Open Thread: Trade Deadline (1:00 PM PST Thursday)
by Zonis on Jul 30, 2008 6:28 PM PDT
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PrintTrade deadline approaching, and we've already seen some deals go down-just not A's ones.
The Astros, in Ed Wade's genius, acquried LaTroy Hawkins from the Yankees.
The Angels FINALLY made a trade, perhaps their first trade in like 15 years, and acquired Mark Teixiera for Kasey Cotchman and a minor league reliever. The only bright side of the deal for A's fans is that as with any trade with the Braves, Mark Teixiera will be found dead in his bathroom in approximately 5 weeks.
And the RedSox are apparently about to deal Manny Ramirez to the Marlins for 3 of their top prospects (paying all of Manny's salary), while possibly having a three way deal in the works with the Bucs to acquire Jason Bay.
We still have Duke, who's scheduled to pitch Friday. We still have Street, who blew a game today (why did Geren leave him in to pitch a 2nd inning?) an we still have Mark Ellis, Bobby Crosby and Alan Embree.
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interesting that the Yankees traded away two relievers
I didn’t think that was an area of strength for them
They will promote from within.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
They will us Marte in the 8th
And maybe Veras/Ramierez at times.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
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"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Wasn't Hawkins designated for assignment a few days ago?
I think the “trade” was just a formality for them.
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Casey Kotchman
But I kinda like it the Zonis way.
Also, Pudge to the Yankees for Farnsworth.
I really can’t even imagine that nobody wants Embree. At this point, every pitch he throws takes away from some younger player, and that makes him worthless for this team. Not getting rid of him is a sign that they’re going to pick up his 2009 option, and that thought sorta makes me throw up.
by thejd44 on Jul 30, 2008 7:16 PM PDT reply actions
I don't think the Yankees would take Embree, even for free.
They’re intimately familiar with his stylings.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 30, 2008 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
A's scouting brewers AAA team
nice timimg, they are getting beatdown by cubs and are back in market for relievers
who do they have
that we want? didn’t they trade a few of their best pieces for cc?
by guy incognito on Jul 30, 2008 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
They have a 3B (more likely 1B or OF) named Gamel who s a great hitting prospect, but his #'s have declined every month this year
and a really good SS Prospect that is supposed to be untouchable as well.
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But the two guys we want most are untouchable.
And the question is if they want Duke or Street (or hell, both!).
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Red rover send Luis Pena right over
Thats about all that would really help the A’s at AAA from the brew crew
When a AAA prospect from a team that I've looked at
makes me go “who?”, that’s probably not a good sign.
Try their AA roster.
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Scouts at AAA
so it doesnt make sense to talk about the AA roster where the best Brewers prospects are.
Luis Pena is the closer with decent stuff(although a high walk rate) and if we are sending Embree over to them I wouldn’t expect a top prospect in return.
I could actually see us going for Brad Nelson
25 year old 1B with a decent enough line at AAA-a stopgap till Barton remembers how to hit?
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I was under the (wrong) impression somehow
that he had already been traded.
In any event, the A’s really don’t need more AAAA players getting in the way of the actual guys with upside. Particularly not at first base.
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Street deal?
Olney right now on ESPNews says that the White Sox and A’s are talking about Street with the Sox offering Orlando Cabrera. Mentioned the Dodgers in need of a shortstop.
Why would we want a soon to be FA in Cabrera?
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Cabrera wouldn't be for the A's
I believe it’s Ménage à trois.
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street to chicago, cabrera to LA, laroche to oakland?
again, this makes too much sense to happen, right?
by guy incognito on Jul 30, 2008 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Far too much
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How about...
Street to Chicago, Cabrera + Buck to L.A., Kemp to Oakland.
by AthleticsReign on Jul 30, 2008 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
This one makes less sense, more awesome.
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Is Kemp really that much better than Buck?
So much better as to justify expending the team’s best (sorry, Duke) trade chip to fill the gap?
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I'd do that trade.
Kemp is younger, appears to be better defensively, and has more power.
Oh, and Buck apparently forgot how to hit this year.
Kemp
Is also a righty which we are sorely lacking.
by AthleticsReign on Jul 30, 2008 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't shake the feeling
that Matt Kemp has been spectacularly lucky to hit as well as he has so far in his career, and that he is riding for a massive (one might say Buck-esque) fall.
His career BABIP is over .390! No way that lasts. I could see .330 but subtract that out of his batting totals from this year and he’s damn near a replacement level hitter at corner outfield.
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Frankly, I'd rather focus on Laroche/DeJesus anyway
Just saying that I’d deal for Kemp if that was the option as well.
How is DeJesus better than Petit?
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm no expert on these new-fangled stats...
but, wouldn’t a career .330 BABIP make him damn near an elite hitter? I mean, Albert Pujols has a lower career BABIP.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jul 30, 2008 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
also, the guy absolutely destroys lefties...
how many current A’s hitters can we say that about?
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by FoolshGame22 on Jul 30, 2008 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I look at BABIP a little different than a lot of people
BABIP – Batting Average on Balls In Play. Basically, I look at it like “is this guy getting a lot of fluke hits or getting robbed”
“Normal” is around .290-.300 if I remember. Above that generally means that he’s getting lucky fairly often… balls find their way through holes, etc. Below means he’s getting robbed a lot, or hitting balls right at people, or just really sucks. Also, you can usually make a fairly safe assumption that any given hitter’s BABIP will eventually regress back to around that “normal” number (or go up to it, in the case of guys with low BABIP)
I think players CAN influence their BABIP, mostly by spraying line drives all over the field, but not like Kemp’s would suggest.
but, you do have to concede..
do you not (maybe you don’t), that the elite hitters in baseball consistently have career BABIP’s well above the .290-.300 level. They’re not lucky… they’re good.
Maybe Kemp is one of those. Not .390 good… but, good, nevertheless.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jul 30, 2008 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, but only to a point.
ARod = .327 career BABIP
Pujols = .322
Freakishly high guys: Jeter (.359), Ichiro! (.355), Manny (.342)
so, Kemp's .390 campares favorably..
to the best hitters in baseball. Not favorably, really, but he tops them all by a ton. Fuck it… I’d say it’s worth the risk he might regress to .330 lifetime, if we can pry him loose. LOL
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by FoolshGame22 on Jul 30, 2008 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
it doesn't reflect on how good he is
his numbers wouldn’t be very goood if his babip dropped 60 points
Kemp would be the best hitting OF...
on the A’s this year (and, probably years to come). Billy won’t trade for hitters, though, so I give up.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jul 30, 2008 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Sweeney has like a
.350 Babip, and STILL can’t OPS .800
Swooney's power will come...
he’ll OPS over .850 next year, which the way we’re going, will slightly edge out Jack Cust.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jul 30, 2008 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll eat my hat if Ryan Sweeney OPSes .850 in a full season at the Coliseum
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by FoolshGame22 on Jul 30, 2008 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Would have to be AN day VII
unless he turns into A-Rod for the next 2 months…
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never say die, Ryan...
.850 or bust, this year!!!
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by FoolshGame22 on Jul 30, 2008 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
traitor
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by FoolshGame22 on Jul 30, 2008 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha, PT can cut the hat in half and give me my share
but the question is, what will Foolsh do when if Sweeney falls short?
Not if he's striking out in 30% of his at-bats...
which he currently is.
Pujols walks more than he strikes out. Kemp has struck out about 4 times as often as he’s walked.
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he's 23 for christ sake...
you don’t think plate discipline can be learned? I do. I think we’re seeing it happen with Carlos Gonzalez as we watch.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jul 30, 2008 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll have to look up Tejada's early years...
and, compare them to Kemp’s. As I recall, Miggy struck out a lot and didn’t walk a whole lot. But, the fuckin’ kid could hit. I’m tired of watching guys like Cust walk and strike out. I’m TIRED of it!
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by FoolshGame22 on Jul 30, 2008 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
So, you'd prefer guys who simply struck out?
Yeah, that makes sense.
Tejada’s career high K rate is 23%. His career high in a full season is 16%.
No offense to the Patrol Craft, but he wouldn’t know plate discipline if you dropped 16 tons of it on his head.
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not yet...
he’s young. He can actually hit. That’s what gives me a glimmer of hope. We actually need more guys who can hit.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jul 30, 2008 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
um...
I know we’re just speculating here, but this deal isn’t even lose to realistic. No way L.A. would give up Kemp for Cabrera and Buck. Cabrera would just be a rental unless they can ink him long term… and if you wanna talk about guys who will be F.A.’s, I’ve heard things like Kemp straight up for the likes of Manny. He’s has a ton of raw power, and a ton of speed. He’s also said he learned a lot about basestealing from Pierre/Furcal this year, and his added skill in this area could push him to be a 30/50 guy. None of our hitting prospects are really even on the same level as Kemp. Not even our beloved C-Gon. Always fun to dream though I guess.
That would require the Dodgers to add about $4 million in salary.
Which they don’t want to do.
Though I’d be happy to see the A’s part with $4m if it meant LaRoche. If Devine was worth $5m…
If we're giving up $4 mil too we're gonna need another prospect from LA.
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by iamawesomer on Jul 30, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn't Chicago be the ones ponying up?
If not, they would certainly be the ones to give up the prospect—because landing Street for only the cost of half a season of Cabrera would be ridiculous.
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Or the White Sox could cover the cost.
As they’d be saving around $3m by taking Street and dumping Cabrera. Send that $3m to LA, and it’s just about salary neutral, with the Dodgers out around $1m, and the A’s saving $1m.
Anyone the Dodgers have thats crappy + getting paid roughly $4M?
Not exactly… but there is someone making double that and always rides the bench… Juan ‘330 OBP’ Pierre @ $8M and have the Dodgers pay most of the his salary after this yr. Heck, BB could even swindle 2 top prospects from the LAD with this deal. (LaRoche + SS or Kemp)
The Stockton Ports pitching staff is better than the Orioles.
manny to FLA, bay to BOS
looks like a 3-way deal, on mlb trade rumors:
Marlins get: Manny Ramirez, cash, prospect from Red Sox
Red Sox get: Jason Bay, John Grabow
Pirates get: Ryan Tucker, Jeremy Hermida, one prospect from Red Sox
damn, this is pretty big
red sox
The Sox have a lot of feelers out there including for lefties Ron Mahay, Will Ohman and Scott Eyre and likely others. There’s some talk by scouts and executives they may be in on Oakland’s Huston Street or Seattle’s J.J. Putz and have certainly discussed those players with Oakland and Seattle respectively
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/07/sox_tryingbut.html
white sox
According to a source outside the organization, Williams was talking to a handful of teams Wednesday afternoon in hopes of acquiring a back-end reliever in a three-way deal. Indications as of late Wednesday were that his target was Oakland Athletics right-hander Huston Street.
Street, the A’s closer, would move into the Sox’ setup role while veteran Scott Linebrink works his way back from the 15-day disabled list.
But one-on-one talks with the A’s apparently broke down over a lack of depth in the Sox’ farm system. No one knows that system like A’s GM Billy Beane, who traded Nick Swisher to the Sox in January for three prospects. That’s why Williams was trying to get at least one other team involved - and possibly a fourth - to try to meet Beane’s prospect demands for Street.
Unless there’s a change of heart this morning, Williams might walk away empty-handed for the stretch run.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/1083551,CST-SPT-ssep31.article
please, please, please...
Kenny…. find another team or four to meet Billy’s demands. I don’t want to see Street blow another save for the A’s this year.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jul 30, 2008 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Jason Bay
According to Ken Rosenthal the best formal offer the Pirates have received was from the Braves. It included AAA OF Brandon Jones, AAA SS Brent Lillibridge and two pitchers in the low minors.
Now, you can click on the links for Jones and Lillibridge or for the sake of expediency you can trust me when I say they’ve been struggling.
(Sigh)
I’ll wait for you to finish the links.
Anyways, that’s a package the A’s should be able to better.
I’d start with Ryan Sweeney, Cliff Pennington, Vincent Mazzaro and a 4th player TBD. The quality of the mystery 4th would be in large part determined by how much the Pirates like the first 3 on the list.
Why do this?
Well, 2008 is shot but Bay would anchor the 2009 line-up and no one can deny that the A’s could use a dependable bat next year. Losing Sweeney for Bay is a gain for Oakland, and neither Pennington or Mazzaro are instrumental in the future for the A’s.
Also, make this deal and keep Duke. Have Duke anchor the rotation as Bay stabilizes the line-up and if you really, really like ‘em you can talk extension. Or you’ve got a good shot at seeing both become Type A FA’s so you can let them go after 2009, which is when the next wave of talent should be good and ready for Oakland.
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The Florida package is much, much, much better
Jeremy Hermida plus.
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Plus what is the question
Sure, Hermida over Sweeney but the prospects that are supposed to be involved could be the hang-up. Now if Boston is willing to include Lowrie and the prospect coming over from Florida is a “B” then that package would be superior.
But look at the Tex deal. Kotchman and Hermida are a push performance wise, both have sketchy health records and both are arby eligible next year. Maerk is a AA bullpen arm.
Manny is not going to fetch any more then Tex did. So the chance of the prospect coming from Boston being a “B” guy is slim. That means the Red Sox would have to part with one of their top prospects to land Bay vs. my proposal. Could they do it? Sure. Will they?
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ummm... my guess would be that they would...
cuz they’re on a fuckin’ 21st centruy roll in winning World Series. They want to stick it to Manny and the Yanks this season.
We’re not so much on a 21st century World Series roll…
Besides, Swooney is one of the very, very few players on this A’s team I actually like.
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by FoolshGame22 on Jul 30, 2008 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Swoon over someone else
You wouldn’t trade Sweeney for Jason Bay?
I don’t even want to know why.
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Well, there are arguments to be made for sure
Sweeney is superior defensively. Sweeney is 7 years younger, cost-controlled and contract-controlled. Sweeney is putting up his in the AL; Bay is doing his thing in the NL.
All things considered, I’m not sure Bay is significantly more valuable, especially to a team in the A’s position. He’s certainly not worth Sweeney and 3 very good prospects.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions
How about this...
Bay is a far better hitter and the A’s have the 2nd worst offense in the AL.
Defense is nice, but it’s a secondary issue in a Corner OF spot. The A’s need someone who can hit the ball, get on base and hit for power. Sweeney’s OBP is tied almost entirely to his batting average and when that drops (which it will) he’ll quickly become a low-OBP, middling power corner OFer. Oh joy.
Ryan Sweeney does not keep Bay from coming to Oakland.
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A lot of silly and/or unsupported statements here
1) Bay is a far better hitter, for now, when the A’s aren’t ready to contend. Oh, and next year, when they might not be ready either. Then Bay is a high-priced free agent the A’s won’t keep (and probably shouldn’t because he’ll be on the wrong side of 30).
2) Defense is undervalued. Ken Griffey, who is a decent offensive player still, is so bad defensively he’s actually replacement-level or below. I bring that up because you’re acting as if corner OF defense is completely irrelevant. Great defense makes good pitchers a lot better, and it makes up for a lacking offense. An outfield of Cust, Gonzalez, and Bay would be pretty awful.
3) Sweeney is showing improved plate discipline and walk rate.
4) What makes you so absolutely sure his batting average is going to drop? And why don’t you think that any luck involved in his current average will be more than offset by a 23-year-old improving and living up to his potential?
I didn’t say Sweeney is preferred over Bay anyway. I just said there are arguments for why this A’s team shouldn’t do a deal where it’s Sweeney and a few prospects for the guy.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much agreed.
I don’t know if he can sustain a .346 BABIP, but his 23.3% line drive rate is very good.
I think there’s no doubt that Sweeney, as an everyday player, gives a team more value over the length of his contract. 2009 Bay can’t equal all those cost controlled seasons.
Contention in 2009, even if the A’s were to add Bay, means extending Ellis and Duke, as well as finding a third baseman of the future (probably by trading Street). That’s definitely a possibility, though a tall order, and I’d like the A’s to do something like that.
Why?
Because I think there’s a good chance, unlike the A’s (I think), that Ryan Sweeney is a 4th OF with the future A’s. I wonder if he’s enough of an improvement over the weakest of Buck/Cunningham/Patrol Craft to make it worthwhile in the future to keep over a sure upgrade like Bay.
Granted, I’d rather trade Buck + a pitching prospect not named Cahill or Anderson instead of Sweeney.
The 2009 A's draft pick... getting higher every game.
I agree, no reason to go for Bay
The A’s can finish third this year with or without him. And by the time the prospects are ready he’s too expensive and gone. They shouldn’t be making any trades for established players/stars right now – they should be dumping everybody who has any value and planning ahead for the future. Attendance can’t get much worse and the TV contract is worthless anyway.
You only make that deal to extend him beyond 2009
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Yes, but for how long?
He’ll be 31 by the end of 2009. I’m not big on giving 32 year old OFs big extensions in the post-PED world.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn it, I need to fire my editor
So the chance of the prospect coming from Boston being a "B" guy is slim.
Yeah, that should be Florida, not Boston.
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The prospects who're rumoured to be involved
include Michael Stanton, 275 .351 .569 .920 as an 18 year old OF in the Sally this year.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
Stanton was specifically mentioned as NOT being in the deal
So sayeth Rosenthal
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Hmm, other guys had him in the deal.
I guess I’ll trust Rosenthal.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
Should be both
Pittsburgh is asking for (and apparently willing to hold Bay if they don’t get) 4 guys. Hermida, 2 prospects from Florida, 1 from Boston.
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rockies and duke
Right-handed pitcher Josh Fogg of Cincinnati may be the addition the Rockies settle for in their search for an addition to the rotation. They have continued to look into other alternatives, but when they made inquiries for higher-profile starting pitchers they have been left cold by what other teams want, including Oakland asking for a package that “starts with” center fielder Dexter Fowler and third baseman Ian Stewart for right-hander Justin Duscherer; Seattle wanting Fowler and right-handed reliever Casey Weathers for lefty Jarrod Washburn and declining to pick up any of the salary that includes $10.35 million for next year, and Washington putting a price tag of outfielder Brad Hawpe for right-handed starter Tim Redding.
Wow! Starts with Flower AND Stewart!
Hell, I’d settle for just Flower and Stewart.. maybe even just Stewart.
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Beane must be joking
Duke, as much as I like the guy, is not worth Fowler AND Stewart. I can see the arguement for one or the other but both is beyond wishful thinking… it’s flat insulting to the Rockies.
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dont you think rockies insulted...
other teams by asking for price/bucholz for fuentes…so it goes both ways
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 30, 2008 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
And how did that deal turn out?
Wait… it didn’t happen.
The basic theory is we supposedly want one of these guys.
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look at what m's asked for washburn lol
they are idiots, so i dont blame beane for asking for that much for duke. but yes, i would settle for stewart + nelson/gomez
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 30, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Gotta Ask for the Stars cause you never know.
You just might get it. Now Beane can go.. Ok Ok..Duke for Stewart and another B level prospect.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Id be super Happy with Duke for Stewart straight up.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
It is both a blessing and a curse to share a birthday with the trade deadline. I hope that this year it is a good one!
maybe Billy will buy you a hitter this year
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by FoolshGame22 on Jul 30, 2008 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
piece on BP about ziegler
houston offering their entire system for him. joke it seems, kinda.
MLB trade rumors suggests the Pirates
may risk being replaced by a third team in the Boston-Florida deal….(perhaps the A’s?)
Rosenthal sez
Griffey Hoonior to the White Sox.
From the Rosenthal post...
it sounded like Griff would go to center(?) and Swish to 1B. They have Thome as DH and the OF corners are set. Strange move, unless something is brewing beyond that move.
Oh boy.
38 year old Ken Griffey in center would be a joy to watch.
Griffey is a replacement-level player in right field
In center, he would pretty much be useless overall.
Since Konerko has too much money left on his deal to just release him, I could see Beane trading somebody. Here’s hoping we get Swisher back into Oakland for Street (this is what Steve Stone speculated just a few minutes ago).
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions
The team could use some ATTITUDE.....
And bringing back Swish would be a jolt they need. Would be nice to see him and Big Hurt dancing in the dugout again.
Wouldn't be a trade deadline thread
Without some good old Right Handed Bat™ fetishism.
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Griffey to the White Sox?
"Hey dad my Jack Cust Bobblehead is batting right handed"....."He's not batting right handed he's striking out swinging."
by What Would Rickey Do on Jul 31, 2008 6:09 AM PDT reply actions
Does the Griffey trade mean Williams traded what was left of his farm system..
therefore hurting the chances of a Street deal?
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I don't know about that since the Sox had no prospects for the A's anyway
What might hurt the Street deal is that apparetly Weathers or Affeldt might be going to the Sox in addition to Griffey.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions
No
They got him for jank—Danny Richar and Nick Masset.
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The NYY...
get something for LaTroy Hawkins, a class A 2B. Can we do the same for Embree, PLEASE!!! Something better than nothing.
From YAHOO:
Jul 30 RHP LaTroy Hawkins from the New York Yankees for Class A Lexington 2B Matt Cusick. Hawkins, who was designated for assignment by the Yankees earlier in the week, will report to the Astros on Friday for the first game of the three-game series against the New York Mets. Although Hawkins isn’t having a stellar season, the Astros hope he can turn his year around and help add depth to bridge the gap between the starters and closer Jose Valverde. The Yankees will pick up a “significant portion” of Hawkins’ remaining salary.
the team we need to call is
the tigers. if they’re going to give up pudge for KYLE FARNSWORTH, billy beane should be able to get a bat out of them for one of our ballboys and some ken griffey junior rookie cards
Pudge really kinda sucks now
Even if he is having an ok year at the plate. I think that’s a fairly even trade, and it really helps the Tigers who have a decimated bullpen and a better player (Inge) who can catch full time.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Dismal trade for the Tigers
Not only did they just trade Pudge for a reliever, they effectively traded away a draft pick on top of it. Pudge is going to be a Type A, Farnsworth MAY be a Type B.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Tigers were not going to offer Pudge arbitration
so they did not really lose any draft picks. I doubt that NY would offer Pudge arbitration either, as he is very, very likely to accept since he would make at least close to his current salary.
Still not saying this is a great trade, but the picks are not really part of the equasion.
You've got to be kidding me
No way he makes more in arbitration than on the market.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
someone is going to pay him 10.5 mil? Who?
Some of the most violent things I’ve ever seen were at Raiders games. And I’ve been to jail. - leopold bloom
by designatedforassignment on Jul 31, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
He's not going to get 10.5 mil in arbitration...
and no, the 80% limit does not apply to players who voluntarily accept arbitration.
Someone will give him a multi-year deal for a decent sum.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I can't think of a team that would pay him 10M
He has to be offered a minimum of 80% of last years contract if the offer him arbitration. Last years contract was over 12M.
Who would pay him that much going into his age 37 season as a catcher?
nobody's going to sign Pudge if it costs them a first round pick
those are gold now
Here is what I'm hoping for now that Griffey is in Chicago
Chicago trades Cabrera to Dodgers, Dodgers trade LaRoche to A’s, Chicago trades Swisher to A’s, A’s trade Street to Chicago. Win/Win/Win scenario as I posted in the Griffey fanpost
"Mount it? I already did. Oh! You meant on the wall?!!
That would be amazing
But getting Swisher and LaRoche for Street? I feel like the A’s would have to give up more.
And the Griffey deal seems to be official, as he has accepted the trade according to Ken Rosenthal at foxsports.com
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
So the White Sox
are supposed to trade Orlando Cabrera and Nick Swisher for Huston Street?
So far this is the winner for the deadline thread.
RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.
by walk off bunt on Jul 31, 2008 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Well
It’s not that crazy. In addition to sucking, Cabrera is really unpopular here and the Sox have been looking to move him for a couple months now. With the emergence of Alexi Ramirez, they have options. Although by trading Richar that does hurt their IF depth. I’d be ok with tossing in Eric Patterson to the White Sox in this silly, but fun to think about scenario.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Adding Ellis
would be a necessity for Cabrera, so they could move Ramirez over to SS. I mistakenly dropped a post down below speculating about a possible combo of: Street, Ellis and a mid-level prospect or two for Swisher and Cabrera (who then would be spun for LaRoche). Pipe-dream most likely, but like you said, fun to think about.
by SlideJeremy! on Jul 31, 2008 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
So their IF would be Konkerko-Ellis-Ramirez-Uribe? That really sounds bad.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
A's old closer heading down here to FL.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3512597
This should be interesting. I imagine he will get lit up in down here.
The swinging (and missing) A's of 2008!!
I missed the word 'old'
My heart skipped a beat.
'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.
My inner Phillie fan is elated
They want to steal the land papers which is why they have tried to break in. But they had to give up after being bitten by Chhotu.
by FreeSeatUpgrade on Jul 31, 2008 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
That could apply to an awful lot of players...
Make me actually look at the article, would you?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Sounds like the two players going to Cincy
Are Infielder Danny Richar and reliever Nick Masset.
With Linebrink on the DL and Masset going to the Reds, the White Sox definitely could use a reliever at this point. I know Swisher for Street is a pipe dream, but I’m hoping for it. Come on, let’s make this happen.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 8:32 AM PDT reply actions
Don't need Swisher...
if it means we can’t get someone like LaRoche or Stewart.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Getting Swisher would allow the A's to trade some of their OF depth for one of those guys
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Getting Swisher
Would also give the A’s a legit (semi-legit?) bat AND be a big boost to the dwindling fanbase.
Enjoy the game
It might be a bit counterintuitive
But I think Swisher would improve to at least his career norms if he returned to Oakland. I know he should be pounding the ball in The Cell, and McAfee is a big-time pitcher’s park, but he just doesn’t look all that comfortable there. Perhaps returning to more familiar surroundings could help him.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Street for Swisher is a great deal. I don't see how it's even debatable.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Swisher can also play 1B
Now that we aren’t sure about Barton…
Rosenthal notes from last evening
6:26 p.m.: All quiet with A’s, Mets
Two teams that were not terribly active as of 6 p.m. ET on Wednesday night: The A’s and Mets.The A’s were getting practically no action on reliever Huston Street, and the Mets were refusing to include any of their top prospects in a deal for the Mariners’ Raul Ibanez or any available reliever.
The Mets’ strategy for the moment, sources say, is to upgrade in any area that could make the team better, but only if the price is right. Thus, they could move on a starter, reliever, hitter or utility player, but are not focused on one particular area of need.
"just a beating heart ... plasma that we'll put into our uniform." - Billy Beane
by athleticsBB4life on Jul 31, 2008 8:41 AM PDT reply actions
What doesn't make sense
Some reports have around 6 or 7 teams interested in Street, others basically say nobody wants him and he’s a big pile of crap. Somebody is wrong, and I tend to think a top 10-15 closer is attractive to at least a few teams. Maybe no deal gets done because Beane wants too much, but I don’t believe nobody has interest.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree.
This guy might be exclusively talking to A’s sources, and A’s sources generally don’t leak much about trades.
So its very likely there are a few things on the table.
'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.
Maybe noone has interest, because they heard the price was too high
by theblackpearl on Jul 31, 2008 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe nobody says they have interest
because a deal is actually happening.
Street definitely has value; is Kyle Farnsworth much more valuable than Street, and he brought someone who’s going to be the Yankee’s everyday catcher.
One man’s weak closer is another man’s excellent setup man.
it is not possible to strategize while the ball is coming towards you
by eastcoasta'sfan on Jul 31, 2008 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
"is Kyle Farnsworth much more valuable than Street"
This may be the most ridiculous underrating of street yet, and I’ve seen some crazy ones.
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Pretty much
I remember Farnsworth when he was with the Cubs. He was a JOKE.
Street has flashes of brilliance, so depending on when he gets hot, he might be very useful to a contender.
'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.
Farnsworth big problem is HR. He only gave up 1 HR in his partial year in Detroit.
He may fit there a lot more than anywhere else.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
But still, that's not "no interest"
Rosenthal is implying, if not directly saying, that Beane is making some calls and people are saying “No, not interested in that guy.” It’s one thing if there are talks and the price is too high. But then you say “The So-and-sos inquired about Huston Street, but the asking price was too high.”
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Rotoworld has Kenny Williams running around trying to find a 3rd or 4th team involved so he could nab Street
"Mount it? I already did. Oh! You meant on the wall?!!
He and Beane should collaborate on the first ever 30 team trade
I want EVERYONE involved in this deal.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
QOTM
"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2008 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
only if he send the entire active roster down to Sacto first
Worse than being dead is being hot. @('.')@
I think the Griffey-to-Chicago trade is the
remnant of the rumored three-team Street trade.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
That could be
But if no reliever is included to replace Masset or the injured Linebrink, the White Sox really need to fill that hole now. I’m not sure a deal for Street can be worked out at this point, but they could definitely use him.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
It could very well mean a Street deal is going to happen
Since they just dealt another reliever…
Its not over till the fat lady sings…
'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.
What about...
...a deal involving Street and Ellis to the ChiSox for Swisher and Cabrera (presumably the A’s would have to add an additional mid-level prospect or two to balance overall value)? Cabrera would then be spun as part of a LaRoche deal with the Dodgers. Kenny Williams has a surplus of OFs now and as everyone’s hoping, that may make Swish available – assuming Jr can play CF still. The ChiSox are also dying to ditch Cabrera and move Ramirez to SS and Ellis would let them do that.
I know the combo’s doubtful, given that they paid up dearly for Swish in December and they’d be getting a rental (albeit a great ballplayer) in Ellis, but it’s nice to dream!
GET SWISHER NOW
SWISHER DAMNIT
'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.
What a great trade rumor!
Swisher back in green and gold would be such a boost for the team AND the fans!
Imagine that? A’s fans getting excited about a trade!
I love it!
"And sometimes, when it seems like all hope is gone, Life tosses you a special gift of a baseball game" . 7/10/08 BaseBallGirl headline
I think Billy Beane Hates Me.
We’ve traded away my favorites and I have entered into a deep depression. Can we reverse our trades? Maybe say we were just kidding or temp. insanity. I want Scoot and Harden and Haren back.
no
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
trade
According to ESPN’s Buster Olney, the A’s are not likely to make a trade today. Olney’s source puts it at 1%. So, looks like Justin Duchscherer and Huston Street can rest easy.
which means
something is imminent
"Lefty relievers are like the different Mountain Dew flavors. New ones keep appearing, and people are willing to buy, but in the end most of them suck." - Gallagher's Watermelons
by scatterbrian on Jul 31, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Buster Olney
Can shove it.
'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.
thanks beane!!
still no 3b/SS and 2 more months of crosby/embree/brown etc i love it!!
A’s Unlikely To Make More Trades
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 11:00am CST]
According to ESPN’s Buster Olney, the A’s are not likely to make a trade today. Olney’s source puts it at 1%. So, looks like Justin Duchscherer and Huston Street can rest easy.
Cue "Dumb and Dumber" quote
...”So you’re saying there’s a chance!”
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2008 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
qotm
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
He also said the Cubs wouldn't go out and get a big name starting pitcher to answer the Sabathia trade
He said they had a great rotation as is
"Mount it? I already did. Oh! You meant on the wall?!!
following from some "ass clown" blogger on ESPN
NYYRJ51 (Less than a minute ago)
The A’s should be contracted. What a disgrace to baseball. They don’t even try and win. They’ve become the MLB’s Farm system. I feel sorry for those fans.
lol...
We’re the farm system?
More like we own all of MLB’s farm systems.
'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.
He's a Yankee fan who likes Randy Johnson?
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking
Yankees, Rangers, Jets.
Can Magic Sprinkles Now!!! @('.')@
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 31, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel sorry for us too.
"All your baserunners are belong to Greg Smith" ~ walk off bunt
by Philip Christy on Jul 31, 2008 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
That was the same place (ESPN - Rick Bucher)...
that reported that Kobe Bryant wouldn’t play another game as a Laker.
These guys are bums. When have they ever been right about the A’s?
After the Cubs trade he even said that the trade happened very quickly… even AFTER the Cubs GM said that he and Beane had been talking for months!!!!
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
To be fair
Kobe Bryant was all but traded to the Bulls last September. It was to the point where he was more likely to be on the Bulls than the Lakers, but the sticking point was he wanted to play with Deng and the Lakers would only do the deal if they got Deng.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
mlbtraderumors says
buster olney says we have a 1% chance of making any more trades today
HELMET: Sandurz, what's going on?
SANDURZ: It's Mega Maid. She's gone from suck to
blow!
I think I'm going to make a FaNpOsT
saying that Buster Olney only gave us a 1% chance of making a trade.
I say there is a 1% chance
of you making the fAnPoSt. But a 100% chance I will post stuff in it if you do.
"Camelot sure fell apart, didn't it?"-Steve McCatty
Well, if this trade doesn't go down, I'll insert foot into mouth
"Mount it? I already did. Oh! You meant on the wall?!!
Whose mouth?
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
The only bright side of the deal for A's fans is that as with any trade with the Braves, Mark Teixiera will be found dead in his bathroom in approximately 5 weeks.
When did something like this happen before? Am I having a brain block?
love, mike in canada
The Braves are notorious
for knowing their own goods well enough that they trade away guys who LOOK good, but end up struggling or getting hurt at their next stop. Charles Thomas and Dan Meyer are two painful examples.
"The painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me." -Wedding Crashers
by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2008 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Why does this keep coming up
And whats the story behind it? Ive seen it twice now and I just busted up laughing so much I spit my drink out my nose. Its so absurd sounding
I miss Eric Plunk
Wait
Buster is trying to trick us!!! See! Theres two 0’s in a %.
SO, Buster is saying there is a 100% chance of a deal!!!
Its so obvious.
'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.
I think my favorite part of this thread
Was the Steve Stone speculation turning into us getting all uppity and excited about a Swisher for Street trade.
As if it were ever realistic.
RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.
Let's trade Sweeney, Gonzales and de los Santos for Swisher...
I wonder if the Sox would do it…
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
+1
AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
********OaKlAnDaThLeTiCs********
by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Jul 31, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
But we'd have pay more money for our K's
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Dunn leads the majors in home runs
So that would be an upgrade for the A’s.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Is his intro music
Burninating the Countryside?
'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.
Er
Trogdor
I apologize, I’m still tired
'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.
and the GM comes in the NNNNNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The 2009 A's draft pick... getting higher every game.
OK, now that's just crude.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
This is so dumb.
Somebody trade someone for someone else.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
+1
"All your baserunners are belong to Greg Smith" ~ walk off bunt
by Philip Christy on Jul 31, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll trade you
My love for your tickets to tomorrow night’s game ;-)
RagingHarden: Yeah if you get 20 starts out of me I'll be shocked. Like, I'll wreck my drawers.
by walk off bunt on Jul 31, 2008 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
heh
Everyone in the world must be on mlbtraderumors.com right now.
The site is soooo choppy right now.
'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.
Can we stop with this pipedream of
swisher going back to the a’s bit…..more appropriate for a fantasy trade thread instead….
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
为什麽？
疯狂的！
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
by ST on Jul 31, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I totally agree!! lol
AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
********OaKlAnDaThLeTiCs********
by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Jul 31, 2008 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not completely irrational
The White Sox have a surplus of players, and Swisher is the most likely to be the odd man off the roster. They could use Street. There’s some sort of match there. Doesn’t mean it will happen, but it’s not like everybody is saying “ARod for Hannahan, it can happen!”
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
It's irrational unless you assume that KW
doesn’t care about winning games this year or that he is stupid.
Sure, they could use Street. It’s the issue of the price involved.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
Mill: Noontime Coffee, Pot III
Names popping up at the last minute: Marcus Thames, Huston Street, Jonathan Sanchez, and Paul Byrd.
Alan Embree's name isn't being whispered in every GM's ear?
Crap!
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
ESPN Rumor list
Phillies looking for a lefty reliever.
GOODBYE, MR. EMBREE!!!!!!
The swinging (and missing) A's of 2008!!
They already rejected him
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I imagine at this point BIlly has a big "clearance" sign on Embree's chest
And that may not have been the case a couple weeks ago.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
if the man doing the whispering is wearing an adult diaper, then he's *definitely* getting slapped
Worse than being dead is being hot. @('.')@
Nothing is happening
"Do you know that the guy really doesn't like baseball all that much?" - J.P. Riccardi
qotm
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
LOL
"Do you know that the guy really doesn't like baseball all that much?" - J.P. Riccardi
by black beane on Jul 31, 2008 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm sitting on the edge of my seat for....nothing.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Somebody please do something.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
I think this is the calm before the storm.
AHHHH! I left the stove on!!!
********OaKlAnDaThLeTiCs********
by LiZaRdReVoLuTiOn on Jul 31, 2008 10:21 AM PDT reply actions
byrd is wanted, but not duke WTF
i think beane is asking for too much in street/duke, but was willing to sell harden/blanton as soon as possible
Yankees Eyeing Byrd
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 12:02pm CST]
According to Ken Rosenthal, the Yankees are “kicking around” Paul Byrd as an option. Names have yet to be exchanged. The Rockies have just mild interest in the 37 year-old righty.
All I know is
Crosby, Embree, Street, Foulke, Street (Just for starters) better not be at Spring Training for us next year.
I may dust off my neighbor’s AK47
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
Wow, I said Street twice
SUstitute whoever you want in his place.
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
Oh I give up
substitute
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
The Twins are in the market for a second baseman...
Could there be any interest in Eliis? But it looks like their best prospects are pitchers : (
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
I'd take anything worth more than a sandwich
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Reply button still not working.
Where’s clockwerks.
And for Christ’s sake, somebody do SOMETHING.
Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.
Beane's made plenty of offers ...
... but other GMs’ reply buttons aren’t working.
Worse than being dead is being hot. @('.')@
So Griffey for Masset, Richar doesn't excite you?
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Embree for cash would be good, if not great.
Just get him out of OAK, please.
The swinging (and missing) A's of 2008!!
I'd want something more than a sandwich for Embree
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
You're asking whether Embree's worth more than $5?
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Depends on WHICH sub...
Ham and Cheese, probably not
meatball or sweet onion chicken teriyaki? DO IT.
I'd take whatever the other GM had in his wallet at this point
And it’s not just because Embree sucks (which he does). It’s because I want his innings going to somebody who has a future with the team..
The only old guy who I think has a spot and should get playing time is Frank Thomas, and that’s only because I can see a scenario where he’s back with the team next year. I don’t see that with the other old guys.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
You wouldn't put up with Embree for a month for a juicy sandwich?
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Please tell me Embree is only signed for this season?
and that he can sit at home in the off season and field calls
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
Is he carrying Trainman's neighbor's dirty AK-47?
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Something has to be happening, right?
The Harden trade just doesn’t make sense (regardless of your feelings on the future of Gallagher) if there’s no further move…What’s the point of Murton and Patterson? Why throw in Gaudin? Why is Emil Brown still here? I feel like we’ve been watching a show with a ton of great plot threads ready to tie together any second…but unfortunately it’s not looking likely.
There was a further move
They traded Blanton.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
hehe, I feel ya
But, you are setting yourself up for heartbreak thinking that way. I’ve finally learned not to expect something from A’s management. Remember, there is still an off-season hot stove.
OK, calmness aside, wtf is Embree doing still on our roster? Sigh.
by Eric in Atlanta on Jul 31, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
It makes sense if you think Gallagher's worth more than Harden
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I do - from 9/1/08 on, I predict Gallagher will
win more games, quite possibly including this season.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Gaudin for Patterson, Murton and Donaldson sounds pretty good to me
I can’t explain why we’re not actually using Patterson and Murton though.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Let's trade eeryone for cash and start from scratch
Birds of a feather flock together....and crap on your car!
Disappointing, but I'd rather not make a move due to Beane's
stubbornness than make one where he concedes.
"Do you know that the guy really doesn't like baseball all that much?" - J.P. Riccardi
Eh.. nothings gonna happen.
We all getting worked up over nothing.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Say it ain't so
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, its one of Billys' mottos.
“Don’t say you have to do something, otherwise you’ll make a bad deal and you’ll be fucked.”
'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.
+1
great quote
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Does anyone know more about SS Dusty Coleman?
per ESPN: Coleman set to sign with Athletics
Sounds like a good athlete. He was all-state in football, basketball and baseball in high school. He is supposedly going to receive a $700,000 signing bonus.
Supposedly he was drafted in the 28th round as a sophomore
http://www.kansas.com/sports/story/477344.html
A strong summer in the Cape Cod League enticed the A’s to offer him a $700,000 bonus, comparable to what some second-rounders receive. WSU pitcher Aaron Shafer, a second-round pick by the Cubs, earned a $625,000 bonus. Coleman set his price at $700,000 and said once Oakland met it, he couldn’t turn the money down.
Ok, since we're all here and looking for something to talk about/kick around
(This is purely hypothetical and NOT a rumor):
Would you do this trade?
-The A’s take on Barry Zito’s entire remaining contract and get Bumgarner, Villalona, Alderson and Henry Sosa or Schierholtz in exchange for some low-A no-name prospect from the A’s.
Basically, we buy the Giants ~100MM of salary relief for the very best of their entire farm system – the top 4 or 5 guys.
For the A’s, Zito would essentially become a glorified long reliever, with maybe a sub-5% chance of him reclaiming what he had in his mid-20s and being effective enough to return to the rotation. With all our young starters, there would be plenty of days where four low-leverage innings from Zito in the ‘pen would at least finish a game for us. I think he needs to pitch in a completely pressure-free environment for a while, anyway.
The Giants benefit from freeing themselves of the worst contract in baseball, and the A’s have the payroll room to absorb it. Obviously getting four or five very good prospects is what benefits the A’s.
Would you do it as the Giants’ GM? As the A’s? I’m guessing most of us wouldn’t absorb all ~100MM. So, how much would you take on, to get those 4-5 Giants’ prospects?
"The painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me." -Wedding Crashers
by notsellingjeans on Jul 31, 2008 11:11 AM PDT reply actions
nothing
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
that's a really interesting question to ponder...
The 2009 A's draft pick... getting higher every game.
I'd absorb about $25MM ($5M per prospect on average)
and I haven’t given up on Zito
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
We already have 2 Zito Lites in the rotation now
Braden and Eveland.
I personally would like to have seen Zito on the Angels for obvious reasons.
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
Zito was a lot better than Braden and Eveland will ever be
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Aahahahaha
This is nuts, but I like the thoughts.
by VORP is too nerdy on Jul 31, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
that's a fascinating hypothetical
I’d probably align myself with WaddellCanseco’s take, including the parenthetic.
That said, I don’t see the benefit for the Giants. Yes, they’d free up cash, but unless the post-Magowan ownership is utterly panicked about attendance decline and debt service … and even then, it’s a bad idea, because it mortgages a lot of their medium-to-long-term competitiveness and the only way for them to remain competitive (both on-field and for attendance) would be to turn around and spend nearly all of the cash windfall on expensive FAs.
Worse than being dead is being hot. @('.')@
Ellis, Embree, and Emil say Hi
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Aren't young prospects like the ones mentioned generally more valuable than $5MM?
I know there’s work done on this. It wouldn’t be hard to figure out ZIto’s actual value compared to his contract while also figuring in what the others will be worth for the next 6-8 years.
Plus, this hypothetical wouldn’t preclude the A’s from eventually trading Zito down the road.
I think I’d probably make the deal.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
For the whole $100 MM?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
It would depend on the prospects and how many
Might be worth it to do it, and then hope you can get rid of him after a couple years.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
After thinking about it, I say yes. I would swallow about 75M.
Of course I’d haggle to try and take on less than all ~75M, but it would not deter me if all 5 top prospects were included. If it was 4 top prospects, I’d take on about 60M. I guess around 15M a prospect if I liked all of them. Of course scouting would play as big role, as there are some pretty raw guys in their top 5.
I can’t imagine it would pass through league paper work though.
It’s almost crazy enough to work, but it’s so risky for both sides… almost like trading bullets to the face.
The 2009 A's draft pick... getting higher every game.
damn you beane
Kevin Goldstein (11:15:07 AM PT): John (Daly City): Has there been any interest in Duscherer?
Nothing close to what Oakland had hoped for. I just don’t think people really believe in his season.
John Perrotto (11:17:05 AM PT): Athletics are done dealing. They didn’t get they wanted for Duchscherer or Street.
This means that Duke's trade value will likely be higher in the offseason if he finishes strong
And Street will probably have more trade value next July.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
agree on both
As much as I’d love to see full-scale rebuilding right now, we’ll get more for him when people believe in him (i.e. next year even) and Street is at his lowest value ever right now. They’re not making much and they’re both good (Street’s latest stumbles notwithstanding) so they might as well hold on until peak value. It’s boring but it’s smart.
I can hear Glenn Kuiper right now
“Well Ray, the A’s did not make a trade that I think a lot of us were expecting, but guess what, in a way they kind of did. That’s right folks, Frank Thomas is back and healthy and in tonight’s lineup. Stay tuned for A’s Baseball here on Action 36!”
BLAAAAHHHHHHHH
"Do you know that the guy really doesn't like baseball all that much?" - J.P. Riccardi
That made me laugh
because it’s dead-on Glen.
I’d like to have seen you throw in an “RBI Machine” Emil Brown from Ray.
by VORP is too nerdy on Jul 31, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
They'll be trading for Keith Foulke soon as well
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Trade Kuiper NOW!
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jul 31, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
+100000000
"Do you know that the guy really doesn't like baseball all that much?" - J.P. Riccardi
by black beane on Jul 31, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Waive Kuiper Now!
irrevocably!
"All managers are losers, they are the most expendable pieces of furniture on the face of the Earth."- Ted Williams
by Gaijin_Suketto on Jul 31, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
This is boring. I may go back to working.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:44 AM PDT reply actions
Working?
Oh, right. Sothat’s why I’m getting paid..
by VORP is too nerdy on Jul 31, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree.
If the A’s don’t make a move, I’ll feel like I’ve been left with blue balls.
by VORP is too nerdy on Jul 31, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
And left with a team
that hopefully gets a serious overhaul in the off season.
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
I hope you're not a woman
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Let's not get personal here
By overhaul I mean Embree, Foulke, Hannahan, Crosby, Street gone
Gio up and and a few of the prospects competing for a spot eg Cunningham etc.
Hopefully a healthy Devine taking over the closer role
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
I was referring to VORP's blue balls
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
At this point
I wouldn’t mind a lengthy discussion of my blue balls.
Quickly turning purple, mind you, and ready to fall off.
by VORP is too nerdy on Jul 31, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
My apologies
Waddell
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
Take heart, mikey!
Nearly everybody gets blew from time to time.
The meaning of life is not so much 'found,' as it is 'made.' --Opus
by The Dogfather on Jul 31, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
i just blue myself
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
Hey,
isn’t that Dr. Fünke, of “Dr. Fünke’s 100% Natural Good-Time Family-Band Solution”?
Can Magic Sprinkles Now!!! @('.')@
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 31, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The Score 670 Chicago reports that the White Sox are close to acquiring John Lannan from the Nationals.
According to rotoworld.
That doesn’t bode well for Street to them.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:50 AM PDT reply actions
I thought he was a Beatle
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
No he's a National now.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
He is an SP.
3.33 ERA, 12 HR 40 BB 66 K’s in 119 innings.
So there’s nothing spectacular from the peripherals.
by VORP is too nerdy on Jul 31, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but they could move Contreras to the pen and not need Street.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Look at the GB rate.
50.8% in 34.7 IP in 2007, 55.9% this season so far. League average is around 45%.
ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524
Lannan and Hannahan
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
MLB.com Rangers beat writer T.R. Sullivan reports the Reds could be interested in acquiring Nelson Cruz.
Why wouldn’t the A’s take a flyer on Cruz? They liked him once. Also from rotoworld.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:52 AM PDT reply actions
If that was the case, they we will have to admit that the Ginter trade was a mistake haha
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
What about for Putnam and Murphy, or Gray and Marshall, or something like that?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, I wouldn't care if nothing actually valuable was given up.
But I don’t want to sit and pretend that yet another damn AAAA player is going to save the franchise. I’m tired of seeing the Hannahans, the Murphys, the Emil Browns, and the Alan Embrees of baseball coming into the organization. I want to see more of the CarGo, Sweeney, Doolittle, Carter, Cunningham types. Aquire some fucking upside already.
I'm thinking two pretty good AAA players for one AAA superstar
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know why Marshall isn't this team's LOOGY
He’s killing left handers in Sacramento this year.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
If there isn't a move during the offseason...
I’m looking forward to prospect of Jack Hannahan as our starting 3B. Not to mention another year of Crosby.
yay
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
If we had traded for LaRoche, we might have gotten Hannahan at 2B. Crosby's a fixture.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Hannahan
is more acceptable at 2B than 3B…. only because he’d be closer to league average at that position.
by VORP is too nerdy on Jul 31, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Love the new sig line!
One of Vince C.’s most memorable lines from yesterday’s game.
I am Ray Fosse's infatuations with Clay Wood and high-definition television.
by franks a lot on Jul 31, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL at Jonah Keri
Los Angeles, CA: Which shortstops and pitchers are out there for the Dodgers?
Jonah Keri: (2:49 PM ET ) If I'm the A's I'm bombarding Ned Colletti's cell phone with offers of Street and Crosby for one or more of his premium prospects. Judging by how the team has handled LaRoche and overpaid for Blake (not to mention brilliant moves like the Pierre and Andruw Jones contracts), who knows how much they'd give up for Street and Crosby.I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
Damn the grey death strip
You can read it on blog basically saying Beane should be getting premium prospects if the Pierre, Blake, Andruw Jones deals are anything to go by
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
3 way idea
dodgers manny
bos kemp/street
oak laroche/lowrie/bowden
I'd do it without Bowden and even throw in something
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
In other news..
Harden on the mound today leading 5-0 in the 4th.
Jim Edmonds has two HR, including a Grand Slam.
I really miss that guy in St. Louis, but I understand why the Cards got rid of his salary.
by VORP is too nerdy on Jul 31, 2008 12:09 PM PDT reply actions
I see Cubs are busy wiping out Milwaukee's division chances
Edmonds with a solo shot and a GS
Rich Harden with 3 1/3 scoreless innings so far
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
Both thinking same thing by posting simultaneously
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
Cubs..
Are going to run away with it. Cardinals are done, Milwaukee is done.
by VORP is too nerdy on Jul 31, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
mlbtraderumors
Jason Bay Traded To Rays
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 2:11pm CST]
MLB.com’s Bill Chastain with the scoop – the Rays have acquired Jason Bay for Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann. The Rays haven’t confirmed it yet though.
'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.
Eesh.
So I think the Rays might be pretty good this year, eh?
by VORP is too nerdy on Jul 31, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
As long as they "SOMEHOW" beat the Angels
if they face them, that’s all I care about.
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
If the Angels
get as lucky in the playoffs as they’ve been in the regular season, I’m going to be pissed.
I’m especially irked everytime I hear them described as the “best team in baseball”.
by VORP is too nerdy on Jul 31, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
That sounds very good for the Rays.
I’d like the Angels described as the luckiest team in baseball.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
No more deals for the A's.
Now it is time to see if the A’s can win 70 games. With mainly road games the rest of the year, plus inter-division games that we lose more often than win, AUG & SEP look brutal. Time to bring the youngsters up so they can get some time in the BIG HOUSE and dump some dead weight (E.Brown & Embree to start).
I am looking forward to seeing some new faces (callups) in OAK. That is the only positive left for the season. PEACE, OUT.
The swinging (and missing) A's of 2008!!
70 games?
Come on, that’s 18 wins in 2 months (and, I think, 57 games). Even this group is not nearly that bad.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
your call.... it will not be more than 75.
And if it is, I will be seriously happy. Don’t get me wrong, I see many positives for the future. But this season has taken a quick nose dive and the team seems to be dragging ever since the loss to LAA before the break. (The earlier trades did not help their mindset either.)
It is a learning experience for the entire team and coaching staff with so many rooks. I personally feel this team, lacking experience though talented, needs some fire, attitude. Right now, they are pretty bland.
The swinging (and missing) A's of 2008!!
that's roughly a third if the games...not too unrealistic
Birds of a feather flock together....and crap on your car!
Curious here...
Would ya’ll trade for LaRoche just for to have some change in our anemic lineup…even if it means letting go some valuable arms (HROD/Simmons/etc.)? Because some of the apathy seems almost irrational….5 bucks says that after nothing happens today, everyone will start posting how pathetic Beane is and why he didnt acquire Laroche/Holiday/etc for our uber talents of Ellis/Street/Embree/etc.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
Sure thats equal to about
10 Embrees right now…
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
Holliday
I’m not big on him at all. Overrated. LaRoche I’d have liked to have seen traded for…
by VORP is too nerdy on Jul 31, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I would trade HRod in two seconds
for a quality hitting prospect. He throws hard – hooray. And he has huge perceived value right now due to one inning in the futures game. I’ve seen WAY too many hard throwers turn into nothing. As long as a guy can throw over 90 that’s good enough.
Would you trade
HROD+Simmons+Anderson to get it done? Basically, would you want be willing to give up more than what everyone else thinks (LaRoche/Dunn/Insert PTBNL here) is worth just for the sake of it?
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
just for the sake of it?
Never. If it’s worth it? Of course. I don’t know who I would trade – prospect trades seem to always exist with their own sphere and have much more to do with what organizations already have/need. I have no idea what I’d give for LaRoche, mostly because I don’t know what I think he’s worth. I think HRod likely turns into a reliever with good years and bad years, and I think Simmons becomes an average-ish starting pitcher, maybe a tick above. Is that worth LaRoche?
You didn't answer the question...
If you know what you are giving up is worth more than what you are getting in return, but you need that thing in return (in this case a big right handed power bat), would you do it just for the sake of it? Or would you only trade for fair market value in return….
The reason is ask is because people seem to be clamoring for change, especially in regards to a right handed power bat in our lineup…but thats going to cost a lot and sorry but Ellis+Street+Embree+DFA just wont do it. As much as I would like to see a Ryan Braun or so here, it just wont happen unless you know you;re getting ripped in the process.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
ah what you want is a hypothetical
then – no. Unless it’s the trading deadline in 2012 and the A’s need a big bat/arm/whatever to push for the World Series. But we’re hardly at that point. A lot of things are going to change between now and 2012 – at this point we don’t “need” anything because we’re not going to compete – we need to be getting as many assets as possible, some of which haven’t emerged yet. Should the A’s overpay today for LaRoche? No. Because who knows who’s going to show up/become available in 09,10,11, etc. around the times at which the A’s are hoping to really compete again. If we could get LaRoche for fair value, then yes, absolutely.
FWIW..
I think your thought process is akin to BB now…hence no deals, regardless if we have AAAA scrubs in our daily lineup.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
and I agree with him
Why overpay and sacrifice the future so we can win finish 6 games out instead of 10? We’re not going to win the division, we’re not going to win the Wild Card, and even if by chance we did sneak into the playoffs, there are 7 better teams in it than us. But hey, hoping that at some point we do get into the position where we need that one more piece to really go somewhere, do it! Overpay – bring in Evan Longoria or whoever it is in 2012 or 13 to be that final piece.
We should never trade H-Rod except for a premium return.
Hard throwers turn into nothing is true, but how many guys throw 95-100 mph with movement and a real breaking pitch, and are durable enough to consistently go 5-7 IP with high pitch counts per inning?
If someone can name 10 guys like that who eventually turned into nothing, I’ll be impressed.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
If they turned into nothing, it's probably likely most of us have never heard of them
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
So they didn't make to to A+/AA?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll start -- Steve Dalkowski
Who else….anyone? anyone?
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
(chuckle)
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
we can name about 20,000 guys with great stuff who never made it
Or became middling relievers. Jesus Colome springs to mind from the A’s recent past. People went nuts when he was traded for Mecir. Reports on HRod’s slider are very very mixed (I’ve heard everything from great to bad), and either way he’ll need a changeup too if he’s going to stay a starter. And we have no idea about his durability – he’s 21. I’m not saying I’d give him away – I’m just saying given the flameout rate for “stuff” pitchers, if HRod could net a quality hitting prospect in return I’d do it. And I would for Simmons too.
Chad Harville, Todd van Poppel, Luis Viscaino...
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
The Red Sox are willing to pay Manny's salary
so let’s get Manny for the rest of the year. Maybe he’ll boost attendance and bring in some cash for next year. We should also get a compensation pick for him when goes FA.
Birds of a feather flock together....and crap on your car!
"Willing to pay his salary"
does not mean “willing to pay his salary and give him away for doodly squat.”
They want a good-hitting outfielder in return. On the A’s, that basically means Carlos Gonzalez plus more prospects.
Not a chance.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Blanton's value was its highest this past offseason...
Street’s value was its highest this past offseason…
Duke’s value is highest right now…
Lately, Beane isn’t that good at trading players at peak performance.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Apparently Duke's value wasn't that high.
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Whether it's high or not...
It’ll never be any higher.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
Disagree
It’ll be higher in the offseason if he continues to have a very good season.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
What are the chances he'll continue to have a very good season?
I say he’ll still have a quality season. But, it won’t be any better than it is now.
"I'm not going to buy my kids an encyclopedia. Let them walk to school like I did." -Yogi Berra
A 2.75 ERA over a full season has more trade value than a 2 ERA over half/2/3 of a season
Especially for a guy who hasn’t started a full season before. And, like sec says below, he needs to prove he can be durable.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
beane damn do something
how can you let us suffer through 2 months of brown/crosby/embree
so hannahan is the best you can do at 3b???
At the very least...
Play Murton. The season is shot, Brown is done….
by VORP is too nerdy on Jul 31, 2008 12:29 PM PDT reply actions
Murton and Patterson should be playing
These guys have nothing to prove at AAA, so let’s see if they can play in the bigs.
Not in Sacramento
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by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
beane wanted those scrubs
no one forced him to take them
by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 31, 2008 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
closing time, ready for sweep in boston
Kevin Goldstein (12:25:56 PM PT): jtratz (Oakland, CA): Any word on whether the A’s will deal Street, Duchscherer, Embree, Ellis, or anyone else?
A’s seem to be done.
Pirates have closed up their war room, meaning no comment until four. Rays also not confirming anything.
What's that???
He’s not striking out two hitters per inning? He must not have his A-stuff today.
Given his last 3 starts, you know who would have fetched a lot today? Rich Harden. Then again, I’m in the camp that’s happy with the trade.
When is Harden not dealing?
His numbers with the Cubs are fucking ridiculous. He never gives up hits or runs, walks hardly anybody, and strikes everyone else out. It’s likely his best stretch in the majors, and that’s saying a lot.
There was never any doubt about his talent, EVERYONE can see that, the
question was how long could he continue to do it.
by theblackpearl on Jul 31, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't know what this has to do with my post
I was just pointing out that his performance with the Cubs has been freakishly good.
Nice to have some company, RLangford
As you know, though, on AN you aren’t allowed to criticize the Harden trade because it was a foregone conclusion that he would get hurt before the trade deadline, which means that Billy was right to trade him when he did and for the curious hand full of beans that he got. The fact that he hasn’t gotten hurt prior to the trade deadline and would today fetch far more than what the A’s got for him two stiffs already up and down to AAA, plus a highly uncertain prospect in Gallagher is similarly forbidden conversation.
As Oscar Wilde once quipped, only shallow people fail to judge by appearance. And the appearance at the time was that if Billy had waited a week or two he would have been able to trade Rich Harden to somebody willing to give up somebody who could actually hit. Harden may well get hurt prior to the end of the year, but they must be laughing like crazy in Chicago right now. What’s he got, 38 Ks and 2 earned runs in 4 starts?
i never got the freak out about his arm issues prior to the trade
dude hadn’t pitched much at all for several years. was it really shocking to see him have a dead arm period? i guess the real question is, did the a’s medical staff see anything different, or did beane panic and trade him too soon? i think it’s definitely the latter, but that’s based on what we’ve heard about the dead arm issue. if the a’s staff thought it could be a sign of something worse coming on, totally different story. still pissed about that trade – gallagher is a nice piece, but thought we should have gotten one more good one.
by guy incognito on Jul 31, 2008 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Billy already knew what we're still coming to grips with:
That he doesn’t intend for the team to be competitive during the life of Harden’s contract (through 2009).
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Pessimist.
I’ll never come to grips with not intending to be competitive. For one game. One week. One season. Two seasons. Never.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Me neither, but the series of moves this year
(and non moves) has me nervous. The team is still a 3Bman, a SS, and at least one real bat away from even competing.
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What the hell
do you call Hannahan, Crosby, Chavaz and the rest—chopped live…oh.
Never mind.
Can Magic Sprinkles Now!!! @('.')@
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 31, 2008 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Hannanan, chopped liver?
Well kinda, actually.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Steve Sayles says that Chavvy's liver isn't "chopped," but merely "frayed"
Worse than being dead is being hot. @('.')@
frayed so.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
Why did anybody here think anyone would want Street?
None of you want him and you all see him more than anybody. Even his defenders here always sound as if they are trying to convince some GM who happens to be reading the blog—or at the least trying to convince themselves.
Wrong.
People want him traded because he’s a valuable chip. He’s young, still signed through next year, and a good pitcher.
The team has a ton of bullpen depth, and Street makes the most sense to deal.
Keep telling yourself that—it's exactly my point
But you’re wrong about the good pitcher part. For what he does—close—he’s not particulary good right now, and hasn’t really been all season. And he wasn’t all that good last year except for a stretch or two.
So please stop pretending he’s better than he is.
then why are would we want to deal him?
young, still signed through next year, and a good pitcher.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
Because there are other guys who can take his place
Devine and Casilla, namely. Ziegler, too.
They’re all signed longer than Street.
So you're hedging your bet
on one fo the most important positions (closer) for our ballclub….for a known entity that you say is good for:
- Jekyll and Hyde Casillas
- Injured and unproven Devine
- Small sample size Ziegler
that they can take his place for the next 3-5 years?
As much as I enjoy the early months performances of Casillas and Devine and rooting for Ziegler now….i vividly remember the old days of Arthur Rhodes, Jim Mercir, and company…...shudder.
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
btw - dont get me wrong
...i endorse trading street as well…but dont’ think he’s that good. I dont think ziegler, devine, and casillas are cut out yet for closer role….my hope is on HROD developing into one (crosses fingers).
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
Well, first off, closer is not one of the most important positions.
Second, do you really think that Street is going to be given a long term extension for big money by Oakland?
If the answer is no, it makes a lot more sense to trade him if you think you can get more value than 2 draft picks for him.
Wow.
Well, first off, closer is not one of the most important positions........
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
by ST on Jul 31, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
as i said
...............................
"Twenty minutes," says Jack Sr. "Thank god for Billy Beane."
by ST on Jul 31, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Closers are a dime a dozen
It’s the only position where you see 15 guys lose the job and 15 other guys step in and do the job just fine.
What does Huston Street do that Damaso Marte or Ryan Franklin don’t?
Not anyone can be a closer, but plenty of relievers can. That’s the one position you can afford to lose someone and find a capable replacement easily.
"Do you know that the guy really doesn't like baseball all that much?" - J.P. Riccardi
please take embree for free!!!
Lefty Relievers: Ohman, Grabow, Eyre, Mahay
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 2:39pm CST]
2:39pm: Buster Olney says the Phillies will probably come up empty on a lefty reliever.
The Phillies
Are either geniuses for not taking Embree.
Or I despise them for not taking Embree
'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.
lol wtf swisher for that
beane can get him back easily
Jay Jaffe (12:39:58 PM PT): Andrew (Nueva York): I’m hearing Hanrahan, Lannan for Swisher.
Hanrahan, Lannan, a bunch of bananas and a tape of Roseanne Roseannadanna ought to get it done, at least in the Assonance Association. It makes less sense in real life, but when the Griffey deal came over the wire you had to figure there would be another bat moving to break the logjam.
Worst tarde deadline... ever.
"With 16-year-old Dominican righty Michel Inoa in tow, Gio Gonzalez improving at Triple-A and lefty Brett Anderson carving up Double-Abatters along with Simmons and Trevor Cahill, Oakland’s pitching depthis officially the envy of baseball." - BaseballAmerica.com
Yeah
Damn tards, can’t do anything right.
'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.
To add insult to injury we still have to face an angry Manny tomorrow
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 12:56 PM PDT reply actions
last 5 minutes
do you guys think we could get a haul for mr. ZERO ERA?
C’mon the guy has pitched 30 innings and hasn’t given it up yet. Some GM out there must be dreaming of the “Z”
It's just more exciting with Billy Beane running the team.
2 minutes
Nothing.
'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.
1
and done.
'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.
Does this mean no more wacky trade posts by notsellingjeans
We’ve had
1) the “Beane will definitely not deal anyone this year” post;
2) the “St. Louis will take every single player we have for their star minor leaguer” post;
and
3) the “Duke will definitely be gone this Thursday” post.
I enjoy this sort of speculation as much as anyone, but I’m just saying that the track record hasn’t been impressive this year. And I’m sure I left some erroneous stuff about Street out as well.
According to Rotoworld...
Seems like a deal got done… we’ll see…
by baseballnut020 on Jul 31, 2008 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Bay to Boston, too
Just when it seemed the Red Sox weren’t going to be able to find a deal for star slugger Manny Ramirez, they have reportedly dealt the right-handed hitting run producer to the Los Angeles Dodgers. SI.com reported the news. The Boston Globe also reported that the Red Sox had traded Ramirez to the Dodgers. Rumblings are that Jason Bay is in fact going from Pittsburgh to Boston to make it a three-way deal.Details to come.
http://trades.mlblogs.com/
by theblackpearl on Jul 31, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh? Aren't we well past the deadline now?
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
that's what i thought too
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
It's only a deadline...
for reporting the deal to MLB. The details always come in after the deadline.
In other words
they can report it to the media at any time.
And according to the page I quoted from, it was updated at 3:37 EST
Which would’ve been before the deal.
But either way, it always seems information leaks on a few deals just after the deadline.
Now, the real question: How do the A’s get LaRoche from Pittsburgh?
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Might be able to get ADAM LaRoche...
not Andy. He’s there for the forseeable future.
Unfortunately, Adam LaRoche sucks.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
From Rosenthal:
Manny Ramirez has been traded to the Dodgers in a three-team blockbuster, pending the approval of the commissioner’s office, according to a source with knowledge of the deal.Pirates outfielder Jason Bay is headed to the Red Sox. The Pirates will receive Andy LaRoche and right-hander Bryan Morris from the Dodgers and outfielder Brandon Moss and releiver Craig Hansen from the Red Sox.
The Red Sox will pay all of the approximately $7 million remaining on Ramirez’s contract.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
No Kemp?
The Dodgers give up LaRoche and Bryan Morris to get Manny and all of Manny’s salary??
Smacks of desperation by the Sox
Manny and 2 decent-if-not-great pieces, plus all the money, for Bay.
They really, really wanted him out of there. Not that I really blame them.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
well, manny nuked his own value
I mean, look at the Teixiera return, discount it a bit since Manny is insane and the sox are desperate.
What you’re left with is LaRoche and Morris.
Can’t blame them for not sending us LaRoche since he got them Manny.
Pitt has a potential logjam at 3B as well...
With LaRoche and Pedro Alvarez & Neil Walker.
by baseballnut020 on Jul 31, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Has Pedro Alvarez even signed yet?
Methinks one might not want to count one’s chickens pre-hatching. Not that I think he won’t sign, but I’d want to see legit pro-ball numbers before making any plans based on him.
Neil Walker appears, to my cursory inspection, to be godawful, so I wouldn’t worry about him.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I think Walker has probably been promoted through the system too quickly
He’s only 22 and has struggled in AAA, but before that was pretty solid offensively.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
His career OPS is .750
That’s not indicative of a player with any chance of major league success. Particularly considering that it’s dropping, not improving, as he moves up the ladder.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
I think it was a lot higher before he got to AAA
I’m not guaranteeing his success, and I know very little about what type of player he is. I’m just saying that it looks like maybe the PIrates promoted him too aggressively.
by thejd44 on Jul 31, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn
That’s TWO A’s trade targets gone in one blow—and it probably takes Bay off the FA market next offseason to boot.
Time to start tampering with Pat Burrell.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
from cbs sportsline
The Los Angeles Dodgers have acquired slugger Manny Ramirez from the Red Sox, sources tell CBSSports.com senior writer Scott Miller. Also part of the deal, the Red Sox will receive outfielder Jason Bay from Pittsburgh.
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
yup
Pittsburgh gets Craig Hansen and Brandon Moss, both from Boston, as well as third baseman Andy LaRoche from the Dodgers and a fourth minor leaguer who has yet to be confirmed.
from SI.com
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
yeah they were like the last to know it seems
"If you hit .440 with 20 bombs, you don't have to do s---. You don't have to bring a glove to practice, just hit and leave whenever you want. You can bring a 40 and smoke a cigarette and call me from the parking lot asking me what time the game is, and I'll tell you. You can even say 'F--- you, Steve!' Actually, don't say that, that wouldn't be very nice." -Steve Friend, Head Coach, Chabot College Gladiators Baseball
fair enough,
but there weren’t many links above. Figured people might want to read stuff.
R. Harden (CHC) 7 IP, 6 H, 1 ER, 9 K
Nice to see Harden do well at least. I think this season turned into the next when we traded him.
If Harden stays healthy, I wonder if Billy will do more for his medical staff, and believe that the A's
couldn’t keep him healthy, versus Harden is never healthy.
by theblackpearl on Jul 31, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
It kinda makes me wonder if the A's use
the Dusty Baker’s Guide to Health and Longevity? Like that post about the “Fab 5,” is it the A’s medical staff that dooms these players. It even seems like Jermaine Dye has been healthy most of his career in Chicago.
yeah, Larry Davis personally redirected that foul ball onto Jermaine's leg
Worse than being dead is being hot. @('.')@
Yeah that Dye reference came out of left field (maybe right in his case)
Actually, Dye just had bad luck with the A’s like some others, which might seem too common for us. Maybe its more frustrating for us because we rely a lot on these players that go down.
don't get me wrong -- I agree that the A's medical/training staff seems subpar
I also think that Beane made a colossal blunder when he extended Dye immediately after that leg-break.
Worse than being dead is being hot. @('.')@
Especially considering it took
him three full seasons and a ticket out of town to fully recover.
Can Magic Sprinkles Now!!! @('.')@
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 31, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Work to do today, but taking a quick break to check in
It’s past 1:00, and I see nothing on Rotoworld. I take it we didn’t trade anybody else?
"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk
you didn't get the email?
Blez authorized me to trade you to HH.
Worse than being dead is being hot. @('.')@
Howard Hughes?!
WTF does a dead billionaire want with iglew?! I can’t imagine anything good.
...I’m sorry, iglew, there’s nothing we can do—this trade is binding.
Can Magic Sprinkles Now!!! @('.')@
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 31, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
try some ointment.
HH likes his prospects well-moisturized.
Can Magic Sprinkles Now!!! @('.')@
by Leopold Bloom on Jul 31, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Where is the obligatory column on mlb.com, where Billy says, we made all our trades
early, and knew we were done, blah blah blah
For whatever it's worth, another solid start last night for Dan Meyer:
6.2 IP, 6 hits, 2 ER, 1 BB, 7K (102 pitches, 67 strikes). And Barton went 0 for 3, dropping his AAA average to .185.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
He's had about 5 excellent starts in a row.
I can’t find a minor league game log, but I’d estimate that in his last 5 starts his stats look approximately like this:
35 IP, 28 hits, 10ER, 8 BB, 35 K.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
how accurate is minor league gameday?
if it’s reliable, I don’t know that his control is good enough for MLB play. good enough to dominate, AAA, but then, the A’s have plenty of AAAA players.
The 2009 A's draft pick... getting higher every game.
It's right on his MILB.com page...
So, to fill in the blanks
5 GS
34.1 IP
27 H
8 ER
6 BB
26 K
So you were actually remarkably close except on the strikeouts… unfortunately, those are kind of important. Still, worth throwing him out there and seeing what happens.
I would have no problems moving to a 6-man at this point. Every pitcher on the team right now is either young or has injury problems or both.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Oh yeah - I forgot about his 8 IP, 2K performance
I agree with a 6-man rotation – why not? Everyone needs to pitch, and no one needs to throw a lot more innings.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I'd think Eveland and Smith are coming up on their season inning walls (~175?)
Gio, Meyer, Gallagher, Braden and Duke seem just fine. I bet that rotation ends the year.
[Crosby] "Guy that has driven in some big runs for the A's over the years"
by WaddellCanseco on Jul 31, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Smith is probably OK
He’s thrown 180 before. As long as the A’s aren’t totally ridiculous about it and stop him by about 200, he should be fine. He’s not really a “max effort” guy anyway.
Eveland’s prior career high is about 140, and he’s already shown substantial signs of fatigue vis a vis earlier in the season (more walks, more homers, fewer strikeouts). He should be shut down pretty soon. In fact, I might just move him to the pen immediately and call up Meyer to take his rotation spot. 2 months of bullpen work will take him to about 150 IP.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
Does anyone think Billy will wait and offer Duke a 3 year contract
I am thinking that he will wait and see if his ERA ends up about 2.80 or even 3.00
I am hoping his ERA doesn’t go up to 3 but it’s realistic to think at least 2.70 given the innings he has thrown. I know his innings are easier and less pitchers per than many others.
Thoughts?
Obviously, I think he would not talk contract until off season.
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
I think he'll talk extension to Duke
His answer to Duke’s public desire for one was consistent with it: “Let’s see how the rest of the season goes…but yes we’d be open to exploring it.” In other words, the A’s like him and believe in him and don’t intend to negotiate with him at his absolute peak statistically.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
I meant to say
That is why he never talked contract with him this last month because of wanting to see how he pans out the entire season
I hate unproductive outs and the A's are producing them at record production
Last five starts for Meyer
8.0 IP 2 H 0 ER 0 BB 8 K
4.2 IP 9 H 4 ER 0 BB 1 K
7.0 IP 5 H 0 ER 2 BB 8 K
8.0 IP 5 H 2 ER 3 BB 2 K
6.2 IP 6 H 2 ER 1 BB 7 K
Total
34.1 IP 27 H 8 ER 6 BB 26K 2.09 ERA 0.96 WHIP
And for the totals a little mental math (so it could be wrong).
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Damn AN3
This is a reply to Nico above.
"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton
Call him up! Better than Braden!
And we have to see if he can be in the Majors anyways, since he’s out of options next year.
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