Harden to the Cubs, according to WSCR-670, in Chicago (UPDATE: THIS IS OFFICIAL)
by Jivas on Jul 8, 2008 3:29 PM PDT
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WSCR-670 in Chicago has a reporter at Wrigley Field who has indicated that there is a great deal of buzz that the Cubs have made a trade, seemingly for Rich Harden, primarily involving major league players.
UPDATE: The Score (WSCR-670) is indicating that Sean Gallagher is one of the Cubs players involved. The A's fan in me asks: how many starting pitchers do we we need?
UPDATE 2: This is official, Jim Hendry (Cubs GM) is having a press conference at this moment. Sean Gallagher and Matt Murton are involved.
UPDATE 3: Here are a link to the story.
This is my first post here. I'm a dual Cubs-A's fan (Cubs first, from Chicago) and a fan of your site. I'm hoping someone here will have some more info, and I'll post an update here if the Chicago stations have anything more to add or if anything is official.
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bruce levine of espn 1000 in chicago reporting it, as well
came here to see if there’s anything from the oakland front.
by larry on Jul 8, 2008 3:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt Murton, Eric Patterson, one of the Sean(shawns) marshall or Gallagher
GM Hendry press conference on right now
by larry on Jul 8, 2008 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not a cubs or As fan
but, while harden is great, this guy hasn’t pitched very much (i’m sure you hear that all the time). maybe it was time to sell when he was actually healthy for a bit. anyway, i’ll let the fans who are involved have at it.
by larry on Jul 8, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chad Gaudin going to the Cubs in the deal
According to Jim Hendry.
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by Jivas on Jul 8, 2008 3:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait, what? Harden and Gaudin?
That can’t be right.
by mikev on Jul 8, 2008 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gaudin instead of Harden
Way to bait-and-switch, Billy
by green star oakland on Jul 8, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comments on MLBTR are saying BOTH of them
by mikev on Jul 8, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's both
Here’s the Chicago Sun-Times article.
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by Jivas on Jul 8, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's are also receiving a minor league PTBNL
Hopefully – as an A’s fan – this is Josh Vitters, who can’t be traded until the 1-year anniversary of his signing, which should be fairly soon.
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by Jivas on Jul 8, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds good if it is for Gaudin.
by theblackpearl on Jul 8, 2008 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, actually
Gaudin for Murton/Gallagher/someone makes some sense…
Harden AND Gaudin for that is crazy talk.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on Jul 8, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
and this
is coming from AN’s resident Harden H8R.
"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.
by andeux on Jul 8, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
How did I get supplanted?
... arousing men to burst the chains under which monkeyish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves ... @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 8, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The link indicates
it IS the Gaudin deal you describe, AND Harden in a separate deal….
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Jul 8, 2008 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I’ve seen alot of ridiculous trade proposals and that one is right in the top 3, if not #1.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on Jul 8, 2008 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone get me a drink.
Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows
by Jennifer on Jul 8, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
here too please
must know if it’s chad or rich… my nerves can’t take this…
by whiteshoes40 on Jul 8, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone got some linkedge for us?
Can’t find anything anywhere…...
by Bitey on Jul 8, 2008 3:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
See above
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1045631,harden070808.article
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by Jivas on Jul 8, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
chicago tribune
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/07/cubs-moves-in-t.html
The Cubs answered the Brewers acquisition of CC Sabathia, picking up Rich Harden and Chad Gaudin from Oakland on Tuesday for Sean Gallagher, Eric Patterson, Matt Murton and Josh Donaldson.
by larry on Jul 8, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sun times sez:
The Cubs have traded for Oakland A’s pitcher Rich Harden in a multi-player deal. This counters the move of the Milwaukee Brewers, who acquired CC Sabathia.
The Cubs also acquired Chad Gaudin for right-handed pitcher Sean Gallagher, outfielder Matt Murton, infielder Eric Patterson and catcher Josh Donaldson.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/1045631,harden070808.article
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Jul 8, 2008 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You go break it to Mr. Poppy. I can't.
There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.
by Poppy on Jul 8, 2008 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make me do all the dirty work.
"God doesn't pay attention to your cute little hypotheticals." -- Jeff from LL
by oblique on Jul 8, 2008 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so confused
"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.
by andeux on Jul 8, 2008 3:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Its got to be Vitters
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Jul 8, 2008 3:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope to god you are right.
"There's only one Ken Griffey ." Jay Bruce
by tresselfan on Jul 8, 2008 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN says Gaudin is involved too
Might as well Jump! - Van Halen
by sprtsnwyn on Jul 8, 2008 3:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
To me, this is a HORRIBLE deal
Procrastinators unite....tomorrow
by muffinpryde on Jul 8, 2008 3:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
holy crap
i think i just died
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Jul 8, 2008 3:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well this sounds fair
The Cubs also acquired Chad Gaudin for right-handed pitcher Sean Gallagher, outfielder Matt Murton, infielder Eric Patterson and catcher Josh Donaldson.
by nevermoor on Jul 8, 2008 3:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tom Tolbert is talking about it on KNBR.
What in the hell was Billy Thinking?????
by theblackpearl on Jul 8, 2008 3:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
..
Maybe this dead arm is something more serious?
by CoryC123 on Jul 8, 2008 3:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It's on front page now...multiple sources reporting
So, bring on Bonds! Or, not... then, bring back Langerhans!! -One won lost one
by baseballgirl on Jul 8, 2008 3:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So its Donldson and not Vitters as the PTBNL?
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Jul 8, 2008 3:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No Mention of a PTBNL (Or Two Deals)
This looks like we got hosed.
The Chicago Cubs have acquired pitcher Rich Harden from the Oakland Athletics in a six-player trade, a day after the rival Milwaukee Brewers landed CC Sabathia.The Cubs will receive the right-handed Harden and righty Chad Gaudin for pitcher Sean Gallagher, outfielders Matt Murton and Eric Patterson, and minor leaguer John Donaldson.
by nevermoor on Jul 8, 2008 3:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well.
Thanks. Nothing like the good ol’ FUCK MY DAY (at least) for the midseason, too, since doing it every offseason isn’t enough.
There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.
by Poppy on Jul 8, 2008 3:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I need a f*cking drink.
My religion is A'slamic.
by WhoNeedsReligionWhenYaGotBaseball on Jul 8, 2008 3:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, as long as we got an impact bat in the deal...
Oh, that’s right. We didn’t.
by jefeboy on Jul 8, 2008 3:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sean Gallagher
22 year old RHP
PECOTA hates him, they have him as a 1.5 WHIP / 5 ERA type player.
by nevermoor on Jul 8, 2008 3:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok I just read this.
We have to have gotten more for Harden!
by IM4Oakgal on Jul 8, 2008 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This deal would have sucked even if we kept Gaudin
I don’t get it AT ALL
by nevermoor on Jul 8, 2008 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It seems like a deal for Gaudin
ONLY. Not good enough for Harden.
by IM4Oakgal on Jul 8, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont understand
How does this move improve our team for the future or make us better today?
Patterson and Murton are not going to start in our outfield. Neither has any real plus power potential.
Gallagher is an above average arm in the national league and will be at best a slight upgrade over smith and eveland, the throw -ins in the Haren deal. And Donaldson is a project behind the plate, known for his offensive capabilities (which appear to have eluded him this season). Anything outside of Vitters coming back is a complete and utter disappointment. Billy knows what he’s doing, but I respectfully disagree with this deal.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Jul 8, 2008 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
Murton can contribute today, but not as a starter. We have way too many non-star OF already.
Unless Beane either has a follow up deal or thinks Gallagher is the next Dan Haren this is an AWFUL deal. How could we not at least get Vitters
by nevermoor on Jul 8, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't decided yet whether I'm going to cry or puke.
I think I’ll do both. Then I’ll go put on my Harden t-shirt and go to the game. Whee.
There's no textbook for how to treat a geriatric tapir.
by Poppy on Jul 8, 2008 3:52 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait....
So is there a PTBNL or what? I think this deal doesn’t even come close to Sabathia; there certainly isn’t a LaPorta involved even if Vitters is involved which it sounds like he is not. Color me way confused that Gaudin was involved in this. I could understand if it was just Harden. Do we put Gio or Gallagher in the rotation? AAAAAAAAAAAH!
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
by vignette17 on Jul 8, 2008 3:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ugh
I don’t get this deal. I don’t like it. I don’t think the A’s got enough in return. They gave up on the season by the looks of it and could have gotten better. Injured alot or not..people LOVE what rich has AND to add in chad. NOT COOL
by ilovegregsmith on Jul 8, 2008 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know.......
Cubs GM Jim Hendry is saying that it had to “hurt” to get Harden and Gaudin. I think he’s just being a gracious swindler. I’ve been wrong about Billy Beane’s trades before, but though the guy has made some great ones, he’s not infallible. Look at the Hudson deal. I think the thing that really bothers me is that the A’s really had a chance this season and now they’ve just blown it. This deal doesn’t have the same good feel that the Mark Mulder, Danny Haren and Nick Swisher deals had. I’d rather have taken my chance on Harden being healthy and have gotten nothing in returns than the seeming also-rans that we got. A former top prospect who is fast getting beyond the point where he’ll pan out, another outfielder who has no power (think Ryan Sweeney) and a guy who is hitting .217 at single A? I’m not getting this one at all. Does anyone see the up side to this trade?
by may7 on Jul 8, 2008 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a huge Beane fan...
But what a #@%$ joke, we GAVE them away…
by matt0177 on Jul 8, 2008 4:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't care for the deal
Hate the deal, though I’m confident it won’t turn out as bad as it feels right now. Gallagher will probably really develop working with the A’s staff. I’m not going to say he’s the next Dan Haren, but he does have that same kind of track record and ability upon arrival. He’s better than he’s being give credit for right now on AN.
The things that bother me are throwing in Gaudin and taking back Murton. I have a feeling that Murton is another Bobby Kielty that Beane fell in love with and completely overpaid for.
by 31Boots on Jul 8, 2008 8:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
PLEASE SAY IT AIN"T SO
So when did we give up on the season & become a minor league cub. Why root for the A’s anymore- I am so tired of good players going & we getting players that are great for a 3rd place team. I am tired of making the guys on the other side look good. I am tired of Billy’s scheme to make this team, that will never do anything but looks somewhat good- still hoping for the future. As a A’s fan for over 40 yrs., I am tired of rooting yr after yr. for a team that isn’t going anywhere & have no hope for the future- It’s been 20 years – 20 Years since we won a World Series. Please trade Billy, I can’t take it anymore
by goodguy on Jul 8, 2008 8:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Cubbie fan, came here to see what you all had to say
I admit I don’t know much about Gaudin. But I think that after the sting of the trade wears off, you guys will be pleasantly suprised by Gallagher, Murton and Patterson.
I honestly don’t think much of Gallagher, but Murton is a fine outfielder. He would be on the roster if it were not for Soriano in left. Patterson, steals alot of bases and can play 2nd or outfiled. But I thin he’s better as an outfielder. Not too big on Donaldson. He’s got to be a throw in.
It may not say much, but two or three of those guys (if you count Murton as a minor leaguer) are in the Cub’s top 10 minor league players.
Can't wait for the Cubs in '08!!!
by fuzzycubfan on Jul 9, 2008 7:57 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs fan - my take on the trade
In Chicago the radio guys are calling Beane “Billie Littlefield” (after Dave Littlefield who Jim Hendry fleeced mercilessly for guys like Aramis Ramirez and Kenny Lofton in exchange for Bobby Hill)
Everyone is stunned here that we got not only Hardin for these 4 guys – 1 of which we feel has any value at all in Gallagher and that is marginal – but also Gaudin.
Matt Murton is terrible defensively in the corner outfiled but could be a perrenial .300 hitter, contact guy, if only he would stop thinking he is a homerun hitter when he gets to the big leagues. He goes .350 in the minors then becomes a .250 hitter when called up because he overswings.
Eric patterson, well, we saw the original version in Corey. Speed guys who strike out 150 times per season but dont have the power to justify the K’s. Hes not shown anything with the glove and just had a huge gaffe vs the White Sox by letting a ground ball go through his legs….in the outfield…..
Donaldson is really an unknown at this point. Just 1 year into playing minor league ball, he was a 2nd round pick so he was highly thought of.
Gallagher should be a good #3/4 guy, if he really surprises people he could be a #2. I personally didnt see enough out of him to expect anything either way. Hes 22 years old and already in the bigs so thats a good sign. I personally think Shawn Marshall is a much better prospect and will be the Cubs #5 guy this year now.
All in all we wonder what the catch may be, the Harden injury issues are at the top of the conversation around here, wondering if Beane knows something. Though Drs have confirmed that he is solid right now.
by cubs2008 on Jul 9, 2008 10:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Terrible
Trade
The Time Is Now! Win Warriors Win!
by ballin on Jul 9, 2008 10:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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