d rather see\ Cunningham get AB’s than Cust because he’s got a higher upside. But Cust does need to get ABs, however he can be a part-time player for the rest of this year and it wouldn’t matter. We know what he can do, and he knows what he can do.
I’m also saying that both Patterson and Pennington should get shots this year, and see if they can handle 2B. At this point, replacing what’s there was minor leaguers who are more or less ready, or who could be ready, makes sense. Get the ball rolling to see if the next generation will fly.
And if Carter is ready, he should go from AA to the majors, like Will Clark.
by richwol1 on Aug 10, 2008 11:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How is this a desperate time?
This is losing year, part of a process. Rushing guys to the majors who aren’t ready yet is a bad idea. You waste service time while adding an extra year of “figuring it out” time or demoralize them when they fail. Bad idea to send guys down with a 3 weeks before sept call up/end of the minor league season wasting options on them. Moving guys around to play positions they aren’t ready to play is just unnecessary. Making trades (that you can’t make even if the other team would go for it, which they wouldn’t), just doesn’t make sense either.
We just need to accept that the rest of this season is going to suck royally, but that if we’re lucky we’ll do so bad that we can get an earlier pick in next year’s draft (which also benefits us by not causing us to lose a first round pick if we sign a big name FA in the off-season). Just relax, let Brown & Embree take us to horrible depths and just keep an eye on who might be available in next year’s draft and smile.
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by DMOAS on Aug 10, 2008 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wanna buy the rest of my tickets to this year's games?
Kidding (kind of)
by richwol1 on Aug 11, 2008 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me rephrase. At this point, replacing the people in the field with minor leaguers who are more or less ready, or who could be ready, makes sense.
by richwol1 on Aug 10, 2008 11:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
When I'm feeling calm and rational....
which is almost never the case after watching this team, I can see the reasoning in waiting until September to make roster moves. I have to agree with the idea that if a player in AA can make a strong case for joining the big club, I’m all for letting him have his shot. I don’t necessarily buy into the notion that just because a player is young he’s not “ready”. I suppose it makes strategic sense to wait 3 more weeks and then let them know they’re going to get the chance to show case their talent on the big club. If they do well in September, then sustain that performance in March, then there’s a job waiting for them. Strong incentive if you ask me.
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by alox on Aug 11, 2008 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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