Nady Traded To Yankees

by Nico on Jul 25, 2008 5:36 PM PDT

Here's the story. I thought it might be worthy of a fanpost since Nady's name has been included in discussions regarding possible A's trades. I don't know if this trade decreases the odds that the Pirates will deal Jason Bay - if it were Billy Beane it wouldn't, as Beane has twice traded two key players within a week of one another. Someone more familiar with the Yankees' prospects can analyze who got the better end of this apparent deal.

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Marte

Marte was also included in the deal.

'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
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by Morgasm on Jul 25, 2008 5:38 PM PDT 0 recs

MLB Trade Rumors says that the deal is bad for Pittsburgh

doesn’t think that the main guy the Bucs got for Nady/Marte was a good guy to be a centerpiece of a deal, and would rather it had been Ian Kennedy.

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by Zonis on Jul 25, 2008 5:41 PM PDT 0 recs

this isn't surprising

isn’t this the same team that traded for an aging and expensive Matt Morris last year. Team’s like Pittsburgh will always suck.

by sf drift king on Jul 26, 2008 12:10 AM PDT up 0 recs

Jose Tabata might or might not be a good prospect

He’s in a no way comparable to Matt Morris.

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by rfloh on Jul 26, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up 0 recs

They have completely new management now

It’s more than a little unfair to say this. Huntington is from the Cleveland organization, which has done pretty well on a small budget recently.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 26, 2008 9:01 AM PDT up 0 recs

To add

The Pirates got the following guys:

Jose Tabata – Double A Trenton
.248 AVG, 3 HR, 36 RBI, 10 SB 79 Games

Ross Ohlendorf – Triple A Scranton
4.03 ERA, 1-1, 22.1 IP, 25 SO

Phil Coke – Double A Trenton
2.60 ERA, 9-6, 114.1 IP, 109 SO

George Kontos – Double A Trenton
3.77 ERA, 3-9, 107.1 IP, 103 SO

This doesn’t look THAT good for the Pirates.

'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.

by Morgasm on Jul 25, 2008 5:41 PM PDT 0 recs

Tabata is 19 in AA

.763 OPS in A+ at 18; .797 OPS at A at 17. He’s a great prospect.

The A's colors are green and gold.

by mikeA on Jul 25, 2008 5:50 PM PDT up 0 recs

"Great"?

See: rant about ARL in the other thread. He basically hasn’t had an extra-base hit all year, and the scouting reports on him are terrible.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 25, 2008 7:15 PM PDT up 0 recs

ARL has nothing to do with it

I don’t know about the scouting reports, but the Yankees obviously liked him enough to put him in AA at age 19. He had a reasonable number of xbh the past two years, and why should we expect him to do anything in AA this year? He’s probably the youngest guy in the league. It’s a strange decision by the Yanks to put him there, but that’s not his fault. To hit as well as he did in the FSL at age 18 is extremely impressive.

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by mikeA on Jul 25, 2008 7:25 PM PDT up 0 recs

Fernando Martinez is in AA too,

in the same league. He’s a couple months younger. And he was in AA last season too.

The scouting reports say he has makeup and conditioning issues.

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by rfloh on Jul 26, 2008 12:41 AM PDT up 0 recs

xbh? ask araksot about those.

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by xbhaskarx on Jul 26, 2008 1:58 AM PDT up 0 recs

I'd rather consult my prescription

Who needs competence as long as everyone smiles? @('.')@

by monkeyball on Jul 26, 2008 7:43 PM PDT up 0 recs

If you believe in Tabata's upside

this deal might work for Pittsburgh.

I’m looking up these other guys, and I’m not sold on Tabata’s upside.

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by grover on Jul 25, 2008 7:41 PM PDT up 0 recs

yankees fans seem to have lost their enthusiasm for tabata

A's v Giants "is kind of like the difference between going to see the Ramones and going to see the Bee Gees. A's fans will go see the Ramones." -BB 07/27/05

by xbhaskarx on Jul 26, 2008 1:59 AM PDT up 0 recs

Also

I noticed that Brignac isn’t in AAA Durham’s lineup. Maybe a Rays trade is going down tonight as well.
Nothing to back the idea up, just speculation.

'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.

by Morgasm on Jul 25, 2008 5:44 PM PDT 0 recs

Perhaps the oft rumoed/hoped about Street and Murton deal?

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by Zonis on Jul 25, 2008 5:48 PM PDT up 0 recs

Personally

That is what I’m hoping for…

'Who's that guy we had to release last year because he robbed a bank?'- Billy Beane
Sean Gallagher is my hero.

by Morgasm on Jul 25, 2008 5:50 PM PDT up 0 recs

I believe Tampa was in talks with PIT about Nady

Maybe Street/Murton was their Plan B. I hope so.

You prefer a magic trick, instead? Watch me make this pencil disappear.

by Swooney's Left Foot on Jul 25, 2008 6:01 PM PDT up 0 recs

I hope Street/DFA was the Plan B

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on Jul 25, 2008 6:47 PM PDT up 0 recs

I don't think thats anyone's plan B

sounds more like a plan C-

The Stockton Ports pitching staff is better than the Orioles.

by gdub171 on Jul 25, 2008 7:07 PM PDT up 0 recs

Youkilis has a big supply of Plan B.

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by Ozzz on Jul 26, 2008 2:08 AM PDT up 0 recs

looks good...

for the Yankees that is. Marte is a top lefty specialist. They need that. I’ve also been a fan of Nady and with Hideki down the Yankees were in need of someone they could count on in the OF

by ilovegregsmith on Jul 25, 2008 5:46 PM PDT 0 recs

One less lefty specialist is good for anyone trying to shop Embree

Which, for those of you keeping score at home, is us.

by nevermoor on Jul 25, 2008 10:06 PM PDT up 0 recs

I'm surprised Phil Coke got so good

he is from my hometown, and I remember back in the day when he wasn’t that good…but with age comes maturity i guess…overall i like the deal for the Yankees, they get two proven players whereas the pirates get four “ifs”...

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--Beane

by DyeLongJustice on Jul 25, 2008 6:13 PM PDT 0 recs

Coke figures to be great but won't last very long

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by Nico on Jul 25, 2008 6:25 PM PDT up 0 recs

That's new coke.

Children, until we have taught them better, will be perfectly happy with a seasonal round of games in which conkers succeeds hopscotch.

by salb918 on Jul 25, 2008 6:36 PM PDT up 0 recs

Now seven percent smaller.

Seriously.

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by Ozzz on Jul 26, 2008 2:10 AM PDT up 0 recs

I thought it lasted ALL night!!%

Was Black Snake Moan a comedy or a drama?

by ohtobe21likehuston on Jul 25, 2008 7:00 PM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah, he might give the Yanks a bump

but he’s unlikely to help their bottom line.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jul 26, 2008 1:34 AM PDT up 0 recs

I bet a lot of GMs are wondering what happened.

I mean, they gotta be saying, how did they get both of those guys for just really one high upside prospect. I think this is a case where Pittsburg really made a mistake by dealing both players in one trade. Marte is not just some throw in, he is probably the best lefty on the trade market (sans Fuentes). If they wanted Tabata so badly, they should have just traded Nady straight up for him and then still gotten a legit piece for Marte.

The last two trades (this one and the deal for Rauch) seem to have gone against the team dealing away the MLB level talent. This does not bode well for us and getting what we want for Street, Duke, etc (unless it works for us because we end up keeping them).

by AsFanInLA on Jul 25, 2008 6:39 PM PDT 0 recs

Or because it decreases available options to dealing with us.

by nevermoor on Jul 25, 2008 10:07 PM PDT up 0 recs

Let's call it what it is...

..salary dump.

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by Ozzz on Jul 26, 2008 2:11 AM PDT up 0 recs

Yeah, that $3.35 million salary was crippling the team

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by PaulThomas on Jul 26, 2008 9:06 AM PDT up 0 recs

Well, it's the Pirates

That’s like 7% of their payroll.

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by iglew on Jul 26, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up 0 recs

kind of similar to harde/gaudin in the same deal

by Asfan4ever723 on Jul 25, 2008 6:42 PM PDT 0 recs

Jesus!

The A’s could have made a better offer than that for Nady/Bay…...wow!

I guess the Pirates are not being run very well, still.

by mrod on Jul 25, 2008 6:44 PM PDT 0 recs

We could have done better for Nady and Marte

Not a bad two to pickup together.

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by Nico on Jul 25, 2008 7:03 PM PDT up 0 recs

I was hoping the A's could pawn Embree off on the Yankees

http://bocropleasestopswingingatbadpitches.blogspot.com/

by thejd44 on Jul 25, 2008 6:48 PM PDT 0 recs

ducts on the pawn!

or, on Embree.

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by One won lost won on Jul 25, 2008 9:13 PM PDT up 0 recs

OK, so

isn’t this now like the 17th time Xavier Nady has been traded?

Funny how some guys manage to fall right into that category of good enough to be desired, yet not good enough to be untouchable.

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by PaulThomas on Jul 25, 2008 11:59 PM PDT 0 recs

To be fair...

the organizations for which Nady has toiled have a lot to do with his movement as well. Many of them have no use for talent.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jul 26, 2008 1:36 AM PDT up 0 recs

???

Nady was traded by the Padres to the Mets for Mike Cameron, because the Mets were looking to trade and unhappy Cameron after they signed Beltran.

After about half a season, the Mets traded him for Oliver Perez.

In both cases, he was traded for useful players. In the Padres case, they clearly got the better of the trade. Cameron is as good a hitter as Nady, and plays good D in CF. In the Mets case, they traded an OK corner OF for a young starting pitcher with upside, who’s been pretty good for them, the 36.7 IP in 2006 aside.

It isn’t as if Nady was dumped by the Padres, or the Mets, for crap.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Jul 26, 2008 9:32 AM PDT up 0 recs

an unhappy Cameron

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on Jul 26, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up 0 recs

You're right.

Guilty of selective memory on that one. I was reacting to the swipe at Nady without doing my homework.

"PECOTA can pretty much kiss my ass."-Nico

by jeepers on Jul 27, 2008 1:25 AM PDT up 0 recs

Beane stirring the pot?

For many years, Nady was a known Billy Beane favorite. My sense is that this year, ironically, now that Nady has become a hot commodity, Beane was less interested in him, not more.

"Dispatch knuckleheadedness with Bond-like aplomb." –74mk

by iglew on Jul 26, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up 0 recs

The Pittsburgh's package changed

This from the Yankees transactions:

7/26/08 Acquired OF Xavier Nady and LHP Damaso Marte from the Pirates in exchange for Minor League RHPs Jeff Karstens, Daniel McCutchen and Ross Ohlendorf and Minor League OF Jose Tabata.

Apparently once Tabata and Ohlendorf cleared their physicals, the Pirates had a list of players to choose from.

by RIPHalsey on Jul 26, 2008 12:27 PM PDT 0 recs