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Untouchables?

Alright, in my view I think that everyone except Ziggy and Mark Ellis should be on the table, either now, though waivers, or after the season. Billy Beane should consider a lot of offers and make a lot of deals. Is there anyone else that any of you would consider untouchable?

Also, why are the River Cats so good and are reigning AAA champions and that A's are so bad this year? I don't understand that.

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I don't know why you'd consider Ellis untouchable

Is it just because of his defense?

I’d keep Carlos Gonzalez over him if I had to pick.

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by Flashfire on Aug 10, 2008 1:08 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Given the A’s drafted one 2b and traded for another, Ellis is as good as gone.

Freemont was a baaad choice!!

by dboysick on Aug 10, 2008 3:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Also, why are the River Cats so good and are reigning AAA champions and that A's are so bad this year? I don't understand that."

This really makes me scratch my head.

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by Syphon on Aug 10, 2008 1:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. We should dump R. Sweeney and CarGo.

Neither of them show any promise and they’ll be sooo expensive someday.

Looking forward to Spring Training and the hope of another World Series title.

by ohtobe21likehuston on Aug 10, 2008 7:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Same with Suzuki and Gio.

Those guys SUCK!!!

On the other hand, you have different fingers.

by Streams Of Whiskey on Aug 10, 2008 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ziggy and Ellis are hardly untouchable...

Ellis is probably gone after this year. If Ziggy keeps putting up scoreless innings this year, there is no doubt in my mind that Beane will sell high. Cargo and Swooney are the closest thing to untouchable on this team.

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by FoolshGame22 on Aug 10, 2008 7:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Ellis has had an awful contract push. If his defense slips a bit the A’s would regret signing him to a long term (3 or up) deal. I think that he is gone at this point.

by DKNJ on Aug 10, 2008 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

enough with the selling high!

Who would we sell him for, a young, cheap pitching prospect with upside? That’s what he is?

by Jeremy Belvins on Aug 12, 2008 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, no

He hasn’t allowed a run in forever. That means he has been as good as it is possible to be. There’s no upside from that.

I hate when people misuse the term “upside.” It means “has potential to play substantially better than he’s playing right now.” Ziegler does not, albeit for the most admirable of reasons, possess that trait.

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by PaulThomas on Aug 12, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say you're wrong

He could give up fewer leadoff hits, sacrifice bunts and intentional walks before getting a double play.

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by Flashfire on Aug 12, 2008 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

just to clarify, PT is wrong in his first statement, right in his second

This statement of PT’s is correct:

Ziegler does not, albeit for the most admirable of reasons, possess [upside beyond what he’s already achieved].

This statement (as you point out) is wrong:

He hasn’t allowed a run in forever. That means he has been as good as it is possible to be.

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 12, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was trying to be amusing, but yeah.

He’s allowed inherited runners to score. He’s allowed people to reach base. It actually is possible to do even better, but then we’d be talking about someone completely perfect.

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by Flashfire on Aug 12, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, don't be so literal

No one expects Ziggy to maintain such a remarkable low ERA. Obviously he’s going to regress toward the mean — his mean — and I don’t think anyone expects his mean ERA to be almost zero. So, I was doing a quick-and-dirty projection based on the pretty reasonable expectation that his early success was more a matter of small sample size and not a perfect indicator of where is at this phase of his career. I used the term “upside” in the sense that he’s not expected to be in his prime, despite his early, anomalous success.

I just read your reply a moment ago, and so my subsequent reply is late in coming, but I found it so little irritating that I had to respond, however long after the fact.

You’re right, of course, in a rigid semantic interpretation, but I think it’s important to consider a little more context when trying to determine whether or not someone like Ziegler still posses upside. I mean, it was sloppy use of the word, fine, but obviously I never meant to say that Ziegler was going to have a better than zero ERA, so it shouldn’t take a great leap of logic to realize that I was using, however incorrectly, the term “upside” to refer to this early phase of his pitching career, which will be better reflected statistically after he’s accrued more innings pitched.

Maybe not. But either way, you don’t have to be so smug. Really, what kind of person starts a reply with “uh,no”?

by Jeremy Belvins on Aug 15, 2008 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My "untouchables" would be:

C. Gonzalez, Suzuki, Cunningham, Duchscherer, Gallagher, Gio, Cahill, Anderson, and Chris Carter. That’s the nucleus of the successful team going forward – for the rest I’d listen to offers and just be suitably picky.

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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 9:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Delete Suzuki, Duchscherer, Gallagher, Cunningham and add Rodriguez and Barton

and I’m with you.

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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way would I trade Suzuki

He’s a better hitter than R. Sweeney, and outstanding catcher, and he’s the best overall catcher the A’s will have for a minimum of three years (Donaldson). I’d trade Rodriguez in a heartbeat if it could help solve 3B or SS for the next 6 years. Same with Barton, especially if it looked like Chavez had a future at 1B but not 3B. We need power at the corners.

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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way I would trade Rodriguez

He has the best stuff in the organization, and among the best in all of baseball. The A’s will have him for a minimum of nine years. I’d trade Suzuki in a heartbeat if it could help solve 3B or SS for the next six years. Bowen or Kendall can handle C. Same with Cunningham, especially if it looked like Buck had a future in a corner and Sweeney at 4th OF. We need power at the corners.

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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who would you anoint with "best stuff"?

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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brett Anderson and Trevor Cahill

Command, and “know it’s coming, still can’t get it in the air,” count as parts of stuff in my book.

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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My problem with that is that it would have indicated that Mark Langston

had better stuff than Randy Johnson. The Mariners were fools to make that trade.

Looking at it another way, what makes Carter untouchable and Rodriguez expendable? Would the reverse have been true at the end of April?

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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think some teams put more value on hard throwers than good pitchers

Not to say Rodriguez isn’t or won’t be a good pitcher, but he’s still having a lot of control problems and I’m not sure he really knows HOW to pitch more than “blow the fastball by everyone.” If he can develop better control and a couple other pitches that are at least average, pitches he can rely on when he needs, he’ll be devastating.

I like hard throwers too, but they have to be able to do more than just throw hard. Someone like Cahill is already showing how good he can be with a variety of pitches and he’s continuing to pitch well as he goes up the organizational ladder. Anderson’s in that mix as well.

I guess what makes Carter untouchable right now is the simple fact he’s got so much power. I’ve seen maybe half a dozen Ports games this year and he hasn’t done a thing in any of them while often looking slow with his swing, but most of those games came back in April and May when he was really struggling. I saw one a couple weeks ago where he got around on a ball well and hit a sharp liner as a result.

His numbers from June forward show he’s absolutely mashing and doing it while hitting for a good average as well. About a third of his hits in the last couple months have been for home runs, but add in his extra base hits and that number goes up to 57%, 43% singles. That’s impressive. I can live with the strikeouts when he’s hitting this well and I hope it carries over to higher levels.

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by Flashfire on Aug 10, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What makes you think the June-July Carter is any more the real

Carter than the April-May Carter?

Would you consider Rodriguez untouchable if he had maintained his April performance into May at A+, and then pitched in Stockton like he has for the past two months. IOW pretend he’d never been at AA. Just as Carter’s never been at AA.

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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With people in the minors, I'm looking for signs of growth

Carter’s slow start could be for a variety of reasons but for a little more than half the season now he’s been tearing it up. I’d be more concerned if he started hot and went into the crapper instead of starting slow before improving. I’d move him to Midland but at this point it might be good to just let him finish the season in Stockton since it’s almost over, then kick off the 2009 season in Midland. If he starts out well there then he could even earn a promotion to Sacramento during the year, but if he has another slow start it’d be good to leave him in Midland to see if he heats up again as he gets used to the competition. If not for Doolittle, Carter’s probably already in Midland but I think the team wants to keep them spaced out the rest of the season.

With Rodriguez, it’s hard to say. I think he started out well because teams were overmatched. In the Texas League his control went away (as many walks as he has in Stockton in about half the innings, fewer strikeouts on average) along with allowing more hits. Whatever happened there, he got owned. Now back in Stockton he’s been better but still more up and down compared to the early start.

I’m not really sure what to make of Rodriguez until he gets more consistent and with them making the move to him in relief it may not be until next year that we start to see if he’s going back to figuring it out. At the least, it’s going to take another stint at AA before I’m ready to say if he’s getting it or not.

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by Flashfire on Aug 10, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What Nico said

Certainly not someone who has a high-90s fastball without a whole lot else right now.

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by Flashfire on Aug 10, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's got terrific, uncontrollable movement on the fastball. It's not Kyle

Farnsworth or Joel Zumaya or Billy Koch. Also his change up is good when it works, but it only sometimes works and he can’t control it either. His breaking ball is a third pitch, but it also breaks even though (all together now), he can’t control that either.

He did have an excellent April before going to AA. So it’s not like he’s never put the pieces together somewhat.

Maybe “stuff” is the wrong word, if you’re going to make “command” part of the “stuff” equation. How about “upside”, ignoring the probability to reach that upside?

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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Upside? Yeah, I'd probably say he has the most in the organization.

But yes, control/command is definitely part of the mix to me. I want to see pitchers knowing where the ball’s going to go, pitchers who can make it do what they want when they want. In that sense, someone who doesn’t throw as hard but can actually pitch mean a little more to me.

It’s only two games but back in April I saw him mow down the Bakersfield hitters, then a few weeks ago get hit pretty consistently by many of the same players. His command was off more in the second game I saw as well.

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by Flashfire on Aug 10, 2008 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I generally agree that performance trumps tools in the vast majority of

cases. I do not want to go back to the Todd Van Poppel, Tim Conroy philosophy. But I do believe that when those tools are off-the-charts good, like with Carter and Rodriguez, you place some value on their upside over and beyond their performance.

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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I'd like to see with Rodriguez is the following:

Put him in the bullpen (as they just did, yesterday) and instruct him to throw only fastballs, and to try to throw every pitch down the middle. You figure that with his lack of command, a lot of those pitches will accidentally move to the various corners – which is great – and that he won’t walk guys or fall behind. And by pitching only 1 inning and not worrying about offspeed stuff, he can just focus on throwing a good fastball and will probably get his fastball by hitters sometimes even when it’s down the middle. Then you can go from there.

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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya sure but don't make him the second piece in a trade for

Brandon Wood or Asdrubal Cabrera.

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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kendall can handle C?

I guess its a good thing that Kendall isn’t with the team anymore than, right?

by benza on Aug 10, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually Powell would be the next in line if he stays healthy

But they will keep Suzuki, Cargon, Swooney, Cahil, Anderson, Gio, Doolittle, Gallagher, Carter and Cunningham. Other than that. It is anyone’s guess at this point.

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by Eastbayjim on Aug 10, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya sure. I was being facetious about Kendall. The point is there a lots of catchers

floating around who are similar to each other, and Suzuki isn’t likely to maintain his hitting if he keeps playing 140 games.

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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I give Geren credit for apparently realizing he can't play Suzuki 8 days a week

He’s been getting some regular rest since around the beginning of June and I think Suzuki has performed much better as a result.

It’d be nice if Bowen were good enough (and maybe he is) to start 40 games a year.

by thejd44 on Aug 10, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you mean Rodriguez?

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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

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by mikeA on Aug 10, 2008 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better hitter than Sweeny?

You are not serious? The dude is sick!!

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by Triple Eh's on Aug 11, 2008 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Suzuki is a better hitter than Sweeney.

Or Sweeny.

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by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Considering his position he is at the moment. Sweeney's all about

that potential power though. If he develops that he’ll be a major leaguer for a long time.

by OldhamA on Aug 12, 2008 4:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has few 2B though. In the minors he had 140 XBH in 1925 AB.

Where’s the potential power?

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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 12, 2008 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Imagining all those guys on a table made me chuckle

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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 9:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait, so if they're on the table

that means they’re touchable?

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by iglew on Aug 11, 2008 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree about Ellis

If Beane could trade Ellis this offseason, that would be AWESOME!

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 10, 2008 9:35 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And then sign him!

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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For 3 million per Max

Then great, but I really don’t think he’s worth more unless you had a lineup around him that can score more runs. There is no doubt about his defense. If we had some offense at SS and 3rd, I am sure we would want him signed no matter what the cost, within reason.

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by Trainman on Aug 10, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if it's only for a bag of balls

that’s one fucking-A trade.

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by DMOAS on Aug 10, 2008 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not really, that's a draft pick for a bag of balls.

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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Missed the point

A free agent can’t be traded.

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by DMOAS on Aug 10, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cahill, Gonzalez, Anderson

Everyone else is on the table as far as I’m concerned.

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by Hegenberger Road on Aug 10, 2008 11:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Carlos Gonzalez and Kurt Suzuki

Anyone in the minors is fair game as far as I’m concerned.

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by black beane on Aug 10, 2008 12:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Beane has proven time and again

that the only untouchable in the entire organization is Eric Chavez.

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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 12:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

To seven crappy teams

it shouldn’t really be a factor.

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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Besides which

After this year he’s a 10 and 5, I think, so there’s truly no chance he’ll ever be traded.

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by jeepers on Aug 10, 2008 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Chavy would've been dealt this year had

he come back and proven to be healthy and productive for a time.

by Tyler Bleszinski on Aug 10, 2008 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crosby too!!

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by brenarlo on Aug 10, 2008 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Crosby was healthy and productive for a time

and wasn’t dealt. And slipped back to sucking, and then to being unhealthy, and then to sucking-except-when-hitting-against-the-Blue-Jays.

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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody should ever be untouchable

A GM isn’t doing his job if he’s not always willing to listen to an offer for any player.

by thejd44 on Aug 10, 2008 3:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

By "untouchable" I mean it's unlikely that you'll be offered what it would take to trade the person.

For example you could argue that you should trade Cahill for Evan Longoria. But that offer would never be made. Even a less ridiculous example like Cameron Maybin, it’s extremely unlikely that such an offer would ever be made. So any trade discussion is likely to be a waste of time. So if you Cahill’s “untouchable” other GMs won’t call you with silly proposals that you’d never accept.

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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

NOBODY!!!...

...should ever be literally “untouchable”. But, that doesnt mean that you should actively seek to trade them, nor does it mean that some aren’t more ‘untouchable’ than others.

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by UncleLeo on Aug 10, 2008 3:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I guess I should’ve explained more in my post above yours: Untouchable means you won’t trade a guy. Now, hypothetically, what if the Yankees say “We want player X and we’ll give you ARod, Joba, Cano, and pay all of their salaries?” Granted, that’ll never happen ever. But untouchable means you would say “No, this guy is untouchable. Keep your players.” And that’s just bad general managing.

If we’re talking players who have a value to the A’s that probably can’t/wouldn’t be met through a realistic trade offer, I’d say Carlos Gonzalez is the only player who fits into the “probably no realistic deal” category.

by thejd44 on Aug 10, 2008 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who is the worst player you'd trade for, if you had to give up:

1) Carlos Gonzalez
2) Trevor Cahill
3) Brett Anderson
4) Gio Gonzalez
5) Henry Rodriguez

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by WaddellCanseco on Aug 10, 2008 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to say because of the position the A's are in

Generally speaking, I’d move any of those pitchers for a good, cost-controlled starting pitcher (somebody like Haren). I think those guys are the best value in the game. So even though any one of Cahill, Anderson, Gio, or H-Rod might end up better than a Haren-type (and I’m not suggesting trying to get him back, he’s just the first guy who popped into my head), I think having a youngish, successful, proven-healthy pitcher for the next 5 years or so is worth giving up a couple of those players.

by thejd44 on Aug 10, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course nobody should be "literally" untouchable

How would they interact with their teammates?

...and the future is now!

by gio_is_the_future on Aug 11, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how about the guys with the inner-ear infections?

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 11, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently, they're "touch everyone!"able

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by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point...

...God forbid the “butt-pat” go out of style.

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by UncleLeo on Aug 11, 2008 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's very popular in the teacher's lounge

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by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought this thread was about Cahill and Anderson. Apparently they've been

deemed untouchable by the organisation (I read it somewhere, probably on here!).

by OldhamA on Aug 10, 2008 4:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

so..

Suzuki, G.Gon, C.Gon, R. Sweeney, D. Barton, G. Smith, Ziegler,

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by ConditionOakland on Aug 10, 2008 6:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If there were sufficient interest,

I’d move R. Sweeney or Barton. Within a year, probably the same is true of Smith.

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by Nico on Aug 10, 2008 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

And I’d move Ziegler, too. I like Ziggy. I think he’s going to be a pretty good reliever for a while. But he’s still just a reliever. I actually think that a guy like him could end up being overvalued if he keeps up his ridiculous stretch of awesomeness.

by thejd44 on Aug 10, 2008 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But is your view Caste in stone?

They want to steal the land papers which is why they have tried to break in. But they had to give up after being bitten by Chhotu.

by FreeSeatUpgrade on Aug 11, 2008 3:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thats It!!

Im done with this site. You guys are A bunch of fucking morons.

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by Triple Eh's on Aug 11, 2008 5:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great, now why should I bother logging in?

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by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like how he capitalized 'A'

I think the ’ key is broken as well.

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by Flashfire on Aug 11, 2008 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought he was just emphasizing

that there is no “A” in “moron”.

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by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes there is

"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson

by nevermoor on Aug 11, 2008 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

QOTM

Only so I can say “POTM.”

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by Flashfire on Aug 11, 2008 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Untouchables

Cahill, Anderson, The Gons, Sweeney, Gallagher, and Bruce Willis. I think Gallagher and Sweeney are going to be real stars in this league which I don’t think is an opinion a lot of us share. As for everyone else, they can be moved in my book.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Aug 11, 2008 7:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm just curious, when you say you think Sweeney will be a star,

do you see him hitting 25 HRs/year, or hitting .320, or stealing 25 bases? I don’t really see him doing any of those, but to be a “star” he’d have to do at least one. What do you see him doing?

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by Nico on Aug 11, 2008 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

All this irrational love for Sweeney makes me want to trade him.

And I’m not even the GM

[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years" - Vince Cotroneo

by WaddellCanseco on Aug 11, 2008 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He could steal 25 bases. He's unlikely to develop 25 home run power at this stage though.

Not sure about the average, I don’t know how his batting average on balls in play looks – it could be crazy, or sustainable.

by OldhamA on Aug 12, 2008 4:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thing is, even if he steals 25 bases,

if he does it hitting .280 with 10 HRs he’s far from a star.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 12, 2008 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, but he has to be a star

to make true the opinion that “Gallagher and Sweeney are going to be real stars in this league.”

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Aug 12, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweeney

I could see him hitting .320 with maybe 12-15 bombs, stellar D, and around 20 steals in a couple years. Maybe that’s not STAR material, but I think it qualifies as star material. Sort of a poor man’s Grady Sizemore before he exploded for all these homers this year.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Aug 20, 2008 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but we already traded Hudson

There were a lot of stupid, long confusing words that I’m sure normal people don’t use. @('.')@

by monkeyball on Aug 12, 2008 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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