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Monday Midnight Minors Musings: Inoa & Fremont A's Edition

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The national media has certainly made a huge deal out of the Michel/Michael Inoa signing in recent days. Even the non-baseball, traditional, mass-media outlets caught on (as I realized when my girlfriend mentioned to me that she read an article about it on the Yahoo News frontpage!) While the sour-pusses down in Arlington, Texas ponder filing a grievance about the A's violating the amateur signing rules to nab Inoa before the July 2nd negotiation period, the rest of the baseball world is largely lauding the move from the A's perspective and have glowing things to say about the 16-year old Dominican.

Kevin Goldstein at BP wrote a very encouraging piece last Friday titled "Michel Inoa 101" where he got the opinions of numerous scouts regarding Inoa. Some of the highlights:

"He's six-foot-seven and so young, you'd think he'd have a lot of moving parts, but that's just not the case. It sounds weird, but if you can say a kid that big has a compact delivery, I would. He has a medium leg kick and a quick arm. It suddenly comes out of his hand and it's friggin' 94." Another veteran scouting director called Inoa "the model of what you are looking for if you are evaluating young arms. It's a very nice combination of project and ‘now' stuff, which you just don't find down there."

That's fairly glowing, considering that the kid is only 16-years old, can already throw 94mph, has a feel for a curveball and a changeup and even threw a few split-fingered fastballs for one scout. Certainly, the kid's got enough just pure stuff and talent to make his ceiling astronomically high. As Goldstein and others point out later in the article:

A third scout had no real concerns, which is amazing for a 16-year-old, adding, "Look, if he doesn't make it, it's because he got hurt or something else out of Oakland's control—it's certainly not going to be because he sucks."

The article ends with a vague prediction of when Inoa might make it to the bigs, citing, ironically, the case of former Oakland draftee Jeremey Bonderman, who spent one year in the minors and then made his major league debut at age 19. Some scouts in the article suggest that Inoa could make it to the majors as a teenager (2011) since they mention that he could probably get Low-A level hitters out right now, but speculate that he'll probably need to make adjustments in High-A or Double-A and that a 2012/2013 debut is more likely. As for Beane, Baseball America cites the short-term development plan for Inoa:

The A's plan to have Inoa work at Oakland's Dominican complex in La Victoria for the rest of the year, working both on his pitching and learning English*. They will then consider whether to bring him to the U.S. in 2009. Beane and Owens plan to compare the development of other young pitchers and put together a plan for development. Farm director Keith Lieppman and Patters, the organization's pitching coordinator, will visit La Victoria to work with Inoa in the coming weeks.

So Inoa's development path is kind of "wait-and-see" at this time. At 16, with loads of potential and without a major league contract, the A's can afford to take their sweet time developing him. If I were a betting man, I'd guess we'd see him in an Oakland uniform late in 2012 or full time starting in 2013, after a 2009 of a little Instructional League and Rookie League time, a 2010 full season of Low-A pitching and then a 2011 of High-A action and a 2012 of Double-A/Triple-A season. Basically, he should be ready to be an Opening Day starter at Fremont.

*It's been revealed in other sources that in addition to teaching him English, the A's might permanently "Anglicize" his first name to "Michael" (My-kull) as opposed to keeping it ethnic with "Michel" (Mee-Shell). Sure, it makes him seem girlish, and mind you - I'm no political-correcting warrior - but I think keeping his name Michel will have an awesome reverse psychological effect on his opponents...just imagine major league hitters thinking, "This guy named Mee-Shell is going to try to get ME out? Yeah, right!" Bam! 95mph fastball, knee-buckling curveball, tumbling changeup. Strike Three.

 

 

Star-divide

Re-Examining the First Fremont Team

Since the minor league system has been totally revamped since the news of the A's reaching a preliminary agreement to build Cisco Field in Fremont, I thought I'd devote some time to giving an updated opinion of what I think the Opening Day roster will look like for when the A's eventually move into their new home (2012/2013). Here is what it would look like based purely on my own current projections:

Starters: Cahill/Inoa/Anderson/Gio/Simmons

Bullpen: Carignan/Demel/Henry Rodriguez

1B - Doolittle

2B - Weeks

SS - ?

3B - ?

LF - Swooney/Buck/Corey Brown

CF - Cunningham

RF - Cargon

C - Suzuki/Powell/Paramore

DH - Chris Carter

As you can see, the pitching staff and the outfield will likely be strong. The right side of the infield will be solid, but the left side of the infield would be anyone's guess. If Chavez ever gets healthy for an extended amount of time, I could see Billy working out a major hometown-discounted deal to keep Eric in Oakland until he retires. However, that won't happen anytime soon. And once Bobby goes in 2009, there will be a major hole at shortstop that almost certainly can't be plugged adequately from anyone currently in the system. If Beane goes in to sell mode in the next few weeks, look for him to nab at least one or two high-upside left-side of the infield players in the prospect packages he entertains.

Standout Performances

Back to the system at hand. Clearly, the most talked-about prospect so far this season in the A's system is Trevor Cahill and he has yet to disappoint, putting together another strong week.

RHP Trevor Cahill - Midland Rockhounds - 3-0, 1.89 ERA, 18-8 K-BB

After being brought down to earth in his second start in Midland, Cahill rebounded with a performance that certainly made the Founding Fathers proud back on the Nation's Birthday. The 20-year old went 8-innings, only allowed 2 hits, did not allow a run and struck-out 10 while issuing just 1 walk. Ridiculous. He now sports a 3.75 groundball-to-flyball ratio in his 19 innings in Midland and a .131 batting-average-against. He's certainly cementing himself as one of the best pitching prospects in the game.

CFer Aaron Cunningham - Midland Rockhounds - .304/.380/.480 - 7 homers, 27 RBIs

Cunningham certainly seems to be recovered from his wrist injuries of earlier this season. In the past 10 games, he's batting .447 with 2 homers, 2 stolen bases and 9 RBIs. His numbers are quite solid right now for a 22-year old in Double-A, and he's showing that "jack of all trades" side of himself with his well-rounded game. If he can keep the batting average up over .300 most of the season, and get the slugging up near .500 while convincing A's brass that he can stay at centerfield long-term, than you're probably looking at the Oakland A's center fielder of the not-so-distant future...especially if he can keep hitting line-drives at a ridiculous 25-percent clip!

SS Jason Christian - Vancouver Canadians - .350/.443/.533 - 2 homers, 9-17 BB-K

I'm making a conscious effort to mention one guy from Vancouver and one guy from the AZL A's this time around since I mentioned that I would last week. Christian, this year's 5th rounder out of U of Michigan, has been THE guy for Vancouver so far. In 18 games, Christian has 21 hits (6 of which have gone for extra bases) and is collecting his fair share of walks. He's been one of the few bright spots for an otherwise dismal Vancouver squad. Unfortunately, Christian has collected 10 errors already in his 18 games, prompting questions about his long-term future at short. The organization will probably keep him at short anyways for awhile to see if he can pick up the D while still swinging the hot stick, since the team isn't exactly bursting with infield talent.

SS Nino Leyja - AZL Athletics - .333 average, 6-7 BB-K ratio, 7 RBIs

I didn't want to list all of Nino's stats here since the season just started for the A's Rookie League team and drawing anything from a sample size of 39 at-bats is probably folly. However, I am very intrigued by this player. Nino, rather Marcelino,  was taken in the 15th round of this year's draft out of Houston Christian High School, where he starred with the bat. He signed quickly with Oakland and was on the AZL A's opening day roster. He's the hottest hitter on the team and he's only 17 and won't turn 18 until after the season is over! A kid that can already hit professional-level pitching at age 17 and has a chance to stay at short long-term is someone for us to keep our eyes on!

Injury News

RHP Tyson Ross - Bad news sports fans. Tyson has been shut-down indefinitely with a Harden-esque "right-shoulder strain". This seems to be the same injury that Tyson missed time with earlier this season with Cal, so I'd look for the A's to let Tyson rehab and then send him to Instructs this winter where the process of re-working his mechanics might be expedited.

OF Chris Denorfia - Denorfia has reportedly successfully rehabbed his balky back and is in Sacramento on his latest rehab stint. I liked Denofia's potential as a cheap 4th/5th outfielder that could play all 3 outfield positions capably, but he's basically missed like 2 entire years of development time with his various maladies and at this point, I don't really see how he would fit in with the big league team. Best of luck to Chris, and I'd love to see him have an impact with the A's at some point, but I see a DFA coming soon...

C Petey Paramore - After curiously being placed on the Vancouver Canadians' 60-day disabled list last week, Paramore has resurfaced on the AZL A's roster and has gotten himself into 3 games so far. Maybe he just wants to spend one last summer in party-town Tempe before starting off his serious career in somewhere cold and somber like Kane County or Vancouver...?

A's Prospects in the News

1. My personal favorite prospect watcher Kevin Goldstein gives Trevor Cahill top-billing in his Monday Ten Pack over at BP. He notes that Trevor's sinking fastball has been clocked as high as 94 as recently as last Friday and that his curveball remains well-above average. As for Gio Gonzalez, he notes the positives: Gio's up to 92-93 consistently with his fastball (touching 95 at times) to go along with his usual deadly curveball. However, his inconsistencies have been maddening to Kevin as well.

2. Interesting answer from Baseball America's Ben Badler in this weeks' Prospect Hot Sheet chat. A user asked if Corey Brown and Sean Doolittle were destined to become MLB stars or just above average or decent regular players due to the fact that they both strike out so much. Badler replied that the strikeouts a much bigger concern with Brown than they are with Doolittle since Sean is in the California League where free-swinging is encouraged and since this is Sean's first season as a bulked-up, permanent position player. 

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I wonder when the A's will promote Doolittle, Carter and Brown?

They each seem ready for the next level.

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by Zonis on Jul 8, 2008 12:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Serious question

How positive is everybody that Inoa is legitimately 16? It just almost seems impossible that he’s so young, so big, so far along in his development, etc. I’m not saying I think he’s 25 or anything, but I just get this feeling he’s really 18 or 19 right now. Otherwise, he might be the LeBron James of pitching.

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by thejd44 on Jul 8, 2008 12:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I read somewhere

that Beane had “no doubt” that his listed age was correct and I trust his judgement.

"Their batters are patient to the point that it's annoying." -Ryan Franklin

by Helloooo 1st on Jul 8, 2008 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Others have said this...

Things is… If he’s actually 18 or 19 it’s not clear at all whether we should be happy or glum about that. It would hasten his potential arrival in Oakland and reduce the (high) chance that he gets injured along the way. His stuff compares to the best 18-19 year-olds, so it would be perfectly dandy if he were actually that age.

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by mikeA on Jul 8, 2008 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

there has been so much attention on Inoa

that I imagine it would be difficult to get a fake birth certificate accepted. In cases like Tejada’s for example, the story is that a scout advised him that he’d be more enticing if baseball clubs thought he was two years younger. Tejada wasn’t exactly front page news before signing, so it wouldn’t have been that hard to produce a fake birth certificate (which is apparently what he did). Also, in Casilla’s case, he used the birth certificate of his friend Jairo.

Inoa comes from a more well to do family than did Tejada. Inoa’s parents are recognized athletes with a fair amount of media attention even before their son became famous. All of that would make it more difficult to fake Inoa’s age.

by OaklandSi on Jul 8, 2008 4:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, since the DR gets so much benefit from MLB signings

They’ve apparently been working on improving birth certificate accuracy.

by nevermoor on Jul 8, 2008 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and Geneva (where the Cougars play) is an hour from Chicago

Not exactly a horrible place to be.

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by thejd44 on Jul 8, 2008 12:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Michel

It just hits me wrong, for some reason, that the A’s are supposedly encouraging the kid to change his name. I don’t really care that much, but it seems like we ought to be past “Anglicizing” Latin names.

by bear88 on Jul 8, 2008 1:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed...

No one can handle even a whiff of Frenchness…

I would gladly change my name (or its pronunciation) for millions of dollars, but I’d rather not otherwise, and this doesn’t seem necessary.

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by mikeA on Jul 8, 2008 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad someone . . . .

. . . mentioned this, and I absolutely agree that it’s both wrong and unnecessary. I can’t think of a single reason the A’s would encourage him to do it. The game has taken on such a refreshing international flavor, with players from all over the globe (with names reflecting their heritage and culture) that this strikes me as an exceptionally backward viewpoint, something I’m very disappointed to find in my hometown team. I also recognize that this is only speculation. Blez, would you please make a point to ask BB about this during your next interview if you see fit?

"Life without geometry has no point"

by camperdog on Jul 8, 2008 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even though hitters have seemed to like hitting against Dana,

I agree – stick with mee-SHELL. It’s your name. But be more like Pettitte than Francouer, s’il vous plait.

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by Nico on Jul 8, 2008 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so should I go back to my original username?

bouledesinge

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by monkeyball on Jul 8, 2008 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree, leave his name alone

we got enough Michael people around, compared to “Michel”. I know two women who use “Mike-El”, so where is this helping??

I think the American-dominated baseball world can use some broadening. Did they tell Jackie Robinson to use “Jack Robinson” because “Jackie” sounds like “Jacki”?? And he was in a much higher-profile position in a less-accepting time.

With this contract, anyone makes fun of him, he can just roll up a few hundred dollar bills and shove it down their big mouth.

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by One won lost won on Jul 8, 2008 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I checked with Michel Urban and he agrees

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by Nico on Jul 8, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's Mychel to you

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by PaulThomas on Jul 8, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How does the kid pronounce his own name?

One thing is the spelling the other is the pronunciation. He could spell it Michel but everyone has always called him “My-Kull” so it would make sense to change the spelling and avoid confusion. I’m sure he and his parents are weighing on this matter.

by zerkmxl on Jul 8, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spelling v. pronunciation

If he calls himself “Michael,” I understand some of the A’s logic, although I think people could adjust.

I haven’t seen a detailed explanation of the name thing, but the impression I’ve gotten is that the A’s were encouraging the kid to call himself, “Michael,” which implies that his current name isn’t just spelled differently, but pronounced differently. I could be wrong, though.

by bear88 on Jul 8, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From a Scout.com Article About the Press Conference in the Dominican Introducing Inoa:
He has been referred to as both Michel [pronounced Michelle] and Michael. What pronunciation will he be using going forward?

Beane: "That’s a good question because before the press conference I wanted to be sure. I have called him both myself and his representatives have called him both. I actually got two answers today. I asked Raymond, and he said the Spanish pronunciation was "Michelle" but then I asked Edgar Mercedes, who is the representative down there, and he said "Michael," so I think it is a case of "you say tomato, I say tomato." [laughing] But he has been going by Michael, it seems. But that will be a question that I will ask him point-blank to find out what he prefers."


Maybe they won’t force the name change down his throat after all?

by Taj Adib on Jul 8, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope Inoa is more decisive than Chavez

otherwise this is gonna take awhile. They better get Roy Steele involved sooner rather than later.

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by batgirl on Jul 8, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whichever he prefers is what matters

but there’s no need to change the spelling to match. Though, let’s face it, it doesn’t matter because ESPN & Fox will call him Larry.

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by DMOAS on Jul 8, 2008 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we should change it to ...

True Blue or shall we say ” Azul Verdadero”

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by Gerard on Jul 8, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why exactly is Doolittle a better bet than Barton?

Is Cunningham’s defense really good enough to play CF, aside from the first year or two of his career?

by WaddellCanseco on Jul 8, 2008 5:34 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Doolittle

I would speculate that it’s because he has more power and better defense earlier on in his career.

Sometimes life will strike you out on a curve ball and the only choice you have is to flip off the umpire and walk to first base anyway.

by Threepwood XX on Jul 8, 2008 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not really earlier in his career

when you consider that Doolittle is like 6 months younger than Barton. Or something like that, I forget their exact ages.

Me, I’m not selling Barton short. He’s struggled in his first big league season, but struggling in the bigs is usually better than dominating the minors and other top prospects have had similarly disappointing production in their first few years. He may not have the upside of Chris Carter but I think he’s far more likely to be on the A’s 2012 team.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 8, 2008 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I listed Doolittle ahead of Barton on my proposed Fremont A's team...

not because he’s a “better” bet than Barton, but simply because of the time frame involved. I still have faith that Barton will be a productive major league hitter at some point in the near future, however, he’s already in the bigs and will be eligible for arbitration, as of now, after the 2010 season, well before the Fremont Stadium is likely to open. Whether or not Barton will be worth what he’s going to be paid in arbitration remains to be seen, but by 2010 Doolittle will likely be more than major league ready and will likely be in his 1st year in the bigs. It’s purely economics for me…and, you know, the fact that Doolittle is bigger and stronger than Barton and plays better defense is also a consideration. But mainly because Doolittle will likely be “more bang for the buck” come 2012/2013 than barton likely would be.

Everything I’ve read from the organization, yeah I know it’s biased but whatever, says that the A’s brass think that Cunningham has the chops to stick at center. When he was first acquired, A’s brass compared him to Aaron Rowand in that he isn’t lightening quick, but has great instincts and gets good reads.

by Taj Adib on Jul 8, 2008 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

for the 40-man roster spot....

however, it’s not likely that BB will give up on him quite yet. He was fascinated with him for years and paid nearly $2 million to get him from the Reds, correct me if I’m wrong. I think he has at least until next year to prove that he has some value.

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by athleticsBB4life on Jul 8, 2008 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"correct me if i'm wrong"

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by Hot Cup Joe on Jul 8, 2008 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're wrong, Hot Cup Joe -

which is to say, you’re right!

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by Nico on Jul 8, 2008 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, unless he proves to be chronically unhealthy,

and basically misses the entire year, I think he has at least through spring of next year to show well.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 8, 2008 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What happened to Anderson in his start for Midland...

last night? I noticed he was taken out in the 4th inning for no apparent reason.

Any news?

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by athleticsBB4life on Jul 8, 2008 8:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

somebody noted in another post

was purely a pitch count thing.

by oakinboston on Jul 8, 2008 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitch count and b/c

of the futures game he’s pitching in later.

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by DMOAS on Jul 8, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

how serious is the potential grievance?

prior to Oakland’s deal, I recall the Yankees being upset because they thought they had a deal. It sounds like this kind of thing is typical for prospects in demand. Would Texas have a leg to stand on?

by sarchasmic on Jul 8, 2008 8:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Texas has a Grieve but no grievance

I’m sure the A’s were careful.

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by Nico on Jul 8, 2008 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only if they could prove that actual dollars figures were agreed to before July 2nd.

Which would be very difficult to do. Even if they got someone in Inoa’s camp to say, “We would’ve signed with Texas if we knew they were going to offer that much,” is kind of precarious. I doubt that any rock-solid proof can be obtained showing that the A’s violated the rules in that way. This could just be due-diligence by Texas making sure that Major League Baseball gives them the benefit of the doubt in their future endeavors in Latin America…kind of like when a manager goes out to argue balls and strikes or bang-bang plays at 1st on behalf of his players.

by Taj Adib on Jul 8, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The whole system is essentially a joke

The Giants have been known to have a deal with Rafael Rodriguez for quite some time now, and he still isn’t eligible to sign because he hasn’t turned 16 yet.

Bud Selig sure loves him some corrupt pseudo-reforms. The guy is like a Tammany Hall politician.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 8, 2008 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say

that he is of a purer form of evil than Tammany Hall (along the lines of a type-IV demon, say), but I respect the analogy.

Fortunately, this is his age-28 year: his killing productivity is likely to decline. Impressive range, though. -Monkeyball

by Leopold Bloom on Jul 8, 2008 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Selig would probably

be pretty satisfied with the Tammany analogy. He has managed to impose a rough order on a world of greedy, acquisitive characters – no work stoppages on his watch, revenues up, acceleration of baseball globalization, ped issues tamped down – and if some damned moralizing reformers want to complain, well, screw ‘em if they can’t t ake a joke.

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by Hot Cup Joe on Jul 8, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the better analogy is Mayor Daly

Benevolent Dictatorships are the best form of government (so long as the dictator chooses to be benevolent).

I certainly prefer him to David “My Friends want the NBA in OKC, let’s do it” Stern

by nevermoor on Jul 8, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get the feeling

that if I had, say, a room full of bodies that needed to disappear, Stern would be preferable to Selig. In fact, he might be the first phone call.

Fortunately, this is his age-28 year: his killing productivity is likely to decline. Impressive range, though. -Monkeyball

by Leopold Bloom on Jul 8, 2008 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

QOTM!

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by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 8, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

aside from the whole charismatic-leader-on-the-balcony aspect ...

... I’d say Seligula is positively Mussoliniesque.

... arousing men to burst the chains under which monkeyish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves ... @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 8, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

[Picturing

Buddy in military cap and bondage leather drag leading crowd in YMCA salute from the top of the dugout in Milwaukee County Stadium….]

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by Hot Cup Joe on Jul 8, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you mean...

Sign early and sign often?

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by Gerard on Jul 8, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't upgrade Selig to Tammany Hall status!

He’s a car salesman, and successfully did it and made a ton of money. Automatically, this indicates (1) complete lack of moral philosophy (2) money dictates everything (3) never review the past, other than to promote the future (new model year hype) (4) Refute all criticisms as conspiratorily-based, and all hints at conspiracy as mere idle cheap criticism.

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by One won lost won on Jul 8, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just tell Texas, "That's for stealing Fuson."

link

The A’s did not receive any player compensation in their tampering grievance against the Texas Rangers, according to a source close to the Rangers. Major League Baseball handed down its decision Monday.

According to the source, the Rangers were fined an undisclosed amount of cash. The A’s were instructed not to comment on the decision, according to A’s spokesman Jim Young. The Rangers also had no comment.

The A’s filed the grievance after the Rangers hired former A’s scouting director Grady Fuson as their assistant general manager in November. Fuson originally interviewed as a candidate for the vacant Texas GM job while still under contract with the A’s.

I remember the A’s asking for either Teixeira or Blalock. Wouldn’t that have been fun?

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by salb918 on Jul 8, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

an interesting but violent conversation

about Cahill at http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/6/16/552848/controversial-prospect-tre

Roughly speaking, everyone thinks he’s at least a #3 starter, but there are questions whether he can make people miss in the majors. He’ll keep his great ground ball ratio, but if he can also keep a good K rate, he may become an ace.

by Apricot on Jul 8, 2008 8:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Apricot!!!!

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by Nico on Jul 8, 2008 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plum!!!

This game is easy.

Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.

by salb918 on Jul 8, 2008 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry!

The correct answer was Arbuckle Green. Now you have to pay the penalty

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by salb918 on Jul 8, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mornington Crescent

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by andeux on Jul 8, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the world of baseball's overanalysis of MPH has gotten crazy
Although his velocity has picked up some (hitting 93 MPH at times this year), he still works mostly in the 89-92 range

1: What are the odds that a number of different radar guns can accurately tell the difference between 92 and 93.

2: What are the odds that a “93 MPH” fastball doesn’t slow to 92 before it gets to the catcher’s mitt due to friction

3: What are the odds a hitter can reliably tell the difference between a pitch clocked at 92 and one clocked at 93.

Can’t we just say “He has a low-90s fastball” and get on with our lives?

Note: this is not directed at anyone on this site, I just think it’s about as silly as football’s hundreths of seconds at the combines.

by nevermoor on Jul 8, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can answer #2: zero

A typical pitch slows down by almost 10 mph from the time it leaves a pitcher’s hand to its arrival at the plate.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 8, 2008 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

Which suggests to me that radar readings are as much about where the gun catches the ball as anything else

by nevermoor on Jul 8, 2008 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tried all the same arguments

in regards to radar guns, but the judge still upheld the speeding ticket.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 8, 2008 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously you missed "Zeno's Paradox"

http://mathforum.org/isaac/problems/zeno1.html

This will befuddle any judge!!

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jul 8, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

On the other hand, if you have 20 readings, and 16 of them say the ball is 89-92, 2 of them say it’s 83, and 2 of them say it’s 109, I think you can tell pretty well what the real velocity is.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 8, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you're talking to the Cubs' GM,

it’s 109!!!!!!!!!!! If you’re at the arbitration table, it’s 83.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 8, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the shame of the situation is

that you might be believed in both places!

"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams

by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 8, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brett Hunter

Interesting article regarding A’s 7th round pick – Brett Hunter

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=383

Hunter was draft eligible this year, and before a spring arm injury, alternately described as anything from a blister to forearm sorness, he projected to be a first-rounder possessing one of the best arms in the 2008 class. However, Hunter fell to the seventh round where the A’s scooped him up, and is now considered one of the more interesting summer follows of the class. Before the injury Hunter was hitting 100 mph with his fastball in short stints and sitting in the mid-90s as a starter, but he has yet to get back to that type of consistent velocity. The A’s were on hand, including scouting director Eric Kubota, to evaluate Hunter’s first start for Team USA on Saturday.

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by athleticsBB4life on Jul 8, 2008 9:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Will the A's give him 1st rd. bonus $ to keep him?.....

if they don’t, he’ll definitely go back in the draft

"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane

by athleticsBB4life on Jul 8, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he proves he's healthy then he's worth a high bonus.

If not, he’s probably better off going back in the draft. I don’t know whether he’d need first round money though. Wouldn’t he be a fifth year senior next year?

by WaddellCanseco on Jul 8, 2008 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so

Baseballcube says he’s currently 21y/o, which is normal for a college junior.

It’s a tough task for the A’s scouting staff. They need to determine whether he’s going to regain his lost velocity or whether it’s a lost cause. If he’s throwing 97 MPH cheese by the 15th, it’s a no-brainer, but if he’s still low-90s? Pretty tough call.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 8, 2008 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weeks may sign today

According to Slusser:

Weeks likely to sign today: The A’s are close to coming to terms with their top pick (12th overall) in the June draft, University of Miami second baseman Jemile Weeks, and they could announce that he has signed as soon as today, according to several sources.

Weeks, who is the younger brother of Milwaukee’s Rickie Weeks, will get a signing bonus in the $2 million range.

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by athleticsBB4life on Jul 8, 2008 9:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Just great, great stuff

Taj, and I LOVE your take on not anglicizing his name. That’s right, b*%$#, Michelle just struck you out.

Fortunately, this is his age-28 year: his killing productivity is likely to decline. Impressive range, though. -Monkeyball

by Leopold Bloom on Jul 8, 2008 9:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"Michelle, Mabelle"

“These are words that go together well”.........

Nice post Taj. Keep up the goods mate!

Go A’s!

by mrod on Jul 8, 2008 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be the best celebration music ever

If you’re the other team, I think you’d have to just cry.

by nevermoor on Jul 8, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to OaklandClubhouse.com:

The A’s signed their 6th round pick (Tyrease House – OF) and also signed two more International free agents. Does anyone know who the International guys are?

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by athleticsBB4life on Jul 8, 2008 9:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If he doesn't work out as a hitter,

he could always become our trainer and tackle those impossible to diagnose ailments.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 8, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please explain

Is this another of the numerous AN in-jokes or am I missing something really obvious?

Root for the Giants? Not even if they're playing al-Qaeda!

by Monday Fan on Jul 8, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is?

Oh, now my joke is even funnier.

I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal

by Nico on Jul 8, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is?

"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.

by andeux on Jul 8, 2008 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Funniest Nico joke since I created an account. (non-sheep division)

by nevermoor on Jul 8, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, it's more of a Lookout Landing in-joke

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by PaulThomas on Jul 8, 2008 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

House

is playing his first game for the AZL A’s today.

"May a nit suck Cajun geese?" wonders Red. No, we see gnu Jack Cust in a yam.

by andeux on Jul 8, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

J.D. Pruitt is back in action

Somehow he appears to have only been hit by one pitch in the first 12 games he’s played. Disappointing.

On the other hand, he has a 14:4 walk to strikeout ratio, so maybe the pitchers just aren’t coming anywhere near him.

I see Michael Madsen pitched a rehab inning in Arizona the other day. I gather he was injured earlier in the year—perhaps the dreaded shoulder strain again.

Rashun Dixon has 3 home runs in 43 at bats. He also has 20 strikeouts. I sense long hours forthcoming in instructional league and extended spring spent turning him from an athlete into an actual baseball player. Well, Rome wasn’t built in a day.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 8, 2008 10:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah,

I was wondering what he’d been doing since Kill Bill 2.

Fortunately, this is his age-28 year: his killing productivity is likely to decline. Impressive range, though. -Monkeyball

by Leopold Bloom on Jul 8, 2008 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny,

I would’ve made the reference to Duchovny… http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0196229/

by dscel on Jul 8, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't he hand model of the year

1974?

Fortunately, this is his age-28 year: his killing productivity is likely to decline. Impressive range, though. -Monkeyball

by Leopold Bloom on Jul 8, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a hand model, mama!

We don’t think like those “face and body” boys.

"The painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me." -Wedding Crashers

by notsellingjeans on Jul 8, 2008 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, another thing I noticed

So far Juston Street is beating Ryan Doolittle in the Battle of the Lesser Siblings.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 8, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the Monday Minor Musing

I know you put alot of time and effort into it. I always check the site to see when its up. Anyone know what the A’s plan to do with Carter? Is he still playing 1st base, the outfield or both? Anyone know the status of Desme? As a big fan of Cal Poly I was look forward to seeing what he can do. He’s not getting any younger and hasn’t played but a couple of pro games thus far.

by asfaninpismobeach on Jul 8, 2008 12:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Carter has been playing some third base

Personally, I’m not optimistic.

Desme is listed on the roster for the AZL Athletics but hasn’t played any games there (or anywhere).

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by PaulThomas on Jul 8, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Def not 3B.

Wes Bankston is a useful major leaguer right now. I think Carter’s got a better chance of being better than him.

by Taj Adib on Jul 8, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The latter

He’s what he is as a hitter. Giant dude, takes a huge swing, hits it a long way when he connects. I understand why the A’s got him. It’s difficult to acquire plus-plus power. Maybe he’ll work out, maybe he won’t.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 8, 2008 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Kansas City is a seller at the deadline???

We could get Teahen back! St. Mary’s, good with the glove, ousted from 3rd base by “Georg

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jul 8, 2008 1:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Windows Vista shut down my keyboard

I was going to say, Alex Gordon is installed at 3rd, perhaps the Athletics could get Mark Teahen back. I suppose he’s a competent outfielder, but not outstanding. A RH hitter and good defender.

"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer

by One won lost won on Jul 8, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure where else to post this

but I came across this site for draft picks, whether they are signed, and how much they signed for:

http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/draft/2008/bonuses/signing_bonuses_08.aspx

Had not seen this posted before, and had been looking for something like it, so for those that had not seen it, enjoy.

by AsFanInLA on Jul 8, 2008 3:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

HARDEN TRADED ON ESPN NOW!!!!

"I was right and you were wrong." - Ray Fosse

by kbtoyz on Jul 8, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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