Bullpen Triage: Dr. Nico Weighs In
The A’s bullpen, once a pillar of depth and dominance, is suddenly a worrisome web of wobbly weakness. At least for the next couple of weeks, until Casilla comes around and/or Devine comes back, I think a couple specific changes are needed if the A’s are to stay afloat in the 6th-8th innings of games. Here is what Dr. Nico is ordering, and why:
1. Brad Ziegler needs to be moved into the official “set up” role. Sure he is bound to regress, but he has thrown the ball legitimately well, he has handled pressure innings just fine at the major league level, and for a while hitters will still be facing him for the first time – which means one can reasonably hope Ziggy will pitch above his “true ability” for a while, even if his true ability is not the dominance he has enjoyed over his first 15 innings.
Slotting Ziggy in the set-up role would not only give all the relievers more distinct roles (which they prefer), but it would allow Embree to pitch where he is best suited, as a “set-up to the set-up” guy – a valuable reliever who can pitch often because he’s durable, can maybe come into face a couple lefties in the 6th or 7th as needed or handle the 7th, or take over in the 10th, etc. Embree is being overexposed as the “#2 reliever,” but is in fact quite useful as one of the “3rd or 4th guys on the depth chart”. Casilla is not ready to assume high leverage situations but offers depth along side Embree – two power arms for middle relief situations.
Worried about Ziggy’s left-right splits? In the words of Mark Twain, “Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.” Looking at the numbers so far this year (note: I tried and tried to find his 2007 L/R stats and failed), his performance against left-handed hitters only looks bad if you compare it to his performance against right-handed hitters. In other words, he hasn’t struggled against left-handed hitters so much as he has thoroughly dominated right-handed hitters:
In 2008, over 24.1 IP in Sacramento, pitching in a hitter’s league Ziggy held left-handed batters to a .257 average – which is solid for a “weaker split” – but he thoroughly dominated right-handed batters, who hit just .118 against him. With Oakland so far, in 15 IP Ziggy has held lefties to a .222 average, .222 OBP, and .222 slugging percentage, while righties have hit only .185. So this season, you have a 39.1 inning sample during which Ziggy has done fine against lefties, and just using observation you can add that major league lefties have often had defensive swings against him, more and more so with each appearance, and they are producing a lot of strikeouts and routine ground balls.
2. The A’s should release Keith Foulke and call up either Dallas Braden or Lenny DiNardo (I’ll assume Braden because he is pitching much better right now for Sacramento). This is not a “Foulke sucks!” cry, it’s recognition that the A’s need another guy capable of pitching long relief so that they can utilize Chad Gaudin more freely as another key “3rd or 4th guy on the depth chart”.
Foulke is caught between skills. He cannot pitch long relief like Gaudin can, he does not have the future of Casilla or A. Brown, and he does not have as much left in the tank as Embree. Now that his peripherals have caught up to him, Foulke is a poor-man’s version of any A’s reliever you can name.
You could potentially even use Braden as a true LOOGY when Gaudin was rested enough to serve as the “emergency long man,” but mostly Braden would be the long-man for as many days as necessary after Gaudin pitched. Foulke is holding the A’s up because while he pitches no better than Gaudin, he also takes a roster spot away from a long reliever – so Geren is unable to use Gaudin more freely. Foulke’s spot needs to go to someone who can serve as a long reliever; meanwhile, Gaudin, Casilla, and A. Brown are more than capable of filling Foulke’s middle relief shoes – and at least they represent the A’s future.
Street closing and Ziggy setting up, flanked by Embree, Casilla, and Gaudin in middle relief, with A. Brown and Braden in the fold as needed. That looks better to me than what the A’s are throwing out there right now – heck, it may even be good.
UPDATE (1:30pm PDT): Keith Foulke has been placed on the 15-day DL and the A's have called up left-hander Jerry Blevins from Sacramento.
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I agree
Especially with the Braden for Foulke Scenario. Of course, the pen would/should improve dramatically with Devine back, but you mentioned in another thread that he had a set back. Do you know the extent? I haven’t been able to find any reports on that.
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by TheRaiderWay on Jul 4, 2008 6:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
Braden is HORRIBLE this season he has a 4.85 ERA, Foulke has a 3.81 ERA .Last season Braden had a 6.72 ERA The guy is not good
by Athletic on Jul 4, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes....and not on to third base
Geren has had an interesting season with the bullpen. Early on, they were all practically lights out—but then it seems as if everyone out there came down with some sort of ailment.
It would seem a guy who can get out lefties period is what is needed. Perhaps even two. Blevins would appear to be next in line.
Third base seems like the situation ala Harry Potter that no one seems to want to broach. Chavez health certainly a huge question mark—but what about Hanahan, and his .219 average? The A’s certainly need a little pop from somewhere, and it would appear 3b should at least be in the duscussion.
I would like to hear feedback on Petit in Sacramento. He came up and played well in a limited role, but not much is said of him (or his plus .300 average in Sacramento).
Could Mr. Lights Out Zigler provide us a little insight here? Happy 4th to all.
by fonz on Jul 4, 2008 8:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Crosby to 3B and Petit to SS is another option
although I’m not sure Crosby would be very good or any more durable at 3B. It does work out with Chavez’s recovery and the various contracts though.
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 4, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem I see with that is that
Crosby is an ok hitting SS this year, but not an ok hitting 3Bman, while Petit is a “defense-first” guy who should not be counted on to hit much. Meanwhile, I’m still high on Barton but he will never provide the power associated with a 1Bman – in combination, that’s awfully little to get from the offense of your 1B, SS, and 3B combined.
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it
You don’t just move an established SS to 3B in the middle of the season without him having at least played some games there recently.
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by Flashfire on Jul 4, 2008 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hannahan can be replaced by Jeff Baisley
once the latter comes off the DL in Sacramento. I don’t know the nature of his condition, but hopefully he’ll be back soon.
Petit isn’t a third baseman; his bat isn’t going to play outside of the middle infield. An empty .300 average and a plus glove is great for a shortstop, but it’s below average for a 3B.
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by PaulThomas on Jul 4, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baisley won't be back soon.
According to his hometown newspaper, it’s a stress fracture in one of his feet and he’ll be out another six weeks.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jul/03/pa-overcoming-minor-setbacks/?sports
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by Monday Fan on Jul 4, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shite.
Man, that’s some pretty bad luck. Guy finally gets his chance and he’s shelved for 8 weeks with a stress fracture.
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by PaulThomas on Jul 5, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's amazing how 3 bad outings in 4 appearances can make a guy go
from one of the two or three best relievers so far this year to being worthy of an outright release.
Geren doesn’t know how to utilize one lefty properly. Two would be an utter disaster. If anybody should be released, it’s Embree. Why do people refuse to accept that he’s been quite a bit worse than Foulke this year?
As for LOOGYs, Marshall would be much more effective in that role. He was lights out at Midland, and his L/R splits at Sacramento (as of a week ago, the last time I looked) are a sign that he can get lefties out. But, again, Geren isn’t the type of manager who is capable of using a bullpen in this way.
I do think Ziggy should be the set-up guy though, at least until he starts giving up runs.
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by thejd44 on Jul 4, 2008 8:12 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Watch them throw
Embree can still, when he’s on, power a fastball by a fastball hitter. Foulke has nothing. His command is so-so, his fastball is 86 MPH and straight, his changeup no longer has much differential from his fastball, and his “good outings” consist of long fly ball outs and liners back to the mound. Tell me what Foulke does better than Casilla, Gaudin, and even A. Brown in terms of stuff, results, potential, and future with the team, combined. This is not a knee-jerk reaction to a few bad outings – as evidenced by the fact that I’m not giving up on Embree and he’s been pitching just as badly – it’s acknowledgement that everything Foulke offers, someone else in the current bullpen offers more.
And I don’t agree that “Geren doesn’t know how to utilize one lefty properly” – he’s never had a true LOOGY so he uses Embree more as a one-inning guy, which makes sense with this bullpen. He’d be wasted as a LOOGY, as Brown and Foulke would be required to manage more crucial innings.
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do people refuse to accept that he’s been quite a bit worse than Foulke this year?
Um. Because he hasn’t been? Foulke’s FIP is 4.9. That’s fucking terrible for a reliever. Embree’s FIP is 3.6, which is about average.
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by PaulThomas on Jul 4, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Foulke
05 bad.
06 bad.
07 retired.
08 so far: bad.
He was great before that, and guess what, he didn’t have a pathetic fastball when he was great. He lost his fastball in 05, which corresponded to his performance falling off a cliff, and he hasn’t recovered. He hasn’t even really shown good command. Embree has been better this by the numbers (not even close really) and he actually throws major league pitches. Embree is a plain ‘ol average reliever, and better than any other lefty option.
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by mikeA on Jul 4, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lefty/Right/Lefty
It just seems to me, to beat the Angels, we need some real chest pieces. The Angels have lefty/righty balance, alone with switch hitters. (Kotchman/Vlad/Hunter/Anderson);
therefore, CRUCIAL, CRUCIAL at bats are going to take place in innings 6-8, not just the 9th. This is the American League—if it takes 3 pitchers to get through and inning with a Big 0 on the board, then so be it.
The bottom line is, until we can beat them, the rest of this is a moot point. With some good ptiching the A’s are 2 or 3 games back today, instead of 5. And, we still have to find a way to beat Lackey. As long as the Angels are 3 up or so, I just don’t think they are going to feel any pressure. In my opinion, where the A’s sit in ‘08, it is about beating them!
I agree with the above comments about Embree and Foulke—I tend to believe Embree ties Geren’s hands some by not being a lefty specialist. But to BG’s credit last night, he pulled him after the double.
In reality, do we really know the health of the pen?
And again I ask, why is the 3b situation a topic of discussion?
by fonz on Jul 4, 2008 8:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that Kotchman and Anderson
do not suffer against LHP. Good pitching still beats good hitting, so you just have to put the best pitchers out there that you can, but not your so-so guy who happens to pitch with a given hand.
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we need some real chest pieces, maybe we should get Jose Lima
He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 4, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your idea of getting more Chest pieces but I think Chess pieces might fit better.
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by Eastbayjim on Jul 4, 2008 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
swiiiiiiiiiiing -- and a miss!
He's a very personable, sweet, nice chimp. He's not going to be aggressive unless he's provoked. @('.')@
by monkeyball on Jul 4, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was hoping to see some good photos posted of chest pieces.
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by ak_A on Jul 4, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually Bigger Chest pieces on the A's may help. At least it could bring more fans to the games.
Now at bat number 44D….
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by Eastbayjim on Jul 4, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not
Why is the 3b situation, NOT a topic of discussion?
by fonz on Jul 4, 2008 8:38 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
less options
likely back to a hannahan/murphy platoon
baisley doing well in AAA, but on dl
guzman got promoted few weeks ago from AA to AAA
if beane trades would be nice to get a laroche/gamel/stewart et somehow
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 4, 2008 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank God for TiVo
I start watching the game 30 minutes late. Not only can I fast forward through the ads but I do the same through Hannahan and Barton’s at bats. It is truly embarrassing that the A’s put out a corner infield as dreadful as this day-in, day-out. Compare and contrast to, well, uh, ANY of the other 29 teams….
I’m not day-dreaming about a blockbuster trade for a corner infielder (though that would be nice :-)) but there has to be something better than this.
by itsgemme on Jul 4, 2008 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet A's have a better record than the Yankees
The A’s also have allowed about the least Unearned runs over the year so far.
Something is going well in the defense at least.
by MobiusKlein on Jul 4, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Hannahan has a worse fielding percentage than A-Rod. Barton has a worse fielding percentage than, gulp, the Giambino. The A’s defense may be better overall but it’s not the corner infielders. And that A-Rod /Giambi combo is “slightly” ahead of our kids on the offensive front.
Ok, ok, so it’s the Yankees. Not fair. So how about comparing us to the mighty Kansas City Royals? Gload and Gordon are hitting .260 and .262 respectively.
by itsgemme on Jul 4, 2008 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying something is going right
Fielding Percent is not generally the best measure of defense either.
by MobiusKlein on Jul 4, 2008 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
It hurts to see Barton continually receive errors on tough foul balls that barely tick his glove.
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by muffinpryde on Jul 4, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barton may have a worse fielding percentage than Giambi but...
...there’s no doubt he’s a better defensive 1B.
Barton’s dropped a couple popups that hurt overall, but he’s made some great strides handling that corner of the infield to the point people aren’t really talking about him being a liability out there, but rather a strength.
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by Flashfire on Jul 4, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fielding percentage?
C’mon, you can do better than that.
By every defensive stat that actually makes sense, Barton has been one of the top 1B in the league this year (and Hannahan near the top at 3B).
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by PaulThomas on Jul 4, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hannahan should not be allowed to wear a ML uniform
I cannot believe we don’t have a replacement because a person with no limbs could hit better. He is the true definition of an AUTO-OUT.
I like the idea of Ziggy setting up. Let’s hope Casilla gets his command back soon to help us out in those critical situations.
by Trainman on Jul 4, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adios Foulke
I think just about everyone here has given KF more than enough chances to show that he has something left. I think, now, it should be fairly obvious that he is finished. Nothing personal against the guy because I was rooting for him when he made the team this spring. Maybe the A’s could ask him if he wants to be released and see if he can catch on with another team instead of DFA?
Unless there is a place for him in the organization as an instructor of some sort. I think Foulke would prefer an outright release than hang around in limbo. He’s a pro and I like the way he conducts himself but it is definitely time for him to step aside. Another lefty would be good, so I’m in favor of bringing up Braden or Blevins.
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by mrod on Jul 4, 2008 10:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Borowski.
My Yahoo fantasy sports news update just said Borowski was DFA’d. I wonder if it would be worth it giving him a shot as middle reliever or set up guy on this team? The guy’s career stats are basically a roller coaster, so there really is no way to predict what we’d get, but maybe he could be an option for a couple weeks until we get Devine back and Casilla can prove he can go an inning with giving up a HR.
What about Barry?
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by KMoAsFan on Jul 4, 2008 10:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Borowski is Foulke without the track record
Not to mention he has a dead arm on top of it.
Do not want.
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by PaulThomas on Jul 4, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But can we get him
for league minimum?
Sure he’s meat with a dead arm, but think of the savings!
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by Leopold Bloom on Jul 4, 2008 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No thanks
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by Flashfire on Jul 4, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect to you
Borowksi is the worst pitcher in baseball. Gascan personified.
by Trainman on Jul 4, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree except bring up Blevins or Marshall instead of Braden or DiNardo
With Braden/DiNardo, you know what you’ll get: average performance at best. With Blevins or Marshall, who knows, one of them might pull a Ziggy and be a very useful part of the pen. Gaudin can serve as both a short guy or (in the rare occasions where the A’s actually need long relief) the long reliever.
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by lenscrafters on Jul 4, 2008 10:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ny point is that we need average performance
with 4-inning potential more than we need a “roll the dice” addition to the short relief crew. In other words, Braden or DiNardo frees up Gaudin, while Blevins and Marshall don’t – and there’s no guarantee that Blevins or Marshall will be especially effective.
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From another post today it looks like they put Foulke on the DL today and called up Blevins to replace him.
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by Eastbayjim on Jul 4, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's at least a step in the right direction,
though it probably won’t free up Gaudin any. But if he wants, Geren can use Blevins as a true LOOGY, which we haven’t had all season, and still have Embree as a second lefty pitching medium-leverage innings.
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Set up role
Ideally, it would be Casilla if he can get his command back.
Generally speaking Ziggy is the second best option, but I would believe in the split more than you do. First of all, I recall that he struggled somewhat against them last year. Second, they’ve been hitting line drives off of him a lot more often as opposed to choppers RHHs hit and he’s gotten a tad lucky with those line drives. Third, pretty much every sidearmer from either side struggles against the opposite handed hitter. Chad Bradford, for example, has been a terrible pitcher against LHHs for his career, and his stats (and pitches) are remarkably similar to Ziggy’s in every other way. As such, in each game, I would put Ziggy in in innings with mostly righties and Embree in against innings where it’s mostly lefties, regardless of the order. I would bet that Embree has more success against LHHs than Ziggy going forward.
I also don’t think the way he’s being used now is the end of the world at all. If they need 3-4 innings of relief when ahead, then for one thing you need good performances in all of those innings and the order doesn’t matter that much. For another thing, the potential overuse of the best guys in earlier innings is counterbalanced by the fact that being more sure of shutting down the other team in innings 6-7 while ahead leads to better scoring opportunities for the A’s because they’ll face worse relievers from the other teams, which will a lot of times provide a margin of error for the later guys.
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by mikeA on Jul 4, 2008 12:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The one difference I see between Ziggy
and Bradford et al is that Ziggy seems to have a decent changeup, which is an important weapon for counterbalancing the disadvantage of release point (vs. lefties). I fully expect Ziggy to do worse against lefties, but the question is whether he can be good enough that in combination with dominance against righties, he can be a solid set-up man. Over the long haul? Don’t know. Over the next few weeks, first time around the league? I like his chances.
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right on the "first time around the league" thing;
His offspeed pitch, whatever it is fine, but since he hardly ever throws it, I don’t think it’s such a big factor. Bradford definitely throws more offspeed pitches, than Ziggy does. I do not not recall if they were good or used as a weapon against lefties.
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by mikeA on Jul 4, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradford only threw a "wiffle ball slider"
and he tended only to use it against righties, although it was somewhat effective tying up lefties when he did use it. He didn’t throw a changeup. Definitely, part of my “thesis” is that there is a “lightning in a bottle” opportunity of having Ziggy set-up while pitching to the league for the first time. The A’s need him at set-up man NOW and by the time he is “overexposed” Casilla (or Devine, though it looks like probably not) may be ready to take over in that role again.
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ziegler's offspeed pitch is also a slider
Watch the movement carefully and you’ll see it goes in to lefties, not away as a changeup would.
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by PaulThomas on Jul 5, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has two, I believe
The “frisbee slider” and a change that fades away from lefties.
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by Nico on Jul 5, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice article and analysis
I also appreciate that you wrote ”...you have a 39.1 inning sample” instead of “sample size.”
by Reg on Jul 4, 2008 12:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Billy read my comment in the "folke" diary!!!!!
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by mikeA on Jul 4, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if the A's told Foulke that he can be put on the DL, and retire, or he can be
released.
by theblackpearl on Jul 4, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the MLPBA is pretty "watchdog" about
not letting guys get put on the DL with fictional injuries. Then again, I think “watchdog” is an adjective, so what do I know?
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ziggy's 2007 L/R splits:
Lefties .324 (33/102), righties .174 (32/184)... I think that’s AA & AAA combined (50 games, 78 1/3 IP).
(Thanks, A’s Media Guide.)
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by Poppy on Jul 4, 2008 1:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks - I could not find them ANYWHERE
It seems all sites – including sites devoted to minor leagues and minor league stats – just give you L/R splits from the current season, which is lame.
What I would point out is just that Ziggy has undergone a significant change in the last 2 years, so if there is a sharp improvement curve it should be weighed a little more strongly than with an ordinary situation.
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find that numbers make me happiest
when I just read them & understand what they’re measuring, rather than analyzing what the measurements mean... ;)
Why I’m interested in even reading them in the first place if I don’t want to dissect them, I have no idea. It’s probably an illness of some sort.
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by Poppy on Jul 4, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oddly, it is possible to find splits going back 4-5 years
for all players except 2007.
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by mikeA on Jul 4, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any objective data to prove
that 2007 actually existed? I’m still 50/50 on the whole dinosaur thing.
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by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and I remember him saying something about...
...have a really bad game and/or series one trip to Tuscon early in the year where he gave up something like 8 or 9 hits to lefties, so that skews the figures a little further.
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by Flashfire on Jul 4, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fact, here it is
From this one:
“you’ve been Death to RH hitters. Lefties, however, are pounding you at a .408 clip. What’s the plan for getting the port-siders under control?—grover”
Well, I’ve worked really hard at this. My AAA numbers were blown up against lefties back in early June when I gave up 9 hits and 6 runs in 2.2 innings (over 2 outings) against Tucson – and I think all 9 hits were by lefties, if I’m not mistaken. I don’t want to be known as a guy who absolutely can’t get lefties out. And I think it showed in my numbers the last couple months. I was able to get their BAA down to .349 by season’s end. Baseball is a game of constant adjustments, and I now feel confident I can have success against any hitter, no matter what side of the plate they hit from.
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by Flashfire on Jul 4, 2008 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And since I'm jumping the gun on hitting "Post"...
...what I WAS going to add was let’s just say 4 of those hits he gave up in Tucson didn’t happen. That changes it from .324 to .284. Suddenly not as bad.
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by Flashfire on Jul 4, 2008 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
using stomach tightness as stat generator
while Foulke makes me a little tender, Embree puts me in as much distress as Rincon used to but not quite into the complete Billy Koch mode. Embree throws hard but very strait and has a not so nice habit of squaring up to the bat rather well. Someone can do just about as well as he does and gain experience for future benefit as well.
If you are going through hell, keep going. -W. Churchill
by rustwarrior on Jul 4, 2008 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Stomach tightness is measured statistically
by the decibel level of the “VORRRRRRRRRRRRRP!!!!” that you emit when you belch as you watch the reliever warm-up.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on Jul 4, 2008 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My stomach tightened
after watching the hot dog eating contest >.<
Procrastinators unite....tomorrow
by muffinpryde on Jul 4, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah, that was gruesome. what people do for fame and fortune.
alaska A
by ak_A on Jul 4, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great bullpen ideas, Nico...
I agree that your ideas of bullpen restructuring would better suite the A’s currently.
Hopefully Devine keeps progressing. Devine / Ziegler / Casilla / Brown for 7th/8th innings, Street for the 9th, Gaudin / Blevins for long man duties / 6th inning…. Embree traded, Foulke released.
by BillMoresi on Jul 4, 2008 3:14 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a simpler idea.
Chad Gaudin is good at baseball, so why not pitch him more often, and in higher leverage situations?
I feel bad for Gaudin. He deserves better than what he’s getting from the A’s this year. If I were a GM of a pitching thin team (read: most of them), I’d steal that guy in a heartbeat.
So it goes.
by jeepers on Jul 4, 2008 3:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs





















