Monday Morning Minors Musings: Scoutin' Stockton Edition
Last Thursday night I was able to catch the Stockton Ports take on the Rancho Cucamonga Quakes down here in SoCal. Luckily for me, three of the prospects involved in the Blanton and Harden trades were in the lineup and on the field, offering me a nice, long opportunity to scout these newest A's prospects. The game itself was California-League crazy, featuring 4 lead changes, 32 total hits, and a parade of 8 different pitchers over 10 innings in the 10-8 walkoff, Rancho Cucamonga victory.
Taj's Scouting Reports:
RHP Craig Italiano - Craig started the game for the Ports, marking the 4th start in High-A for the former 2005 2nd round-pick and Texas Native who dominated the Midwest League earlier this season. The injury bug has been unkind to Italiano as he'd been limited to less than 80 innings pitched total from 2005-2007 with various injuries. He's been fully healthy this season and he's looking to fulfill his considerable potential.
Pitching Line (game) - 5 IP, 9 hits, 4 K's, 2 BB's, 2 earned runs allowed
Pitching Line (season, High A) - 19.1 IP, 32 hits, 17 K's, 15 BB's, 24 earned runs allowed
Stuff - Italiano's got a real live arm, that much is sure. The ball explodes out of his hand. His strongest offering is a 4-seam fastball that he was slinging between 87-93mph on the stadium gun. The pitch has late-life, and when located well, is very tough to hit. Two of Craig's K's came from the 4-seamer up around the letters as he got the Quake's power hitters to chase it. Craig also flashed a mid-to-high 80's 2-seam fastball that he seemed to only use against left-handed hitters. The pitch starts on the inner half of the plate and darts to the outside of the plate. At this point, it's basically a show-me pitch to keep hitters off balance, although it does have some nice movement. Italiano also features a nice breaking curveball. Against righties, Italiano used the pitch effectively a few times to get hitters off-balance and to hit weak groundballs off the outside part of the plate. Against lefties, Italiano can bury the offering down near the knees and jam the batter (he got another K using this pitch against a lefty batter, who swung right over the top of it). He has trouble locating the breaking pitch, though.
Pitchability - Italiano was at his best when he established control of the strikezone with the 4-seamer down near the knees, got ahead of hitters and either got them to chase his curveball out of the strikezone or swing right-through high fastballs that rose up near the shoulders. He got into the trouble when his 4-seamer caught too much of the middle of the plate and rose above the knees. He didn't help his cause by falling behind hitters due to his inconsistent curveball location and then HAVING to rely too much on fastballs down the middle.
Pitching Motion/Mound Presence - Craig has a starting pitcher's build. He's a solid 6'4, 210 and can generate a lot of force with his strong lower body. He stays focused on the mound and doesn't show much emotion at all. When his defense committed an error behind him (which led to 2 unearned runs in the inning) Craig didn't seem fazed and went right back to the mound and battled out of it. His motion is a little awkward, as he seemed to be working exlusively from the stretch, slowly bringing his hands in at the belt and then suddenly opening up, stepping forward and releasing. Once he locks and loads, he's very quick to the plate. One guy stole off of him and another got caught stealing. I didn't see his pickoff move at all. (excuse my horrible picture taking/editing skills.)
Taj's *Very Unofficial* Assessment - It's a shame that Craig has lost so much development time due to injury in the past few seasons. His stuff is above-average and his mechanics and mound-presence are solid. I was really impressed by his 4-seam fastball, which seemed to be overpowering at times, but considerably less impressed by his other offerings. It was pretty clear to me that he was probably able to just blow the 4-seamer past Midwest League hitters earlier this season, but is having a real tough time in the Cal League finding enough consistency to keep more advanced hitters off-balance. Craig just needs time to mature, and the more innings he pitches, the more I think he'll refine his secondary pitches to compliment his nice fastball. He might eventually turn into a nice two-pitch reliever, but at this point, with his size and ability to pace himself and go multiple innings, he should be allowed to stay a starter. I think he'll be shut down soon since this is by far the most innings he's pitched in one season, but he should be back in Stockton next season and should be able to fair a lot better next season with lessons learned so far in his rough first exposure to High-A baseball.

2B Adrian Cardenas - Hailed as the centerpiece of the Blanton trade, Cardenas has been scouted as a potential "impact" bat that should be MLB-ready by 2010. He had an impact of sorts on this game...
Stats (game) - 2-for-4, 2 singles, 1 run, 2 RBI's, 1 K
Stats (combined Low-A & High-A) - .306/.368/.438, 5 homers, 28 RBIs, 29-47 K-BB
Batting: Cardenas is an aggressive hitter good at making contact. He's got a nice line-drive swing and one thing I noticed is that he is very balanced at the plate with his legs. He generates the torque and force on his swing with his hips and wrists. He can go inside-out and hit line-drives to the opposite field and can also pull the ball when necessary. With runners on 2nd and 1st and 2 strikes on him, Adrian did a nice job of situational hitting by pounding a one-hopper right in the hole between the 1st and 2nd basemen, scoring Archie Gilbert from 2nd.
Defense: Not known for his glove, Adrian looked about average on defense. He made all the routine plays but struggled with a couple sharply hit one and two hoppers in his zone and looked like his range was below-average, struggling to chorale a grounder to his left. His arm wasn't tested much, but like I said, he made all the plays he was supposed to and turned a nice DP once.
Unofficial Assessment: When I think of Adrian, I immediately get glimpses of Todd Walker in his prime (not when he was briefly on the A's last season). Adrian could be a near .300 average hitter with an .800+ OPS for several seasons in the major leagues who will play adequate defense. I think he can stay at 2nd long-term, since his bat will be so plus for the position, however he could probably be a decent third baseman.
C Josh Donaldson - Josh came over in the Harden deal and seemed like a throw-in, considering his atrocious stats in the Midwest League earlier this season. However, he was one of those guys that Beane has been interested in for awhile and so far, he's rewarding Billy's persistence after being assigned to the Ports.
Stats (Combined, Low-A & High-A) - .246/.309/.406, 11 homers, 38 RBIs, 25-54 BB-K
Battlng: Donaldson, like Cardenas, gets into a very balanced stance at the plate. He crouches lower than Adrian and he's a little bigger, so you can see that his stroke and stance are built for power. His swing is a little long, but you can tell that he has very good strikezone discipline and doesn't take a hack at pitches that aren't strikes. Twice he struck out on called 3rd pitches that he did not think were strikes. He also walked once, and although he went hitless in the game, I thought that he had a good plan at the plate and did not get fooled or make bad contact on his balls in play.
Defense: The Ports' pitchers gave Josh a workout on the evening. In the 4th and 5th innings Italiano lost the feel for his curveball and frequently threw it in the dirt to the left and right equally. Reliever Scott Moore also buried his fair share of balls in the dirt, but Josh blocked each and every one, showing himself to be very agile and active behind the plate. Quakes' speedster Peter Bourjos was able to grab a stolen base on the Italiano/Donaldson battery early on in the game, but the stolen base came on an inside, slow curve into a left-handed batter and was the result of a botch hit and run attempt. Donaldson would go on to nab a baserunner later in the game, showing off a strong arm and a nice, easy catch and throw technique that was very deliberate but not hurried.
Unofficial Assessment: Josh is a really nice all-around catching prospect. To me, he didn't seem at all like the "all-bat, raw defensive" product he was made out to be. He has a nice swing and plate patience, yes, and good power potential, but he showed off some impressive skills behind the plate and even showcased some leadership abilities, constantly communicating with the infielders and talking with his pitchers during crisis times. With Suzuki on the big club, Powell finally getting going in AAA, Donaldson in the mid-levels of the system and Petey Paramore recently drafted, the A's are suddenly fairly deep at the catching position.
OF/1B Matt Spencer - And speaking of "throw-ins"...Spencer was certainly one in the Joe Blanton trade. The lefty Arizona State product wasn't doing much of anything when the A's acquired him, but he's getting a chance with a new organization and doing fairly well...
Stats (combined Cal League & Florida State League): .262/.331/.378, 6 homers, 7 steals, 33-69 BB-K
Batting: Spencer seemed a little disjointed at the plate. Although listed at 6'4 225, he seems kind of gangly with the bat. He seems like he can really open up and put a charge through the ball, but he generally seemed a lot less balanced at the plate than Donaldson or Cardenas. He got a single in the game, but otherwise didn't look particular locked-in or impressive.
Defense: I'll forgive Spencer's mostly unimpressive night with the glove seeing as how he's playing 1st base for the first time in his pro career due to the glut of outfielders on the Stockton roster. But there were two plays in particular that showed that Spencer has a lot of work to do to turn himself into a competent 1st basemen. The first involved a slow roller up the 1st base line that Spencer charged somewhat lazily, and even though he picked up the ball while the batter was still below him on the base line and he had plenty of time to compose himself and simply tag the runner out, Spencer turned his back to the batter and instead hurriedly looked to Italiano who wasn't close to covering the bag. The other play involved a sharp single that whizzed past Spencer into right field; Matt Sulentic collected the ball and fired to home to try to nab a runner hoping to score from second. Josh Horton deftly realized that the throw home was going to be too late and cut off the throw near the grass/dirt partittion between 1st and 2nd. He had the batter caught in-between the two bases and began to run him back to 1st where Spencer should have been waiting for the throw and the tag out...but he wasn't. He was back on the 1st base line in no-man's land. Odd...
Very Unofficial Assessment: Nobody ever indicated that Spencer was a polished product NOR a natural 1st basemen when the A's acquired him. He's a raw talent with intriguing power potential that would probably top out as a 4th/5th outfielder if he reaches his full potential. That's kind of a the definition of a "throw in" if you ask me...
Other Observations of the Ports:
- Chris Carter (pictured below smacking a go-ahead double to dead center) is an impressive physical specimen. He smacked two shots to dead center, one that was caught and this one that was not. His pitch-recognition skills seemed raw, as he was guessing in at least two plate appearances and missing breaking pitches by about a foot, but he didn't miss this one!
- Matt Sulentic is my new favorite Port. The guy can flat-out hit. He went opposite field, line-drive single to left in first at-bat, line-drive single to right in his second at-bat and 2-run monster shot to right-center in his 4th at-bat. That's twice now that I've seen Sulentic pull a ball into right field for a homer with my own eyes. For a young guy, his ability to use all-fields and drive the ball was very impressive. He strikes me as kind of a left-handed Aaron Cunningham, without the ability to play center: he can do a lot of things well, play pretty good D, hit for high average and power and run the bases decently. He could make an above-average 4th outfielder.
News & Notes From Around the System
- Josh Outman had a 2nd straight poor outing with his new organization, as he gave up 3 runs and 5 hits over only 2 innings last Friday.
- Jared Lansford has been promoted from Stockton to Midland and pitched a scoreless inning of relief in the same Midland game last Friday. With Cahill and Andreson hitting the road to Beijing in a week or so, Lansford should see a bunch of time in either the rotation or in middle relief.
- OFer Aaron Cunningham had an absolutely monster game at the plat last night. He went 4-for-6 with 2 homers, 4 RBIs, a double and a steal. He's now hit 11 homers on the season and sports an overall batting line of .315/.384/.500. If Keith Lippman is to be believed Aaron will make the jump directly to the big leagues from Double-A in September and will likely be up to stay from there on out!
- After a short rehab with the Arizona Rookie League team, 2008 3rd round draft pick Petey Paramore has been assigned to Kane County. So far on the season Petey is showing an impressive batting eye, walking 12 times against 4 strikeouts.
- Speaking of the Cougars, Jemile Weeks has finally started swinging a bat for them, with 17 hits in his last 45 at-bats to go along with an overall 13-12 BB-K mark, a homer and 6 steals in 17 games.
- I feel obligated to mention Rookie League superstar SS Nino Jeyja once again. Who is this guy? He just hits and hits and hits and walks and steals bases and plays on the left side of the infield. What could be better? I'm getting really, really excited to see what he might do as an 18-year old next season for Vancouver or possibly even Kane County.
A's Prospects in the News
1. Brett Anderson is listed #2 on last week's BA Prospect Hotsheet. Besides pointing out that he has become one of the best all-around best pitching prospects in the minors, BA mentions that his fastball and secondary pitches are "frequently plus offerings", that he has "premium command" and that him and Gio form the best 1-2 punch of lefty prospects in the entire minor leagues.
2. The system got three mentions in the BA Hotsheet Chat session. In the first quip, Ben Badler notes that Anderson will probably beat Cahill to the majors because he has slightly better command, however Cahill will be the more valuable pitcher long term, while both guys rank ahead of H-Rod in both Major League ETA and eventual value (maybe because he profiles best as a reliever). In the 2nd quip, Badler comes out and states that Cahill, Gio and Anderson are the best all-around trio of pitching prospects in the game. In the 3rd mention, Badler addresses rumors that the Chisox are offering LHP Aaron Poreda and 3B Josh Fields for the Duke. Badler notes that Poreda profiles as a power reliever, while I question this rumor, since I bet Beane would have already pulled the trigger on that trade if it was ever offered.
There is also a subscriber-only feature about the rebuilt A's farm system on the BA site, however, I am not a subscriber, so I can't report about it's contents. Please let me know if any of you are subscribers and if the article contains anything that we don't already know.
3. Not sure if everyone caught this on the A's official site, but farm director Keith Lieppman answered some MLB.com questions about the A's system during the All Star Break. Everyone should check it out if possible.
4. Minorleaguebaseball.com blogger Kevin Czerwinski has some interesting things to say regarding Chris Carter. He notes that Chris has been getting in a lot of fielding practice and 3rd and might stick there for at least the foreseeable future.
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nice work, recommended
I remember when Italiano was drafted that there was some “wow” commentary about this (at the time) high schooler who threw upper-90’s fastballs. Any information on whether that was true, and if so, why he doesn’t seem to be throwing as hard? (Although I’d much rather see low-mid 90’s with good command than high 90’s without command.)
by OaklandSi on
Jul 28, 2008 8:12 AM PDT
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Italiano most definitely flashed upper 90's heat out of high school.
But at this point, he’s missed so much time with injury the last few years and is wayyyyyyy past his career highs in innings pitched that it makes sense that he’s not lighting up the radar guns. I’d imagine that early next season we’ll see an uptick in his velocity.
by Taj Adib on
Jul 28, 2008 9:47 AM PDT
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Don't count on high 90's anymore
I think Italiano’s days of throwing in the high 90’s are likely over. To achieve that velocity, Italiano used a max effort delivery that made scouts and pitching coaches wince, and he had very little command or control. The A’s are trying to smooth out his mechanics and sacrifice velocity in order to gain health and command. I would expect him to sit in the low 90’s and touch mid 90’s by the time he gets to the majors—assuming he gets there, of course.
by BlameChannel53 on
Jul 28, 2008 10:24 AM PDT
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One thing I wonder is if the A's are planning
for Cunningham to jump to the big league club in September, maybe for keeps, why do they keep him in AA now instead of promoting him to Sacramento to see how he does against, and get him accustomed to, better competition?
Great writeup, Taj – especially cool to hear a “first-hand” scouting report as part of the update.
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by Nico on
Jul 28, 2008 9:07 AM PDT
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I really enjoyed reading this, Taj
I agree with Nico on Cunningham, and also wonder why they’d use up the 40-man roster spot for him in the offseason rather than waiting till next season.
When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!
by WaddellCanseco on
Jul 28, 2008 9:27 AM PDT
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They have 6 outfielders on the Sac roster already, and at least 4 of them are still prospects, or
players the A’s think could help, or be parts in a trade. They have Buck, Murton, Robnett( the least likely future Athletic),Putnam and Denorfia. They also have Gaetti, but he has been down to Midland a few times.
by theblackpearl on
Jul 28, 2008 9:34 AM PDT
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I was wondering if that was the reason, but it seems to me
that if Cunningham is the “surest callup” of all of them, then he should have priority. Maybe the idea is that they need to know what Putnam and Robnett can do, but they feel sure that Cunningham is “good to go in the bigs come Sept”. Still, I’d sooner see Denorfia, or Robnett, at AA, then back at AAA next April, than stall Cunningham from making a more natural and gradual progression.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Jul 28, 2008 9:39 AM PDT
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It might also be something as simple as Sacramento is closer to Oakland than Midland...
and since Denorfia, Robnett and Buck are all currently on the 40-man roster (while Cunningham is not), it makes sense for them to be close to the team in everyday playing shape in case they are needed in a sudden emergency situation on the big club.
Also, it seems like the A’s brass seems to think that the difference between Double-A and Triple-A competition isn’t that great (see Buck, Travis) and if Cunningham proves he can master the Texas League with regular at-bats, he should be sufficiently prepared for the big leagues come September.
by Taj Adib on
Jul 28, 2008 9:44 AM PDT
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AA vs. AAA
I always thought that MLB philosophy was that if you can make it in AA, you can make it in the major leagues. So AA is for prospects, and AAA a little more for organizational filler.
by sec119 on
Jul 28, 2008 9:52 AM PDT
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I can answer both of these questions
They are keeping him in AA to avoid him having to pick up stakes and move unnecessarily. Also, many teams see the AAA team as kind of a well of despair and try to have their top prospects avoid it if possible (think Todd Linden in the clubhouse, here). I would estimate that 50% or more of top prospects avoid AAA entirely their first time through the minors.
As for why they’re using the roster spot, he’s Rule 5 eligible in December and will have to get a roster spot regardless.
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by PaulThomas on
Jul 28, 2008 9:59 AM PDT
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Ah it all makes sense now
When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!
by WaddellCanseco on
Jul 28, 2008 12:03 PM PDT
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Putting AC on the 40 man roster
would protect him from the rule 5 draft, right? Can someone verify this? Thanks Taj, great write up!
by mrod on
Jul 28, 2008 10:42 AM PDT
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Good stuff
Although I was a bit surprised to see Cardenas only slugging in the low 4s with a .306 average.
I hope you’re right that he can stick at second (especially if we let Ellis go)
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on
Jul 28, 2008 9:08 AM PDT
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BA Article
It doesn’t say anything to specific just how Beane has redone the organization completely.
Good article just not much for specifics. Looks to be the cover story for the next magazine as there is frequent refences to certain pages when discussing prospects.
Very nice job as always.
by Bud Light on
Jul 28, 2008 9:08 AM PDT
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Two things I didn't know
1) Simmons suffered from a sleep disorder earlier in the season which contributed to his ineffectiveness and lack of stamina
2) Inoa is likely to go to Extended Spring Training next year. He might not ever play in the DSL
When you have a chance to get a guy like Sean Gallagher, you take it!
by WaddellCanseco on
Jul 28, 2008 9:38 AM PDT
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Somebody needed Sleep Train
Whoo Whoo!
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by Nico on
Jul 28, 2008 9:40 AM PDT
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Was the cure learning how to count sheep?
I hear that works for everyone (except Nico)
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on
Jul 28, 2008 9:43 AM PDT
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It works fine for me,
unless I have to resort to counting imaginary ones.
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Jul 28, 2008 10:04 AM PDT
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With a little bit of hinting that Moneyball is full of shit ...
to paraphrase … The A’s use scouts and draft high school kids, we were right, they ‘appeared’ to be wrong … woohoo!!
"It's for your own good. Big strong Devo knows whats best for Poppy" -- Mossback
by devo on
Jul 28, 2008 10:51 AM PDT
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Which is preposterous, of course
The reason drafting college players made so much sense in 2000-2002 was because everyone was drafting high school players.
Any Wall Street broker worth a dime’s commission will tell you that the huge increase in the OTHER teams’ frequency of taking college draftees should have the effect of decreasing Oakland’s, if Oakland knows what it’s doing.
Your 2008 Athletics: It's Nothing Personal.
by PaulThomas on
Jul 28, 2008 10:59 AM PDT
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and by oakland
you mean us.
the royal us.
by oakinboston on
Jul 28, 2008 11:02 AM PDT
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horton not played since friday
injured?
rumors of a deal?
by Asfan4ever723 on
Jul 28, 2008 9:11 AM PDT
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This is the A's we're talking about
I’d take door A every time.
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by PaulThomas on
Jul 28, 2008 10:00 AM PDT
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He made all the routine plays but struggled with a couple sharply hit one and two hoppers in his zone and looked like his range was below-average, struggling to chorale a grounder to his left.
He tried to field the ball by singing to it? Jeez, no wonder he’s an ineffective defender.
Good work as usual, Taj. I’m wondering if Corey Brown played in this game (you know I have the [strictly heterosexual] hots for the guy, just curious how he did) and if so what your thoughts were.
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by PaulThomas on
Jul 28, 2008 9:53 AM PDT
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Ha! How do you spell the word I was looking for? "Kor-al?"
Unfortunately, Brown did not play in the game I attended Paul and I was sort of bummed about that. It might have had something to do with the fact that Rancho was starting a lefty on the mound (although Jermaine Mitchell and Sulentic were both in the starting lineup, so maybe not).
I was predicting that Brown would really take off in the Cal League, what with his major power potential and with Banner Island Ballpark’s short right-field porch, but that is not the case. I like the guy’s game too and am hoping for a major tear down the stretch from him.
by Taj Adib on
Jul 28, 2008 10:01 AM PDT
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I'm only familiar with "corral"
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Jul 28, 2008 10:08 AM PDT
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that's the one he means.
as in: corralling sheep to the bedroom so as to make them available for counting while falling asleep
by oakinboston on
Jul 28, 2008 10:23 AM PDT
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ZZZZzzz...mmm...
I like Cindi. A. She never pretends to know more than she does. B. She has unbridled enthusiasm for her "Hotties," and isn't afraid to show it. -IM4Oakgal
by Nico on
Jul 28, 2008 10:25 AM PDT
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Oh boy, mentioning sheep on this board could get a member or two excited
http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/
by thejd44 on
Jul 28, 2008 10:48 AM PDT
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Nico has two members???
{runs away}
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on
Jul 28, 2008 11:05 AM PDT
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He'll turn it around
He seems to be a very streaky hitter, for reasons that I (unfoundedly) speculate have to do with a short attention span and a tendency to get frustrated.
Well, if he was a Mensa member, he’d undoubtedly have been picked higher than 59th…
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by PaulThomas on
Jul 28, 2008 11:03 AM PDT
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Either that,
or he would be employed figuring out baseball stats instead of playing.
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by alox on
Jul 28, 2008 12:31 PM PDT
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whats your take on mitchell
he cant hit lefties
he did well in a tough mwl, i expected him to tear up the cal league. seems like another toolsy, low results guy like robnett/hererra etc. his ability to play cf, probably gives him a chance at least until the hitting catches up.
by Asfan4ever723 on
Jul 28, 2008 10:08 AM PDT
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Is this really Jermaine to the discussion?
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by Nico on
Jul 28, 2008 10:12 AM PDT
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He needs to just make more contact.
Jermaine did well in Midwest League last season and Vancouver in 2006 due to the fact that he used his speed and gap power to beat-out hits and find holes in the defense (.435 BABIP in Vancouver, .377 in Kane County last season). So far this season, his BABIP has taken a nosedive to .301 as he’s on-pace to eclipse his career high 115 strikeout mark from last season and is hitting less line drives than he did in 2006 and 2007.
So, what he needs is to do is shorten his swing, make more consistent contact and trust his speed to get on-base. He’s a decent center fielder so yeah, I agree with you that he still has a chance or two to improve his stock, but he needs to make those adjustments soon.
by Taj Adib on
Jul 28, 2008 10:38 AM PDT
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Sounds like he just needs to become a better hitter
Judging by his BABIP, looks like he’s had luck on his side thus far..
by GusanoQuemador on
Jul 28, 2008 10:41 AM PDT
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I like that word "just"
Makes it sound like a simple matter of a little tweaking, rather than that his prospect status is hanging on by the barest of threads (unfortunately)... there’s just (that word again!) sooooo much that needs to be done to overcome that “just”...
by Faust on
Jul 28, 2008 7:58 PM PDT
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Jaj, great info
Keep up the good work. Enjoyed comments of others as well. Great job by all.
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by Charlie Brown on
Jul 28, 2008 10:36 AM PDT
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Quick note on Sulentic
He left last night’s game and it looked like he was really favoring his left arm/shoulder. He was hit by a pitch in that area in the third and was briefly checked out but stayed in the game until going to third on a single. At that point he was removed.
Rough game for the Ports, too. After taking a 7-1 lead after three innings Henry Rodriguez and newcomer Michael Benacka coughed up a 7-spot in the fourth and went on to lose 12-7.
6 of Rodriguez’s 10 outs came via strikeout but he also allowed 7 hits, walked 3, and gave up 7 runs. Benacka has pitched in two games so far, lasting just an inning total while allowing 4 runs, 2 hits and 3 walks. Ouch.
Matt Spencer went 3-for-4 with a double and improved to 15-for-35 in 9 games with Stockton since the Blanton trade. Flip a couple numbers around and he’s gone from .249 in the Florida State League to an early .429 in the Cal League.
Adrian Cardenas picked up a couple more hits and Chris Carter was on base three times (via a hit and a pair of walks). Corey Brown continued to struggle with an 0-for-4 that saw his Stockton average dip under .200 so far. He’s only 4-for-34 in Banner Island Ballpark since the promotion, 9-for-33 elsewhere. Josh Donaldson got the night off.
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by Flashfire on
Jul 28, 2008 10:41 AM PDT
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Italiano
I mentioned this in the one write-up I did of a Kane County game earlier in the year. He’s not very economical with his pitches. He reminded me a lot of Harden when he’s off his game, still very good but throwing far too many pitches to each batter (I’m not comparing his overall ability, or any specific pitches to Harden, just in this one specific way). Taj, I’m wondering if you noticed the same sort of thing. Were there times where it looked like he was nibbling after 2 strikes or trying too hard for the strikeout? In the game I saw, and from talking to a beat reporter who had watched him plenty, it didn’t seem like players were fouling off lots of pitches (as is often the case with Harden). He just couldn’t put guys away quickly enough, and therefore was only going 5 innings a lot of games. That’s mostly why I see him as a reliever in the future.
http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/
by thejd44 on
Jul 28, 2008 10:51 AM PDT
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I think that's a problem Rodriguez is still running into at this stage.
He got in a number of high counts last night and had a couple times where the batter spoiled off a few pitches as well. Aside from that, he just didn’t look as unhittable as he was the first time I saw him back in April. Could’ve just been a bad game, but he’s struggled with his control and pitch placement.
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by Flashfire on
Jul 28, 2008 11:10 AM PDT
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Come to think of it, yes...
I noticed this tendency with Craig. Lots of breaking pitches on the edges of the strike zone in 2-strikes counts, overthrowing the fastball, etcetera. Good observation. I think this tendency also has to do with his experience-level. He hasn’t really stayed on the mound long enough in any one season to develop a consistent ability to spin an out-pitch consistently. He’s still just a thrower, and like H-Rod his future probably lies in the bullpen, but he needs to figure out a good way to work out of jams.
by Taj Adib on
Jul 28, 2008 11:38 AM PDT
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I look forward to your report every Monday
Thanks for all your effort.
by Laoren on
Jul 28, 2008 11:31 AM PDT
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This was listed in the DLD but since it's minors related and some don't read DLDs,
I thought I’d repost it here.
The A’s have signed 28th round pick Dustin Coleman for a sizably over-slot bonus. He was a draft-eligible sophomore from Wichita State. The A’s apparently followed him during his summer season in the Cape Cod league and liked his ability to hit with a wood bat.
I’m surprised they were able to announce the signing 18 days before the deadline. Perhaps Coleman also qualifies for the multi-sport exemption (which I understand is fairly easy to manipulate).
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by PaulThomas on
Jul 28, 2008 12:24 PM PDT
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What is the multi-sport exemption?
He didn’t play another sport at WSU, if that is part of it.
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by sprtsnwyn on
Jul 28, 2008 12:50 PM PDT
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Honestly?
Couldn’t tell you. I know it exists. I know it’s used to justify signing players to over-slot bonuses. Other than that and the name of it (obviously it has something to do with playing other sports) I cannot tell you anything.
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by PaulThomas on
Jul 28, 2008 1:12 PM PDT
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The big advantage
of the multi-sport exemption is that it allows a team to spread out the payment of any signing bonus over a 5-year period without having to sign a player to a major league contract. Absent the use of the multi-sport exemption or a major league contract, any signing bonus has to be paid immediately by the team, which is why you see major league contracts used when signing bonuses become big dollar for players who don’t qualify for the multi-sport exemption.
I’m not sure why MLB deems it more acceptable to sign multi-sport athletes prior to the August 15th deadline, but let’s face it, MLB probably doesn’t have any good reason. MLB’s attempt to regulate the draft is nothing more than a joke anyway, and with the amount of cash flowing to teams right now even former locksteppers like Oakland and Pittsburgh are ignoring MLB slot guidelines.
by BlameChannel53 on
Jul 28, 2008 1:29 PM PDT
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Sweet ...
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by devo on
Jul 28, 2008 12:51 PM PDT
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Hey devo
Are you still hankering for a pitch database?
Your link piqued my interest, as I am forever frustrated by the dearth of sufficiently flexible/customizable pitch and at-bat reporting. So I uploaded all the 2008 pitchfx xml files (doing 2007 tonight, perhaps), and parsed it all into a SQL database.
(my perl knowledge is basically zero, but I am pretty handy in SQL)
So now I have all this data, and can generate zillions of queries/views/reports with relative ease, like so:
(pitch categorization > 70% confidence) Name Date GameLocation CH CU FA FC SL --------------- ----------- ------------ ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- ----------- Dana Eveland Apr 5 2008 oak 1 15 63 0 10 Dana Eveland Apr 10 2008 tor 14 9 51 0 21 Dana Eveland Apr 15 2008 cha 20 5 50 2 8
Or so:
Name Date MaxVelocity --------------- ----------- ------------- Huston Street Jun 15 2008 89.7 Huston Street Jun 20 2008 90.4 Huston Street Jun 21 2008 89.8 Huston Street Jun 24 2008 91.5
Those are obviously super-simple examples, and I’ve yet to really familiarize myself with the data … but much is possible.
Anyway, I might at some point work on making the db available somewhere on the intertubes for querying and such (though I’m positive some highly capable programmer-type ANer could do a much, much, much better job than me), but until then, I do plan on updating it (almost) daily, and probably making a few canned views and reports for my own investigative uses.
So if you have any particular data needs that prove difficult to extract elsewhere, let me know.
by 74mk on
Jul 28, 2008 1:13 PM PDT
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If you need some help with the front-end
I have some experience with perl (although much more with ASP). My design sense is laughable but I’d be happy to help with some clean/simple web pages.
I don’t know if you’re quite set up for that (and it would have to be somewhat soon since I start working in mid-September), but I thought I’d offer.
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on
Jul 28, 2008 1:38 PM PDT
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"If you need some help with the front-end"...
Now I’m getting the same spam here on AN?
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by Nico on
Jul 28, 2008 2:42 PM PDT
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I think if nevermoor wants to Extenze an invitation to help 74mk, that should be allowed
http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/
by thejd44 on
Jul 28, 2008 11:38 PM PDT
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Thanks in advance
I might take you up on that.
If you add your email address to your profile (or type it here) I’ll follow up with you and devo sometime tonight or tomorrow.
by 74mk on
Jul 28, 2008 3:37 PM PDT
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my screenname at gmail
"There's never enough time to do all the nothing you want" -Bill Watterson
by nevermoor on
Jul 28, 2008 3:44 PM PDT
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I'm glad we're not face to face ...
because I might then have to kiss you …
If you can get together with nevermoor and make that internets thing happen, that would be incredible. One way or the other, send me an e-mail so I can follow up with you …
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by devo on
Jul 28, 2008 2:56 PM PDT
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A small addition
I didn’t see this in the original article but:
He planned on returning to WSU for most of the summer. He hit .330 in 26 games for Bourne (Mass.) in the Cape Cod League after turning down a reserve role with the U.S. National team. Saturday, he played the Cape’s All-Star game.
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by sprtsnwyn on
Jul 28, 2008 3:27 PM PDT
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Paul, where do you get this?
You don’t provide a link, so I’d surmise that it’s subscriber-only BA content?
And what position does he play?
by Faust on
Jul 28, 2008 8:09 PM PDT
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Never mind
I checked out the DLD. Thanks for pointing me to it.
by Faust on
Jul 28, 2008 8:36 PM PDT
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He's a shortstop
At least in theory, we know how these things work.
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by PaulThomas on
Jul 28, 2008 11:31 PM PDT
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good article
Good info – way to be, Taj.
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by talex on
Jul 28, 2008 3:32 PM PDT
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Baggy Baby is Back
I see that Fez hatted taj adib got a glimpse of the much talked about farm teams. I am excited too. Plus its a good distraction from the sinking ship A’s season. However I am worried that once some of these guys get to the biggs and peform they will only end up being traded away for more young prospects. It feels like a revolving door franchise.
by Baggy Baby on
Jul 31, 2008 10:42 AM PDT
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