A "Makeshift" Lineup And A 17-Hit Attack
With a lineup that just keeps getting more and more “makeshift” by the minute, the A’s banged out 17 hits – three each by Wes Bankston and Emil Brown – and beat one of the AL’s better pitchers in Mark Buehrle. If nothing else, you have to admire the A’s spirit in facing adversity.
Jack Cust showed signs of life, as the streaky Cust homered for the second day in a row (giving the A’s a 2-0 lead in the 4th) and got hits both times he made contact. Donnie Murphy continued to provide a timely spark with a pair of RBI hits and a sparkling play at SS while the game was still close. Kurt Suzuki’s bunt single, Ryan Sweeney’s “you wanna pitch to me?” RBI single following an IBB to Ellis, and Bankston’s two double, first-major-league-RBI night were among countless highlights on a night when the A’s looked, on paper, to be the underdog.
Joe Blanton was outstanding, tossing 7 innings on a season-high 119 pitches and limiting the heavy-hitting White Sox to a single run. During a stretch where 17-hit attacks figure to be few and far between, it would be huge if the A’s could get Blanton going. Apparently, his game plan was to mix up the speed of his breaking pitches the second/third times through the order, and the approach worked well. Meanwhile, despite his success against the rest of the league, Mark Buehrle is now 3-11 lifetime against Oakland.
One note, as the A’s had Ellis thrown out at the plate in the 3rd with the score still 0-0…In the past week, 3rd base coach Tony DeFrancisco has made the wrong call twice on whether or not to send Ellis, holding him up in the 1-0 loss to Lincecum and the Giants and sending him tonight. Along with the other contextual considerations, such as on-deck hitter, opposing pitcher, and number of outs, Tony D would be wise to consider strongly whether or not the outfielder does, or doesn’t, have to range to his left/right to field the ball. Fred Lewis had to range to his left last Saturday, which is why he had no play at the plate, while tonight Jermaine Dye was able to set up to throw as he fielded Sweeney’s hit – if Tony D pays closer attention to this factor in making his split-second decision, he is more likely to get the next one right. And it would be a good idea, because you wouldn’t know it tonight but the A’s are going to need every run they can get.
Final Notes...Congratulations to our own Brad Ziegler, who now holds the Oakland A's record by starting his career with 16 scoreless innings...Carlos Gonzalez left the game with a "tight hamstring," so look for Mirrors to start in the OF tomorrow (because we didn't sign Smoak).
BREAKING NEWS: Steve Chitren has just pitched a scoreless inning 18 years ago, extending his record streak to 16.1 IP, not 15.1 IP as widely reported by the media. Ziggy will have to get two more outs before he can make Oakland history.
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Trevor Cahill, so far...
7 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 K’s, 85 Pitches…Happy fourth of July!
by sourstuff on Jul 4, 2008 7:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
more Cahill
8 innings now, 10 K’s, 98 pitches (everything else the same). It remains to be seen if they will let him go out for the CGSO. He’s struck out five of the last seven batters.
by sourstuff on Jul 4, 2008 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eight was it
final line: 8 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 10 K’s
by sourstuff on Jul 4, 2008 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
..and Jose Garcia finishes it out with 2 Ks, continuing a nice start
On the downside, Brett Anderson missed a start for unknown reasons…
The A's colors are green and gold.
by mikeA on Jul 4, 2008 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole Midland rotaio was F'ed up.
Anderson set to pitch on Sunday I believe. They had to reconfigure the rotation to get then in line for futures game.
When will then be now? Soon.
by Syphon on Jul 4, 2008 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if the A's are going to let either of those guys pitch for the Olympic team
They’ve certainly got the qualifications, there’s no question about that. And it would be a nice “showing the flag” gesture for the franchise. But on the other hand, they’re probably on innings limits and I don’t know that the A’s will want to cede control of their prospects to an outside entity any more than they have to.
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by PaulThomas on Jul 5, 2008 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony D really need to improve on
his call at third base. His decision in a close game could be the difference between W and L.
by javaball on Jul 4, 2008 7:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tony D is in a real slump right now
I can’t remember when I’ve seen a runner thrown out by as much as Ellis was tonight – he must have been 20 feet from the plate when Pieceofshitsky got the ball. I knew he’d be out as soon as I saw Ellis just reaching 3rd base at the same time Dye was picking up the ball in shallow right field with his momentum entirely toward home plate. If ever there was a no-brainer hold, this was it.
Tony D may have been overcompensating for his recent mistakes – not just the no-send of Ellis that Nico refers to, but also the one where Rajai Davis ran through a stop sign and scored easily, which made the stop sign look silly. But if the third base coach loses confidence in his actual perceptions and starts basing his call relative to his earlier fuckups, that’s a problem.
No such thing as a “relief” third base coach when the starter goes through a cold spell, is there? Because while no one gets it right every time, Tony D has completely lost the feel and has been just grossly, not-even-in-the-ballpark wrong way too frequently lately. He’s on his way to being the Emil Brown or Barry Zito (2008 version) of third base coaches – below replacement level.
by Faust on Jul 4, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with everything you say, but I trust the A's
to make adjustments and do the necessary prep, and I gather Tony D will be just fine.
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so
And I’m not asserting otherwise at this point… but this has been a way more glaring set of errors than you usually see from a 3rd base coach. Most of the time, when those guys make a decision that doesn’t work out, their decisions are fairly close and at least arguable, not just flagrantly wrong. Let’s hope it’s curable, not a third-base-coach verson of Steve Sax disease.
by Faust on Jul 4, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps a depth perception eye test.
alaska A
by ak_A on Jul 4, 2008 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony D has made bad calls throughout the season
and I remember once Geren even shielded him and put the blame on the player. It doesn’t look like he is learning from his previous mistakes though.
by javaball on Jul 4, 2008 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3B coaches are like umpires -
you only notice them when they make a mistake. The A’s are one of the best prepared teams in baseball – we should just be so lucky that Tony D has enough chances to make mistakes waving guys home!
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he had to make those mistakes,
I’d rather him be more aggressive than waste a scoring opportunity.
by javaball on Jul 4, 2008 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed - hoping Dye throws offline or that
A.J. doesn’t catch the ball cleanly is more likely than the chance that Cust makes contact off of Lincecum. Often, good things happen when you make a team throw you out at the plate. Rarely do good things happen when the A’s hold guys up at third.
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. Not this time.
Not when Dye is picking the ball up just a few feet into the outfield grass. The throw could have been way offline and AJ could still have got back to make the tag – it would have taken something akin to an error for the Sox not to have made that play. It was a gimme. There’s a difference between “aggressive” and “ridiculous.”
And Cust wasn’t up next, and… what the heck is Lincecum doing in this discussion? You’re not getting confused like the Hawk, are you? (In the first inning, Harrelson allowed as to how the A’s were 5 games behind the Dodgers. Then he gave the Dodgers-Giants score, just to prove that he really did mean the Dodgers and not the Angels. Of course nobody said a word to correct this particular howler – I mean, how the hell does a long-time professional announcer get confused about which league is which? What an idiot.)
by Faust on Jul 4, 2008 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just comparing this play to
holding Ellis at third in the Lincecum game (when he could have scored so easily that Fred Lewis lobbed the ball into second, conceding the run). Both decisions were boneheaded, but at least this time the intent was to be aggressive.
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK
I agree I prefer reckless boneheadedness to chickenshit boneheadedness, but what I really prefer is that varieties of boneheadedness not be the only things on the menu.
by Faust on Jul 4, 2008 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah - I didn't realize "getting it right' was an option
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See: Ebel, Dino
This guy had one of the worst years ever. I remember wondering how he kept his job but, then again, the Angels have a different philosophy.
Was Black Snake Moan a comedy or a drama?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 4, 2008 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure that's true.
Didn’t a lot of us recognize how good Wash was there, even when he didn’t make any mistakes? I know I did.
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by iglew on Jul 4, 2008 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a fielding coach, but Wash often
sent runners “too aggressively” – except when they made it in which case it was “awesome aggressiveness”.
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by Nico on Jul 5, 2008 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I found it easy to forgive a lot of Washington’s aggressive mistakes because they seemed like reasonable gambles. My impression (which could be wrong) is that he was a lot more inclined to send runners home with two outs. If he holds the runner, the next batter would typically have a 25%-30% chance of getting a hit to bring him home. Add in the possibility of a wild pitch, passed ball, balk, or error and we’re looking at what, maybe 35%?
Compare that to the chances the outfielder will make an accurate long throw to the plate (maybe with a relay catch and throw) that the catcher can handle. With the exception of very slow runners and elite outfield arms, I’ll take a WAG that the runner going home has at least a 50% chance of scoring. Even if the runner is thrown out, I find it acceptable.
Of course, if it were a sharp single to Ichiro with Dan Johnson running, Frank Thomas on deck, and Ryan Franklin on the mound, I wouldn’t have been so anxious to see Washington waving Johnson home.
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by Monday Fan on Jul 5, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One can't blame Tony D if he's a bit skeptical
about guys getting home from third if they’re held with 0 or 1 out, but last night was clearly a mistake and I’m sure he knows it.
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by Nico on Jul 5, 2008 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I think you’re right. It was a pretty short throw and the outfielder came up with it quickly.
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by Monday Fan on Jul 5, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dye's rep??
Dye’s rep is that he has a strong arm. But is he accurate?
Perhaps “accuracy” went into Tony D’s thinking….
..considering it was “early in the game”, they may have discussed the throws and accuracies of the outfielders, and unless Dye got a glowing report…especially if Dye got a negative! “accuracy” nod, Tony might have thought it was a good gamble….early in the game.
Personally, I had no trouble with it…esp after seeing Seattle send a runner from first home on a single!!
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by One won lost won on Jul 5, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A wild one going on in Colorado
combined 29 runs
by javaball on Jul 4, 2008 8:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
17-16 now
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by Flashfire on Jul 4, 2008 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow - the altitude must be blowing out
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was there ever a game where a team scored at least one run in every inning?
by javaball on Jul 4, 2008 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I don't know offhand about both teams
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's happened before, yeah.
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by Flashfire on Jul 4, 2008 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball Digest
ran a story about a run scored in every inning of a game. Something like six to ten teams have done it, but not the A’s.
"I never predict anything, and I never will." Paul Gascoigne, English footballer
by One won lost won on Jul 4, 2008 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We discussed this in one of the game threads just this week.
I was going to give you a link, but … is something wrong with the AN3 search function?? I can’t get it to do anything. No matter what I type it just says,
Sorry, we couldn’t execute your search query. Please try again.
:-(
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by iglew on Jul 4, 2008 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe SBN's servers are hosted in Illinois?
He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 5, 2008 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Found it
Discussion here.
Search function still wonky for me. Some searches work and some don’t.
And I have no idea what you mean about Illinois.
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by iglew on Jul 5, 2008 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no executions
He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 5, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
anticipating a walk-off win for the Rockies
by javaball on Jul 4, 2008 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atkins drives home Barmes to tie it at 17 in the 9th.
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by Flashfire on Jul 4, 2008 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would not be a happy camper...
if the A’s scored 17 and LOST.
Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows
by Jennifer on Jul 4, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and Colorado was down 13-4.
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by Flashfire on Jul 4, 2008 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The AN server would crash.
Mark Ellis: sent down from Heaven to rob Evil of hits and hand out rainbows
by Jennifer on Jul 4, 2008 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was not very happy when the A's lost 17-16 in Texas
Walls were punched. Dogs were kicked. ASPCA personnel were paid off.
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they win
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by Flashfire on Jul 4, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know there is a big problem with your pitching and defense
when you scored 17 runs and lost
by javaball on Jul 4, 2008 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or something wrong with the opposing team's stadium
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like the ball humidifier broke
The very first pitch was hit for a home run…the announcers said Hanley Ramirez “rolled over on it” yet still hit it out.
A couple of others were hit so far, they nearly left the stadium! Crushed!!
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by One won lost won on Jul 4, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And to think Maicer Itzuris wasn't even in the lineup
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're Matt Holliday
Doesn’t your 2 HR effort feel a bit tainted because, well, there were 8 hit. I mean he’s probably feeling pretty great since he scored the winning (and 35th) run, but I’d kind of prefer my 2 HR games set me apart from Spilborghs
by nevermoor on Jul 4, 2008 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a couple of shots from that game
A diary on this is forthcoming.

Relax, Ozzie, at least you can have a beer after the game.

Rockies celebrate their second straight walk-off win, 18-17. High altitude + high temperatures = high scoring
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by doctorK on Jul 5, 2008 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gio's pitching a decent game so far tonight....
Sac up 4-0…Gio 4 IP, 0 ER, 4 k, 1 BB
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by athleticsBB4life on Jul 4, 2008 8:06 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"Decent" you say?
That line of 5 0 0 0 2 5, only 60 pitches thrown through 5, looks pretty sweet.
by Faust on Jul 4, 2008 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That guy's more Jekyll and Hyde
than E. Santana was last year.
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what we want is for that particular analogy to continue
Gio does next year what E Santana is doing this year.
by Faust on Jul 4, 2008 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okey dokey!
But with better hair.
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I missed it...who's mirrors?
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 4, 2008 8:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Whatzisname from the triple a team
someone came up with this clever moniker in a game thread….
"...in baseball you wear a cap." -- george carlin
by Hot Cup Joe on Jul 4, 2008 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, not much help
I get the “smoak and mirrors” pun, but I still have no idea who Mirrors is. Rajai? Swooney? Buck?
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by iglew on Jul 4, 2008 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check out the Padres-Dbacks game, too...
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 8:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Drew doubles with 2 out in the 6th. Baek's no-no is no more.
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by Flashfire on Jul 4, 2008 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
time for them to score some runs for Haren
by javaball on Jul 4, 2008 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No! I want 78 wins to take the division
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The anemic hitting Dbacks meet the equally anemic hitting Padres
it’s a shame. Haren pitched a great game and couldn’t get a win
by javaball on Jul 4, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great game for the A's
A’s own the Sox!!
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by One won lost won on Jul 4, 2008 8:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Chris Carter is playing 3rd base for Stockton tonight.
by theblackpearl on Jul 4, 2008 8:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Did at least once or twice before recently, too.
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by Flashfire on Jul 4, 2008 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to go A's....awesome game!!
I just got home and watched the game, as I recorded it. I know this is nothing new but man the Sox announcers really suck and they made two total mistakes when talking about the A’s tonight. They started the game off by saying that the A’s are 5 games behind the Dodgers and then they promplty gave the score of the Dodgers-Giants games saying something like, “Speaking of those Dodgers.” Seriously do they think that the A’s play in the NL West? later in the broadcast the said that Emil Brown has been producing for the A’s for the past couple of years. HUH?? I must have been watching a different A’s team the past coupke of years because I do not remember Emil Brown playing for the A’s before this year…LOL….
I can’t emphasize enough how bad those guys are in the announcing booth. Go A’s!!!
There is no A in OFFENSE!!
by wacchampions on Jul 4, 2008 8:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
They are really impressed with Emil Brown. "Apparently" he was a real
White Sox-killer while playing for the Royals. Maybe Kenny Williams will give us a truckload for Email after talking to Hawk & DJ?
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by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 4, 2008 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You ought to hear
their home run call for the visiting team. Sounds like the description of a fan as heads up and out to the concession stand. Flat monotone and less excitement than a dead goldfish displays.
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by One won lost won on Jul 4, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you thought they might fall asleep
in the middle of the call.
I tried to wake them up by yelling “Put it on the BOOOOAAAAAAAAARD, yeah!”
by Faust on Jul 4, 2008 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I lived in Chicago for three years.
Those two suck. You can put it on the board. YEEEEEEEEEEEEESH!
by nevermoor on Jul 4, 2008 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay- I hate ESPN but am watching to see A's highlights.
I laughed pretty hard at the commentating during the replay of the hot dog eating contest. It was pretty damn funny cuz it went to a “dog off” after being tied at 58. Of course the downfall of ESPN is that they cover hot dog eating contests and way too much Yankees/Red Sox crap.
Was Black Snake Moan a comedy or a drama?
by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 4, 2008 9:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, you'd cover the Yankees and Red Sox a lot too
if there were only two teams in major league baseball.
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES tv did good coverage of Johnny Damon
and the Youkilis drive to the wall. The ball actually sat on top of the wall, as Damon crashed to the ground. Then, it rolled back into play! The cameras caught the play perfectly from four different angles. If the A’s had that kind of camerawork, they’d get faaaar more “shares” in their rating.
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by One won lost won on Jul 4, 2008 9:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not only that
Their cameraman helped Damon find the ball by yelling and pointing through the fence.
That’s teamwork for you!
by Faust on Jul 4, 2008 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we ever had ONE camera at a day game, we'd get more shares
The other three are just gravy
by nevermoor on Jul 4, 2008 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One note on tonight's game I didn't mention in the wrap up -
As per my morning post, I really didn’t like the use of Ziggy in the 8th today. I would sooner see Brown and Casilla, even Embree, handle these innings so Ziggy can work in higher leverage situations right now. I know the White Sox have a potent offense, but a 6-1 lead should be safe to turn over to Brown or Casilla or they shouldn’t be on the roster.
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 9:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your sentiments
But, as I mentioned in the game thread, Ziggy is now the only one in the bullpen other than Street that Geren really trusts, so he is going to (ab)use Ziggy often in situations like this where he thinks the game is still tight.
by javaball on Jul 4, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he trusts Embree
It’s AN that doesn’t.
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes
Geren’s getting second guessed after successful decisions. How long before he starts getting the “FIRE ART HOWE!!!!!!1111” treatment?
by nevermoor on Jul 4, 2008 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say expect it in about minus-one week.
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by iglew on Jul 4, 2008 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gio G
Complete game 1-hitter, 110 pitches. 2BB, 13K. The one hit was a home run, but still… not half bad, not bad at all.
by Faust on Jul 4, 2008 9:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow - speaking of Gonzalezes,
please be ok, Carlos. Pwease?
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
DFA Smoak and Mirrors
Just wanted to get that out there
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by OptimistPrime on Jul 4, 2008 10:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
My new neighbor has just set off
at least a thousand dollars in illegal fireworks. I’m glad I have a faux brick roof.
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by alox on Jul 4, 2008 10:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Another so-so win...
A’s are made of glass! These guys are dropping like flies but the A’s are still winning. 17 hits today?! Is it possible to have negative hits tmrw? That’s the way these things balance out.
by Oaktownflav on Jul 4, 2008 11:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tony A.D.D.
It’s like he’s barely paying attention to the game over at 3rd. I thought only umpires were allowed to pay no attention to the task at hand.
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by bloodsweatndonuts on Jul 4, 2008 11:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ESPN reporting that BoCro may go to the DL
Poopsicles for everyone. God I hope this does not happen
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by OptimistPrime on Jul 4, 2008 11:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope it does...
Well, sort of. I’d rather he was traded. But anything that gets him out of the way and makes it so he’s not eating an active roster spot is progress.
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by PaulThomas on Jul 5, 2008 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A trade would have been good
I thought they had a shot at unloading Crosby on the Dodgers until he got hurt. With Furcal out for awhile, they might have been desperate enough to take Crosby. Now they’re rumored to be interested in Jack Wilson.
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by Monday Fan on Jul 5, 2008 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blanton: pitches thrown vs next start
Last time I posted numbers on Blanton there was some confusion, so let me try to be more clear this time: When looking up these numbers I was not seeking to prove anything, and I certainly wasn’t seeking to prove anyone right or wrong.
In one of the earlier Blanton threads someone suggested that whenever he throws a lot of pitches, he’s terrible in the following start. I’ve noticed a few instances where that seems to hold true, but not enough to be sure of a pattern. I was curious if this pattern is real or illusory, so I looked up the numbers for all his starts.
I did not decide ahead of time whether I want the theory to be true or false, and thus look for the right numbers to make my case. I really wanted to know. (Sorry to belabor the point, but some people seem to have trouble with this concept.)
OK, so here’s what I find. The first number is the number of pitches Blanton threw. The second number is his ERA not in that game, but in his following start. I sorted the list by pitch count, to more easily see the pattern. The date is the date of the pitch-count game, not the ERA game.
# p ERA date 75 - 1.29 - Jun 18 78 - 1.29 - Jun 29 94 - 3.00 - Mar 25 95 - 2.58 - May 31 99 - 2.70 - Apr 01 99 - 2.58 - Apr 27 100 - 4.50 - May 19 101 - 4.70 - Apr 16 101 - 3.18 - May 02 101 - 2.58 - May 07 101 - 6.00 - May 14 105 - 5.40 - Jun 06 107 - 6.14 - Apr 06 107 - 9.00 - May 25 109 - 2.58 - Apr 22 111 - 4.50 - Apr 11 118 - 10.29 - Jun 12 119 - 15.75 - Jun 24 119 - ???? - Jul 04
There are exceptions, but it sure does look like his worst games are after throwing a lot of pitches and his best games are after throwing not so many. Coincidence or meaningful connection? I report, you decide.
Blanton threw 119 pitches today, so if you think the pattern is for real, he’s due for a stinker next week.
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by iglew on Jul 4, 2008 11:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hard to establish causation, but that's pretty stark
He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 5, 2008 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice work, iglew
That may not be definitive, but it is more than a bit suggestive, isn’t it? I would not have expected to see that strong a pattern.
You didn’t check this, but another factor to consider is days between starts. Since the A’s had a ton of off days and kept to a 5-man rather than a 5-day rotation, many of his starts were made with 5 days off between starts. His next start will come with the double whammy: coming off a season-high pitch count and only 4 days off.
OTOH, it’ll be against the Mariners… Still, this info should help me stick to my resolution not to watch West Coast weekday night games unless they’re against LAA, NYY, or Boston (and now maybe Tampa as well).
by Faust on Jul 5, 2008 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The dates are all there, so you can check.
The listed date is for the pitch-count start, so find the next date on the list and count the days. The one good start after 109 pitches is on the fifth day. Of the two really bad starts, one is on the fifth day and one is on the sixth. I don’t see any correlation there.
I suppose the next most interesting thing to do would be the same analysis for last year.
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by iglew on Jul 5, 2008 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Iglew here is your info sorted by date and showing the days between starts. Looks like he does better on less days off.
It actually looks like he does worse when he has 6 days between games rather than 5 on the whole.
Sorry for the formatting but basically his worse outings have been since he has started pitching every 6 days.
Total Pitches ERA next game Date of Game days from last start
94 3.00 3/25/08
99 2.70 4/1/08 7
107 8.14 4/6/08 5
111 4.50 4/11/08 5
101 4.70 4/16/08 5
109 2.58 4/22/08 6
99 2.58 4/27/08 5
101 3.18 5/2/08 5
101 2.58 5/7/08 5
101 6.00 5/14/08 7
100 4.50 5/19/08 5
107 9.00 5/25/08 6
95 2.58 5/31/08 6
105 5.40 6/6/08 6
118 10.29 6/12/08 6
75 1.29 6/18/08 6
119 15.75 6/24/08 6
78 1.29 6/29/08 5
119 0.00 7/4/08 5
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by Eastbayjim on Jul 5, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just as a note, I decided to delete my post about Ziggy breaking...
...Chitren’s record after some research found that Chitren did, in fact, start his career with 16 1/3 scoreless innings instead of 15 1/3 as every media outlet and bit of information I found sourced online claimed.
The confusion was in a game against Texas where he threw 2 scoreless innings and then allowed 3 baserunners without recording an out in his third inning. Two of them scored so I think when people keeping track of this glanced at the stats they assumed he gave those runs up in his second inning. Hence, 15 1/3 instead.
Hopefully Brad gets the record for real his next time out. Still, this is what happens when the information out there is incorrect. Even the newspapers were wrong but today’s paper has it right.
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by Flashfire on Jul 5, 2008 9:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was good even with the mistake
And let’s hope Ziegler’s career ends up a lot better than Chitren’s. Chitren looked like he was going to be a stud but as quickly as he hit the scene, he was injured and done. It was a real shame. There’s a part of me that would like to see Chitren hold onto that record for what it’s worth. His chance to prove himself was gone in a flash so there’s not much to look back on. Ziegler will (I hope) have opportunities to attain much greater glory than a 16-1/3 inning scoreless streak.
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by Monday Fan on Jul 6, 2008 2:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Rotoworld-note makes me happy:
Cahill has twice as many strikeouts (121) as hits allowed (60) in 106 1/3 innings between Single-A Stockton and Midland this season.
“Trevor, you’re a year too early!”
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by Nico on Jul 5, 2008 9:08 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With Crosby going to go to DL
How about Murphy to 3rd, Petit at SS and Hannahan off the roster.
Hannahan is an almost AUTO-OUT who gets an RBI double once every three weeks.
Petit in his limited time has shown very solid “D” and probably not much worse in the hitting department than Crosby.
by Trainman on Jul 5, 2008 10:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Also adding to this
Murphy isn’t “God’s Gift” to hitting but he is two things Hannahan isn’t,
1) He’s Right handed and
2) he appears to handle a fastball better than Hannahan who usually is overmatched in that department.
by Trainman on Jul 5, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And 3)
why did #2 just get the gray background treatment (LOL)
by Trainman on Jul 5, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it has to do with putting a space
in front of the first line of a paragraph.
Regarding Murphy vs. Hannahan, against LHP it should be a no-brainer to start Murphy and Petit and sit Hannahan. But against “power arm” righties, Hannahan will be overmatched – but so will Murphy, so may as well get Hannahan’s defense in there. And against softer-throwing righties, Hannahan is a perfectly good choice.
In other words, Murphy should start against Danks, Washburn and Bedard, Hannahan should start against Silva, and we’re not going to get a hit from our 3Bman against Felix Hernandez no matter what we do. :-(
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by Nico on Jul 5, 2008 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK and OK
Thanks for explanation on the Gray strip of death.
Let’s hope Geren does what you suggest.
by Trainman on Jul 5, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worst SBN feature possible
Who would ever want to format their text in such a way that it doesn’t wrap and you can’t read anything off the end of the line?
Hopefully there’s a programmer somewhere hard at work on the next version.
by nevermoor on Jul 5, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Half the time I post, I wish
it had cut off the end of my comment. The other half of the time, I wish it had cut off the beginning. The third half of the time, I wish it
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by Nico on Jul 5, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a bug, not a feature.
When you’re copying a table as text the pre function is useful. I’ve used it twice recently. But you can get it my simply typing the code.
That the software automatically formats any paragraph beginning with a space is a bug, plain and simple. Not a deliberate feature.
(By the way, you’ll never have this problem if you use preview. Over on LL when they were debating mandatory preview (overwhelmingly against), the main argument was that it accomplishes nothing if the poster doesn’t want to proofread the post anyway. I always maintained that’s not true: even if you don’t proofread you’ll still notice obvious formatting glitches. This is exactly the sort of thing I had in mind.)
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by iglew on Jul 5, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Against Felix you want whoever
can see the most pitches. The only way to beat Felix is to run him out. After about 100 pitches he’s human. Or else they bring in the bullpen, which is just as good.
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by iglew on Jul 5, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hm
1) Grey
2)Space
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by JediLeroy on Jul 5, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Nico's a genie!
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by JediLeroy on Jul 5, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're practically a shoo-in to win tonight!
Our pitcher has a better ERA, 3.45 to 3.44.
Although I’d want their pitcher to be captain if I happened to be aboard the Love Boat.
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by Nico on Jul 5, 2008 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
All we have to do is make sure the game goes 1000 innings
And we’ll win 383 – 382
by nevermoor on Jul 5, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
note to Geren
If we have a lead in the 7th and 8th. Bring in Ziggy. Leave in until 9th. No Foulke (well can’t anymore) and no embree.
Go ZIggy you’ve been a treat to watch.
Gotta say our young guys are stepping up. R Sweeney, Zook, Cargon all playing great. Ellis has been solid as a rock as usual. Cust, well Cust…just go on one of your patented hot streaks
Go A’s
by TheGreenGoldCrush on Jul 5, 2008 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Note to Geren should read
`~`
Two complete games in a row is perfectly acceptable to everyone concerned. Thx
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by One won lost won on Jul 5, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I had to work so I missed last nights game
well the end of it any way, the last I saw of a score was 6-1 so I didn’t miss much. What stood out to me was a couple things Cust hit another bomb even with a stiff back, maybe he should lift weights more often. Emil "I’m not your scapegoat any more" Brown had a great game going 3 for 5 but the most important thing was that he was on base ahead of Cust so that he was hitting more than a meanings one run shots. Bankston has started to hit which could be bad for Barton but I still think it will be more of a platoon situation unless Bankston crushes LHP’s. Another thing was the Good Blanton showing up tonight maybe he will stick around for a while and I almost forgot trade him now before his value drops, sorry just had to get out of my system. Finally, the announcers for the game last night had to be one of the worst I have ever heard and that’s saying something since all I heard was the calls on the highlights from gamecast. First off what the sam hell is a "duck snort"? Secondly they showed their inability to count after the A’s went up 5-1 as they called it a six run lead. And on the last run scored by Davis, one of them said a good throw will get him but Davis was already across before the throw even got to the catcher and the throw was good. Just horrible, but that’s just me.
by A'sfaninNC on Jul 5, 2008 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And then I get to AN and see this:
"Trevor Cahill allowed two hits in eight scoreless innings and struck out 10 for Double-A Midland on Friday. Cahill has twice as many strikeouts (121) as hits allowed (60) in 106 1/3 innings between Single-A Stockton and Midland this season. He’s turning himself into a viable rotation alternative should the A’s find themselves in contention down the stretch."
and this:
"Gio Gonzalez fanned 13 in a one-hitter Friday for Triple-A Sacramento.
The one hit for Fresno was a Eugenio Velez solo homer in the top of the sixth. Gonzalez walked two and threw 110 pitches in his first complete game. He allowed one hit over eight scoreless innings against the same Fresno team last month. Still, he’s just 5-6 with a 4.84 ERA for the season."
in the rotoworld box, so what a great bunch of news to be mule kicked in the face with once you get home from work. Now if CarGon is okay and we win tonight I MAY MOVE TO ENGLAND (screamed while jumping on a hospital bed).
by A'sfaninNC on Jul 5, 2008 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs





















